How to learn to drive in CMR 2?

Anyone know of any sites explaining how to properly drive (with a steering wheel (MS)) in Colin Mcrae Rally 2? It's no fun when you don't know how to properly drive in the game! :-( Thanks in advance for any help cp

"cp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dpgwa.164655$[email hidden]... > Anyone know of any sites explaining how to properly drive (with a steeringwheel (MS)) in Colin Mcrae Rally 2? It's no fun when you > don't know how to properly drive in the game! :-( Don't try to drive it like it's a real car, it won't respond like one. When entering a corner, turn the wheel and the car will turn. There is no such thing as understeer in CMR2, so nothing else is really needed to negotiate a corner. You might want to downshift a gear or two to get the best possible acceleration out of the corner, as the sliding/drifting will reduce your speed (I know it sounds incredible, but that behaviour is actually modelled!). Seriously speaking, have you set the steering to analog within the game? And you might want to disable the steering damping, it makes the steering feel sluggish... I think it's meant to be used with keyboard only. - JKo -

> > Don't try to drive it like it's a real car, it won't respond like one.When > entering a corner, turn the wheel and the car will turn. There is no such > thing as understeer in CMR2, so nothing else is really needed to negotiatea > corner. You might want to downshift a gear or two to get the best possible > acceleration out of the corner, as the sliding/drifting will reduce your > speed (I know it sounds incredible, but that behaviour is actually > modelled!). There *is* understeer in this game, if you try and turn in when the brakes are "locked", for example around the ornamental roundabout at Rally GB stage 3. Off the brakes though, I agree, it feels like there's no front a/r bar fitted! But watch the in-car on Channel 4 and you'll see that the works cars seem to manage this most of the time too. They rarely have understeery moments. The best technique is always to turn in on a trailing throttle, then the nose is very pointy and you get loads of oversteer. But the fastest times come when you resist the temptation to be miles sideways at every turn. Keeping it somewhere near straight often pays dividends.

That's all some good advice.. Although SOME basics of car driving (I'd assume) do come into play. I mean, you have to slow down for corners.. Once you get to a corner (the fake Nicki Grist (co driver) calls out corners as to what gear is recommended for them if I recall correctly). So if he says 3 left, slow down to about 3rd gear, turn into the corner, and the car will get sidways, apply the gas full and keep the car sideways and turn in the opposite direction to kepe the car from turning right around (although it's terribly hard to do that). Then you'll be facing straight into the corner exit, so drop into the next gear and off ya go. I think the key to beating the whole game is not getting in accidents. I remember some of those courses were pretty nasty, with LOTS of trees near the track and such. If you're really into rally, and have a wheel and such, I suggest ya check out "Rally Trophy". You'll learn how to better control a car, and when you go back to CMR2, you'll be wondering what the hell it's phsyics are based on :) Other good rally games are "Rally Masters" and "Mobil 1 Rally". Also, "Live for Speed" has some really nice rally cross, and a 4WD car is supposed to be coming out. Uhmm.. what else. CMR3 is coming out for PC soon, but from what I've seen, the physics are no different than CMR2, unless they've been updating them huge since it's console release (maybe that's why it's taken so long for the PC release?). Oh yah, the makers of "Rally Trophy" are also coming out with a rallycross game called "Flat Out" that is supposed to have miproved physics. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "JKo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XBmwa.2743$[email hidden]... > "cp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dpgwa.164655$[email hidden]... > > Anyone know of any sites explaining how to properly drive (with asteering > wheel (MS)) in Colin Mcrae Rally 2? It's no fun when you > > don't know how to properly drive in the game! :-( > > Don't try to drive it like it's a real car, it won't respond like one.When > entering a corner, turn the wheel and the car will turn. There is no such > thing as understeer in CMR2, so nothing else is really needed to negotiatea > corner. You might want to downshift a gear or two to get the best possible > acceleration out of the corner, as the sliding/drifting will reduce your > speed (I know it sounds incredible, but that behaviour is actually > modelled!). > > Seriously speaking, have you set the steering to analog within the game?And > you might want to disable the steering damping, it makes the steering feel > sluggish... I think it's meant to be used with keyboard only. > > - JKo - > >

Though its disheartening to hear that Rally Trophy has better physics than CMR2 , and that CMR3 won't be better! I have a P3 733 so I think I'll have to upgrade before I start worrying about the physics implementation. For my next computer, what's a good graphics card to get? Thanks! cp

I have a PIII 733, 384mb, GeForce2 video card. Rally Trophy works great, with almost all the eye candy turned on. hth, jeff "cp" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:BPuwa.325095$[email hidden]:

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> Though its disheartening to hear that Rally Trophy has better physics > than CMR2 , and that CMR3 won't be better! I have a P3 733 so I think > I'll have to upgrade before I start worrying about the physics > implementation. For my next computer, what's a good graphics card to > get? > > Thanks! > cp > > >

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Now that's a surprise, i have 512MB, same card, and the games plays crappy, any idea what setup could be wrong? > I have a PIII 733, 384mb, GeForce2 video card. Rally Trophy works great, > with almost all the eye candy turned on.

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> Now that's a surprise, i have 512MB, same card, and the games plays > crappy, any idea what setup could be wrong? >> I have a PIII 733, 384mb, GeForce2 video card. Rally Trophy works >> great, with almost all the eye candy turned on. > > >

One man's great is another's crappy. I have seen posts similar to this for years. WHen the Great person's framerate is quoted, it is often well below the threshold that many users will accept. HOWEVER...if the first fella thinks it's great, more power to him. dave henrie

I'm getting about 25+ FPS in N2002, and 30+ in GPL and Rally Trophy. Now granted, it does jump around depending on the track, number of cars (not a factor in Rally Trophy), and location on the track. As far as eye candy goes, i have it maxed out in GPL, almost maxed out in RT, and only about 60% of it turned on in N2002. I run N2002 and GPL in 800x600, RT in 1024x768. Of course I started with updated drivers. Then I went to: http://www.guru3d.com And grabbed RivaTuner. Then i read the GeForce FAQ and the myriad of how- to's on the various tweak sites to figure out how the video card driver needed to be tuned. Setting up the eye candy in the game was easy enough, but sorting through all the advanced driver settings in RivaTuner took quite a bit of time and reading. Anyway, for my tastes, anything around 25-30 FPS is plenty good. I can get them up to 50+ but the games look like crap. good luck, hth, jeff "cp" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:iwNwa.179456$[email hidden]: > Now that's a surprise, i have 512MB, same card, and the games plays > crappy, any idea what setup could be wrong? >> I have a PIII 733, 384mb, GeForce2 video card. Rally Trophy works >> great, with almost all the eye candy turned on. > > -- <---------------------------------------> When replying via email, please remove "nosp/-\m" from the address header <--------------------------------------->

For me, frame rate is good but the game itself is choppy. I will take a look at the site you linked to. Thanks!

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> I'm getting about 25+ FPS in N2002, and 30+ in GPL and Rally Trophy. Now > granted, it does jump around depending on the track, number of cars (not a > factor in Rally Trophy), and location on the track. As far as eye candy > goes, i have it maxed out in GPL, almost maxed out in RT, and only about 60% > of it turned on in N2002. I run N2002 and GPL in 800x600, RT in 1024x768. > > Of course I started with updated drivers. Then I went to: > > http://www.guru3d.com > > And grabbed RivaTuner. Then i read the GeForce FAQ and the myriad of how- > to's on the various tweak sites to figure out how the video card driver > needed to be tuned. Setting up the eye candy in the game was easy enough, but > sorting through all the advanced driver settings in RivaTuner took quite a > bit of time and reading. Anyway, for my tastes, anything around 25-30 FPS is > plenty good. I can get them up to 50+ but the games look like crap.

OH Right! Another CMR2 fan...... I understand how you feel. A year or 2 ago when I started playing CMR2 I was looking for help and guides to go faster and have more control. I found technique like Scandinavian Flick, handbrake turns but.....they did not really help. Most people just mention, speed control and line/position. Here is some of the things that works for me. Practice makes "Perfect?" Just drive it, as much as you can, spend as much time as you can. You will get the feel of the car, and learn the stages. CMR2 must have been THE ONE game that I played consistently for about 2 years. And I have not finished the advanced level championship. Ok, I suck. But I make progress. Take a break I found that if I continued to drive for an hour or 2, I started to make more mistakes. So..stop and watch your replays, and take it easy. It is all about concentration. At any give skill level, concentration is what kept you from making silly mistakes. Then if you get frustrated trying to break new records in one stage, try another stage or country with different terrain and surface, or try another car. You may be surprised to find that you can break new record when you try something new. Slow Down In real driving as welll as in the driving game, this is the golden rule. You slow down to go fast. It is a paradox that when you start feeling everything is going slow, maybe you are actually going smoother, faster with better control. If you are forever plowing through the turns, you are either turning in too late or/and are going too fast. Take the shortest line Although the speed may seem slower but you will be quicker if you can clip the apex. Get as close to the inside of the turn as possible. Again you need to control your speed and the attitude of the car. Listen to the co-driver It is pretty impossible to listen and drive at the same time. But if you do, you can prepare for what is ahead. CMR2 has very good pace-notes, it often give you distance and the turn. But I know I still have trouble thinking ahead. Learn to setup the car In general, stiffer/lower the car-> more grip better control. Gearing is important. .. There are info on the web Challenge yourself with different cars I took on Stratos early on. It teachs me about throttle control. Once you nail that, the beast is tamed. RWD cars are not as fast, but they are fun because you drive them with throttles more than with steering. With Mini, you need to reduce the force-feed back to make it driveable. I love the handling of Escort. Have fun! This really is the most important thing, isn't it? Richard ps: 5 hrs into Rally Trophy.....it is a totally different ball game.....

Thanks for the advice! I hope my wife will give me the time to practice all you suggest! :-) So how do you find Rally Trophy, as compared to CMR2? > I understand how you feel. A year or 2 ago when I started playing > CMR2 I was looking for help and guides to go faster and have more > control. I found technique like Scandinavian Flick, handbrake turns > but.....they did not really help. Most people just mention, speed > control and line/position. Here is some of the things that works for > me.