OT: "I noticed I was upside down."

Those IRL boys sure are clever. "I was just behind Tony, and we were running together," Castroneves said. "All of sudden, Tony went high. He was in a situation where he couldn't see my hands. When he slowed down, my car hit his left-rear wheel. I noticed I was upside down." Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. Nick

Nick wrote: > Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. ...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) Nice troll. Herr Henrie would be proud! :-D -jde

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]:

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> Nick wrote: > >> Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. > > ...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) > > Nice troll. Herr Henrie would be proud! :-D > > -jde >

my work is done now....if I have corrupted just one person...then I have acheived something positive :) Anybody notice what the pace car was this year? I can kill two birds with one stone. Castroneves following a corvette at indy. I also noticed that Penske wasn't so sure which chassis was superior, he had one driver in a Dallara and one in a Geforce. Maybe next year he can have Goodyears on the inside and Bridgestones on the outside. dave(using 5lb test with light drag)henrie

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]... > Nick wrote: > > Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. > ...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) Simulated or real ???

Nick wrote:

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> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]... > >>Nick wrote: >> >>>Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. >> >>...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) > > > Simulated or real ???

I'm pretty sure neither of us have won the real thing, unlike Helio. ;-) In reality, there's no way you (or any of us who weren't there) would know the circumstances from a press release or news story. Crap happens, even to the highly esteemed CART drivers. As such, it's pretty silly to resort to the tired chest thumping and "CART rules" rhetoric. -jde

Dave Henrie wrote: > Anybody notice what the pace car was this > year? I can kill two birds with one stone. Castroneves following a > corvette at indy. I did, and it wasn't a Corvette. :-D It was the SSR, GM's latest answer to a question not many people were asking. > I also noticed that Penske wasn't so sure which chassis > was superior, he had one driver in a Dallara and one in a Geforce. Roger's never been afraid to explore his options to find the best combination. That's why he mothballed his CART chassis program to run Reynards. The quest for the unfair advantage lives on. He ran 1-2 at Indy, so his "indecision" seemed to work out well. ;-) Maybe > next year he can have Goodyears on the inside and Bridgestones on the > outside. Ooh, oohh...what about a block with 3 Toyota cylinders, 3 Honda cylinders, and 2 Chevy cylinders? :-p -jde

"J.D. Ellis" < > > Ooh, oohh...what about a block with 3 Toyota cylinders, 3 Honda > cylinders, and 2 Chevy cylinders? :-p > > -jde > Now yer thinkin' JD! I'll ring Mr P up and personally recomend you to him as a creative race strategist. Ya know, in a very stretched out way, Penske has already done that, they have a Toyota Block which was assembled by Illmor which used race at Indy with the Chevy badge and now they build Daimler Chrysler/Mercedes blocks for F1. hmmmmmmm My apologies for messin' up the vette pacecar, I saw a-bit of the pre- race parade and all the drivers were in 50th Anniversary Vettes. So I assumed it was also the pace car...mybad...still I'm sure I can spin this somehow to demean the track owner and GM. hehehee. dave henrie

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3eddfe48$0$3909$[email hidden]:

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> Nick wrote: >> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]... >> >>>Nick wrote: >>> >>>>Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. >>> >>>...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) >> >> >> Simulated or real ??? > > I'm pretty sure neither of us have won the real thing, unlike Helio. ;-)

Yeah but he's only REALLY won it once. :)

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> > In reality, there's no way you (or any of us who weren't there) would > know the circumstances from a press release or news story. Crap > happens, even to the highly esteemed CART drivers. As such, it's pretty > silly to resort to the tired chest thumping and "CART rules" rhetoric. > > -jde

CART doesn't rule, it just turns left and right unlike Junior's store- bought league. :) dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote: > Ya know, in a very stretched out way, > Penske has already done that, they have a Toyota Block which was assembled > by Illmor which used race at Indy with the Chevy badge and now they build > Daimler Chrysler/Mercedes blocks for F1. hmmmmmmm I'm not 100% sure how Penske handles his engines. AFAIK, TRD designed and built their engine in-house, while Honda went out of character and made their engine a joint-effort between HPD and Ilmor. I don't know where Penske's engines are maintained, if it's TRD or done in-house like the Cossie DFX's and Chevy's were. (Penske was the only team allowed by GM/Ilmor to open their Chevy CART engines.) > My apologies for messin' up the vette pacecar, I saw a-bit of the pre- > race parade and all the drivers were in 50th Anniversary Vettes. I wish they used a Vette again this year. The SSR looks like the bean counters saw the "hot rod" nose kit for S10's, and thought "hey, we need to build those..." At least the Aztek can get a prom date now...LOL ;-) -jde

J.D. Ellis wrote: (Penske was the only > team allowed by GM/Ilmor to open their Chevy CART engines.) Correction: Depending on semantics, one could argue Jim Hall had the same privileges since Franz Weis and the VDS engine shop (which now service/rebuild Chevy IRL engines) were closely linked. -jde

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> Correction: Depending on semantics, one could argue Jim Hall had the > same privileges since Franz Weis and the VDS engine shop (which now > service/rebuild Chevy IRL engines) were closely linked. > > -jde > >

Yeah the Hall shop was the offical rebuilder of the chevy engine package weren't they? Rebuilts had a reputation of just a tiny bit more power than the new blocks fresh from the factory.

Dave Henrie wrote:

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>>Correction: Depending on semantics, one could argue Jim Hall had the >>same privileges since Franz Weis and the VDS engine shop (which now >>service/rebuild Chevy IRL engines) were closely linked. >> > Yeah the Hall shop was the offical rebuilder of the chevy engine package > weren't they? Rebuilts had a reputation of just a tiny bit more power than > the new blocks fresh from the factory.

I'm trying to think backnow, but VDS was definitely an authorized rebuilder. I assume Ilmor themselves handled the rest, and then the Penske team serviced their own engines. I don't remember any other shops, but perhaps Steve or someone can clue us in. It was much more tightly controlled than the IRL program, which has a half-dozen or so shops authorized to sell/service engines. -jde

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3eddfe48$0$3909$[email hidden]... > In reality, there's no way you (or any of us who weren't there) would > know the circumstances from a press release or news story. Whoa there, buddy. It's a quote. I don't know if it's a language thing or what, it just sounded damn funny in a "I was driving along and there was this guy in front of me, he braked and then I noticed I was dead" kinda way. I don't care if it happened in the gIRLy races or in CART, it's still funny.

Nick wrote: > Whoa there, buddy. It's a quote. I don't know if it's a language thing or > what, it just sounded damn funny in a "I was driving along and there was > this guy in front of me, he braked and then I noticed I was dead" kinda way. I agree, I thought it funny too at first glance, just not enough to justify an IRL jab. It's hard to pick on either group these days, as in principle, CART's turned into the early-era Spec IRL, albeit maintaining a diverse schedule, and IRL's morphed into the big bucks series with heavy Japanese influence. :-) > I don't care if it happened in the gIRLy races or in CART, it's still funny. Exactly, it's an awkwardly-worded quip, but no point for adding political connotations. I can't reallty talk, though. His English is infinitely better than my Portugese! ;-) -jde

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ede33cc$0$3908$[email hidden]... > I can't reallty talk, though. His English is infinitely better than my > Portugese! ;-) LOL!

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yeah the Hall shop was the offical rebuilder of the chevy engine package > weren't they? Rebuilts had a reputation of just a tiny bit more power than > the new blocks fresh from the factory. Mark Donohue wrote a little about that inhis autobiography. Apparently when the engine had a few miles on it, everything seated a little better, and then you put a new head on it and suddenly you got a small HP bump. He did that on a few races, when he thought he needed more power (which, for Mark, was ALWAYS). :-)

I'd say that the Captain can say with certainty that the chasis is irrelevant this year...1-2 finish and it could have gone either way. I don't think you'd sink to quite those depths though to troll. :) Not yet anyhow... :) Mike Dave Henrie wrote:

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> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]: > > > Nick wrote: > > > >> Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. > > > > ...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) > > > > Nice troll. Herr Henrie would be proud! :-D > > > > -jde > > > > my work is done now....if I have corrupted just one person...then I have > acheived something positive :) Anybody notice what the pace car was this > year? I can kill two birds with one stone. Castroneves following a > corvette at indy. I also noticed that Penske wasn't so sure which chassis > was superior, he had one driver in a Dallara and one in a Geforce. Maybe > next year he can have Goodyears on the inside and Bridgestones on the > outside. > dave(using 5lb test with light drag)henrie

Nice comeback. :) Nick wrote:

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> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3edca5c3$0$69885$[email hidden]... > > Nick wrote: > > > Wow, that's some great reactive driving there, Helio. > > ...and how many Indy 500's have you won? ;-) > > Simulated or real ???

Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> I'd say that the Captain can say with certainty that the chasis is > irrelevant this year...1-2 finish and it could have gone either way. > > I don't think you'd sink to quite those depths though to troll. :) > Not yet anyhow... :) > > Mike >

I do practice "Catch and Release" :) dave henrie