Nascar 2003 Problems with Radeon 9700

I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the twenties somewhere. The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This seems very strange to me. The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number of cars I see ahead. This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? Do I have a faulty card? HELP! SkykingUSA

why are you spamming us with this...? how many times have you posted this now..? for pitys sake.. AD

Excuse me. I've posted it 3 times - I feel desperate, that's all. I will try to contain myself in the future. SkykingUSA "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bed1q4$gqb$[email hidden]...

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> why are you spamming us with this...? > > how many times have you posted this now..? > > for pitys sake.. > > AD > >

tried opengl? installed the drivers properly?? tried http://www.nasscar.org/downloads/Tweaks%20for%20NR2003.htm ? What's your bios config, etc etc "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > twenties somewhere. > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > seems very strange to me. > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > of cars I see ahead. > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > SkykingUSA

auto-sync off? "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > twenties somewhere. > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > seems very strange to me. > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > of cars I see ahead. > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > SkykingUSA

The first thing I'd guess at when changes to video settings don't affect the framerate is that the system is CPU limited rather than limited by the graphics card? Achim "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you!

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bee2ko$451i1$[email hidden]... > The first thing I'd guess at when changes to video settings don't affectthe > framerate is that the system is CPU limited rather than limited by the > graphics card? > > Achim All second that. A 1.8 ghz is pretty light for that video card. Does the frame rate go up in testing/multipler? With no AI load for the CPU it should. MadDAWG

You are cpu limited. Your cpu can't pump data to the video card fast enough to slow down the video card. You can either run with the max settings and be happy with it or get a faster cpu. NR2003 is a very cpu intensive game. -Tim "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > twenties somewhere. > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > seems very strange to me. > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > of cars I see ahead. > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > SkykingUSA

I think you guys are correct. I do get a big fps boost (up to 70 in some cases) when I am driving during practice, or when there is no one in front of me. I suppose my CPU handles the car positioning or something, so my video card is not getting the information fast enough. Thanks for all the help you guys! By the way, I did have vsynch on, but turned it off, to no effect. More support for the, "my CPU is the bottleneck" theory. Thanks again. SkykingUSA "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bee2ko$451i1$[email hidden]... > > The first thing I'd guess at when changes to video settings don't affect > the > > framerate is that the system is CPU limited rather than limited by the > > graphics card? > > > > Achim > > > All second that. A 1.8 ghz is pretty light for that video card. > > Does the frame rate go up in testing/multipler? With no AI load for the CPU > it should. > > MadDAWG

I did try OpenGL and my results were even lower fps than with DirectX. Thanks. Jason Pitts "Guido Mielekamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<aMtOa.171146$[email hidden]>...

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> tried opengl? installed the drivers properly?? tried > http://www.nasscar.org/downloads/Tweaks%20for%20NR2003.htm ? What's your > bios config, etc etc > "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:[email hidden]... > > I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > > twenties somewhere. > > > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > > seems very strange to me. > > > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > > of cars I see ahead. > > > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > > > SkykingUSA

Thank you all for the information. I just acquired a 2.4 GHz system which I will try. Hopefully, you are all correct (and I think you are), and I will definitely see an improvement in performance. I can hardly wait to try it out! If you have a chance, please see my other post regarding F1 2002 - I could use some ideas regarding my problem with that game too. Thanks! SkykingUSA "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> You are cpu limited. Your cpu can't pump data to the video card fast enough > to slow down the video card. You can either run with the max settings and > be happy with it or get a faster cpu. NR2003 is a very cpu intensive game. > > -Tim > > "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > > twenties somewhere. > > > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > > seems very strange to me. > > > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > > of cars I see ahead. > > > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > > > SkykingUSA

On 7 Jul 2003 16:11:34 -0700, [email hidden] (SkykingUSA) wrote:

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>My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro >version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play >Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 >fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never >drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the >twenties somewhere. >

I just got hold of a 9700 Pro today and have just been doing some testing. The rest of my system is an AMD XP2500+ Barton, 768MB PC2700 RAM and ASUS A7V333 Mobo. I run NR2003 at 1280x960, 4xFSAA, 8xAF with all game graphic options maxxed with 43 cars on the track. The framerate ranges from 35 when up close and personal with the pack (cockpit view) to about 65 when I am on my own. Am very happy with the 9700 Pro so far. Andrew.

Thanks for sharing your results. It sure sounds like Nascar 2003 is heavily CPU dependent. I just acquired a 2.4 GHz 768MB RAM box and will try my 9700 on it tonight (I hope). I too will share my results with this group. I am expecting to see performance similar to what you are seeing, but I think my memory is just PC133, so I may be slower, but it should be better than with my old 1.8 processor. I will share my results when I have them! Thanks again. SkykingUSA aep@nospam writeme.com wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> On 7 Jul 2003 16:11:34 -0700, [email hidden] (SkykingUSA) > wrote: > > >My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > >version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > >Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > >fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > >drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > >twenties somewhere. > > > I just got hold of a 9700 Pro today and have just been doing some > testing. The rest of my system is an AMD XP2500+ Barton, 768MB PC2700 > RAM and ASUS A7V333 Mobo. I run NR2003 at 1280x960, 4xFSAA, 8xAF with > all game graphic options maxxed with 43 cars on the track. The > framerate ranges from 35 when up close and personal with the pack > (cockpit view) to about 65 when I am on my own. Am very happy with the > 9700 Pro so far. > > Andrew.

For all you who are interested, I thought I'd post my results here. Well, I installed the game and my new Radeon 9700 card on another system: P4 2.4 GHz 768 MB RAM AGP 4x Radeon 9700 (non-pro version) Catalyst 3.5 drivers Catalyst settings: AA: 4x AF: 16x Vsynch:On Resolution: 1280x960 32-bit in a window Windows XP Pro Default in game options except where noted below 42 cars visible in front (only 28 in the race though) 14 sounds Extreme Texture level When I play Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 35 fps now (22 with my other 1.8 GHz system). During the race, my fps is usually in the 30s, 40s or 50s and has gone as high as 102 when I'm facing the outside wall in a corner (not a desireable position, but great for performance!). I am surprised that this game is so CPU intensive. I would have thought it would be more like the 3D shooter games I am used to playing like Unreal, Quake, Return to Castle Wolfenstien. In those games it always appeared to be restricted by my video card, not my CPU. Well, thanks to this newsgroup, I decided not to return my video card, but to upgrade my processor and now I have a great gaming environment! Thanks a ton to all of you who took the time to respond - damn, I love the internet. SkykingUSA "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> You are cpu limited. Your cpu can't pump data to the video card fast enough > to slow down the video card. You can either run with the max settings and > be happy with it or get a faster cpu. NR2003 is a very cpu intensive game. > > -Tim > > "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > > twenties somewhere. > > > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > > seems very strange to me. > > > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > > of cars I see ahead. > > > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > > > SkykingUSA

On 10 Jul 2003 10:50:05 -0700, [email hidden] (SkykingUSA) wrote: >I am surprised that this game is so CPU intensive. I would have >thought it would be more like the 3D shooter games I am used to >playing like Unreal, Quake, Return to Castle Wolfenstien. In those >games it always appeared to be restricted by my video card, not my >CPU. >The game is doing a good job of realistically simulating the physics, including aerodynamics, of up to 43 cars at once, plus adding AI calculations into the mix. That takes an awful lot of CPU power. Unreal based games were always CPU bound until about 3 years ago when CPU's came out that could handle it. Quake based games are always more fill rate reliant. Andrew.

Turn v-sync off,that'll help <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 10 Jul 2003 10:50:05 -0700, [email hidden] (SkykingUSA) > wrote: > > >I am surprised that this game is so CPU intensive. I would have > >thought it would be more like the 3D shooter games I am used to > >playing like Unreal, Quake, Return to Castle Wolfenstien. In those > >games it always appeared to be restricted by my video card, not my > >CPU. > > > The game is doing a good job of realistically simulating the physics, > including aerodynamics, of up to 43 cars at once, plus adding AI > calculations into the mix. That takes an awful lot of CPU power. > > Unreal based games were always CPU bound until about 3 years ago when > CPU's came out that could handle it. Quake based games are always more > fill rate reliant. > > Andrew.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:56:32 GMT, "jwilson54" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Turn v-sync off,that'll help Why? My framerate never gets over my refresh rate, and if it did I don't like tearing. Andrew.

Glad to hear your results are good. You might want to try moving up to 6x AA. If your bottleneck is still the cpu then you could put more work on your graphic card by moving to 6X and it shouldn't cost you any FPS. If your fps go down significantly, then you are probably already at that sweet spot. First person shooters generally are graphic card limited because they have a large amount of high detailed art/textures on your screen at one time. Racing games generally are cpu intensive because of the calculations required for the physic model and the most high detail textures are in the cars which only gets high when you are in close proximity of a large group of cars. Most of your screen real estate is your cockpit and sky which isn't a big load on your graphics card anyway. -Tim "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> For all you who are interested, I thought I'd post my results here. > > Well, I installed the game and my new Radeon 9700 card on another > system: > > P4 2.4 GHz > 768 MB RAM > AGP 4x > Radeon 9700 (non-pro version) > Catalyst 3.5 drivers > Catalyst settings: AA: 4x AF: 16x Vsynch:On > Resolution: 1280x960 32-bit in a window > Windows XP Pro > Default in game options except where noted below > 42 cars visible in front (only 28 in the race though) > 14 sounds > Extreme Texture level > > When I play Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at > around 35 fps now (22 with my other 1.8 GHz system). During the race, > my fps is usually in the 30s, 40s or 50s and has gone as high as 102 > when I'm facing the outside wall in a corner (not a desireable > position, but great for performance!). > > I am surprised that this game is so CPU intensive. I would have > thought it would be more like the 3D shooter games I am used to > playing like Unreal, Quake, Return to Castle Wolfenstien. In those > games it always appeared to be restricted by my video card, not my > CPU. > > Well, thanks to this newsgroup, I decided not to return my video card, > but to upgrade my processor and now I have a great gaming environment! > Thanks a ton to all of you who took the time to respond - damn, I > love the internet. > > SkykingUSA > > > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>... > > You are cpu limited. Your cpu can't pump data to the video card fastenough > > to slow down the video card. You can either run with the max settingsand > > be happy with it or get a faster cpu. NR2003 is a very cpu intensivegame.

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> > > > -Tim > > > > "SkykingUSA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I am having problems with Nascar 2003 and my new Radeon 9700 video > > > card. Anyone, please tell me if this sounds correct to you! > > > > > > My system is a 1.8 GHz P4, 512 MB RAM, AGP 4x, Radeon 9700 (non-pro > > > version). I have installed the Catalyst 3.5 drivers. When I play > > > Nascar 2003, I start the race at the back of the pack at around 22 > > > fps. In-game options are all default. During the race, my fps never > > > drops below 18 and has gone as high as 52, but usually is in the > > > twenties somewhere. > > > > > > The kicker (and what I don't understand) is this: I get this same > > > performance (within 3 fps) when I run at 800x600 or at 1600x1200. I > > > also get this same performance whether I have my Catalyst driver > > > settings at the minimum (max performance) or at the maximum (max > > > quality - which by the was is at 4X AA and 8X Anis. Filtering). This > > > seems very strange to me. > > > > > > The only way for me to adjust my fps, is to adjust the in game > > > options. For example, I can increase framerate by reducing the number > > > of cars I see ahead. > > > > > > This is driving me crazy! Why is my framerate not changing when I > > > change the resolution and driver settings?! Should I return my card? > > > Do I have a faulty card? HELP! > > > > > > SkykingUSA