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> I will also tell you guys......this place has now been labeled by the > FIA....as "F1 friendly".....I'm serious. Watch out Indy! Not only is our > weather substantially better in August than Indianapolis, but our > "surrounding attractions" (primarily the Sonoma Wine Country) appeal much > more to those big-bucks F1 people....and the fans that follow them around > the world. San Francisco, is much more of a cosmopolitan city.....than is > Indianapolis, as well. These things play a bigger role than you might > imagine....and the F1 race at Indy is getting somewhat "tired"......if you > know what I mean. Its also possible that a second USA F1 race might be > added to the schedule.....positioning it in conjunction with either the > Montreal or Indy races.....to improve the cash flow of making a two-race > trip to the US continent...instead of two "1-race trips." SMI is very

keen > on making something like this happen.....and they have the bucks to pullit > off. >Only problem that I'd see with Infineon is that it likely wouldn't be too kind to passing in an F1 car, but that hasn't stopped F1 in the past. Would be a great challenge for the drivers though.

Hi Guys..... I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the photo....then enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. Enjoy.... Tom

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> > Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the photo....then > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > Enjoy....

Enjoy ??? With not even a little hint of grid girls ??? What were you thinking Tom ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the

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> enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > Enjoy.... > > Tom > > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53...

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> Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the

photo....then > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > Enjoy.... > > Tom > Decent sized hospitality village there in the foreground. The compression that this photo implies sure does make the track look smaller than its actual size. Thanks for sharing.

SR... Not only does the "lens compression" tend to shorten up the perspective, but from the position I took the picture.....you really don't see much of the track down in the main infield area. Also, this photo shows very well how SMI has transformed the track into something of a "road course within a stadium." Five years ago, you would not have been able to even see across the track to the esses....from where I took this photo last night. There were hills in-between.....those were all bulldozed down! From just about any fan seating area, you can now follow a car about 98% around the track.....almost perfect open line-of-site. There's no place like that any where else in the world, that I know of......you can't even do that on most ovals. I will also tell you guys......this place has now been labeled by the FIA....as "F1 friendly".....I'm serious. Watch out Indy! Not only is our weather substantially better in August than Indianapolis, but our "surrounding attractions" (primarily the Sonoma Wine Country) appeal much more to those big-bucks F1 people....and the fans that follow them around the world. San Francisco, is much more of a cosmopolitan city.....than is Indianapolis, as well. These things play a bigger role than you might imagine....and the F1 race at Indy is getting somewhat "tired"......if you know what I mean. Its also possible that a second USA F1 race might be added to the schedule.....positioning it in conjunction with either the Montreal or Indy races.....to improve the cash flow of making a two-race trip to the US continent...instead of two "1-race trips." SMI is very keen on making something like this happen.....and they have the bucks to pull it off. Tom PS: Shortly after the WC race, the entire track surface is being completely ground up....and repaved. It couldn't be done before the race, because there was not enough time to do it......temperature wise, and considering the other construction still underway.....before the race. That will mean all new FIA curbing.......and a slick new high-tech macadam compound that has been tested and approved, by the FIA (but only exist at one other track....at this time). "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IEIIa.77239$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53... > > Hi Guys..... > > > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like

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> > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the > photo....then > > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > > > Enjoy.... > > > > Tom > > > > Decent sized hospitality village there in the foreground. The compression > that this photo implies sure does make the track look smaller than its > actual size. > > Thanks for sharing. > >

Thats Sears Point is it not??... I didn't know the track had been renamed. Nigel Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53...

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> Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the

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> enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > Enjoy.... > > Tom > > >

And it's Infineon now, a Siemens daughter - European, German to be precise. Are we seeing a pattern here? Achim "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3hKIa.734337$[email hidden]... ... > ......this place has now been labeled by the > FIA....as "F1 friendly".....

The track had been renamed to Infineon Raceway....exactly a year ago today....was the official public announcement. Infineon (the company) paid SMI (owners of Sears Point Raceway) $30 million for naming rights....its a 10-year deal. TP "Nigel Nichols" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcvr0s$894$[email hidden]... > Thats Sears Point is it not??... I didn't know the track had beenrenamed.

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> > Nigel > > > > Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53... > > Hi Guys..... > > > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like

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> > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the > photo....then > > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > > > Enjoy.... > > > > Tom > > > > > > > >

Good thinking there Mr. Trensz! "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcvt8r$o1822$[email hidden]... > And it's Infineon now, a Siemens daughter - European, German to beprecise.

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> Are we seeing a pattern here? > > Achim > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3hKIa.734337$[email hidden]... > ... > > ......this place has now been labeled by the > > FIA....as "F1 friendly"..... > >

Good thinking there Mr. Trensz! > And it's Infineon now, a Siemens daughter - European, German to be precise.

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> Are we seeing a pattern here? > Achim > ... > > ......this place has now been labeled by the > > FIA....as "F1 friendly".....

All road courses...... Oran Park, NSW, Australia. Winton, Victoria, Australia. Wakefield Park, NSW, Australia. Mallala, South Australia, Australia. Lakeside, Queensland, Australia. Just to name a few. :) Bruce. "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3hKIa.734337$[email hidden]... From just about any fan seating area, you can now follow a car about 98% around the track.....almost perfect open line-of-site. There's no place like that any where else in the world, that I know of......

By "ROAD" I mean that they're tracks built specifically for motor-racing; they are not street circuits. Bruce. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef383cb$[email hidden]... > All road courses......

Don't forget Symmons Plains (everyone always forgets Tasmania) steve "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef383cb$[email hidden]...

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> All road courses...... > > Oran Park, NSW, Australia. > Winton, Victoria, Australia. > Wakefield Park, NSW, Australia. > Mallala, South Australia, Australia. > Lakeside, Queensland, Australia. > > Just to name a few. :) > > Bruce. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3hKIa.734337$[email hidden]... > From just about any fan seating area, you can now follow a car about 98% > around the track.....almost perfect open line-of-site. There's no place > like that any where else in the world, that I know of...... > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53...

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> Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like in > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the

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Thanks Tom, very nice pic! Sure would be hard to see the whole track from the hospitality tents(not that I would pass up the chance). Tim>

Oh yes...of course! Sorry, Steve! :) Almost a natural ampitheatre, that place. Regards, Bruce. "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef3adf8$0$30820$[email hidden]... > Don't forget Symmons Plains (everyone always forgets Tasmania)

thats alright Bruce, us tasmanians are used to it:o) I found down near the hairpin was the best place to see the action. You can see right in the cars and see the guys working trying to out brake each other, and then fighting the car as they try to get the power down coming out of the corner. Steve "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef3de01$[email hidden]...

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> Oh yes...of course! > Sorry, Steve! :) > Almost a natural ampitheatre, that place. > > Regards, > Bruce. > "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ef3adf8$0$30820$[email hidden]... > > Don't forget Symmons Plains (everyone always forgets Tasmania) > >

One of my favourite circuits - from a spectator's viewpoint - was Catalina Park, at Katoomba. Tight, twisty and in a natural bowl, so that at least 75% of the circuit could be seen from anywhere. Very popular back in the 60's and even hosted a couple of national titles. That was in the days when al that separated the spectator from the driver was a 1" thick timber fence and a couple of feet of grassed verge! Also Amaroo Park - another Sydney circuit - at which the majority could be seen from any vantage point. Amoroo closed a couple of years back, I believe - for a housing development! :( I once ran an MG Midget at Amaroo.....but that's another story. Aaah! Memories! :) Bruce. "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ef402e0$0$31550$[email hidden]... > I found down near the hairpin was the best place to see the action. Youcan > see right in the cars and see the guys working trying to out brake each > other, and then fighting the car as they try to get the power down coming > out of the corner.

Hi Tim.... Well, if you were inside the tent you wouldn't see anything.....but then why would you be there if you wanted to see the racing? LOL.... Actually, this hospitality area directly below where I took the pictures has about a 10,000 seat grand stand between it and the track. You just can't see this area of the Sears terrace seating from the angle I took the picture. Just above and behind me, is the motorhome parking area for that hospitality center. Rented RV motorhomes are placed in this area so corporate VIP's and their guests can actually stay right at the track if they so desire. Also, this hospitality area is only one of 8 corporate hospitality centers, scattered about the track. If you look at the photo, every place that you see grouping of white tents is one of those hospitality areas (not all of them have associated RV motorhome parking, however). Each has its own trackside seating.....as well as the gathering area for food and beverage functions. TP "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bd0m8q$f0g$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53... > > Hi Guys..... > > > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like

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> > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the > photo....then > > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > > > Enjoy.... > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Thanks Tom, very nice pic! Sure would be hard to see the whole track

from > the hospitality tents(not that I would pass up the chance). > > Tim> > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53... > Hi Guys..... > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Nice pictures... if only you'd had more overlap they could've been stitched into a seamless image :(

We had hospitality tickets for Kansas the last 2 years(NAPA tent). It's in turn 1 so you can see pretty well but we just get a belly full and head to our seats in the stands. I'd love to see Sears Point someday but it would be a hell of trip from Iowa! Tim "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kC_Ia.1011041$OV.1111514@rwcrnsc54... > Hi Tim.... > > Well, if you were inside the tent you wouldn't see anything.....but thenwhy > would you be there if you wanted to see the racing? LOL.... > > Actually, this hospitality area directly below where I took the pictureshas

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> about a 10,000 seat grand stand between it and the track. You just can't > see this area of the Sears terrace seating from the angle I took the > picture. Just above and behind me, is the motorhome parking area for that > hospitality center. Rented RV motorhomes are placed in this area so > corporate VIP's and their guests can actually stay right at the track if > they so desire. > > Also, this hospitality area is only one of 8 corporate hospitality

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> scattered about the track. If you look at the photo, every place that you > see grouping of white tents is one of those hospitality areas (not all of > them have associated RV motorhome parking, however). Each has its own > trackside seating.....as well as the gathering area for food and beverage > functions. > > TP > > > "Tim Paullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bd0m8q$f0g$[email hidden]... > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xtHIa.85626$YZ2.258240@rwcrnsc53... > > > Hi Guys..... > > > > > > I took this picture last night about 6:30 PM, from atop the hills > > > overlooking Infineon Raceway. Its from an angle not normally > > > seen......thought you guys might like to see what the track looks like > in > > > "full-dress" for the NASCAR boys! > > > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/infineon_panorama.jpg > > > > > > Its a wide photo....so you will need to put your mouse on the > > photo....then > > > enlarge it when the "enlarge bug" appears. > > > > > > Enjoy.... > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Tom, very nice pic! Sure would be hard to see the whole track > from > > the hospitality tents(not that I would pass up the chance). > > > > Tim> > > > > > >

From just about > any fan seating area, you can now follow a car about 98% around the > track.....almost perfect open line-of-site. There's no place like thatany > where else in the world, that I know of......you can't even do that onmost > ovals. Brands Hatch Indy Circuit... MS >

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > I will also tell you guys......this place has now been labeled by the > FIA....as "F1 friendly".....I'm serious. Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. It's 1001 changes in the last decade, the fact that it has multiple courses, the imho ugliness of the yellow grass patch, it just doesn't make it a real, clean racetrack like every F1 track on the schedule. It kinda looks cheap. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

What an odd statement! :) Define "real racetrack" - and if you include any of the made-for-TV Micky Mouse courses which Uncle Bernie's World-Wide Circus includes then your definition is next to worthless. Bruce (sitting here with bated breath). "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:avnJa.319$[email hidden]... > Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. .........

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > What an odd statement! :) Figurative statement Bruce, cmon don't be silly as you aren't an idiot. It looks dirty, it's not clean, the asphalt is patched everywhere with sand and grass over it, with the track blending into > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. ......... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"patmanbnl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U0NIa.157$[email hidden]... > > I will also tell you guys......this place has now been labeled by the > > FIA....as "F1 friendly".....I'm serious. Watch out Indy! Not only isour > > weather substantially better in August than Indianapolis, but our > > "surrounding attractions" (primarily the Sonoma Wine Country) appealmuch > > more to those big-bucks F1 people....and the fans that follow themaround > > the world. San Francisco, is much more of a cosmopolitan city.....thanis > > Indianapolis, as well. These things play a bigger role than you might > > imagine....and the F1 race at Indy is getting somewhat "tired"......ifyou

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> > know what I mean. Its also possible that a second USA F1 race might be > > added to the schedule.....positioning it in conjunction with either the > > Montreal or Indy races.....to improve the cash flow of making a two-race > > trip to the US continent...instead of two "1-race trips." SMI is very > keen > > on making something like this happen.....and they have the bucks to pull > it > > off. > > > Only problem that I'd see with Infineon is that it likely wouldn't be too > kind to passing in an F1 car, but that hasn't stopped F1 in the past.

Would > be a great challenge for the drivers though. > So long as they continue to race in Monaco, I don't think passing is really much of an issue to the F1 crowd. :-) LOL! I would like to see F1 on Sears err I mean Infineon, just to see how fast they could lap the place.

To me, I'd say North Carolina Motor Speedway. The Rock. Deceptively challengine, multiple grooves, *no blocking*, forgiving of a single mistake - yet penalizes repeated mistakes (tire wear). That (to me) is what racing is about. For race *courses* (read: road racing) I'd have to go with Road Atlanta. High speed corners, low speed corners, elevation changes, and nothing resembling a chicane. On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:19:08 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What an odd statement! :) > >Define "real racetrack" - and if you include any of the made-for-TV Micky >Mouse courses which Uncle Bernie's World-Wide Circus includes then your >definition is next to worthless. > >Bruce (sitting here with bated breath). > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:avnJa.319$[email hidden]... >> Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. ......... >

Francois, I've seen some fabulous racing in my time on circuits which match the very description you've just given. Appearance of the stage means stuff-all; it's the performance that's the crux. Jeez - if you base the qualities of a race-track on what it looks like rather than what takes place on its surface then you've really got the wrong end of the stick, mate! Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mQAJa.623$[email hidden]... > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What an odd statement! :) > > > Figurative statement Bruce, cmon don't be silly as you aren't an idiot.It > looks dirty, it's not clean, the asphalt is patched everywhere with sandand

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> grass over it, with the track blending into > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. ......... > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

Hear, hear! I thoroughly concur, Mike. Images of the 1970's - 1980's versions of Nurburgring, Elkhart Lake, Spa and Mount Panorama come wafting into view. :) Bruce. "Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >High speed corners, low speed corners, elevation changes, and nothingresembling a chicane.

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> > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:19:08 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What an odd statement! :) > > > >Define "real racetrack" - and if you include any of the made-for-TV Micky > >Mouse courses which Uncle Bernie's World-Wide Circus includes then your > >definition is next to worthless. > > > >Bruce (sitting here with bated breath). > > > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:avnJa.319$[email hidden]... > >> Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. ......... > > >

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Francois, I've seen some fabulous racing in my time on circuits whichmatch > the very description you've just given. > Appearance of the stage means stuff-all; it's the performance that's the > crux. What I meant more is that, for today's FIA standards, I don't see a track like Sears Point to qualify in the aesthetics aspects of the track. Just compare it to Montr�al or Suzuka or every other track on the schedule. It's dirty and ugly. I'm not talking about it's racing qualities, but more saying that it detriments a little the track. > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Figurative statement Bruce, cmon don't be silly as you aren't an idiot.It > > looks dirty, it's not clean, the asphalt is patched everywhere with sandand > > grass over it, with the track blending into > >

Fran�ois, I think some of the older guys here will think that all of the modern F1 circuits don't look like racetracks anymore :) 35 years back, racetracks looked like you describe Sears, or worse, and honestly, for me, those new, clean F1 style racetracks lack all panache entirely. It's tracks like Sears which make my heart beat faster :) Achim "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mQAJa.623$[email hidden]... > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > > What an odd statement! :) > > > Figurative statement Bruce, cmon don't be silly as you aren't an idiot.It > looks dirty, it's not clean, the asphalt is patched everywhere with sandand > grass over it, with the track blending into > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. ...

Well, there y' go, you see. Somewhat different to what you started with. Now you're talking about whether the *appearance* is acceptable to the FIA?! To be honest, I wasn't aware that there was an "aesthetic yardstick" in the FIA's rulebook, Francois. Safety, yes; access, yes; public and team facilities, yes. Beauty? Wow! I can see a new competition emerging at their annual award ceremony - The Most Beautiful Circuit Of The Year, with sub categories such as Most Congenial Circuit and Most Photogenic. Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yWQJa.1806$[email hidden]... > What I meant more is that, for today's FIA standards, I don't see a tracklike Sears Point to qualify in the aesthetics aspects of the track.

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well, there y' go, you see. Somewhat different to what you started with. > Now you're talking about whether the *appearance* is acceptable to theFIA?! Yes, yes very much. The FIA doesn't want a cheap-looking track. Ex : at Montr�al, a couple of years ago, the track was severely criticed by them for the cheap-quality of the grass (if you remember, some drivers who had off-course excursions had complete patch of grass stuck on their cars). It was fixed for the next year. They won't accept such things. There's a reason why tracks like Australia put the big bucks for the Aesthetic qualities of their tracks. The Sears Point owners just don't consider it important, and I feel it cheapens the track a little in todays' standards. Gee can you continue more just trying to find a point over my posts now and being a smart-ass??????? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:avnJa.319$[email hidden]... > Sears Point never looked to me like a real racetrack. It's 1001 changesin > the last decade, the fact that it has multiple courses, the imho uglinessof > the yellow grass patch, it just doesn't make it a real, clean racetracklike > every F1 track on the schedule. > > > It kinda looks cheap. It would be intersting to see them install a sprinkler system and actually have green grass planted around the edges of the track instead of the dirt/yellow grass that is there now. My hat is off to the raceway however because they have invested and done so much to improve it but their is definately more they could do like paving the concession areas, more landscaping, a taller standings pole, make highway 37 a 4 lane road. ;) -Tim

But are you SURE that was because the grass was"cheap-looking" or because the turf was not really the ideal insofar as safety was concerned? I don't think either the FIA or Bernie would give a damn about whether the grass was bought at Bill's Bargain Basement or came from the finest stock. In other words - it wasn't what it LOOKED like but how it performed under those conditions - with cars skating across the surface. SNIP > Gee can you continue more just trying to find a point over my posts now and being a smart-ass??????? Oh, I'm sure I can, Francois. Just give me a minute or two....... :) Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XRYJa.2124$[email hidden]... > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Yes, yes very much. The FIA doesn't want a cheap-looking track. Ex : at > Montr�al, a couple of years ago, the track was severely criticed by themfor > the cheap-quality of the grass (if you remember, some drivers who had > off-course excursions had complete patch of grass stuck on their cars).It > was fixed for the next year. They won't accept such things. >

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > But are you SURE that was because the grass was"cheap-looking" or because > the turf was not really the ideal insofar as safety was concerned? Both. Trust me there ;) > I don't think either the FIA or Bernie would give a damn about whether thegrass was > bought at Bill's Bargain Basement or came from the finest stock. They require the highest appearance possible but of course they don't expect the track owners to put in gold leaves instead of grass!! Seriously it's an important issue. Most of the tracks, even if you check out the CART series, they don't look as good-looking or modern as the F1 tracks. Sure some people (and they are right by saying so) will say that the F1 tracks are bland and have no soul anymore in their perfecticity, but look at them. The grass is uniform, bright, the tyre on the walls are fresh painted and lined-up equally, etc... They don't do that for nothing. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Seriously, it's an issue of little worth but, if that's uppermost on the list of "must haves" with Bernie and/or the FIA, it's just one more reason to add to my list of Why I Can't Stand Modern F1. Incidentally, Fran�ois, in your continual and much-admired efforts to achieve English perfection, allow me to assist: "Perfecticity", uh-uh. :( "Perfection", yes. :) Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lp6Ka.2992$[email hidden]... > > Seriously it's an important issue.

>"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > Incidentally, Fran�ois, in your continual and much-admired efforts to > achieve English perfection, allow me to assist: > > "Perfecticity", uh-uh. :( > "Perfection", yes. :) I sometimes invent my own language. Even in French, I on purpose will add suffixes and prefixes to form derivative words. I have my own reasons to do such thing. Like "perfecticity". OE's spelling tool warned me, but I ignored it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Oh. Okay then, Fran�ois. Good luck with the word inventing. Bruce. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oxnKa.3921$[email hidden]... >I have my own reasons to do such thing.

I'm glad they got rid of that stupid building that was blocking the view of turn 11. I was there in 2002 for the vintage races, in the midst of their renovation. Almost all the passing takes place at 11/12 but it was blocked by a building! You just watched the cars go in, hold your breath, and see who comes out the next turn. Looks great now. The "infield" seating areas seemed like a waste of space, just like the dragstrip (running for cover).

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>I'm glad they got rid of that stupid building that was blocking the >view of turn 11. I was there in 2002 for the vintage races, in the >midst of their renovation. Almost all the passing takes place at 11/12 >but it was blocked by a building! You just watched the cars go in, >hold your breath, and see who comes out the next turn. Looks great >now. The "infield" seating areas seemed like a waste of space, just >like the dragstrip (running for cover).

What WAS the building used for? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.