netkar and dx8.1

Is there any way to force netkar99 to work with dx 8.1? Complaints here about dx9 convinced me not to install it, but so many demos refuse to run without it... Thanks for any ideas. My system: winXP, ATI Radeon 9700 video card, Audio Audigy sound card, Pentium 4. Sean

"Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf5sf6$ac0$[email hidden]... > Is there any way to force netkar99 to work with dx 8.1? Complaints here > about dx9 convinced me not to install it, but so many demos refuse to run > without it... Thanks for any ideas. My system: winXP, ATI Radeon 9700 > video card, Audio Audigy sound card, Pentium 4. > Nope, it'll never EVER EVER work - it was written with the dx9 software dev kit. Install Dx9, i have it on both my machines with no probs Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

Use dx9 it works fine with all games and with either win98 or winxp dan "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf5sf6$ac0$[email hidden]...

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> Is there any way to force netkar99 to work with dx 8.1? Complaints here > about dx9 convinced me not to install it, but so many demos refuse to run > without it... Thanks for any ideas. My system: winXP, ATI Radeon 9700 > video card, Audio Audigy sound card, Pentium 4. > > Sean > >

Be warned! DX9 is some of the most dangerous software known to man! Install it at your peril. Anyone who even considers installing it should be considered a real dare-devil. j/k ;-)

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:38:18 GMT, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Be warned! DX9 is some of the most dangerous software known to man! >Install it at your peril. Anyone who even considers installing it should be >considered a real dare-devil. >That coming from someone who uses Outlook Express - ROFL! Not had a single with DX9 problem with it myself. Andrew.

No offense but anyone who has probs with direct x prolly needs to take a basic computer course...i know about 20 ppl with dx9 and no-one has had a prob except one dude who had never used a pc before dan "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u0vRa.406$[email hidden]... > Be warned! DX9 is some of the most dangerous software known to man! > Install it at your peril. Anyone who even considers installing it shouldbe

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> considered a real dare-devil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > j/k > > ;-) > >

From my limited problems with customers i can say that nothing will ever surprise me. The installation of DirectX8.0 whilst doing a defrag whilst doing a Spybot search whilst playing mp3's on WMP springs to mind. The Norton Utilities man who thought it best to run its routine once an hour "..just in case.." The woman who was burning a cd when her scheduled maintenance started and it locked her pc solid,including no response whatsoever to the on off button.She was in too much of a flap to think of disconnecting from the wall. And this weeks,in fact last nights is the lady who had a cd drive fitted when i made up the machine,two days later she rings saying her dvd's dont work in it.At her stern request we swap the cd drive for a dvd drive. Last night she rings saying where can she buy the dvd equivalents of all her cd's as she 'obviously' cant use them now. Laugh...?....I cried. :) AD

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:58:50 +0100, "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>And this weeks,in fact last nights is the lady who had a cd drive fitted >when i made up the machine,two days later she rings saying her dvd's dont >work in it.At her stern request we swap the cd drive for a dvd drive. > >Last night she rings saying where can she buy the dvd equivalents of all her >cd's as she 'obviously' cant use them now. > >Laugh...?....I cried. :) >

Classic! My best one when doing tech support work was a financial analyst who worked on a city trading floor. He phones me up to say that a report he gets each morning sent to the printer by his desk wasn't there. I resend the report to his printer. He phones up to say it still isn't there. I go up to see him, look at the printer and see that it is turned off. I switch it on, the report prints and I hand it to him. What did you do he asked. I turned it on I said through gritted teeth. Why was it turned off he asks. I don't know I reply. How do I know if it is turned on he asks. Look at the lights I reply. Find out who turned it off he tells me - he sits in an openplan dealing room with about 200 people in it! Andrew.

<aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:38:18 GMT, "Damien Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Be warned! DX9 is some of the most dangerous software known to man! > >Install it at your peril. Anyone who even considers installing it shouldbe

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> >considered a real dare-devil. > > > That coming from someone who uses Outlook Express - ROFL! > > Not had a single with DX9 problem with it myself. > > Andrew.

Thats because the orig. poster was actually joking if you check the bottom of his post Doug

"Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf5usc$bjmil$[email hidden]... > No offense but anyone who has probs with direct x prolly needs to take a > basic computer course...i know about 20 ppl with dx9 and no-one has had a > prob except one dude who had never used a pc before > dan > He was actually joking - read ALL of his post Doug

> He was actually joking - read ALL of his post ::plonk::

> > He was actually joking - read ALL of his post > > ::plonk:: Dunno, I thought scrolling was covered in basic computer courses.....

The point is still valid..many ppl refuse to install dx9 through stupidity..just cause u tried to make a joke doesnt change this. Sorry i didnt scroll down to the bottom of your post looking for ;) it just isnt something im in the habit of searching for dan "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rvwRa.741$[email hidden]...

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> > > He was actually joking - read ALL of his post > > > > ::plonk:: > > Dunno, I thought scrolling was covered in basic computer courses..... > >

I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdown in framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F1 2k2 and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, Unreal, UT. Sean "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf5sf6$ac0$[email hidden]...

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> Is there any way to force netkar99 to work with dx 8.1? Complaints here > about dx9 convinced me not to install it, but so many demos refuse to run > without it... Thanks for any ideas. My system: winXP, ATI Radeon 9700 > video card, Audio Audigy sound card, Pentium 4. > > Sean > >

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:26:25 -0400, "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdown in >framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F1 2k2 >and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, >Unreal, UT. >I am not as much into retro gaming as you are, but in all the games I play I haven't seen a noticeable difference. Andrew.

"Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf64lk$n18$[email hidden]...

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> I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdown in > framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F1 2k2 > and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, > Unreal, UT. > > Sean > >

Hi Sean I had an increase of about 10% in my sim when I moved from directx 8 SDK to dx9. I am not sure if it was coincidence (although I benchmarked my sim just before and after), just my experience. Note this was on a DX8 game (i.e. not optimised to use dx9 features). I play GPL / F1 Champ / netKar / LFS / HL (counterstrike) + UT on occasion and have had no probs with dx9 (on both of my PCs - Racing + Development (and FPS)) There are always risks when installing any software, and you may need to fiddle a little with driver updates etc, but I think on the whole its worth it. Also, for the sheer good racing I had the other night with netKar online, I think its worth it for netKar alone. I will be moving Sirocco to dx9 pretty soon too. Good luck! :) All the best, Ash

it gives me a framerate speed up in most games even old dx7 games dan "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf64lk$n18$[email hidden]...

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> I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdown in > framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F1 2k2 > and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, > Unreal, UT. > > Sean > > > "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf5sf6$ac0$[email hidden]... > > Is there any way to force netkar99 to work with dx 8.1? Complaints here > > about dx9 convinced me not to install it, but so many demos refuse to

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> > without it... Thanks for any ideas. My system: winXP, ATI Radeon 9700 > > video card, Audio Audigy sound card, Pentium 4. > > > > Sean > > > > > >

Yeah, indeed I was mocking all those people who seem so terrified of DX9.

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MVwRa.774$[email hidden]... > Yeah, indeed I was mocking all those people who seem so terrified of DX9. > And two people didnt get that - which is why I posted!! Doug

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf665p$b0n01$[email hidden]... > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MVwRa.774$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, indeed I was mocking all those people who seem so terrified ofDX9.

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> > > > And two people didnt get that - which is why I posted!! > > Doug > >

Lol, misunderstandings all round methinks :)) All the best, Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com - i must make a sig

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:33:34 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:bf64lk$n18$[email hidden]... >> I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdown in >> framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F1 2k2 >> and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, >> Unreal, UT. >> >> Sean >> >> > >Hi Sean > >I had an increase of about 10% in my sim when I moved from directx 8 SDK to >dx9. I am not sure if it was coincidence (although I benchmarked my sim >just before and after), just my experience. Note this was on a DX8 game >(i.e. not optimised to use dx9 features). > >I play GPL / F1 Champ / netKar / LFS / HL (counterstrike) + UT on occasion >and have had no probs with dx9 (on both of my PCs - Racing + Development >(and FPS)) > >There are always risks when installing any software, and you may need to >fiddle a little with driver updates etc, but I think on the whole its worth >it. Also, for the sheer good racing I had the other night with netKar >online, I think its worth it for netKar alone. I will be moving Sirocco to >dx9 pretty soon too. > >Good luck! :) > >All the best, >Ash > >

OK, people, if you all are saying you haven't encountered problems so far, I'll finally give it a try... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"retro gaming?" ;) Sean <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:26:25 -0400, "Four furry fiends" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant slowdownin > >framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that I'm playing: F12k2

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> >and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, > >Unreal, UT. > > > I am not as much into retro gaming as you are, but in all the games I > play I haven't seen a noticeable difference. > > Andrew.

OK, maybe I'll try it. Why were there some threads asking how to roll back from DX9 to previous versions? Thanks for the replies. Sean

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:37:36 -0400, "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"retro gaming?" ;) >Most the games on your list are over 5 years old! I played most of them myself, and still have the occasional UT botmatch, but I tend to play modern games myself :-) Andrew,

I'm looking forward to playing: Half-Life 2, F1C, Quake 4, Tron (maybe), Call of Cthulhu... Sean <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:37:36 -0400, "Four furry fiends" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >"retro gaming?" ;) > > > Most the games on your list are over 5 years old! I played most of > them myself, and still have the occasional UT botmatch, but I tend to > play modern games myself :-) > > Andrew,

Four furry fiends wrote: > OK, maybe I'll try it. Why were there some threads asking how to > roll back from DX9 to previous versions? Thanks for the replies. > > Sean Four furry fiends wrote: > I got the impression from the NG that dx9 caused a significant > slowdown in framerate for many people... Does it? Games/sims that > I'm playing: F1 2k2 and several of it's mods, GPL, LFS, Half-Life, > Quake 1-3, NOLF 1 and 2, Unreal, UT. > > Sean Sry this may be too late, but FWIW, I moved to dx9 for netkar, had no change in N2003 (but that is to be expected 'cause I use OGL) & lost ~ 8% in F1C: Albert Park, rear of grid, most settings high or full ('cept shadows at Medium), went from 39-40 to 36 fps w/ no other changes other than the dx upgrade. :o( (yes, I checked to make sure all was the same) 98se (may be the reason I had differing results?) xp1800 o/c to 2000 levels GF3 ti200 o/c mildly 256 meg (another possible reason?) Do I regret the upgrade? Naw... netkar is worth it! -Brian

Thanks. I just "upgraded" to DX9, no problems so far... Sean

"B.Farmer" wrote...

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> <snip> > Sry this may be too late, but FWIW, I moved to dx9 for > netkar, had no change in N2003 (but that is to be expected > 'cause I use OGL) & lost ~ 8% in F1C: > > Albert Park, rear of grid, most settings high or full > ('cept shadows at Medium), went from 39-40 to 36 fps > w/ no other changes other than the dx upgrade. :o( > (yes, I checked to make sure all was the same) > > 98se (may be the reason I had differing results?)

Nah... I see zero difference between XP and 98se using the "same" DX and driver versions. Have you upgraded your video card drivers lately? -I was seeing framerate fluctuations with DX9 and the 30.xx drivers I was using, but recently (early June) Creative came out with 44.xx drivers for the GF3 Ti200 and that brought the fps back to previous levels. > xp1800 o/c to 2000 levels > GF3 ti200 o/c mildly > 256 meg (another possible reason?) > > Do I regret the upgrade? Naw... netkar is worth > it! On my todo list... Jan. =---

Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> "B.Farmer" wrote... >> <snip> >> 98se (may be the reason I had differing results?) > > Nah... I see zero difference between XP and 98se using the "same" DX > and driver versions. > > Have you upgraded your video card drivers lately? -I was seeing > framerate fluctuations with DX9 and the 30.xx drivers I was using, > but recently (early June) Creative came out with 44.xx drivers for > the GF3 Ti200 and that brought the fps back to previous levels. >

Lemme see... 44.03 :o/ <snip> -Brian

"B.Farmer" wrote... > > <snip> > > Lemme see... 44.03 :o/ I use 44.04 drivers... :o/ Jan. =---

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:33:20 -0400, "Four furry fiends" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks. I just "upgraded" to DX9, no problems so far... >None here, either. The only "problem" was finding the download for the complete installation file instead of that web installer... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"machf" wrote... > > <snip> > None here, either. The only "problem" was finding the > download for the complete installation file instead of > that web installer... Eh? -A search at microsoft.com for "directx 9.0 full download" yielded this link as the first "hit". http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=8510f9c3-1679-482b-b903-2352b58af584&displaylang=en For those on broadband the web installer works really well, in my experience, and you always get the latest version. Jan. =---

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:46:29 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"machf" wrote... >> > <snip> >> None here, either. The only "problem" was finding the >> download for the complete installation file instead of >> that web installer... > >Eh? -A search at microsoft.com for "directx 9.0 full download" yielded this >link as the first "hit". > >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=8510f9c3-1679-482b-b903-2352b58af584&displaylang=en >

Weird, when I searched for "directx 9" (or was it "9.0a") I could only find the web download. maybe it was because I was searching in the downloads section only... Anyway, I finally found it through a link elsewhere. -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

I just installed dx9 during the Tron multiplayer demo installation. Sean