My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box. He's
getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his
configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes
from good ol win98se. When I finally got a look at the IRQ settings, there
were 5 devices sharing IRQ 9. His 9500pro, his Santa Cruz sound and a
couple of usb ports and one other bugger(which I forgot to write down)
Now I KNOW I'm old fashion, but having so many critical devices all
sharing the same IRQ seems like asking for trouble. Most of the advice I
found seems to indicate win2k won't let you change irq settings without
some serious pain. I tried checking the bios and assigned IRQ 11 to PCI
slot 1. But when I rebooted, the ATI card was still assigned to IRQ 9. Is
there anyway to get around this problem??? Or is it even a problem at all?
dave (still using moldy old win98se) henrie
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> My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box.He's
> getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his
> configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes
>
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) forces all devices to a
same IRQ. This shouldn't be any problem, if all devices have good drivers.
My TV-card hadn't such drivers when I had w2k, so I had to change the
computer type to standard PC from device manager. (RISKY THING TO DO,
usually a reinstall with standard PC option is better).
If I had the problem you described, I would first update all drivers
(including the ones for motherboard chipsets) and then check temperatures.
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Mika Takala
win2k blows for gaming, up to xp or down to 98 would be best thing to do
"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote
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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > news:[email hidden]... > > My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box. > He's > > getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his > > configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes > > > > Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) forces all devices to a > same IRQ. This shouldn't be any problem, if all devices have good drivers. > > My TV-card hadn't such drivers when I had w2k, so I had to change the > computer type to standard PC from device manager. (RISKY THING TO DO, > usually a reinstall with standard PC option is better). > > If I had the problem you described, I would first update all drivers > (including the ones for motherboard chipsets) and then check temperatures. > > -- > Mika Takala > >"Ya OK" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:5g7Aa.260364$[email hidden]:
> win2k blows for gaming, up to xp or down to 98 would be best thing
> to do
>
> Not my call. He already bought win2k based on his own friends advice.
Heck I think dos should be brought back! LoL!
dave henrie
Ya OK wrote:
> win2k blows for gaming, up to xp or down to 98 would be best thing
> to do
Win 2000 works well for me.
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Ian P
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On Sun, 25 May 2003 17:42:25 GMT, "Ya OK" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>win2k blows for gaming, up to xp or down to 98 would be best thing to do
>
>
Guess you never used it, because its better than XP or 98 :p
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
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Just as a FYI, this is a great site (pop-ups non-withstanding) for
figuring out what games you might want to get running under Win2k:
http://www.ntcompatible.com/
MRSisson (A recent convert to Win2k Pro. Look ma, no crashes!)
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> My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box. He's > getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his > configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes > from good ol win98se. When I finally got a look at the IRQ settings, there > were 5 devices sharing IRQ 9. His 9500pro, his Santa Cruz sound and a > couple of usb ports and one other bugger(which I forgot to write down) > Now I KNOW I'm old fashion, but having so many critical devices all > sharing the same IRQ seems like asking for trouble. Most of the advice I > found seems to indicate win2k won't let you change irq settings without > some serious pain. I tried checking the bios and assigned IRQ 11 to PCI > slot 1. But when I rebooted, the ATI card was still assigned to IRQ 9. Is > there anyway to get around this problem??? Or is it even a problem at all? > dave (still using moldy old win98se) henrie >says...
Just as a FYI, this is a great site (pop-ups non-withstanding) for
figuring out what games you might want to get running under Win2k:
http://www.ntcompatible.com/
MRSisson (A recent convert to Win2k Pro. Look ma, no crashes!)
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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
A screenie of my irq assignments (Win2kPro):
http://members.rogers.com/mrsisson/Images/irq.png
You motherboard manual should have a chart showing what PCI slots are
shared. I think it is common for slots 1 and 5 (or last?) to be shared.
I have :
AGP - R9700
PCI 1 - empty
PCI 2 - NIC
PCI 3 - empty
PCI 4 - Audigy 2
PCI 5 & 6 - empty
Basically, I have it in my head not to use PCI slot 1 and last if I
don't have to. Probably all wrong and one day I will learn betterer.
MRSisson
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> My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box. He's > getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his > configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes > from good ol win98se. When I finally got a look at the IRQ settings, there > were 5 devices sharing IRQ 9. His 9500pro, his Santa Cruz sound and a > couple of usb ports and one other bugger(which I forgot to write down) > Now I KNOW I'm old fashion, but having so many critical devices all > sharing the same IRQ seems like asking for trouble. Most of the advice I > found seems to indicate win2k won't let you change irq settings without > some serious pain. I tried checking the bios and assigned IRQ 11 to PCI > slot 1. But when I rebooted, the ATI card was still assigned to IRQ 9. Is > there anyway to get around this problem??? Or is it even a problem at all? > dave (still using moldy old win98se) henrie >Michael R Sisson
Thanks, His motherboard is an Asus A7A and doesn't have a listing for
the AGP slot. Only the 5 pci slots. And it doesn't have an entry for
assigning an irq to the video card, which would be helpful I guess.
dave henrie
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> A screenie of my irq assignments (Win2kPro): > > http://members.rogers.com/mrsisson/Images/irq.png > > You motherboard manual should have a chart showing what PCI slots are > shared. I think it is common for slots 1 and 5 (or last?) to be > shared. > > I have : > > AGP - R9700 > > PCI 1 - empty > PCI 2 - NIC > PCI 3 - empty > PCI 4 - Audigy 2 > PCI 5 & 6 - empty > > Basically, I have it in my head not to use PCI slot 1 and last if I > don't have to. Probably all wrong and one day I will learn betterer. > > MRSisson >"Ya OK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5g7Aa.260364$[email hidden]...
> win2k blows for gaming, up to xp or down to 98 would be best thing to do
Obviously someone who knows.
Dave, Win2k works great for gaming, but I would suggest using the desktop version (Pro), not the server. I'm running it and
it's more stable, secure and responsive than non-NT versions.
Playing around with IRQs is probably the last thing you want to do (initially). Try to determine a pattern for the crashes...is
it when something is used? A certain program starts? If not, as someone else mentioned you may want to look at case cooling
problems. Remove the side of the case and let a fan run in there for awhile, see if that helps.
If it's a really infrequent crash, this can be a real pain, as you may take weeks to figure out what's causing it. If you've
tried the above steps, then start removing 1 card at a time and see if that helps.
It's not uncommon for an winXX machine to share multiple interrupts. Unlike DOS, Windows (usually) does so no problemo.
Cheers!
Jan
You can't manually assign IRQ's in Win2K (I've never seen XP, but I'm
betting it's the same for that OS). The primary problem with Win2K
is that it uses ACPI (and shares IRQ's), but that can be avoided by
installing the OS a certain way. A secondary problem is that certain
slots in the computer share IRQ's. You have to be aware of this and
exercise some caution when installing add-on cards (sound, NIC,
SCSI)).
Win2K is fine for gaming as long as you use your brain.
Interesting, I have almost EXACTLY the same problem, but oposite.
My machine is a Toshiba Satellite Pro, PIII-1G, 512Mb RAM, Trident
CyberBlade 16MB Video (crap I know, but on a notebook there's nothing I can
do). I have dual boot, Win98SE and Win2000 Server, both in English and on
different partitions of the harddrive. C: is 2000 and D: is 98SE, FAT32 on
both.
Now, 98SE locks very often, and I never could found how and when. It can be
while starting a program, browsing, scrolling with the mouse wheel, .... It
can't be temperature because lots of times it locks when have turned it on a
little earlier. Funny thing is that, 99% of the times it locks, it's on
Windows itself, almost never while I am running games.
By-the-way, 98SE has 5 different devices on IRQ 11, and I have 3 IRQ that
are NOT being used at all.
The 2000 server NEVER locks, even on gaming (both D3D and OpenGL). Actually,
the 2000 partition is better for gaming, and this has amazed me.
I have already installed all latest drivers, and done all updates on
Microsoft Update, boot without anything running on 98, disable almost
everything on startup (using msconfig) but, it still locks.
I use spybot 1.2, so I am quite sure I don't have any spyware running.
Anti-virus is up-to-dare (AVG) and runing a full scan reveal nothing.
Right now, I am out of ideas.
Brian
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> Michael R Sisson > > A screenie of my irq assignments (Win2kPro): > > > > http://members.rogers.com/mrsisson/Images/irq.png > > > > You motherboard manual should have a chart showing what PCI slots are > > shared. I think it is common for slots 1 and 5 (or last?) to be > > shared. > > > > I have : > > > > AGP - R9700 > > > > PCI 1 - empty > > PCI 2 - NIC > > PCI 3 - empty > > PCI 4 - Audigy 2 > > PCI 5 & 6 - empty > > > > Basically, I have it in my head not to use PCI slot 1 and last if I > > don't have to. Probably all wrong and one day I will learn betterer. > > > > MRSisson > > > > Thanks, His motherboard is an Asus A7A and doesn't have a listing for > the AGP slot. Only the 5 pci slots. And it doesn't have an entry for > assigning an irq to the video card, which would be helpful I guess. > > dave henrie"Brian"
Well the concensus is that Win2k can handle shared IRQ's but I'd really
try and get everything but the vid card off IRQ 11 for Win98se. Or dump it
entirely. I'm not a big fan of using two programs to do the same work. If
one is better than the other(and I don't have to PAY for a new one <VBG>)
then I would recomend running the more stable of the two.
dave(money?? what's that? Ask my wife.)henrie
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> > By-the-way, 98SE has 5 different devices on IRQ 11, and I have 3 IRQ > that are NOT being used at all. > > The 2000 server NEVER locks, even on gaming (both D3D and OpenGL). > Actually, the 2000 partition is better for gaming, and this has amazed > me. >Dave,
This is _completely_ normal and desired under Windows 2K & XP. This is the
ACPI HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) of these OS's at work.
You cannot assign IRQ's manually when running under the ACPI Layer.
If you _really_ want to do it (and I can't fathom why you would want to) you
have to reinstall Windows 2K and during the character mode setup invoke the
key combination so you can install as "Standard PC" instead of ACPI. You
lose a LOT of features if you do this, though.
Some will tell you that you only have to change the computer type in the
Device Manager to "Standard PC" to make this change, but they are wrong,
Wrong, WRONG! It might seem like it works but the HAL can only be truly
changed at Windows installation.
The only time the IRQ sharing should be a problem is if you have a piece of
hardware or Driver that is not fully ACPI compliant. I can't think of much
these days that isn't as long as the latest drivers are being used.
Random lockups are possibly heat related.
-Larry
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> My Son, the traitor, has decided to try Win2000 for his gaming box.He's
> getting some random lockups and I thought I'd try taking a look at his
> configs. Blech!! took me forever to figure out the tiny minor changes
> from good ol win98se. When I finally got a look at the IRQ settings,there
Is
> there anyway to get around this problem??? Or is it even a problem atall?
> dave (still using moldy old win98se) henrie
