F1C: Both "grip" and standard set-ups oversteer heavily?

Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteer with the default ones packaged with the sim. It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruising through corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and wham, you're around. I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the standard physics. Anyone else find this or is it just me? Thanks, Marc -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

> Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteerwith > the default ones packaged with the sim. > > It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruisingthrough

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> corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and wham, > you're around. > > I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the > standard physics. > > Anyone else find this or is it just me?

Actually, the default setups are pretty good. Sounds like you're still driving the cars F1 2002-style ;-) You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4 wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You also have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle, you'll quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control on - if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in the corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight shifts is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front wheel while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting and correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll leave you to it.... : )

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:02:22 +1000, "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4 >wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You also >have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear >wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle, you'll >quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control on - >if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in the >corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight shifts >is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front wheel >while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting and >correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll leave >you to it.... : )

The other thing I'm finding that makes me faster (since I'm slow and prefer not sliding much) is to run fully stiff front bar and fully soft rear bar. Lots of traction at the rear, and nice controllable understeer in the slow corners. If you couple it with a fairly low diff, say 20-30% you can still get the car to turn in well. Jason

> The other thing I'm finding that makes me faster (since I'm slow and > prefer not sliding much) is to run fully stiff front bar and fully > soft rear bar. Lots of traction at the rear, and nice controllable > understeer in the slow corners. If you couple it with a fairly low > diff, say 20-30% you can still get the car to turn in well. What you've just described is quite similar to what the real-life teams use from what I've read.

Thanks. I am sure I am still doing F12002 action. Of course I have all aids turned off, even though the real pros have TC!!! Marc "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bdke67$tje5f$[email hidden]...

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> > Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteer > with > > the default ones packaged with the sim. > > > > It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruising > through > > corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and wham, > > you're around. > > > > I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the > > standard physics. > > > > Anyone else find this or is it just me? > > Actually, the default setups are pretty good. Sounds like you're still > driving the cars F1 2002-style ;-) > > You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4 > wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You also > have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear > wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle, you'll > quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control on - > if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in the > corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight shifts > is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front wheel > while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting

and > correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'llleave > you to it.... : ) > >

F1 uses traction control? I thought it was outlawed a few years ago? Or was that cart... Mitch "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R7mLa.7792$[email hidden]...

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> Thanks. I am sure I am still doing F12002 action. Of course I have all > aids turned off, even though the real pros have TC!!! > > Marc > > "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bdke67$tje5f$[email hidden]... > > > Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteer > > with > > > the default ones packaged with the sim. > > > > > > It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruising > > through > > > corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and

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> > > you're around. > > > > > > I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the > > > standard physics. > > > > > > Anyone else find this or is it just me? > > > > Actually, the default setups are pretty good. Sounds like you're still > > driving the cars F1 2002-style ;-) > > > > You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4 > > wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You

also > > have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear > > wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle,you'll > > quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction controlon - > > if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive inthe > > corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weightshifts > > is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside frontwheel

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> > while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting > and > > correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll > leave > > you to it.... : ) > > > > > >

"Mitch_A" wrote... > F1 uses traction control? I thought it was outlawed a few > years ago? Or was that cart... They did, but then they allowed it again (F1) and, if they can resolve the aggro about supporting the smaller teams, I think it's gonna be outlawed again. Along with semi-automatic trannies and two way telemetry. Confused? -I sure am. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:j5zLa.4644$[email hidden]: > They did, but then they allowed it again (F1) and, if they can resolve > the aggro about supporting the smaller teams, I think it's gonna be > outlawed again. Along with semi-automatic trannies and two way > telemetry. Nope, TC will remain. Some of the big teams started to whine up a storm (mclarencoughwilliams). Actually, I think even Minardi is in favor of TC. But supposedly, launch control is still to be banned in 2004.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:22:07 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >They did, but then they allowed it again (F1) and, if they can resolve the >aggro about supporting the smaller teams, I think it's gonna be outlawed >again. Along with semi-automatic trannies and two way telemetry. Semi-auto? Or do you mean fully auto upshifts? I can't imagine semi-auto being banned, tho it would be cool to see proper clutches and shifters in the car again. Jason

Don't they still have a clutch lever on the wheel? "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Semi-auto? Or do you mean fully auto upshifts? > > I can't imagine semi-auto being banned, tho it would be cool to see > proper clutches and shifters in the car again. > > Jason

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:33:38 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Don't they still have a clutch lever on the wheel? Yeah. They used to use them at the start but with launch control I guess they never really touch them anymore. Jason

"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:33:38 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Don't they still have a clutch lever on the wheel? > > Yeah. They used to use them at the start but with launch control I > guess they never really touch them anymore.

You could always tell a clever driver because when they spun, they would pull in that lever and catch the engine to recover. Yes they used to use them for starts too, but it's just about digital (engaged/disengaged). Hit the required revs on the start line, and drop that lever when the reds go out. Now they use launch control and the engine has an anti-stall mechanism if the driver should happen to 'run out of talent'. Nick

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ihiLa.7091$[email hidden]... > Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteerwith > the default ones packaged with the sim. > > It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruisingthrough

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> corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and wham, > you're around. > > I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the > standard physics. > > Anyone else find this or is it just me? > > Thanks, > > Marc

Edit your .PLR file, change moving steering wheel from 1 to 0, and be amazed at the difference!! R.