OT: Bottleneck.

Hi Guys, Currently I'm running an AMD 750 with a Hercules GF2. I just discovered that a BIOS upgrade on the MOBO will allow me to slap an AMD 2600 in, and they're not too expensive either. *Big grins all round* However, I'm wondering if this'll move the bottle neck to the GF2, and how much overall improvement I''l get in GPL and F12001. If the GF2 is too much of a bottle neck, what do I need to go up to to match the new CPU? GF3, GF4? thanks. R.

GPL will get a big boost. F1 2001 will be better but still quite held back by the GF2....

The golden rule as ever is just buy what you can afford. It will never be wasted. AD

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcs3tl$mac7s$[email hidden]... > GPL will get a big boost. F1 2001 will be better but still quite heldback > by the GF2.... Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That would make my life complete ;-) R.

> Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That would makemy > life complete ;-) yep

> > Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That wouldmake my > > life complete ;-) > > yep I've got goose pimples just at that thought! �75 and I can have GPL as God intended it to be!

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> > > Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That would > make my > > > life complete ;-) > > > > yep > > I've got goose pimples just at that thought! > > �75 and I can have GPL as God intended it to be!

Bum! Just discovered that I can't get hold of a 2600 with a FSB of 266, as they're all 333, now. I can only get a 2400. Still, 'spose I'd hardly notice the difference, and they _are_ cheaper. Any recommendations on a GFX card to match? I've got a feeling that a GF4 is in order, but which brand/model is the one to go for? Thanks. R.

I also have the MSI version Ti4200 (128MB). I have yet to have any problems with it, even with the overclocking (every now and then). I have had a few different brands (Gainward, Asus, eVGA, Leadtek) but MSI seems to be the most stable. Dave "Teabag" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:36:54 +0100, "Richard S Beckett" > <[email hidden]> reckoned: > > > >Any recommendations on a GFX card to match? I've got a feeling that a GF4is

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> >in order, but which brand/model is the one to go for? > > > >Thanks. > > > >R. > > > > On a budget I would go for the GF4 Ti4200, I have an MSI brand of this > card and it is rock solid. Some people overclock them to Ti4600 speeds > too, not that I do.

Go with a ti4200 if you are on a tight budget. Get a Radeon 9700pro (or 9800 if price is no concern ) if you can spend a little more. I highly recommend the Radeons though. A ti4200 will be a small vanilla cone. A 9700 will be a large 3 scoop banana split with hot fudge, marshmallow, whipped cream, sprinkles,and nuts. A 9800 is all that with extra cherries on top !!! "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcsld4$a00$[email hidden]...

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> > > > Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That would > > make my > > > > life complete ;-) > > > > > > yep > > > > I've got goose pimples just at that thought! > > > > �75 and I can have GPL as God intended it to be! > > Bum! Just discovered that I can't get hold of a 2600 with a FSB of 266, as > they're all 333, now. I can only get a 2400. > > Still, 'spose I'd hardly notice the difference, and they _are_ cheaper. > > Any recommendations on a GFX card to match? I've got a feeling that a GF4

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> in order, but which brand/model is the one to go for? > > Thanks. > > R. > >

What's the verdict on a Radeon 9200 (128 meg)? I'm looking for a new vid card myself (I've currently got a ti200 (GF2)) on my Athlon 800 (yes, this needs to be upgraded as well). On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:28:10 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Go with a ti4200 if you are on a tight budget. Get a Radeon 9700pro (or 9800 >if price is no concern ) if you can spend a little more. I highly recommend >the Radeons though. > > >A ti4200 will be a small vanilla cone. > >A 9700 will be a large 3 scoop banana split with hot fudge, marshmallow, >whipped cream, sprinkles,and nuts. > >A 9800 is all that with extra cherries on top !!! > > >"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:bcsld4$a00$[email hidden]... >> > > > Ooh! Will I actually be able to have _everything_ in GPL? That would >> > make my >> > > > life complete ;-) >> > > >> > > yep >> > >> > I've got goose pimples just at that thought! >> > >> > �75 and I can have GPL as God intended it to be! >> >> Bum! Just discovered that I can't get hold of a 2600 with a FSB of 266, as >> they're all 333, now. I can only get a 2400. >> >> Still, 'spose I'd hardly notice the difference, and they _are_ cheaper. >> >> Any recommendations on a GFX card to match? I've got a feeling that a GF4 >is >> in order, but which brand/model is the one to go for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> R. >> >> >

Mike Donnelly Jr wrote: > > What's the verdict on a Radeon 9200 (128 meg)? I'm looking for a new > vid card myself (I've currently got a ti200 (GF2)) on my Athlon 800 > (yes, this needs to be upgraded as well). The R9200 used to be the R9100 which used to be the R9000 which is in some ways used to be the R8500 if memory serves me right, and while it's not a bad card as such, it's not a DX9 part, so it would be a budget replacement card only and I wouldn't expect too much, however it's a decent improvement over what you're currently running Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Just a decent or signifcant improvment? Enough to justify another $40 bucks? Mike On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:05:27 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Mike Donnelly Jr wrote: >> >> What's the verdict on a Radeon 9200 (128 meg)? I'm looking for a new >> vid card myself (I've currently got a ti200 (GF2)) on my Athlon 800 >> (yes, this needs to be upgraded as well). > >The R9200 used to be the R9100 which used to be the R9000 which is in >some ways used to be the R8500 if memory serves me right, and while it's >not a bad card as such, it's not a DX9 part, so it would be a budget >replacement card only and I wouldn't expect too much, however it's a >decent improvement over what you're currently running > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy >"goyl at nettx dot no" > >http://www.theuspits.com > >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" >--Groucho Marx--

Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > What's the verdict on a Radeon 9200 (128 meg)? I'm looking for a new > vid card myself (I've currently got a ti200 (GF2)) on my Athlon 800 > (yes, this needs to be upgraded as well). > o go for? that would be a sideways improvement. the 92 is pretty close to the 4200. What you really need to upgrade first is your cpu. You would still be handicapped with a fancy new vidcard and that chip. 2gig or higher laddie... and by that I mean the closer to 3 gigahertz the better. dave henrie

Mike Donnelly Jr wrote: > > Just a decent or signifcant improvment? Enough to justify another $40 > bucks? I'd say it's worth 40 dollars over what you've got, just don't expect miracles, but at least it's a Dx8 part compared to the Dx7 part you've got now, it would probably be about equal of a GF3 ti200 or thereabouts, that's what the R8500 was competing against, maybe a tad more in R9200 guise, say ti500 perhaps ? What you will get however is a significant improvement in 2D quality Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

For the record, I'm looking at an Athlon 2400. Top end of my price range. While I'm looking at it as a primarily sim machine, I'm on a college students budget (again :( ). So while I currently have an Athlon 800, I'm looking at going to a 2400 (new moboard/CD/HDD ect...) If a R9200 is close to a ti4200, then I'd get the R9200 just because of price (thank God for Pricewatch.com!). How's that for a plan? Mike On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 04:32:55 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> What's the verdict on a Radeon 9200 (128 meg)? I'm looking for a new >> vid card myself (I've currently got a ti200 (GF2)) on my Athlon 800 >> (yes, this needs to be upgraded as well). >> o go for? > that would be a sideways improvement. the 92 is pretty close to the >4200. What you really need to upgrade first is your cpu. You would still >be handicapped with a fancy new vidcard and that chip. 2gig or higher >laddie... >and by that I mean the closer to 3 gigahertz the better. >dave henrie

Mike Donnelly Jr wrote:

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> > For the record, I'm looking at an Athlon 2400. Top end of my price > range. While I'm looking at it as a primarily sim machine, I'm on a > college students budget (again :( ). > > So while I currently have an Athlon 800, I'm looking at going to a > 2400 (new moboard/CD/HDD ect...) > > If a R9200 is close to a ti4200, then I'd get the R9200 just because > of price (thank God for Pricewatch.com!). > > How's that for a plan?

Beg, steel or borrow the extra cash needed for a 9500 PRO, I honestly don't think the 9200 can match the 4200 in raw speed, my R8500 compared to a GF3 at the time and the 9200 is based on that card... http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030120/index.html Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--