Dave Henrie wrote:
Oh...shit! Now I actually have to think about upgrading my PC...
My interest in gaming lost out to watching DVDs quite a bit (no,
it's not the age, just a reduced threshold enduring buggy software).
But for a CART sim? Yeah!
>
>
> fingers crossed
all of them
> dave henrie
l8er
ronny
PC Gamer column sparks hope of a Papyrus CART sim
Dave Henrie relayed a report that PC Gamer said Papyrus would make a CART sim after leaving NASCAR, which excited ICR2 fans. Chad Rogers clarified that the columnist only argued Papyrus should do it. The long thread wandered into birthdays, Aussie V8 jokes and whether niche series like CART or F1 sell games compared with NASCAR.
rumour/speculationindustry/business
Automated summary.
A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of
this info??
"Finally a new CART PC game
In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus
(Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR,
they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004."
fingers crossed
dave henrie
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
(Dave Henrie) wrote:
> they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004
<pinches self>
No, it can't be... I must be dreaming. Mind you, it's the best birthday
present I've ever had *if* it's true! :o)
However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)
Andrew McP
> However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)
You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?!
Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :)
Bruce.
P.S.
I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or so
it seems).
I do hope that this report is not gossamer.
BK
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce
Kennewell) wrote:
> I'm 85 this year. :)
If it helps, I feel every day of 85! Hope you feel 40 :o)
Andrew McP
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
That would be fantastic, especially with all the road tracks there are in
CART these days :)
fingers crossed too,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
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> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of > this info?? > > "Finally a new CART PC game > > > In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > (Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > fingers crossed > dave henrie >
Andrew MacPherson wrote:
The other day I was 25.......:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (7 lines)
> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce > Kennewell) wrote: > > > I'm 85 this year. :) > > If it helps, I feel every day of 85! Hope you feel 40 :o)In article
<[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
"You're only as old as the woman you feel" - Groucho Marx
--
Ian Riches
Bedford, UK
Quoted text (8 lines)
> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce > Kennewell) wrote: > > > I'm 85 this year. :) > > If it helps, I feel every day of 85! Hope you feel 40 :o) > > Andrew McP
Bruce Kennewell wrote:
Damn Bruce, that's 3 posts from you in the past couple of days.....are
you making a comeback or something ?
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (12 lines)
> > > However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) > > You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?! > Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :) > > Bruce. > > P.S. > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or so > it seems). > I do hope that this report is not gossamer."Andrew MacPherson" wrote...
> <snip>
> However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)
Congrats anyway.
Jan.
=---
"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
so
> it seems).
> I do hope that this report is not gossamer.
>
> BK
>
>
My goodness everyone is old ;)
Ash "prime of his life" McConnell - 1977 a great vintage :))
http://www.siroccoracing.com
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> > However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) > > You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?! > Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :) > > Bruce. > > P.S. > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Oh.
My.
God.
I sent loads of emails to Papy and Cart trying to get them to do this, and
if this is true then I don't think I'm ever going to buy another racing sim
again (except ChampCar 2004/2005/2006 etc ;-). Codies can stick your gIRLy
'sim' up your ass, and nobody will even care if Racing Legends is ever
released! Maybe Geoff Crammond and the ISI guys could learn a bit about open
wheel racing simulators too (although they didn't really learn much from
GPL, did they?).
Not only that, but a decent version of Brands Hatch! And undoubtedly a DN
converter for the 'Ring!
I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearing about
Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it.
[ Quickly checks the date isn't April 1st ;-) ]
Nick
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> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of > this info?? > > "Finally a new CART PC game > > > In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > (Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > fingers crossed > dave henrie >Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!!
Steve
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)
> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of > this info?? > > "Finally a new CART PC game > > > In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > (Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > fingers crossed > dave henrie >
"Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote in message
news:3ed5f8ca$0$13686$[email hidden]...
> Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!!
> Steve
>
>
Ssssssh you'll get Goy started :))
I actually have watched a couple of V8 races recently (its on Motors TV in
the UK) and I wouldnt mind giving those beasties a go in my sim sometime in
the future - long way off of course.
Eeek, that was a stupid idea, goy will be emailing me every 2 mins....."is
it done yet? is it done yet? is it done yet?" :))
All the best,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
"Ashley McConnell" wrote in message
> Ssssssh you'll get Goy started :))
Actually, that was the idea:-))
I was just surprised he hadn't said it yet. Someone kick him and see if
he's still breathing!!
steve
GPL fanboy alert...
> Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!!
> Steve
I'll second that. I'd love to run around in the "green eyed monster". I
don't get to watch them now since Comcrap cable makes you go digital to get
Speed. Not to mention there internet is a joke. It has pretty much killed
online play for me, but thats another day.
MadDAWG
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
(Goy Larsen) wrote:
> The other day I was 25.......:-)
So was I! No idea where those 15 years went. I've even looked down the
back of the fridge, but no sign of them anywhere.
Andrew "too old to die young" McP
In article <1LkBa.26396$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Jan Verschueren) wrote:
> Congrats anyway.
Thanks Jan, though I'm not sure I did anything to deserve
congratulations. Mind you, I guess I *did* manage not to walk under a bus
in all these years... and I seem to have this 'remembering to breathe'
thing pretty much sorted out now ;o)
Andrew McP
In article <bb4odj$5tcoa$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
(Nick) wrote:
> Oh.
> My.
> God.
The idea sort of grows on you doesn't it. I've just spent several hours
messing about with hard disk backups in preparation for (hopefully) a
motherboard upgrade tomorrow. It's not been an easy ride, but all the way
through it I've been stewing over the idea of what could be possible with
the N2003 engine. ICR2 and a legendary flight sim called Tornado were
reviewed in the (1994?) magazine which persuaded me to buy my first PC.
Having already been inspired once this month by Half Life 2 I hardly dare
think how great a modern Papyrus Cart sim would be.
But it would be *wonderful* to have this to look forward to.
> I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearing about
> Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it.
that is *very* cruel :o)
Andrew McP
On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:37:50 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]>
wrote:
Which issue is this? Is it the sim racing column?
I'd be willing to pick up a copy just to check.
Jason
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> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of >this info?? > >"Finally a new CART PC game > > >In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus >(Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, >they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004."Quoted text (9 lines)
> >In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > >(Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > >they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > Which issue is this? Is it the sim racing column? > > I'd be willing to pick up a copy just to check. > > Jason"Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Yeah I remember Tornado...
I'm not really looking forward to HL2 because I thought the original HL was
a bit pants once you'd played it once. If it wasn't for CS I'd never even
touch it now. Deus Ex 2 is the one which has got me salivating.
> > I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearing about
> > Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it.
>
> that is *very* cruel :o)
I know, it hurts saying it, but the Wests have built up quite a
reputation...
Quoted text (11 lines)
> In article <bb4odj$5tcoa$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Nick) wrote: > > > Oh. > > My. > > God. > > ICR2 and a legendary flight sim called Tornado were > reviewed in the (1994?) magazine which persuaded me to buy my first PC. > Having already been inspired once this month by Half Life 2 I hardly dare > think how great a modern Papyrus Cart sim would be."Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:bb4uv4$5s6u6$[email hidden]...
> GPL fanboy alert...
Actually I'm quite a critic of the crappy GPL tyre model. More like Papy
fanboy alert... <G>
Andrew MacPherson wrote:
Maybe you left 'em on the mantelpiece and your wife threw 'em out?
That's what happened to mine!
Gerry
Quoted text (9 lines)
> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > >>The other day I was 25.......:-) > > > So was I! No idea where those 15 years went. I've even looked down the > back of the fridge, but no sign of them anywhere.
>
> > > I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearingabout
They must have done something terrible to you for all that built up rage?
Did you kill your cat? Did they poison your goldfish? Did they perhaps call
your mum some bad names? ;)
No, all they did was try to write a racing game - relax, you'll live on, as
will your household pets ;)
All the best,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
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> > > Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it. > > > > that is *very* cruel :o) > > I know, it hurts saying it, but the Wests have built up quite a > reputation... > >
> Did you kill your cat?
oops.....they :)
Hold on Ladies, it is the sim column and Mr. Manhood says it makes sense for
Papy to develop a CART sim. Nowhere does it say that they are working on
one at all. The CART rights are with another company until 2004 and Mr.
Manhood summarizes that they would probably come cheap right now. I too
hope they do, but I have heard nothing at all to lead me to believe they are
going to.
Chad
"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:bb571o$b5p$[email hidden]...
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> > > >In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > > >(Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > > >they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > > Which issue is this? Is it the sim racing column? > > > > I'd be willing to pick up a copy just to check. > > > > Jason > > Jason, > > Do it at once! :) > > Al the best, > Ash > http://www.siroccoracing.com > >Be still, my beating heart ....................
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)
> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of > this info?? > > "Finally a new CART PC game > > > In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > (Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > fingers crossed > dave henrie >On Thu, 29 May 2003 16:34:45 GMT, "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
I thought Papy was getting out of the PC business all together to
write games for consoles.
Brian Oster
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>Hold on Ladies, it is the sim column and Mr. Manhood says it makes sense for >Papy to develop a CART sim. Nowhere does it say that they are working on >one at all. The CART rights are with another company until 2004 and Mr. >Manhood summarizes that they would probably come cheap right now. I too >hope they do, but I have heard nothing at all to lead me to believe they are >going to. > >Chad >We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is watched by
about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.
They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.
David G Fisher
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)
> A fellow CART mod racer posted this tidbit....has anyone else heard of > this info?? > > "Finally a new CART PC game > > > In the latest issue of PC Gamer, a columnist stated that when Papyrus > (Indycar Racing, NASCAR Racing, etc.) end their license with NASCAR, > they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004." > > > fingers crossed > dave henrie >
"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:bb5b7g$de0$[email hidden]...
call
> your mum some bad names? ;)
>
> No, all they did was try to write a racing game - relax, you'll live on,as
> will your household pets ;)
Hey, it's all in good humour ;-)
There's no built up rage, and my opinion of them will change just as soon as
they release their first product.
I just wish they'd realise that the 'done when it's done' philosophy is a
perfect Software Engineering example of how not to set about writing
software.
Nick.
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> > > > > > > I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearing > about > > > > Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it. > > > > > > that is *very* cruel :o) > > > > I know, it hurts saying it, but the Wests have built up quite a > > reputation... > > > > > > They must have done something terrible to you for all that built up rage? > Did you kill your cat? Did they poison your goldfish? Did they perhapsGerry Aitken wrote in news:[email hidden]:
The clothes dryer ate 'em. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.
--
Darryl
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> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >> In article <[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] (Goy Larsen) wrote: >> >> >>>The other day I was 25.......:-) >> >> >> So was I! No idea where those 15 years went. I've even looked >> down the back of the fridge, but no sign of them anywhere. > > Maybe you left 'em on the mantelpiece and your wife threw 'em out? > That's what happened to mine! > > Gerry > >On Thu, 29 May 2003 16:34:45 GMT, "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Hold on Ladies, it is the sim column and Mr. Manhood says it makes sense for
>Papy to develop a CART sim. Nowhere does it say that they are working on
>one at all. The CART rights are with another company until 2004 and Mr.
>Manhood summarizes that they would probably come cheap right now. I too
>hope they do, but I have heard nothing at all to lead me to believe they are
>going to.
Ah, thanks. That's sort of what I had expected.
Personally, I expect the next Papy game to be some shitty GTA3/Mafia
knockoff that's released simultaneously for PC/PS2/Xbox.
Jason
Ashley McConnell wrote:
Aussie V8's !!!
Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ?
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > "Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote in message > news:3ed5f8ca$0$13686$[email hidden]... > > Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!! > > Steve > > > > > > Ssssssh you'll get Goy started :)) > > I actually have watched a couple of V8 races recently (its on Motors TV in > the UK) and I wouldnt mind giving those beasties a go in my sim sometime in > the future - long way off of course. > > Eeek, that was a stupid idea, goy will be emailing me every 2 mins....."is > it done yet? is it done yet? is it done yet?" :))
Steve Whitty wrote:
AussieV8's !!!
Sorry, was up late last night and been out barbequing, drinking beer and
watching my fav football team Vaalerenga giving Molde FK a lesson in
football today
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (8 lines)
> > "Ashley McConnell" wrote in message > > > Ssssssh you'll get Goy started :)) > > Actually, that was the idea:-)) > I was just surprised he hadn't said it yet. Someone kick him and see if > he's still breathing!!
Andrew MacPherson wrote:
I guess I should say that the other day I felt like 25....:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (8 lines)
> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > > The other day I was 25.......:-) > > So was I! No idea where those 15 years went. I've even looked down the > back of the fridge, but no sign of them anywhere.
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Sorry, was up late last night and been out barbequing, drinking beer and
> watching my fav football team Vaalerenga giving Molde FK a lesson in
> football today
>
Is Drillo still there? :-)
Maybe I'm hoping for too much, but if it's going to be Champcar Racing 2004
then it probably should be the full Brands Hatch rather than just the Indy
circuit. :o):o):o):o):o):o) Or maybe both, Brands Hatch Indy in PRD is
actually pretty fun...
"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:bb4odj$5tcoa$[email hidden]...
>
>
> Not only that, but a decent version of Brands Hatch! And undoubtedly a DN
> converter for the 'Ring!
>
Who has the rights now and why aren't they doing anything with it? Let's
find them and stone them!!
"Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:FEqBa.1063077$S_4.1071955@rwcrnsc53...
> Hold on Ladies, it is the sim column and Mr. Manhood says it makes sensefor
> Papy to develop a CART sim. Nowhere does it say that they are working on
> one at all. The CART rights are with another company until 2004 and Mr.
> Manhood summarizes that they would probably come cheap right now. I too
> hope they do, but I have heard nothing at all to lead me to believe theyare
> going to.
>
> Chad
"Mult-platform" gaming was the official statement IIRC. Meaning most likely
PC/PS2/Xbox.
"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.net> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>
> I thought Papy was getting out of the PC business all together to
> write games for consoles.
>
> Brian Oster
"Mult-platform" *** was the official statement IIRC. Meaning most likely
PC/PS2/Xbox.
Colin Harris wrote:
Nah....he's in charge of the national U19 squad these days, Kjetil
Rekdal is coaching now, as well as playing, busy guy, I'm not going to
ask how Stroemsgodset is doing.....
I never get used to someone from England knowing so much about Norway
:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (9 lines)
> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Sorry, was up late last night and been out barbequing, drinking beer and > > watching my fav football team Vaalerenga giving Molde FK a lesson in > > football today > > > > Is Drillo still there? :-)Quoted text (11 lines)
> I guess I should say that the other day I felt like 25....:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Was that the New York Central 4-4-0 you were driving down the backstretch? :)
Cheers!
Jan
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> > However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) > > You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?! > Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :) > > Bruce. > > P.S. > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or so > it seems). > I do hope that this report is not gossamer."Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
>
> The other day I was 25.......:-)
Define "day"... :)
Cheers!
Jan
> > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or so
> > it seems).
> > I do hope that this report is not gossamer.
>
> Damn Bruce, that's 3 posts from you in the past couple of days.....are
> you making a comeback or something ?
No, he finally remembered where rec.autos.simulators was... :)
He's been searching through those other alt. groups for the past 2 years trying to find us... :)
Cheers!
Jan
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
> I'd love to run around in the "green eyed monster".
The green eyed monster has been put to pasture. ;(
Cheers,
Rod.
says...
The green eyed monster has been put to pasture. ;(
Cheers,
Rod.
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>
> Nah....he's in charge of the national U19 squad these days, Kjetil
> Rekdal is coaching now,
Me no like him....scored against us, IIRC....
btw, did you know I'm getting married in October? And not to Janka? :-)
On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:51:45 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Who has the rights now and why aren't they doing anything with it? Let's
>find them and stone them!!
The last 2 companies that I'm aware of with CART rights were Papy
(1999-ish? I remember a press release sometime around then) and
Midway, who did stuff like Flag-To-Flag and CART Fury and probably
aren't willing to take a loss on another CART arcade racer.
Jason
Colin Harris wrote:
>
> Me no like him....scored against us, IIRC....
That he did...:-)
> btw, did you know I'm getting married in October? And not to Janka? :-)
No and no.....wow, that's a surprise, you and her had been together for
a long time if memory serves me right, well, congrats and all the best
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Jan Kohl wrote:
Sounds about right....he did find his way around BullRun though, course,
that was a few years ago
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > > > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or so > > > it seems). > > > I do hope that this report is not gossamer. > > > > Damn Bruce, that's 3 posts from you in the past couple of days.....are > > you making a comeback or something ? > > No, he finally remembered where rec.autos.simulators was... :) > > He's been searching through those other alt. groups for the past 2 years trying to find us... :)
Jan Kohl wrote:
>
>
> In that case, according to your sig, the other day you had a 25 year old of the female type in your Opel.
>
> I could be really rude here, but I'm going to see you in a few weeks, so I'd better not... ;)
Mhm, especially since I still feel I haven't thanked you properly for
posting pics of a certain rental car....
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:bb5v4k$646j2$[email hidden]:
> Maybe I'm hoping for too much, but if it's going to be Champcar Racing
> 2004 then it probably should be the full Brands Hatch rather than just
> the Indy circuit. :o):o):o):o):o):o) Or maybe both, Brands Hatch
> Indy in PRD is actually pretty fun...
> The Brands INDY circuit is a perfect Super Touring track. Fast and
short with lots of room for bumping. But the Champcars need the open
spaces. :) I am somewhat worried tho, cuz I've heard they are getting rid
of the Dingle Dell turn...That is one of TV's greatest shots...(besides the
curb camera at the top of KNOCKHILL!!)
dave henrie
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:
> We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is
> watched by about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.
>
> They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.
>
> David G Fisher
Agreed about the TV audience. The numbers are quite low. I posted a
week or so ago, something I read in a Sports magazine, that in the USA all
of the openwheel broadcasts to date for 2003, F1, CART, and irl combined,
didn't equal the ratings Nascar got for their Saturday night Richmond race.
However, there are tons of live audiences. 600,000 paying
Canadiens,(Toronto & Vancouver 3 day ticket totals) Similar numbers in
Mexico for those two races. Big numbers at Long Beach, Portland. Road
America was down last year, Mid Ohio was about Average. I'm curious to see
how the Saturday Milwaukee crowd will be since Ovals are Cart's weakest
ticket seller. Will Cleveland Rock under the lights? Will Mario
Andretti's name bring back the Road America fans?
CART events at Long Beach and Portland Oregon(pronounced Ore uh gone)
<not Or re GUN> were the single biggest fan attendance events for those
states...(just like that race in Indianaopolis is)
World Wide F1 buries even Nascar, but here in the states, the fender
crowd is king.
dave henrie
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> > "Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote in message > > news:3ed5f8ca$0$13686$[email hidden]... > > > Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!! > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Ssssssh you'll get Goy started :)) > > > > I actually have watched a couple of V8 races recently (its on Motors TV in > > the UK) and I wouldnt mind giving those beasties a go in my sim sometime in > > the future - long way off of course. > > > > Eeek, that was a stupid idea, goy will be emailing me every 2 mins....."is > > it done yet? is it done yet? is it done yet?" :)) > > Aussie V8's !!! > > Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ? >"Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7DyBa.2426$[email hidden]...
> > Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ?
> >
> just don't tell who won ;-)
Geez, see what you all have done? Left the darn door open again... ;]
Cheers!
Jan
Steve Whitty wrote:
> Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!!
No, no... What we want is GPL 2, haven't you heard? ;)
Regards, Ruud
(PS. Here in Europe, CART sadly gets virtually no tv coverage at all, so
I doubt it'd be a succes outside the States)
Andrew MacPherson wrote:
> congratulations. Mind you, I guess I *did* manage not to walk under a bus
> in all these years... and I seem to have this 'remembering to breathe'
> thing pretty much sorted out now ;o)
I bet you're not able to keep that one up when coming up to Masta at
speed ;)
Regards, Ruud
Goy Larsen wrote:
> I never get used to someone from England knowing so much about Norway
Um, what's Norway?
Regards, Rudy
LOL! :-)
Knock it off, you two reprobates.
One day you'll be as old as I am, you know!
I have always remained loyal to GPL and also the NASCAR series of releases.
Both products have been fixtures on my series of PC's.
But because I don't race on-line I sort of drifted away from RAS because I
found that a lot of the subject matter was (is) multiplayer-orientated.
But now that the classic GPL tracks such as Spa, Nurburgring and Rouen (and
hopefully some of the add-ons in the mould of Rheims, Bathurst et al) can be
enjoyed within the excellent of N2003, I am looking forward to more
entertainment from GPL.
Who would have dreamed, back in 1998, that a computer sim such as GPL could
have such a long and honorable life?
I certainly didn't.
Bruce
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>
>
> Jan Kohl wrote:
> >
> > > > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902(or so
trying to find us... :)
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> > > > it seems). > > > > I do hope that this report is not gossamer. > > > > > > Damn Bruce, that's 3 posts from you in the past couple of days.....are > > > you making a comeback or something ? > > > > No, he finally remembered where rec.autos.simulators was... :) > > > > He's been searching through those other alt. groups for the past 2 yearsQuoted text (13 lines)
> > Sounds about right....he did find his way around BullRun though, course, > that was a few years ago > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--
"Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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nah. then the knockers couldn't say "but its no gpl" :o))
steve
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> Steve Whitty wrote: > > > Sigh...another open wheeler. we want AUSSIE V8'S!!!! > > > > No, no... What we want is GPL 2, haven't you heard? ;) > > > Regards, Ruud >85 and a gamer!! That's great!!!
Now I can tell my wife to quit laughing at me for playing these games and
I'm at spring chicken age of 38!!!
Devon in Canada
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so
> it seems).
> I do hope that this report is not gossamer.
>
> BK
>
>
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> > However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) > > You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?! > Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :) > > Bruce. > > P.S. > I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902 (or
"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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rage?
as
> they release their first product.
>
> I just wish they'd realise that the 'done when it's done' philosophy is a
> perfect Software Engineering example of how not to set about writing
> software.
Fair enough :)
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> > "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bb5b7g$de0$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > I haven't been this excited since those few hours between hearing > > about > > > > > Racing Legends and realising that the Wests were doing it. > > > > > > > > that is *very* cruel :o) > > > > > > I know, it hurts saying it, but the Wests have built up quite a > > > reputation... > > > > > > > > > > They must have done something terrible to you for all that built upQuoted text (11 lines)
> > Did you kill your cat? Did they poison your goldfish? Did they perhaps > call > > your mum some bad names? ;) > > > > No, all they did was try to write a racing game - relax, you'll live on, > as > > will your household pets ;) > > Hey, it's all in good humour ;-) > > There's no built up rage, and my opinion of them will change just as soon
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don't you hate it when that happens?! :-P
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> "Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7DyBa.2426$[email hidden]... > > > Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ? > > > > > just don't tell who won ;-) > > Geez, see what you all have done? Left the darn door open again... ;] >That's what I meant when I said it. I assumed that it was going to be
ChampCar 2004, which will include the Brands GP circuit. That little Indy
track is a bit like whizzing on a Picasso as far as I'm concerned ;-)
"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe I'm hoping for too much, but if it's going to be Champcar Racing2004
DN
> > converter for the 'Ring!
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> then it probably should be the full Brands Hatch rather than just the Indy > circuit. :o):o):o):o):o):o) Or maybe both, Brands Hatch Indy in PRD is > actually pretty fun... > > "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bb4odj$5tcoa$[email hidden]... > > Not only that, but a decent version of Brands Hatch! And undoubtedly a>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I have been awaiting an "Indycar Racing III" from Papyrus since 1902
<waves at the old fart> ;-D
A comeback, from Bruce?
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>"Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote
> "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > No, no... What we want is GPL 2, haven't you heard? ;)
>
> nah. then the knockers couldn't say "but its no gpl" :o))
Teheheh that's a classic. I just can imagine one of us saying "GPL2... pff
it's no gpl!!!"
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>"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Personally, I expect the next Papy game to be some shitty GTA3/Mafia
> knockoff that's released simultaneously for PC/PS2/Xbox.
Yes yes.. a "fresh" and new idea so they can "reach out" for the market.
<roll eyes>
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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is watchedby
> about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.
Sorry you cannot talk about the IRL here <snickers>
Let's see, for CHAMP races the Grandstands for the race are pretty high, and
the world-wide audience is nothing to spit on. How many people watch the IRL
outside of America? yeah that's what I thought...
But let's cut the political crap here. What REALLY matters to us? It's the
racing. The _motorsport_. Political crap doesn't affect anything about us,
behind our wheels, racing on the screen. What we want is something that is
fun to drive, challenging. I'll take a CART sim. They are cars that are
challenging, superior in technology, and the tracks are really great. It's
also a much more challenging multiplayer experience. Nothing above applies
to the IRL.
High-powered open-wheel road course cars
vs.
Medium-powered open wheel oval cars
Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montr�al, Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio,
Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc...
vs.
Indianapolis
Motegi
Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige)
Pikes Peak
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Ruud Dingemans wrote:
>
> Goy Larsen wrote:
>
> > I never get used to someone from England knowing so much about Norway
>
> Um, what's Norway?
A state in the US of A probably, the way our Gov acts they've probably
already signed away our sovereignity (sp) but haven't told us yet, I
can't think of any other explanation
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART iswatched
and
> the world-wide audience is nothing to spit on. How many people watch theIRL
> outside of America? yeah that's what I thought...
>
>
>
> But let's cut the political crap here. What REALLY matters to us? It'sthe
> racing. The _motorsport_. Political crap doesn't affect anything aboutus,
> behind our wheels, racing on the screen. What we want is something thatis
> fun to drive, challenging. I'll take a CART sim. They are cars that are
> challenging, superior in technology, and the tracks are really great.It's
> also a much more challenging multiplayer experience. Nothing aboveapplies
I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. I just seriously doubted the rumors were
true because I don't think CART will help sell any copies.
As for the IRL, I can't force myself to watch a race. :-) I don't watch CART
anymore either though. I used to up until about two years ago.
David G Fisher
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> to the IRL. > > > High-powered open-wheel road course cars > vs. > Medium-powered open wheel oval cars > > Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montr�al, Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio, > Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc... > vs. > Indianapolis > Motegi > Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige) > Pikes Peak >LOL............ Very nice
- Paul
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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Goy Larsen) wrote: > > > The other day I was 25.......:-) > > So was I! No idea where those 15 years went. I've even looked down the > back of the fridge, but no sign of them anywhere. > > Andrew "too old to die young" McP
Sue wrote:
.....:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
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> > "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4qABa.2845$[email hidden]... > > "Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7DyBa.2426$[email hidden]... > > > > Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ? > > > > > > > just don't tell who won ;-) > > > > Geez, see what you all have done? Left the darn door open again... ;] > > > don't you hate it when that happens?! :-P
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
was wondering when you would notice Goy ;-)
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> > > Sue wrote: > > > > "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4qABa.2845$[email hidden]... > > > "Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7DyBa.2426$[email hidden]... > > > > > Oh right, bit late there I guess, btw, is it done yet ? > > > > > > > > > just don't tell who won ;-) > > > > > > Geez, see what you all have done? Left the darn door open again... ;] > > > > > don't you hate it when that happens?! :-P > > .....:-) > >In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is watched by
>about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.
>
>They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.
I think there are still enough CART/IRL fans that it would sell very well.
Some of just like open wheel racing, and don't care if it's IRL or CART...
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>I'll second that. I'd love to run around in the "green eyed monster". I
>don't get to watch them now since Comcrap cable makes you go digital to get
>Speed.
No it doesn't - I still get SpeedChannel, and I don't have digital...
(Comcast)
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In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell"
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>> However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o)
>
>You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?!
>Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :)
>
Bruce! Good to see you're still around, old man... :-)
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S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...
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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(Dave Henrie) wrote: > >> they will develop a new CART computer sim game for 2004 > ><pinches self> > >No, it can't be... I must be dreaming. Mind you, it's the best birthday >present I've ever had *if* it's true! :o) > >However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) >Thanks, Eldred.
What is wonderful after so many years of RAS is to see familiar names - the
same ones who were here back in 1998/99, after GPL was released.
Says a lot for the quality of >>some<< of the sims that we've seen over that
time. :)
Bruce.
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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> However it still doesn't make up for being <whisper>40</whisper> ;o) > > > >You young whipper-snapper! FORTY?! > >Pffft and pshaw to you; I'm 85 this year. :) > > > > Bruce! Good to see you're still around, old man... :-) > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsDitto - except for modern F1, which I just can't stomach.
In fact, I'd much rather watch a CART (ChampCar) or IRL race than watch
Bernie's Flying Circus and listen to the machine-gun-like, statistics-laden
delivery of the ITV commentators.
Bruce.
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> Some of just like open wheel racing, and don't care if it's IRL or CART...
EldredP wrote:
> S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...
What? You've actually gone *back up*? Last I heard you were -1.9!
(Only Eldred...!)
Regards, Ruud
Sue wrote:
>
> was wondering when you would notice Goy ;-)
.... :-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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http://www.theuspits.com
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> Ditto - except for modern F1, which I just can't stomach.
> In fact, I'd much rather watch a CART (ChampCar) or IRL race than watch
> Bernie's Flying Circus and listen to the machine-gun-like,statistics-laden
> delivery of the ITV commentators.
>
Hehe, if you think that's bad, you should hear ITV's football (soccer)
commentary...
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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > High-powered open-wheel road course cars > > vs. > > Medium-powered open wheel oval cars > > > > Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montr�al, Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio, > > Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc... > > vs. > > Indianapolis > > Motegi > > Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige) > > Pikes Peak > > > > I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. I just seriously doubted the rumors
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mid-Ohio,
Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a game with
"Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average public than
"CART". Everyone has at least heard of "Indy", "Formula 1", and "NASCAR".
They might not know much about those series (Americans don't watch F1 at
all, but still recognize the name), but they recognize the names. Very few
people will say they've heard of CART.
Racing fans would probably be inclined to by either game equally.
David G Fisher
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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > High-powered open-wheel road course cars > > > vs. > > > Medium-powered open wheel oval cars > > > > > > Tracks like Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, Montr�al, Elkhart Lake,Quoted text (13 lines)
> > > Surfer's Paradise, Long Beach, etc... > > > vs. > > > Indianapolis > > > Motegi > > > Kentucky Speedway (ooooh the prestige) > > > Pikes Peak > > > > > > > I'm not saying I wouldn't like it. I just seriously doubted the rumors > were > > true because I don't think CART will help sell any copies. > > Well, would the IRL help sell any copies?Whoa there, David! :)
That's a bit of a broad and sweeping statement, isn't it?
A bit like saying that Britons don't watch NFL, or Canadians have no
interest in watching cricket.
You can't throw the >entire< population into the one basket.
Bruce.
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>.... (Americans don't watch F1 at all, but still recognize the name),......
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[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:
> S'ok, I'll be 40 in a little more than a week...
Plenty of time for us to bake you a cake then ;o) And don't worry, being
40 only hurts a little for the first few hours... then you realise it's
only ten years till fifty and the agony *really* kicks in!
Wonder if it's too late to start thinking about a pension? :o)
Andrew "work till you drop" McP
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> Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a gamewith
> "Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average publicthan
> "CART". Everyone has at least heard of "Indy", "Formula 1", and "NASCAR".
> They might not know much about those series (Americans don't watch F1 at
> all, but still recognize the name), but they recognize the names. Very few
> people will say they've heard of CART.
I'm English, and I'm a big CART fan, big NFL fan too. Why? Dunno. It just
kinda happened...
Being such a petrolhead, I watch any motorsport I can, but NASCAR and the
IRL really do push me the most to turn over. Papy have got me interested in
NASCAR, but now that has stopped, I doubt I'll be watching any more NASCAR
races. If they made an IRL sim, I wouldn't watch the IRL, except the IRL 500
of course, but I already watch all the CART I can, so a Papy CART sim would
be unbelievable.
By the way, if you find somebody who has heard of Indy but not CART in the
UK, it only takes a second to tell them that what they think of as Indycars
are in fact ChampCars, and the *new* Indycars are just some poor little rich
guys' big joke. Outside the US, you just explain that ChampCars turn right
and they will be instantly prefer CART over the IRL :-)
Dave Henrie wrote:
I was at the Milwaukee race last night and, I would estimate the
grandstands were about 3/4 full. (I'm not sure what the body count was,
I don't know the capacity of the new grandstands.) That was pretty
impressive considering the temperature at the start of the race was
around 50F with a stiff wind. (I was freezing my ass off!) I'm
definately going to the Road America race when the circus comes back to
town :-)
Gary
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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is > > watched by about 3 people and is about to drop to 2. > > > > They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell. > > > > David G Fisher > > Agreed about the TV audience. The numbers are quite low. I posted a > week or so ago, something I read in a Sports magazine, that in the USA all > of the openwheel broadcasts to date for 2003, F1, CART, and irl combined, > didn't equal the ratings Nascar got for their Saturday night Richmond race. > However, there are tons of live audiences. 600,000 paying > Canadiens,(Toronto & Vancouver 3 day ticket totals) Similar numbers in > Mexico for those two races. Big numbers at Long Beach, Portland. Road > America was down last year, Mid Ohio was about Average. I'm curious to see > how the Saturday Milwaukee crowd will be since Ovals are Cart's weakest > ticket seller. Will Cleveland Rock under the lights? Will Mario > Andretti's name bring back the Road America fans? > CART events at Long Beach and Portland Oregon(pronounced Ore uh gone) > <not Or re GUN> were the single biggest fan attendance events for those > states...(just like that race in Indianaopolis is) > World Wide F1 buries even Nascar, but here in the states, the fender > crowd is king. > > dave henrieQuoted text (25 lines)
> > We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is > > watched by about 3 people and is about to drop to 2. > > They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell. > > David G Fisher > Agreed about the TV audience. The numbers are quite low. I posted a > week or so ago, something I read in a Sports magazine, that in the USA all > of the openwheel broadcasts to date for 2003, F1, CART, and irl combined, > didn't equal the ratings Nascar got for their Saturday night Richmond race. > However, there are tons of live audiences. 600,000 paying > Canadiens,(Toronto & Vancouver 3 day ticket totals) Similar numbers in > Mexico for those two races. Big numbers at Long Beach, Portland. Road > America was down last year, Mid Ohio was about Average. I'm curious to see > how the Saturday Milwaukee crowd will be since Ovals are Cart's weakest > ticket seller. Will Cleveland Rock under the lights? Will Mario > Andretti's name bring back the Road America fans? > CART events at Long Beach and Portland Oregon(pronounced Ore uh gone) > <not Or re GUN> were the single biggest fan attendance events for those > states...(just like that race in Indianaopolis is) > World Wide F1 buries even Nascar, but here in the states, the fender > crowd is king. > dave henrie
ymenard wrote:
but could you imagine the arguements after saying its no gpl. Whether
technically it was gpl or not.;-)
steve
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>>"Steve Whitty" <stev_mazz at optusnet dot com dot au> wrote >>"Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >>>No, no... What we want is GPL 2, haven't you heard? ;) >> >> nah. then the knockers couldn't say "but its no gpl" :o)) > > > > > Teheheh that's a classic. I just can imagine one of us saying "GPL2... pff > it's no gpl!!!"The average television audience in the U.S. for an F1 race is about 200,000
out of 300 million + worldwide. NASCAR averages about 13 million per race,
and most are Americans.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here in the U.S who watches F1. :-)
David G Fisher
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> Whoa there, David! :) > That's a bit of a broad and sweeping statement, isn't it? > A bit like saying that Britons don't watch NFL, or Canadians have no > interest in watching cricket. > You can't throw the >entire< population into the one basket. > > Bruce. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >.... (Americans don't watch F1 at all, but still recognize theOh no, there's at least a dozen of us. ;o)
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> Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here in the U.S who watches F1. :-)
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"David G Fisher" wrote:
> The average television audience in the U.S. for an F1 race is about200,000
> out of 300 million + worldwide. NASCAR averages about 13 million perrace,
> and most are Americans.
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> Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here in the U.S who watches F1.:-)
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> David G Fisher
All cheering for JPM no doubt :)
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>David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a gamewith
> "Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average publicthan
> "CART".
But then again, who cares about the average public? And you really think
those people are what Papy goes for their market? It's the people whom
racing simulations are targeted for? How do you explain the low sales of
the last IRL racing game?
People who "barely" know from memory that the term "indy" is related to
motorsports. Yeah that's the future for racing sims!!!! Those are the
people Papy must market their serious/hardcore simulation <roll eyes>
> Racing fans would probably be inclined to by either game equally.
I just told you above that CART is superior for us, driving the cars, in
every aspects of the simulation. Oh perhaps only driving the Indy could be
a slight (slight) advantage to the IRL. CART cars are much tougher to
master, they race on much more interesting tracks and the human vs. human
multiplayer experience would be superior.
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"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Nope there is a bar here in town that opens up at 4am so a dozen or so
Spokanites can watch the race and smoke and eat together. I don't think
the bar can serve the go-juice that early tho...
dave henrie
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> The average television audience in the U.S. for an F1 race is about > 200,000 out of 300 million + worldwide. NASCAR averages about 13 > million per race, and most are Americans. > > Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here in the U.S who watches F1. > :-) > > David G Fisher >
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I'm 100% positive they kept doing the NASCAR series year after year because
it sold to the average public and made them money. A huge chunk of those
copies were bought by people who walked into a store and saw a NASCAR car on
the box and thought it looked like fun. Nothing to do with being a sim head.
They loaded it up on their computer, it ran like crap because they didn't
have the hardware and wheel, and then they forgot about it.
GPL2 never happened because it didn't click with the general public at all.
David G Fisher
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> >David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a game > with > > "Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average public > than > > "CART". > > But then again, who cares about the average public? And you really think > those people are what Papy goes for their market? It's the people whom > racing simulations are targeted for?"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I agree with that 99%. I'd be willing to bet tho, that a large portion
of the purchasers were family members....."Daddy loves Nascar, lets get him
that game for his 'puter...."
Same results tho.. Myst didn't become the first HUGE selling cdrom game
because it had a hardcore loyal following. The Sims don't sell zillions of
copies because of the clans. It's the average joe or josie that doesn't
know squat about computers that makes biggest games huge.
dave henrie
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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_ewCa.919$[email hidden]... >> >David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > Like I said in my other post, I have 0 interest in the IRL, but a >> > game >> with >> > "Indy" splashed on the cover will click with more of the average >> > public >> than >> > "CART". >> >> But then again, who cares about the average public? And you really >> think those people are what Papy goes for their market? It's the >> people whom racing simulations are targeted for? > > I'm 100% positive they kept doing the NASCAR series year after year > because it sold to the average public and made them money. A huge > chunk of those copies were bought by people who walked into a store > and saw a NASCAR car on the box and thought it looked like fun. > Nothing to do with being a sim head. They loaded it up on their > computer, it ran like crap because they didn't have the hardware and > wheel, and then they forgot about it. > > GPL2 never happened because it didn't click with the general public at > all. > > David G FisherOn Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:49:52 -0400, "ymenard"
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> And you really think
>those people are what Papy goes for their market?
Yes.
Otherwise we'd have GPL 2, a slew of CART games, etc etc.
Jason
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> We all should be asking ourselves why would they do this? CART is watched by
> about 3 people and is about to drop to 2.
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> They either are stupid, or just love to make games that don't sell.
Good games sell. great games sell well.
What is the US audience for Rally Racing? How about for GT series
contests in real life? Yet what are the big names in those sports on
consoles/computers? Codemasters Colin McRae and Gran Turismo 3.
You make a great game that provides the adrenalin rush that the masses
want while providing the (at least optional) realism the sim fans want
and you'll sell well. The reason CART games haven't done particularly
well is because the games suck, and the reviews all pointed out how
bad they suck, not because of the license. (that's not to discount
the value of a great/popular license, just saying that as far as CART
has concerned, we don't have enough data to prove that a great CART
game won't sell, because no one has made one in years.)
Randy
Randy Magruder wrote:
> Good games sell. great games sell well.
<phbbttfff> Better read up on the history of GPL mate ;)
Regards, Ruud
