I purchased an NVIDIA TI 4200 with some horrible free 3d glasses. A friend
and I took advantage of a deal from Dell and each purchased identical PCs
3.0Ghz. He bought an ATI 9700 All In Wonder Pro which from what I read is
very similar in performance to my NVIDIA. Although our frame rates are
similar in games like NASCAR 2003,GPL, GTR2002, Morrowind and some first
person shooters, his picture quality seems so much cleaner and sharper. We
have traded monitors and gone over settings for some time always with the
same result. I finally tried his card on my system with default card
settings and the graphics are far better? Has anyone had experience with
these cards? Maybe there is a problem with my 4200? Thanks
I would say you mis-read. They have similar framerates but the 9700 pulls
away drastically when AA, Anis, and higher resolutions are enabled. This is
likely why the quality is so much nicer as well.
Mitch
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> I purchased an NVIDIA TI 4200 with some horrible free 3d glasses. A friend > and I took advantage of a deal from Dell and each purchased identical PCs > 3.0Ghz. He bought an ATI 9700 All In Wonder Pro which from what I read is > very similar in performance to my NVIDIA. Although our frame rates are > similar in games like NASCAR 2003,GPL, GTR2002, Morrowind and some first > person shooters, his picture quality seems so much cleaner and sharper. We > have traded monitors and gone over settings for some time always with the > same result. I finally tried his card on my system with default card > settings and the graphics are far better? Has anyone had experience with > these cards? Maybe there is a problem with my 4200? Thanks > >"Bustamove" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Nope that is what should be expected. The Ti4200 is a generation older
than the ATI 9700pro. The ATI has generally been well received as a
faster/better graphics video card. The 4200 was/is a good performer at
lower screen resolutions, but if you climb up to the highest resolutions,
the 4200 will seriously fall behind the 9700p. Similarly, the graphic
addons like FSAA and Anistrophic filtering KILL the framerate with a 4200,
while the 9700p also takes a hit in the fps department with
smoothvision(fsaa) enabled, it doesn't bog down nearly as much.
Finally the graphic output of the Nividia just doesn't equal the clear
graphic output of the current ATI cards. You will find some games,
however, that have been coded for Nivia(4200) products and the ATI cards
have had some pretty severe graphic flaws with those titles.(an example is
the just released Matrix PC game)
Right now 4200's cost just a tad over 100 US Dollars for the 128mb
versions...the 9700pro is over $300 for retail versions. You will also
find that the 9700pro is dx9 compatible while the 4200 only has hardware
that can properly use dx8. This is not to say the 4200 will not work with
dx9 games, it just won't work as well or as prettily as the newer cards.
Bottom line, keep the screen rez's down around middle ground and don't
turn on the graphic goodies. Remember, CPU speed also contributes to
frame-rate, and you both have pretty stout chips. If you just can't stand
the graphic quality of the 4200 after viewing his card's output, check with
Dell to see if they have a trade in policy.
dave henrie
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> I purchased an NVIDIA TI 4200 with some horrible free 3d glasses. A > friend and I took advantage of a deal from Dell and each purchased > identical PCs 3.0Ghz. He bought an ATI 9700 All In Wonder Pro which > from what I read is very similar in performance to my NVIDIA. Although > our frame rates are similar in games like NASCAR 2003,GPL, GTR2002, > Morrowind and some first person shooters, his picture quality seems so > much cleaner and sharper. We have traded monitors and gone over > settings for some time always with the same result. I finally tried > his card on my system with default card settings and the graphics are > far better? Has anyone had experience with these cards? Maybe there is > a problem with my 4200? Thanks > > >Thanks for the replies. We both are actually running at pretty low
resolutions because some games that are multiplayer have small text at
higher resolutions that we cannot read our names. We are running at
1152x864. In comparing the two his still looks much better in all the games
we play? Since he recently installed the latest ATI drivers his frame rate
in some games has increased dramatically over mine. Until now frame rate has
been pretty equal. I was worried about getting the ATI because of all the
past driver issues and lockups. He has had no troubles and said the drivers
install without a hitch. Should I risk a change?
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> dx9 games, it just won't work as well or as prettily as the newer cards.
> Bottom line, keep the screen rez's down around middle ground and don't
> turn on the graphic goodies. Remember, CPU speed also contributes to
> frame-rate, and you both have pretty stout chips. If you just can'tstand
> the graphic quality of the 4200 after viewing his card's output, checkwith
> Dell to see if they have a trade in policy.
> dave henrie
>
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> "Bustamove" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:Gpeza.59224$[email hidden]: > > > I purchased an NVIDIA TI 4200 with some horrible free 3d glasses. A > > friend and I took advantage of a deal from Dell and each purchased > > identical PCs 3.0Ghz. He bought an ATI 9700 All In Wonder Pro which > > from what I read is very similar in performance to my NVIDIA. Although > > our frame rates are similar in games like NASCAR 2003,GPL, GTR2002, > > Morrowind and some first person shooters, his picture quality seems so > > much cleaner and sharper. We have traded monitors and gone over > > settings for some time always with the same result. I finally tried > > his card on my system with default card settings and the graphics are > > far better? Has anyone had experience with these cards? Maybe there is > > a problem with my 4200? Thanks > > > > > > > > Nope that is what should be expected. The Ti4200 is a generation older > than the ATI 9700pro. The ATI has generally been well received as a > faster/better graphics video card. The 4200 was/is a good performer at > lower screen resolutions, but if you climb up to the highest resolutions, > the 4200 will seriously fall behind the 9700p. Similarly, the graphic > addons like FSAA and Anistrophic filtering KILL the framerate with a 4200, > while the 9700p also takes a hit in the fps department with > smoothvision(fsaa) enabled, it doesn't bog down nearly as much. > Finally the graphic output of the Nividia just doesn't equal the clear > graphic output of the current ATI cards. You will find some games, > however, that have been coded for Nivia(4200) products and the ATI cards > have had some pretty severe graphic flaws with those titles.(an example is > the just released Matrix PC game) > Right now 4200's cost just a tad over 100 US Dollars for the 128mb > versions...the 9700pro is over $300 for retail versions. You will also > find that the 9700pro is dx9 compatible while the 4200 only has hardware > that can properly use dx8. This is not to say the 4200 will not work>Should I risk a change?
I'm extremely happy with my 9700pro, its fantastic in GPL.
rms
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> I was worried about getting the ATI because of all the
> past driver issues and lockups. He has had no troubles and said the drivers
> install without a hitch. Should I risk a change?
>
I wouldn't hesitate to buy an ATI card now. They have been ahead of
nVidia for a while now. The Radeon 9800 is unsurpassed in all respects,
as was the 9700 before it. Ditch the nVidia card.
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I agree with Roger. I was wary about going to the 9700 as well but have been
happy ever since.
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> >Should I risk a change? > > I'm extremely happy with my 9700pro, its fantastic in GPL. > > rms > >
"Bustamove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I purchased an NVIDIA TI 4200 with some horrible free 3d glasses. Afriend
> and I took advantage of a deal from Dell and each purchased identicalPCs
> 3.0Ghz. He bought an ATI 9700 All In Wonder Pro which from what I readis
> very similar in performance to my NVIDIA. Although our frame rates are
> similar in games like NASCAR 2003,GPL, GTR2002, Morrowind and somefirst
> person shooters, his picture quality seems so much cleaner andsharper. We
> have traded monitors and gone over settings for some time always withthe
> same result. I finally tried his card on my system with default card
> settings and the graphics are far better? Has anyone had experiencewith
> these cards? Maybe there is a problem with my 4200? Thanks
AIW-9700 is comparable the GF FX, which is one gen AHEAD of GF4TI4200.
--KC
I got the AIW9700pro and all is great now! What a difference! Thanks for the
advice. Disappointed I wasted so much time.
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