netKar Beta 0.99 with MULTIPLAYER support -- release date set for 14 July 2003

FYI, the Beta 0.99 version of netKar is due to be released on July 14, 2003. There's not much talk here in the R.A.S. newsgroup about netKar, but it is a real gem, physics-wise, and I'm surprised it hasn't generated more discussion. The Beta 0.99 version will feature online multiplayer support, and that, combined with the awesome physics modeling by Kunos, should help make netKar a GPL-caliber classic (IMO). Here was the announcement posted by Schummy1 on the Racesim Central netKar forum: <A HREF="http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91980">netKar 0.9. <BLOCKQUOTE>Time's up! It's a long story but it would be wise to read it as it's important. The famous 0.9.9 version is ready but it has to be considered as a BETA version. For the last weeks we have tried to resolve two very serious problems: <LI>Supra.dll file missing <LI>Server list Unfortunately none of this problems has being solved. Supra has being eliminated by this 0.9.9 BETA because Stefano didn't find the necessary time to fix it. That's because of his new job and moving to Japan that really upset his life. Server list problem: Our dedicated server should have hosted the server list (similar to VROC) but it hasn't yet arrived. That's why yesterday night me and Aris tried to verify the function of the server list in our computers. Unfortunately there was nothing to do. By error the server list program has hard coded inside it an IP number that points to a fixed site and cannot be modified now without kunos help. We will still try to search for a solution till Monday, but we can't promise much. The host game server also seems to suffer from some problems regarding the number of clients and can't be fixed for the moment. All said and done, we ask you to have a little more patience and please forgive us for all this delay. You must consider this as a BETA version We won't see Version 1.0 (or whatever the name is going to be) before October, wishing that Stefano finds the time and will to work again with us. We tried everything we could but that's all we can deliver. The 0.9.9 "namie" BETA is going to be published on Monday 14 July evening time CET. This because if we wanted to resolve all problems the release date had to be delayed more until September or even further. We hope that you will appreciate the fact that we WANT you to play with this version and that is what pushed us to release the non perfect 0.9.9 We thank you in advance and we ask you to wait until 14 July for the release Thank you _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Luca Casarotto AKA Schummy1 [email hidden] News & Factory, Forum's Administrator DrivingItalia.NET www.drivingitalia.net </BLOCKQUOTE> And here is the netKar Multiplayer tutoral as posted on the Racesim Central netKar forum by Aristotelis: <BLOCKQUOTE> Ok friends. So to keep you occupied while you wait for the 0.9.9, and since I'm sure you WON'T READ the readme, helpme, justopenme files... here is a tutorial on how to setup the server. You will find the file nkservercfg.ini in the root netkar directory. This is the file that controls the server behavior. Follows the options with explanations which you can't insert inside the .ini file. [CONFIGURATION] MODE=1----------------------------;// MODE: 1=PRACTICE-qual then race 2=only RACE DROPOFS=0------------------------;always0 MAXCLIENTS=10-------------------;number of clients USEFAKECLIENT=0-----------------;always 0 ACCEPTVERSION=106-------------;leave as is NAME=The flying pig---------------;name of the server TRACK=newbury--------------------;track name CAR=modena_street;supra-------;Cars accepted separated by ";" RACELAPS=4------------------------;numbers of laps in race WAITTIME=100----------------------;time in seconds for race start PRACTICETIME=10-----------------;time in minutes for qualifying session MAXVALIDLAPS=12----------------;number of valid laps in qualifying (i.e. best 12) PASSWORD=------------------------;password ADMINPASSWORD=ayumi---------;boss password SENDTIME=125---------------------;Frequency of server updating in miliseconds.For LANS please try lower values. minimum 30 REGISTER=0------------------------;Register host to main server list. 0=no, 1=yes MINQUALIFYLAPS=0----------------;minimum laps to do for qualify (0=always qualify) Please post your questions (if you have any) and we'll try to answer as fast as we can. (and if we can of course hehehe) cheers _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Aristotelis "Aris" Vasilakos Physics testing for netKar Moderator netkar forum Drivingitalia.net crew DrivingItalia.NET [email hidden] </BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, netkar is just awesome, I can't wait until July 14, best physics in any sim out. "jbodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> FYI, the Beta 0.99 version of netKar is due to be released on July 14, > 2003. There's not much talk here in the R.A.S. newsgroup about > netKar, but it is a real gem, physics-wise, and I'm surprised it > hasn't generated more discussion. The Beta 0.99 version will feature > online multiplayer support, and that, combined with the awesome > physics modeling by Kunos, should help make netKar a GPL-caliber > classic (IMO). > > Here was the announcement posted by Schummy1 on the Racesim Central > netKar forum: > > > <A

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> 0.9. > > <BLOCKQUOTE>Time's up! It's a long story but it would be wise to read > it as it's important. > > The famous 0.9.9 version is ready but it has to be considered as a > BETA version. > For the last weeks we have tried to resolve two very serious problems: > > > <LI>Supra.dll file missing > > <LI>Server list > > > Unfortunately none of this problems has being solved. Supra has being > eliminated by this 0.9.9 BETA because Stefano didn't find the > necessary time to fix it. That's because of his new job and moving to > Japan that really upset his life. > > Server list problem: Our dedicated server should have hosted the > server list (similar to VROC) but it hasn't yet arrived. That's why > yesterday night me and Aris tried to verify the function of the server > list in our computers. Unfortunately there was nothing to do. By error > the server list program has hard coded inside it an IP number that > points to a fixed site and cannot be modified now without kunos help. > We will still try to search for a solution till Monday, but we can't > promise much. > > The host game server also seems to suffer from some problems regarding > the number of clients and can't be fixed for the moment. > > All said and done, we ask you to have a little more patience and > please forgive us for all this delay. You must consider this as a BETA > version > > We won't see Version 1.0 (or whatever the name is going to be) before > October, wishing that Stefano finds the time and will to work again > with us. > > We tried everything we could but that's all we can deliver. > > The 0.9.9 "namie" BETA is going to be published on Monday 14 July > evening time CET. This because if we wanted to resolve all problems > the release date had to be delayed more until September or even > further. > > We hope that you will appreciate the fact that we WANT you to play > with this version and that is what pushed us to release the non > perfect 0.9.9 > > We thank you in advance and we ask you to wait until 14 July for the > release > > Thank you > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Luca Casarotto AKA Schummy1 > [email hidden] > News & Factory, > Forum's Administrator > DrivingItalia.NET > www.drivingitalia.net > </BLOCKQUOTE> > > And here is the netKar Multiplayer tutoral as posted on the Racesim > Central netKar forum by Aristotelis: > > > <BLOCKQUOTE> > Ok friends. So to keep you occupied while you wait for the 0.9.9, and > since I'm sure you WON'T READ the readme, helpme, justopenme files... > here is a tutorial on how to setup the server. > > You will find the file nkservercfg.ini in the root netkar directory. > This is the file that controls the server behavior. Follows the > options with explanations which you can't insert inside the .ini file. > > [CONFIGURATION] > MODE=1----------------------------;// MODE: 1=PRACTICE-qual then race > 2=only RACE > DROPOFS=0------------------------;always0 > MAXCLIENTS=10-------------------;number of clients > USEFAKECLIENT=0-----------------;always 0 > ACCEPTVERSION=106-------------;leave as is > NAME=The flying pig---------------;name of the server > TRACK=newbury--------------------;track name > CAR=modena_street;supra-------;Cars accepted separated by ";" > RACELAPS=4------------------------;numbers of laps in race > WAITTIME=100----------------------;time in seconds for race start > PRACTICETIME=10-----------------;time in minutes for qualifying > session > MAXVALIDLAPS=12----------------;number of valid laps in qualifying > (i.e. best 12) > PASSWORD=------------------------;password > ADMINPASSWORD=ayumi---------;boss password > SENDTIME=125---------------------;Frequency of server updating in > miliseconds.For LANS please try lower values. minimum 30 > REGISTER=0------------------------;Register host to main server list. > 0=no, 1=yes > MINQUALIFYLAPS=0----------------;minimum laps to do for qualify > (0=always qualify) > > > Please post your questions (if you have any) and we'll try to answer > as fast as we can. (and if we can of course hehehe) > > cheers > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Aristotelis "Aris" Vasilakos > Physics testing for netKar > Moderator netkar forum > Drivingitalia.net crew > DrivingItalia.NET > [email hidden] > </BLOCKQUOTE>

totally agree with both you guys, a great free sim with some great addon tracks and some really nice cars to boot! jonathan "senojm23" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I agree, netkar is just awesome, I can't wait until July 14, > best physics in any sim out. > "jbodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > FYI, the Beta 0.99 version of netKar is due to be released on July 14, > > 2003. There's not much talk here in the R.A.S. newsgroup about > > netKar, but it is a real gem, physics-wise, and I'm surprised it > > hasn't generated more discussion. The Beta 0.99 version will feature > > online multiplayer support, and that, combined with the awesome > > physics modeling by Kunos, should help make netKar a GPL-caliber > > classic (IMO). > > > > Here was the announcement posted by Schummy1 on the Racesim Central > > netKar forum: > > > > > > <A >

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> ar > > 0.9. > > > > <BLOCKQUOTE>Time's up! It's a long story but it would be wise to read > > it as it's important. > > > > The famous 0.9.9 version is ready but it has to be considered as a > > BETA version. > > For the last weeks we have tried to resolve two very serious problems: > > > > > > <LI>Supra.dll file missing > > > > <LI>Server list > > > > > > Unfortunately none of this problems has being solved. Supra has being > > eliminated by this 0.9.9 BETA because Stefano didn't find the > > necessary time to fix it. That's because of his new job and moving to > > Japan that really upset his life. > > > > Server list problem: Our dedicated server should have hosted the > > server list (similar to VROC) but it hasn't yet arrived. That's why > > yesterday night me and Aris tried to verify the function of the server > > list in our computers. Unfortunately there was nothing to do. By error > > the server list program has hard coded inside it an IP number that > > points to a fixed site and cannot be modified now without kunos help. > > We will still try to search for a solution till Monday, but we can't > > promise much. > > > > The host game server also seems to suffer from some problems regarding > > the number of clients and can't be fixed for the moment. > > > > All said and done, we ask you to have a little more patience and > > please forgive us for all this delay. You must consider this as a BETA > > version > > > > We won't see Version 1.0 (or whatever the name is going to be) before > > October, wishing that Stefano finds the time and will to work again > > with us. > > > > We tried everything we could but that's all we can deliver. > > > > The 0.9.9 "namie" BETA is going to be published on Monday 14 July > > evening time CET. This because if we wanted to resolve all problems > > the release date had to be delayed more until September or even > > further. > > > > We hope that you will appreciate the fact that we WANT you to play > > with this version and that is what pushed us to release the non > > perfect 0.9.9 > > > > We thank you in advance and we ask you to wait until 14 July for the > > release > > > > Thank you > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > Luca Casarotto AKA Schummy1 > > [email hidden] > > News & Factory, > > Forum's Administrator > > DrivingItalia.NET > > www.drivingitalia.net > > </BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > And here is the netKar Multiplayer tutoral as posted on the Racesim > > Central netKar forum by Aristotelis: > > > > > > <BLOCKQUOTE> > > Ok friends. So to keep you occupied while you wait for the 0.9.9, and > > since I'm sure you WON'T READ the readme, helpme, justopenme files... > > here is a tutorial on how to setup the server. > > > > You will find the file nkservercfg.ini in the root netkar directory. > > This is the file that controls the server behavior. Follows the > > options with explanations which you can't insert inside the .ini file. > > > > [CONFIGURATION] > > MODE=1----------------------------;// MODE: 1=PRACTICE-qual then race > > 2=only RACE > > DROPOFS=0------------------------;always0 > > MAXCLIENTS=10-------------------;number of clients > > USEFAKECLIENT=0-----------------;always 0 > > ACCEPTVERSION=106-------------;leave as is > > NAME=The flying pig---------------;name of the server > > TRACK=newbury--------------------;track name > > CAR=modena_street;supra-------;Cars accepted separated by ";" > > RACELAPS=4------------------------;numbers of laps in race > > WAITTIME=100----------------------;time in seconds for race start > > PRACTICETIME=10-----------------;time in minutes for qualifying > > session > > MAXVALIDLAPS=12----------------;number of valid laps in qualifying > > (i.e. best 12) > > PASSWORD=------------------------;password > > ADMINPASSWORD=ayumi---------;boss password > > SENDTIME=125---------------------;Frequency of server updating in > > miliseconds.For LANS please try lower values. minimum 30 > > REGISTER=0------------------------;Register host to main server list. > > 0=no, 1=yes > > MINQUALIFYLAPS=0----------------;minimum laps to do for qualify > > (0=always qualify) > > > > > > Please post your questions (if you have any) and we'll try to answer > > as fast as we can. (and if we can of course hehehe) > > > > cheers > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > Aristotelis "Aris" Vasilakos > > Physics testing for netKar > > Moderator netkar forum > > Drivingitalia.net crew > > DrivingItalia.NET > > [email hidden] > > </BLOCKQUOTE> > >

"jbodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> FYI, the Beta 0.99 version of netKar is due to be released on July 14, > 2003. There's not much talk here in the R.A.S. newsgroup about > netKar, but it is a real gem, physics-wise, and I'm surprised it > hasn't generated more discussion. The Beta 0.99 version will feature > online multiplayer support, and that, combined with the awesome > physics modeling by Kunos, should help make netKar a GPL-caliber > classic (IMO). > > Here was the announcement posted by Schummy1 on the Racesim Central > netKar forum: > >

Odd, Live for Speed has set its release date as the week of July 14th. Coincidence? Anyhow, I've tried both and would have to give the edge to LFS. LFS just feels better and has superb support and multiplayer. Alanb

> Odd, Live for Speed has set its release date as the week of July 14th. > Coincidence? Anyhow, I've tried both and would have to give the edge to > LFS. LFS just feels better and has superb support and multiplayer. > > Alanb You should try one of the new netkar versions as they are much better than the older ones. For me netkar, together with N2003 and perhaps F1C gives the most believable driving experience on a PC today. The whole philosphy of netkar was to make driving on a PC as realistic as possible with no compromises. LFS is not bad, but especially the tyre model isn't en par with netkar - make a couple of laps with netkar's modena and then change to LFS turbo and you'll see ;-) Of course it's not as polished (and still in development) as the commercial sims, but hey it's an one-man-spare-time project!

I keep repeating it : Netkar is the best sim ever ! Period. "jbodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> FYI, the Beta 0.99 version of netKar is due to be released on July 14, > 2003. There's not much talk here in the R.A.S. newsgroup about > netKar, but it is a real gem, physics-wise, and I'm surprised it > hasn't generated more discussion. The Beta 0.99 version will feature > online multiplayer support, and that, combined with the awesome > physics modeling by Kunos, should help make netKar a GPL-caliber > classic (IMO). > > Here was the announcement posted by Schummy1 on the Racesim Central > netKar forum: > > > <A

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> 0.9. > > <BLOCKQUOTE>Time's up! It's a long story but it would be wise to read > it as it's important. > > The famous 0.9.9 version is ready but it has to be considered as a > BETA version. > For the last weeks we have tried to resolve two very serious problems: > > > <LI>Supra.dll file missing > > <LI>Server list > > > Unfortunately none of this problems has being solved. Supra has being > eliminated by this 0.9.9 BETA because Stefano didn't find the > necessary time to fix it. That's because of his new job and moving to > Japan that really upset his life. > > Server list problem: Our dedicated server should have hosted the > server list (similar to VROC) but it hasn't yet arrived. That's why > yesterday night me and Aris tried to verify the function of the server > list in our computers. Unfortunately there was nothing to do. By error > the server list program has hard coded inside it an IP number that > points to a fixed site and cannot be modified now without kunos help. > We will still try to search for a solution till Monday, but we can't > promise much. > > The host game server also seems to suffer from some problems regarding > the number of clients and can't be fixed for the moment. > > All said and done, we ask you to have a little more patience and > please forgive us for all this delay. You must consider this as a BETA > version > > We won't see Version 1.0 (or whatever the name is going to be) before > October, wishing that Stefano finds the time and will to work again > with us. > > We tried everything we could but that's all we can deliver. > > The 0.9.9 "namie" BETA is going to be published on Monday 14 July > evening time CET. This because if we wanted to resolve all problems > the release date had to be delayed more until September or even > further. > > We hope that you will appreciate the fact that we WANT you to play > with this version and that is what pushed us to release the non > perfect 0.9.9 > > We thank you in advance and we ask you to wait until 14 July for the > release > > Thank you > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Luca Casarotto AKA Schummy1 > [email hidden] > News & Factory, > Forum's Administrator > DrivingItalia.NET > www.drivingitalia.net > </BLOCKQUOTE> > > And here is the netKar Multiplayer tutoral as posted on the Racesim > Central netKar forum by Aristotelis: > > > <BLOCKQUOTE> > Ok friends. So to keep you occupied while you wait for the 0.9.9, and > since I'm sure you WON'T READ the readme, helpme, justopenme files... > here is a tutorial on how to setup the server. > > You will find the file nkservercfg.ini in the root netkar directory. > This is the file that controls the server behavior. Follows the > options with explanations which you can't insert inside the .ini file. > > [CONFIGURATION] > MODE=1----------------------------;// MODE: 1=PRACTICE-qual then race > 2=only RACE > DROPOFS=0------------------------;always0 > MAXCLIENTS=10-------------------;number of clients > USEFAKECLIENT=0-----------------;always 0 > ACCEPTVERSION=106-------------;leave as is > NAME=The flying pig---------------;name of the server > TRACK=newbury--------------------;track name > CAR=modena_street;supra-------;Cars accepted separated by ";" > RACELAPS=4------------------------;numbers of laps in race > WAITTIME=100----------------------;time in seconds for race start > PRACTICETIME=10-----------------;time in minutes for qualifying > session > MAXVALIDLAPS=12----------------;number of valid laps in qualifying > (i.e. best 12) > PASSWORD=------------------------;password > ADMINPASSWORD=ayumi---------;boss password > SENDTIME=125---------------------;Frequency of server updating in > miliseconds.For LANS please try lower values. minimum 30 > REGISTER=0------------------------;Register host to main server list. > 0=no, 1=yes > MINQUALIFYLAPS=0----------------;minimum laps to do for qualify > (0=always qualify) > > > Please post your questions (if you have any) and we'll try to answer > as fast as we can. (and if we can of course hehehe) > > cheers > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Aristotelis "Aris" Vasilakos > Physics testing for netKar > Moderator netkar forum > Drivingitalia.net crew > DrivingItalia.NET > [email hidden] > </BLOCKQUOTE>

That is indeed an opinion you are welcome to. I find it interesting but totally unrewarding and moving from the Modena in netkar to the Modena in GTR2002( or 360C) shows how far that netkar has to go yet. AD

You're comparing a street spec car to a racecar, so even if they got the same names the handling is a lot different, don't forget that... Wojtek > I find it interesting but totally unrewarding and moving from the Modenain > netkar to the Modena in GTR2002( or 360C) shows how far that netkar has to > go yet. > > AD > >

The only thing I dont like about this game is that I have a terrible time judging my speed approaching a corner, so i usually dont make it. When I get my car under control its great fun.

Couldn't agree more. Netkar + F1C + N2003 + LFS = sim heaven.

i think its more like Netkar + F1C + N2003 + LFS = sim heaven - CART2003

Netkar + F1C + N2003 + LFS = sim heaven - CART2003 - (a serious rally sim) ;-)

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:37:04 GMT, Trick Dacy wrote: > I keep repeating it : Netkar is the best sim ever ! Period. > Does it still require DX9.x? Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:37:04 GMT, Trick Dacy wrote: > > I keep repeating it : Netkar is the best sim ever ! Period. > > > > Does it still require DX9.x? Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated...

"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:37:04 GMT, Trick Dacy wrote: > > > I keep repeating it : Netkar is the best sim ever ! Period. > > > > > > > Does it still require DX9.x? > > Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated...

Hehe! :-D Er, are you referring to assimilation by DX9, or by netKar, Steve? I finally broke down and installe DX9 just so I could check out netKar -- I enjoyed LFS, but Racer was a bit of a disappointment. I checked around to make sure that DX9 wouldn't mess up my performance with GPL or any other sims, and then I went ahead and bit the bullet. I haven't noticed any gains with DX9, but at least I haven't seen any degradation in performance anywhere, either. That said, I'm enjoying the heck out of netKar -- it was worth installing DX9 just to get my hands on this delightful little gem. If you haven't checked it out yet, I highly recommend that you do so immediately. ;-) TTYL! -- JCB

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> > "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:37:04 GMT, Trick Dacy wrote: > > > > I keep repeating it : Netkar is the best sim ever ! Period. > > > > > > > > > > Does it still require DX9.x? > > > > Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated... > > Hehe! > > :-D > > Er, are you referring to assimilation by DX9, or by netKar, Steve? I > finally broke down and installe DX9 just so I could check out netKar > -- I enjoyed LFS, but Racer was a bit of a disappointment. I checked > around to make sure that DX9 wouldn't mess up my performance with GPL > or any other sims, and then I went ahead and bit the bullet. I > haven't noticed any gains with DX9, but at least I haven't seen any > degradation in performance anywhere, either. > > That said, I'm enjoying the heck out of netKar -- it was worth > installing DX9 just to get my hands on this delightful little gem. If > you haven't checked it out yet, I highly recommend that you do so > immediately.

Assimilation by The Bill, of course - not to be confused with The Borg, who are just amateurs. But I never had any problems with DX9 here either, even on my retro 98SE OS... ;-) Yup; Netkar is a lovely piece of work, and amazing considering the source. No team of coders, just one guy with talent and vision. Seems that's how all good and true things come into being initially. But with Stefano's move to Japan, it looks like the true VROC-style multiplayer everyone's been hoping for will have to wait a bit. Too bad; the Formula Renaults promise some great drafting battles. But heck; I'm still happy to wait for RL, so I surely don't mind waiting for NK too. As long as they get something going by the end of bike-racing season this Fall! ;-) SB (though I must admit I'm a bit anxious to try Papy's take on Trans Am cars...)

On 11 Jul 2003 23:40:49 -0700, [email hidden] (jbodin) wrote:

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>Er, are you referring to assimilation by DX9, or by netKar, Steve? I >finally broke down and installe DX9 just so I could check out netKar >-- I enjoyed LFS, but Racer was a bit of a disappointment. I checked >around to make sure that DX9 wouldn't mess up my performance with GPL >or any other sims, and then I went ahead and bit the bullet. I >haven't noticed any gains with DX9, but at least I haven't seen any >degradation in performance anywhere, either. >

So, would you say it's safe by now to install DX9? -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

> So, would you say it's safe by now to install DX9? Probably. I've seen DX9 refuse to install properly on some win9x systems but I haven't seen it render a system unusable. That said, anyone who puts so much reliance on Windows not to fail is asking for trouble. I wouldn't use MSWindows without a disk-image backup program if you paid me.