NASCAR - borrrring!

Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably repetitive. Nats -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please.

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>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving >around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 >over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >racing for more than a few minutes. > >Theres just no strategy at all from what >I can see! >

Well then you don't understand racing in general...........

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>It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >repetitive. > >Nats > >-- >Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >[email hidden] > >"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > >Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > > > >

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:30:03 +0100, "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving >around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 >over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what >I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >repetitive. >

I bought the PC game Nascar Racing 2003 Season a couple of weeks ago, despite knowing nothing about Nascar previously. That game, apart from being great fun to play, gives you a very real appreciation of the sport. I have watched it subsequently on TV a couple of times, and I agree its not the pinnacle of motor sport to watch, but there is definitely a lot of strategy involved. You also get a lot more overtaking than F1. Andrew,

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>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving >around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 >over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what >I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >repetitive.

Some of us *enjoy* NASCAR(and other oval) racing. Different race series, different options, different choices. That's what makes it fun... Glad you have something *you* can enjoy watching. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The old adage immediately comes to mind. "Until you have walked a mile in my shoes." Pete <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:30:03 +0100, "Nats" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > >around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula1 > >over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > >racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> >I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > >mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > >repetitive. > > > I bought the PC game Nascar Racing 2003 Season a couple of weeks ago, > despite knowing nothing about Nascar previously. That game, apart from > being great fun to play, gives you a very real appreciation of the > sport. I have watched it subsequently on TV a couple of times, and I > agree its not the pinnacle of motor sport to watch, but there is > definitely a lot of strategy involved. You also get a lot more > overtaking than F1. > > Andrew,

It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't offer those two items. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice things up a little. I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please. "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... > It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't offer > those two items. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 439540 > http://www.Husted.cc > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > behind me." > - General George S. Patton > > > > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > > > Nats > > > > -- > > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > > [email hidden] > > > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > > > > > >

You're completely entitled to your opinion, but the EXACT same argument can be made like this against F1. Observe........

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> Just watched my first ever F1 race last night and god was it boring - driving > around the same track time after time. Im sure glad we have other forms of racing > over here (US). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive.

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> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

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>Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres >always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. >And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different >tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky >corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the >spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a >shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks >like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice >things up a little. > >I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in >front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more >entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after >week. > >Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point >in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. >

Again you aparently only have a passing knowledge of racing....... Every track is different. Even tracks with the same basic shape and length are different and require different setups, different stratigty, and different strong points. This is true for any type of racing with similar tracks. American or European. Thus my opinion of your knowledge of racing.........

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> >Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have >difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! >-- >Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >[email hidden] > >"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > >Remove NOSPAM to respond please. >"Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... > > >>It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't >> >> >offer > > >>those two items. >> >>-- >>Scott B. Husted >>ICQ# 439540 >>http://www.Husted.cc >>"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one >>behind me." >>- General George S. Patton >> >> >> >> >>"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... >> >> >>>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - >>> >>> >>driving >> >> >>>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula >>> >>> >1 > > >>>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >>>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from >>> >>> >>what >> >> >>>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >>>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >>>repetitive. >>> >>>Nats >>> >>>-- >>>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >>>[email hidden] >>> >>>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." >>> >>>Remove NOSPAM to respond please. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

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Like anything else in life, if you have a lack of knowledge and or understanding of any subject matter you will find it boring. Once you have attained said knowledge you still may not enjoy or like it but at least you will be able appreciate what is involved. Pete "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6v0m$s1e$[email hidden]... > Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plustheres > always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. > And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different > tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky > corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the > spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its justa > shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. Moretracks > like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice > things up a little. > > I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in > front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more > entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track weekafter > week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats thepoint

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> in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. > > Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have > difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden]

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> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. >

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"Nats" wrote: > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. I am not a fan of oval racing and Nascar in particular, but to say it lacks strategy is giving it a complete disservice. In fact that is why I don't really like it - I prefer an out and out sprint from green flag to chequered. Plus these guys are driving on the edge at very high speeds - but it just doesn't look as spectacular as low speed tail out stuff around slow corners and braking from 180 to 50 in other series. In true American style the rules are damned complex compared to most European series. Because of the garish colours and Days of Thunder presentation it appears very brutish and raw. Yet it is far more subtle and a thinking driver and crew can outperform faster combinations on their day which adds to the appeal. A pass can take laps to pull off, running side by side. Fascinating for some whilst I prefer to watch a BTCC out braking manouvre :) Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

"John Simmons" wrote: > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we haveFormula 1 > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kindof > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > Go here: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/help

Diplomatic as ever John :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

Nats wrote: <SNIP> > I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring <SNIP> Maybe, just maybe, that first race you popped your Nascar cherry on was a boring one? As for F1! I've had some of the deepest sleep I've ever known in between the the first lap and the last! > Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? No, dear boy, no. <SIGH> Gerry

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> In article <bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > >>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving >>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 >>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what >>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >>repetitive. >> > > > > Go here: > > http://www.paddedwall.org/help

Feeling better, John? ;) Gerry

>"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1 Get your facts straight. The race average this year is 17 pass per race in total, of every car on the track during the 2hour race. Monaco had absolutely NO pass made. Canada, 8. Imola, 4. But anyway, why the fuck do we have this converstation for the 100th time here? They are different motorsports, watch them or shut up. > Its just a shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. Straight -chicane... straight chicane... straight chicane.... straight slow set of corners? No thanks. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Man nats , your a piece of (work)!!! And in other news. People in the Middle East are still mad at each other, and the people that work on Wall Street still make more money than the people at McDonald's. Now to weather, we're expecting it throughout the remainder of the week. In sports, half the teams won while the other half lost. Also a drunken sports star was arrested for doing something he shouldn't have. Thank you for watching the 6 o'clock news, I'm Mr. Obvious. Good Night. :-) "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

Now...are you sure it wasn`t a baseball game you were watching? I still can`t believe that someone would have the guts to come in this newsgroup after watching a single race and state that Nascar is borring ESPECIALLY after the 2 snoozer years we just suffered in F1! I like both (Nascar and F1) and both require an incredible amount of strategies, tweakings, etc... No wonder you people in Europe like soccer (now THAT is a truly wimpy and borring sport!). Andre "Nats" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

> Feeling better, John? ;) > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot. You can't see that ?

You could say the same thing about F1 using your flawed philosophy: Why go to different tracks... they all just turn left and right and you end up at the same start/finish line anyways. They are all the same. In Oval racing - every track is different. You have different banking on the corners, you have different transitions from the corners onto the straights, on superspeedways you have drafting, on short tracks you have extreme door handle to door handle racing. You have heat/cold strategies in oval racing too. It greatly effects the handling of the cars, the grip of the tires, the HP of the motors, the amount of tape you put on the front grill effects downforce. You have hard braking at the short tracks along with high lateral forces on high bankings like Bristol. You have mechanical failures in all forms of motor racing. Unfortunately, parades are usually long and boring. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6v0m$s1e$[email hidden]... > Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres > always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. > And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different > tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky > corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the > spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a > shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks > like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice > things up a little. > > I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in > front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more > entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after > week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point > in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. > > Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have > difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... > > It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't > offer > > those two items. > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > ICQ# 439540 > > http://www.Husted.cc > > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > > behind me." > > - General George S. Patton > > > > > > > > > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > > driving > > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula > 1 > > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > > what > > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > > repetitive. > > > > > > Nats > > > > > > -- > > > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > > > > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> I still can`t believe that someone would have the guts to come in this > newsgroup after watching a single race and state that Nascar is borring > ESPECIALLY after the 2 snoozer years we just suffered in F1! I like both > (Nascar and F1) and both require an incredible amount of strategies, > tweakings, etc... No wonder you people in Europe like soccer (now THAT isa > truly wimpy and borring sport!). "You people in Europe" ? LOL. Yes we do like our "soccer" game. It's seems to be catching on in some other countries as well ! You never know, perhaps French Canadians may well turn out a "soccer" team one day. (..and get the shite kicked out of them by Outer Hebrides, or some other football super power)

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>>Feeling better, John? ;) >> > > > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? > Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot. You > can't see that ? > >

I ain't exactly John's best mate! So fuck off, you northern twat! :)

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> redTed wrote: > >>Feeling better, John? ;) > >> > > > > > > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? > > Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot.

You > > can't see that ? > > > > > > I ain't exactly John's best mate! So fuck off, you northern twat! :) lol.

Scott B. Husted® wrote: > It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't offer > those two items. F1 consists of one parade lap followed by one parade race. :) Gerry

How do you know??? LOL :-) Scott B. Husted� wrote:

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>You could say the same thing about F1 using your flawed philosophy: > >Why go to different tracks... they all just turn left and right and you end >up at the same start/finish line anyways. They are all the same. In Oval >racing - every track is different. You have different banking on the >corners, you have different transitions from the corners onto the >straights, on superspeedways you have drafting, on short tracks you have >extreme door handle to door handle racing. > >You have heat/cold strategies in oval racing too. It greatly effects the >handling of the cars, the grip of the tires, the HP of the motors, the >amount of tape you put on the front grill effects downforce. > >You have hard braking at the short tracks along with high lateral forces on >high bankings like Bristol. > >You have mechanical failures in all forms of motor racing. > >Unfortunately, parades are usually long and boring. > >-- >Scott B. Husted >ICQ# 439540 >http://www.Husted.cc >"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one >behind me." >- General George S. Patton > > >"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:bf6v0m$s1e$[email hidden]... > > >>Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus >> >> >theres > > >>always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. >>And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different >>tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky >>corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the >>spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just >> >> >a > > >>shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More >> >> >tracks > > >>like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice >>things up a little. >> >>I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in >>front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more >>entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week >> >> >after > > >>week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the >> >> >point > > >>in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. >> >>Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have >>difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! >>-- >>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >>[email hidden] >> >>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." >> >>Remove NOSPAM to respond please. >>"Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... >> >> >>>It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't >>> >>> >>offer >> >> >>>those two items. >>> >>>-- >>>Scott B. Husted >>>ICQ# 439540 >>>http://www.Husted.cc >>>"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one >>>behind me." >>>- General George S. Patton >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... >>> >>> >>>>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - >>>> >>>> >>>driving >>> >>> >>>>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have >>>> >>>> >Formula > > >>1 >> >> >>>>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind >>>> >>>> >of > > >>>>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all >>>> >>>> >from > > >>>what >>> >>> >>>>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >>>>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >>>>repetitive. >>>> >>>>Nats >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >>>>[email hidden] >>>> >>>>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." >>>> >>>>Remove NOSPAM to respond please. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

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> "John Simmons" wrote: > > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have > Formula 1 > > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind > of > > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > > repetitive. > > > Go here: > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/help > > Diplomatic as ever John :)

If shooting doesn't work, *then* try diplomacy.

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> John Simmons wrote: > > In article <bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > >>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving > >>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > >>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > >>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > >>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > >>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > >>repetitive. > >> > > > > > > > > Go here: > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/help > > Feeling better, John? ;) >

Almost. :)

In article <bf72dv$c0n0a$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > Feeling better, John? ;) > > > > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? > Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot. You > can't see that ? Go here: http://www.paddedwall.org/help

That's a pretty nice worm you threw out there nats. Looks like you got a couple of bites too. "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

"Gerry Aitken" wrote: > >>Feeling better, John? ;) > > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? > > Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot.You > > can't see that ? > > I ain't exactly John's best mate! So fuck off, you northern twat! :) Now you are going to rattle Bruce's cage over that accusation.. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

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> > "Gerry Aitken" wrote: > > > >>Feeling better, John? ;) > > > > Why don't you stop sucking this redneck wankers ring piece ? > > > Nascar has nothing to do with it. The guy, Simmons, is a total bigot. > You > > > can't see that ? > > > > I ain't exactly John's best mate! So fuck off, you northern twat! :) > > Now you are going to rattle Bruce's cage over that accusation..

I just wish Byron Forbes could get in on this stuff, this place could use some "industrial strength" flaming as someone so eloquently put it once C'mon Byron, you've already shown that you're lurking, time to come and play Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Yeah, really catching on here on the canadian west Coast... We have a stadium here for the local team (can`t remember the name) with a capacity of 5000 and it is a big deal when they manage to get 2500. Anyway, let`s argue about car racing...much more fun! Andre "redTed" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news:bf72to$broqc$[email hidden]... > > > I still can`t believe that someone would have the guts to come in this > > newsgroup after watching a single race and state that Nascar is borring > > ESPECIALLY after the 2 snoozer years we just suffered in F1! I likeboth > > (Nascar and F1) and both require an incredible amount of strategies, > > tweakings, etc... No wonder you people in Europe like soccer (now THATis > a > > truly wimpy and borring sport!). > > "You people in Europe" ? LOL. > Yes we do like our "soccer" game. It's seems to be catching on in someother > countries as well ! You never know, perhaps French Canadians may well turn > out a "soccer" team one day. (..and get the shite kicked out of them by > Outer Hebrides, or some other football super power) > >

Base told me. *PFFFffft* ;) -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... How do you know??? LOL :-) Scott B. Husted® wrote: You could say the same thing about F1 using your flawed philosophy: Why go to different tracks... they all just turn left and right and you end up at the same start/finish line anyways. They are all the same. In Oval racing - every track is different. You have different banking on the corners, you have different transitions from the corners onto the straights, on superspeedways you have drafting, on short tracks you have extreme door handle to door handle racing. You have heat/cold strategies in oval racing too. It greatly effects the handling of the cars, the grip of the tires, the HP of the motors, the amount of tape you put on the front grill effects downforce. You have hard braking at the short tracks along with high lateral forces on high bankings like Bristol. You have mechanical failures in all forms of motor racing. Unfortunately, parades are usually long and boring. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6v0m$s1e$[email hidden]... Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice things up a little. I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please. "Scott B. Husted®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't offer those two items. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably repetitive. Nats -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

I think he meant the 'really original' Hockenheim, which didn't have chicanes :-) Achim "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eADRa.1434$[email hidden]... ... > > Its just a shame they got rid of the best track - the originalHockenheim. > > Straight -chicane... straight chicane... straight chicane.... straightslow > set of corners?

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> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god > was it boring - driving around the same oval track > time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 over > here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching > that kind of racing for more than a few minutes. Theres > just no strategy at all from what I can see! It just > seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems > unbelieveably repetitive.

I take it you're talking about Eurosport's coverage of the Pepsi400 at Daytona. Trust them not to show the bit where the race was won and lost, though. They also missed the onboard replay where one could hear Kurt Bush's right rear tire blow out to start "the big one", but anyway... On Daytona and Talladega there are restrictor plates fitted to the engines to keep the speed of the cars down (still 180mph+). This leads to very little speed difference across the field and the cars running well within what they're capable of doing at these tracks. It's therefore very hard to pass anybody on sheer speed. Any progress depends on skillfull use of slipstreaming ("the draft") and fuel strategy. In the race, which was about as good as restrictor plate racing gets, to be honest, some of the guys gambled on losing their track position. As lapped cars restart on the inside you sometimes need to pass 30 odd cars to actually get to the front after a FCY if one drops to the back of the "lead lap" cars. If there were no more yellows, they'd be able to run to the finish while most of the others couldn't. In the end championship leader Matt Kenseth, who was going to have to pit for some fuel, did his utmost to keep one of those gamblers, fellow Ford driver Greg Biffle, in front of Bobby Labonte. An effort which was made redundant by Labonte running out of fuel on the last lap and handing the win to Biffle. Great stuff if one's aware of what one's watching. So ok, granted, it does takes some getting into, but NASCAR is racing condensed to the essence, the contest between drivers and teams. As opposed to the outspending contest between corporations and the fabrication of victories (last 3 or 4 Le Mans 24hrs spring to mind). Go to nascar.com, get the TrackPass "try before you buy" and watch the clip of the finish of the Southern 500 at Darlington this year... then come back here and tell me *that* didn't have you on the edge of your seat. <g> Jan. =---

> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. You can't expect to enjoy Nascar by simply watching it - you have to become immersed in it. Try sitting down with a six-pack of Budweiser and, if possible, maybe even grab a old banjo and pick off a few notes just to set the mood. I'd even suggest going to the cupboard and getting out an old straw hat and pulling out a piece to suck on. Trust me, it'll seem like you're actually there!

I just watched my first game of Cricket and god was it boring. I had no idea what i was watching, and then speculated to the entire world what it must REALLY be like. Theres no strategy from what i can see. Just a bunch of guys doing stuff. Seems repetitive. (kinda like my sarcastic reply. you arent serious are you ??)

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> Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from what > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats

Boring? That's because Dale Earnhardt isn't able to race any more! You should really watch a clip of his driving style. If that doesn't get you excited, you should stick with F1. Rarely will drivers these days do those kinds of things any more, but each race I pray someone does. That's the beauty of NASCAR: they're able to make contact without eachother during a race and still be a contender at the end. ;) As I seen in a commercial about a month or two ago: "We've been turning left all day. Can't I try a right turn?" "Why would you want to do that?" That sums oval racing up nicely. :) -Will

Nascar unbelievably repetitive? vs what? F1? Cart? Surely you can't be serious. Many reasons why I prefer oval racing, including IRL. Passing and lots of it. Wheel to wheel racing, sometimes for lap after lap after lap. I think you musta been throwing out chum but I had to bite on this one. It's been discussed ad nauseum but an F1 fan calling Nascar boring is just laughable. For the record, I can watch just about any auto racing, from open wheel to stock cars to rally and so forth. Enjoy them all though I prefer racing that is decided well after the first corner of the first lap like F1. The exception being a fuel stategy win. Wow, that is great racing drama there. Ok, I'm done. "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

>"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote > "You people in Europe" ? LOL. > Yes we do like our "soccer" game. It's seems to be catching on in someother > countries as well ! You never know, perhaps French Canadians may well turn > out a "soccer" team one day. Well, in this case it will be the "Qu�bec" national football team of our sovereign country. <ducks!!!!!!> ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

F1 is a little better this year with the rules changes. Last year and in the past.... it was "Parade laps" "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6v0m$s1e$[email hidden]...

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> Hmm I disagree, obviously. I see plenty of passing in Formula 1. Plus theres > always the first few corners of carnage. Then theres all the pit strategy. > And the impact of the weather and in particular wet tracks. Also different > tracks have different strategies and heat/cold conditions. Also tricky > corners and fast areas. Hard breaking. Also mechnical failures. And the > spinning off, high speed crashes, neat cars, interesting tracks. Its just a > shame they got rid of the best track - the original Hockenheim. More tracks > like those would be great. But perhaps Bahrain and China will help spice > things up a little. > > I admit Formula 1 can sometimes be boring as well when Schmumi gets out in > front and theres no stopping him. But hey its definitely better and more > entertaining than watching cars racing around the same oval track week after > week. Are all the American tracks the same - ie oval? If so whats the point > in going to other tracks? You might as well stay on the same one. > > Im sure theres maybe more in it than I am giving credit to, but I have > difficulty seeing it myself. At least with greyhounds the races are short! > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:37DRa.924$[email hidden]... > > It's two concepts called "racing" and "passing", The F1 Parades don't > offer > > those two items. > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > ICQ# 439540 > > http://www.Husted.cc > > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > > behind me." > > - General George S. Patton > > > > > > > > > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > > driving > > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula > 1 > > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > > what > > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > > repetitive. > > > > > > Nats > > > > > > -- > > > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > > > > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <2_ERa.18003$[email hidden]>, "Andre G." <[email hidden]> writes: >Yeah, really catching on here on the canadian west Coast... We have a >stadium here for the local team (can`t remember the name) with a capacity of >5000 and it is a big deal when they manage to get 2500. That's nothing. Tiger Stadium('scuse me - Comerica Park<yuk!>) holds more than 40,000. Last home game(sunday), they had about 23,000. That's an increase from recent games drawing 12,000-15,000... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Very eloquently stated, Tony. Much more readable than some of the hysterical responses to the original post. Bruce. "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MqDRa.1677$[email hidden]...

"Guts"? It doesn't take any guts to make an anonymous post in a world-wide newsgroup. Bruce. "Andre G." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5_DRa.17994$[email hidden]... > I still can`t believe that someone would have the guts to come in this > newsgroup after watching a single race and state that Nascar is borring

LOL!! Obviously this gentleman is *not* from the below the Mason-Dixon Line! Bruce. "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf7g1k$bk31q$[email hidden]... > You can't expect to enjoy Nascar by simply watching it - you have tobecome > immersed in it. Try sitting down with a six-pack of Budweiser and, if > possible, maybe even grab a old banjo and pick off a few notes just to set > the mood. I'd even suggest going to the cupboard and getting out an old > straw hat and pulling out a piece to suck on. Trust me, it'll seem like > you're actually there!

Now THAT is one statement with which I thoroughly agree! (Yes, I know you were being sarcastic but there you go!) Bruce. "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5YHRa.84002$N7.11074@sccrnsc03... > I just watched my first game of Cricket and god was it boring.

Why not, Will? Is he sick or sumthin'? Bruce. "William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Boring? That's because Dale Earnhardt isn't able to race any more!

Careful.......in the *past* past, there was actually (ssssh!) o.v.e.r.t.a.k.i.n.g! Bruce. "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf7sm2$ahj$[email hidden]... > Last year and in the past.... it was "Parade laps" >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Very eloquently stated, Tony. > Much more readable than some of the hysterical responses to the original > post. I don't remember who said it, but he summed it up pretty nicely: In F1 (at least in GPL) road racing, you're mainly fighting against the road, while in Nascar Oval racing you're mainly fighting against other racers. 'Boring' both kinds of racing might be sometimes, but neither is 'easy' - ovalling *looks* easy but it's a - admittedly, rather limited - skill by itself. (Ok, I only have Nascar 4 to judge that on but from what I gather N2003 isn't more difficult than that oldie..) Regards, Ruud

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> > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > > > Nats

I think Nats is just trying to stir the pot here...........He gets off to being chastized! He's fondling his wee little "Vienna" sassage as he reads all these posts to his own ignorant post..... For what it's worth....at least OUR Nascar boys don't have to have traction control and auto shifting and ABS etc. just to make a lap around the track!! Not to mention that we have much more colorful drivers (personality wise..) Plus...when was the last time you saw 2 or even 3 F-1 cars go 2 or 3 laps around the track, side by side, mere inches apart going 190 MPH? THAT takes mucho large testicles to do without backing off.....

That's pretty low..... On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:00:36 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why not, Will? >Is he sick or sumthin'? > >Bruce. > >"William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Boring? That's because Dale Earnhardt isn't able to race any more! >

That's pretty low..... On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:00:36 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>Why not, Will? >Is he sick or sumthin'? >Bruce. >> Boring? That's because Dale Earnhardt isn't able to race any more!

Oh......pffft! Have another read of his post, "T"............ It's worded as is Dale is still alive, but, due to some unexplained reason, is unable to race. Thus the reason for my witticism. Bruce. "T. Wortman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's pretty low.....

"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. Oh yes, the current state of F1. Only overtaking is either on the first lap, which usually involves a clusterfuck in the first turn or while the other car is getting service in the pits.

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> > > > > I think Nats is just trying to stir the pot here...........He gets off > to being chastized! He's fondling his wee little "Vienna" sassage as > he reads all these posts to his own ignorant post..... > > For what it's worth....at least OUR Nascar boys don't have to have > traction control and auto shifting and ABS etc. just to make a lap > around the track!! > Not to mention that we have much more colorful drivers (personality > wise..) > Plus...when was the last time you saw 2 or even 3 F-1 cars go 2 or 3 > laps around the track, side by side, mere inches apart going 190 MPH? > THAT takes mucho large testicles to do without backing off..... >

If you're going to argue about F1 v NASCAR, at least try to put things in perspective. When was the last time you saw 2 or even 3 NASCARS go 2 or 3 laps around a "Road" circuit, side by side, mere inches apart going 190 MPH? You're comparing apples to oranges in your above example, they are both fruit, that's about it.. :) I watched the NASCAR race at Sears this year (on tv) and it reminded me of the Celebrity Challenge races they hold before the Australian GP, except i think the celebrity race at Albert Park was more refined and closer to an actual motor racing event than that show the NASCAR boys put on at Sears.. <G> Cheers, Ron

Careful Bruce...you're starting to leave yourself wide open again...:o) Steve "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Careful.......in the *past* past, there was actually (ssssh!) > o.v.e.r.t.a.k.i.n.g! > > Bruce. > > "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf7sm2$ahj$[email hidden]... > > Last year and in the past.... it was "Parade laps" > > > > >

Careful Bruce...you're starting to leave yourself wide open again...:o) Steve

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> Careful.......in the *past* past, there was actually (ssssh!) > o.v.e.r.t.a.k.i.n.g! > Bruce. > > Last year and in the past.... it was "Parade laps"

No just John being John. Actually, if John didn't react that way, I wuold've started wondering what was wrong with him :-) Steve "Tony Rickard" wrote in message > Diplomatic as ever John :)

"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]>... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring <snip> Nats 1 - RAS 0 Yes, I know I've just fed it, but I'm surprised at how much interest a simplistic troll like this one got. Nats can move on in the knowledge of a job well done. Regards, Mark

I was thinking the same when he said in another thread he'd [quote] 'become a gibbering idiot' under certain circumstances (release of mods like a [quote] 'Can-Am of the 1960's and the Trans-Am of the 1960's')... I refrained from taking the opportunity as all possible replies might have been offending to someone even if posted with lots of smilies in them, but man, it _was_ a risky thing to say :-) Achim "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f17d656$0$26534$[email hidden]... > Careful Bruce...you're starting to leave yourself wide open again...:o)

"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3mPRa.17470$[email hidden]... > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula1

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> > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > Oh yes, the current state of F1. Only overtaking is either on the first

lap, > which usually involves a clusterfuck in the first turn or while the other > car is getting service in the pits. No matter what the state of F1, it don't change the fact that stockcars doing roundy rounds in large tracks such as Texas and Cal are painfully boring. I personally can at least watch the bullrings for awhile but the larger venues.............. ...............zzzzzzzzzzz. ......and the state of commercialism nowadays is getting pathetic.

Cars in NASCAR go side by side on road courses all of the time.. Watch the upcoming Watkins Glen race, I can gaurantee you that you will see more side by side racing and more passing/lead changes in that race than all of the races in this F1 season combined "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c34d12$da9d5540$0100007f@ronayton...

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> > > SpeedRat <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <[email hidden]>... > > > > > > > > > I think Nats is just trying to stir the pot here...........He gets off > > to being chastized! He's fondling his wee little "Vienna" sassage as > > he reads all these posts to his own ignorant post..... > > > > For what it's worth....at least OUR Nascar boys don't have to have > > traction control and auto shifting and ABS etc. just to make a lap > > around the track!! > > Not to mention that we have much more colorful drivers (personality > > wise..) > > Plus...when was the last time you saw 2 or even 3 F-1 cars go 2 or 3 > > laps around the track, side by side, mere inches apart going 190 MPH? > > THAT takes mucho large testicles to do without backing off..... > > > > If you're going to argue about F1 v NASCAR, at least try to put things in > perspective. > When was the last time you saw 2 or even 3 NASCARS go 2 or 3 laps around a > "Road" circuit, side by side, mere inches apart going 190 MPH? > > You're comparing apples to oranges in your above example, they are both > fruit, that's about it.. :) > > I watched the NASCAR race at Sears this year (on tv) and it reminded me of > the Celebrity Challenge races they hold before the Australian GP, except i > think the celebrity race at Albert Park was more refined and closer to an > actual motor racing event than that show the NASCAR boys put on at Sears.. > <G> > > Cheers, > Ron

It was only a matter of time before someone threw his name out there. Like NASCAR would be any different today.. "William Bradshaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Nats wrote: > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula1 > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > > > Nats > > Boring? That's because Dale Earnhardt isn't able to race any more! You > should really watch a clip of his driving style. If that doesn't get you > excited, you should stick with F1. Rarely will drivers these days do > those kinds of things any more, but each race I pray someone does. > That's the beauty of NASCAR: they're able to make contact without > eachother during a race and still be a contender at the end. ;) > > As I seen in a commercial about a month or two ago: > "We've been turning left all day. Can't I try a right turn?" > "Why would you want to do that?" > > That sums oval racing up nicely. :) > > -Will >

You forgot that sometimes there is also a pass on the last lap when one driver pulls to the side to let his teammate win due to team orders "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3mPRa.17470$[email hidden]... > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula1

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> > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > Oh yes, the current state of F1. Only overtaking is either on the first

lap, > which usually involves a clusterfuck in the first turn or while the other > car is getting service in the pits. > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > Oh......pffft! > Have another read of his post, "T"............ > It's worded as is Dale is still alive, but, due to some unexplained reason, > is unable to race. > > Thus the reason for my witticism. Witticism is the purest form of twatism. :)

In case you guys haven't notice, this one very effective Troll. Let it go... -Larry "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:25:19 +0100, Gerry Aitken wrote: > > As for F1! I've had some of the deepest sleep I've ever known in between > the the first lap and the last! I agree... insomniacs should be prescribed your run of the mill f1 race on a sunday afternoon, maybe going down with a beer or two... guaranteed sleep. ;-) Then again, all forms of *watching* motorsport seems to have this effect on me, it's only when I race online / multiplayer that the pieces fall into place and the concept of the sport comes alive. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:06:00 -0400, Scott B. Husted wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > Please learn to quote only relevant parts and don't post in HTML. Waste of bandwith and everybody's time here on RAS. Thanks! Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:03:51 +0100, redTed wrote: > out a "soccer" team one day. (..and get the shite kicked out of them by > Outer Hebrides, or some other football super power) The outer Hebrides are part of Scotland, so yes, you may stand a good chance of getting your bums kicked unless you are talking of St. Kilda ;-) cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I'll Consider It. But since you were so condescending about it - NO. http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm Thanks. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 439540 http://www.Husted.cc "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton A8 36 A4 61

That's rich stuff... The same could be said about British football (or soccer here). Back-and-forth all the game, and nobody scores a single goal. "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat

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> I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive. > > Nats > > -- > Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > [email hidden] > > "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > > Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >

> The outer Hebrides are part of Scotland, < Is that so ? Well, I never.........etc. Thanks for that Uwe. No, really . I mean it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What boring football?(soccer) american football is the worse, rude game I have ever seen! No technique, nothing anly man against another man who is stronger win! have you ever seen a true soccer match? it's beautiful even if there is no goal! what's the diference between score a goal or take a pile? the important is how the team arrived at the shoot. technique,technique,technique against roughness,roughness,roughness magnulus wrote:

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> That's rich stuff... > The same could be said about British football (or soccer here). > Back-and-forth all the game, and nobody scores a single goal. > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > >>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > > driving > >>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 >>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of >>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > > what > >>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first >>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably >>repetitive. >> >>Nats >> >>-- >>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt >>[email hidden] >> >>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." >> >>Remove NOSPAM to respond please. >> >> > > > >

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>What boring football?(soccer) >american football is the worse, rude game I have ever seen! >No technique, nothing anly man against another man who is stronger win! >have you ever seen a true soccer match? it's beautiful even if there is >no goal! what's the diference between score a goal or take a pile? the >important is how the team arrived at the shoot. >technique,technique,technique against roughness,roughness,roughness >

I am British and find Soccer usually boring apart from some international games. American Football has a large amount of finesse, both physical and intellectual, and is far more intesting to watch. Andrew.

oh boy... I have been trying to stay out of this one (after my earlier post) but I can`t resist the bait (I`m a 40+ old fart who must be feeling particularly childish today). American football rude? Do you mean more so that the rioting individuals, the beatings and the killings we hear about after European football games? Or do you mean: American football rules! It does! And when exactly is soccer beautiful? When they settle the 0-0 score by placing a player at 15 meters from the goaltender who is supposed to defend an incredibly large net where his only chance of making a save is by totally guessing on which side he will dive and hope that the kicker happens to choose the same side? ...or when they kiss each other`s genitals after scoring a Goooooaaaaaaal! ? ...or when they trade shirts and wear each others' sweaty jerseys after the game???? I just don`t get it... and yes, I did see a professional soccer game in Belgium once... I will admit that the ambiance was fun (there was no riot or murder on that day only cheers and lots of singing) but the game itself was a sleeper (1-0 on a penalty kick). I just don`t get it... Hockey! Now that`s a SPORT! OK, OK, now you know I am canadian eh! On a more interesting topic, what is the sim enthusiasts' initial reaction to just released LFS?? Andre "Alex" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news:[email hidden]...

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> What boring football?(soccer) > american football is the worse, rude game I have ever seen! > No technique, nothing anly man against another man who is stronger win! > have you ever seen a true soccer match? it's beautiful even if there is > no goal! what's the diference between score a goal or take a pile? the > important is how the team arrived at the shoot. > technique,technique,technique against roughness,roughness,roughness > > magnulus wrote: > > That's rich stuff... > > The same could be said about British football (or soccer here). > > Back-and-forth all the game, and nobody scores a single goal. > > > > "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > > > >>Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > > > > driving > > > >>around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula

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> >>over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > >>racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > > > > what > > > >>I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > >>mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > >>repetitive. > >> > >>Nats > >> > >>-- > >>Nigel 'Nats' Stutt > >>[email hidden] > >> > >>"Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." > >> > >>Remove NOSPAM to respond please. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >

Is it? Fair enough, then. Bruce. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Witticism is the purest form of twatism. :) >

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> What boring football?(soccer) > american football is the worse, rude game I have ever seen! > No technique, nothing anly man against another man who is stronger win! > have you ever seen a true soccer match? it's beautiful even if there is > no goal! what's the diference between score a goal or take a pile? the > important is how the team arrived at the shoot. > technique,technique,technique against roughness,roughness,roughness >

I'm not really a fan of American football either, just pointing out in goes both ways. Some of you Brits think NASCAR is boring because it goes around in ovals (and actually, there are road courses such as Watkins Glen). Well, you could say the same about "Football"- the ball just bounces back and forth forever. Hey, actually I don't watch much NASCAR and find most racing a snooze fest after a while, but actually racing on those ovals can be more challenging than they look. Not every oval is shaped the same- some are "D" shaped, some have banks and some are flat, some have short corners, others are longer. Add in a couple dozen other cars, and things start to get interesting. Our football rude? Well, it's true more often than not the players are just dumb, often obese, jocks, but the actual game has alot of strategy behind it. Also, we seem to have fewer riots after a big game. We certainly don't have hundreds of people been crushed under a human stampede.

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> I'll Consider It. But since you were so condescending about it - NO. > > http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm > > Thanks. > > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 439540 > http://www.Husted.cc > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > behind me." > - General George S. Patton > > > > A8 36 A4 61

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> "Nats" wrote: > > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring - > driving > > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula > 1 > > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all from > what > > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > > repetitive. > > I am not a fan of oval racing and Nascar in particular, but to say it

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> strategy is giving it a complete disservice. In fact that is why I don't > really like it - I prefer an out and out sprint from green flag to > chequered. Plus these guys are driving on the edge at very high speeds - > but it just doesn't look as spectacular as low speed tail out stuff around > slow corners and braking from 180 to 50 in other series. > > In true American style the rules are damned complex compared to most > European series. > > Because of the garish colours and Days of Thunder presentation it appears > very brutish and raw. Yet it is far more subtle and a thinking driver and > crew can outperform faster combinations on their day which adds to the > appeal. A pass can take laps to pull off, running side by side.

Fascinating > for some whilst I prefer to watch a BTCC out braking manouvre :) > > Cheers > Tony Agreed. NASCAR has never done much for me but is certainly more complicated than it looks. CART and F1 have been exciting at times but not lately. I just started watching MotoGP this year and I have to say they have some of the most exciting racing I have ever seen. Last year I happened to catch Nicki Hayden pull off some exciting wins at the end of the American Superbike season and caught some of the drama of Honda picking him over Collin Edwards for the MotoGP ride. So, I thought I would see how he does on the MotoGP circuit this year and I have been hooked since. Hayden is promising, but Valentino Rossi is looking like a rare and exciting talent on par with M. Schumacher. There is plenty of other talent and personality in the series and these guys are incredibly fast. The passing is fairly frequent and exciting, especially since Rossi usually does not start as well as some of the others. The final bonus for me is that there is no pitting. I don't care for fuel strategy as it can ruin an otherwise brilliantly driven race for the driver. Steve W

Goin' fishin', were you? Now, I have to stick up for my sport <g> If you've ever been to a F1 race and actually stood by the track and witnessed an overtaking move in the flesh, NASCAR suddenly looks *extremely* tame. In fact, there are some corners that you simply must watch a F1 car go round in your lifetime: Ferradura Piratella Rindt Kurve Piscine x RTL Kurve x Copse x, Becketts Complex, Stowe, Bridge x Nurburgring x, Imola x 130R x and of course, the legendary, but sadly departed Eau Rouge, Pouhon and Blanchimont. The 'x's mean "Holy sh*t, that's fast". You never get the feel for it on TV. If I was to recommend one, go to Monaco, and try and get a seat opposite the piscine (next year with the reclaimed land there will be much more room there, I'm led to believe). Watch the cars coming out of Tabac and entering piscine and if you're stood there on the outside, you will actually crap yourself. No exaggeration. Especially if it's JV coming at you <g> "Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf6tfp$cb3$[email hidden]... > Just watched my first ever Nascar last night and god was it boring -driving > around the same oval track time after time. Im sure glad we have Formula 1 > over here (UK). I dont know how anyone could enjoy watching that kind of > racing for more than a few minutes. Theres just no strategy at all fromwhat > I can see! It just seems to revolve around whos going to get the first > mechanical failure and crash, otherwise it just seems unbelieveably > repetitive.

"magnulus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mv%Ra.640$[email hidden]... > We certainly don't have hundreds of people > been crushed under a human stampede. You can fucking get out after that.

In article <bfmfi4$gg0sh$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Nick) wrote: > The 'x's mean "Holy sh*t, that's fast". You never get the > feel for it on TV. Sims rarely seem to capture it either, and it's one thing I think NetKar does very well. The F3000 experience is very fast indeed. Andrew McP