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Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT moves in this race...whew! Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

and there can be guys in kilt too lol :) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:[email hidden]... > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! > Forza F1!!! What a race :) Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

>and there can be guys in kilt too lol :) > I'm tellin' ya - Rubens should start paying wackos to run on the track. He's 2 for 2...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Wonderful race....just fabulous :) AD

Aidee wrote: > > Wonderful race....just fabulous :) Yeah, it was one of those races you hope to see when you sit yourself down in front of the TV 16 Sundays a year, too bad they don't happen more often Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfe6t7$s42$[email hidden]... > Wonderful race....just fabulous :) > > AD > > I'm still buzzing - must write some code I think :) All the best, Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:53:43 +0100, "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Wonderful race....just fabulous :) >Thats the best F1 race I can remember in years :-) Andrew.

It's to the circuit credit that the race has been so beautiful. Even with some disfigurement (chicanes!) Silverstone remains - with Monza - one of the last Speed Temple. Expect the same spectable in september at Monza too! Zp from Italy

F1 in 'interesting race' shock!! :-) great race loved every minute dan

It makes me think that the answer is to have a rule that somehow places the fastest at the back,or introduce yellows for no reason whatsoever and watch them all dive in for a pitstop..LOL It was great :)) AD

"Aidee" wrote: > It makes me think that the answer is to have a rule that somehow placesthe > fastest at the back,or introduce yellows for no reason whatsoever andwatch > them all dive in for a pitstop..LOL I think some alternative series sussed this many years ago... :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

That was as good as any CART race I have ever seen. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yes I agree that Silverstone was brilliant this year. In fact its a shame that F1C cant reflect those kinds of weird events that can alter the whole race. But we can always live in hope for an accurate simulation with safety cars and track invaders some time!! LOL! -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:04:03 +0100, "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote: >F1 in 'interesting race' shock!! :-) > great race loved every minute > dan Me too, I actually stayed awake untill the end!! Andre

In article <bfeef3$dc8ec$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Dan_Leach) wrote: > F1 in 'interesting race' shock!! :-) While I think this race was artificially & accidentally interesting, I will confess that I stayed up and watched all of it. Because I work nights I usually go to bed about 1.05pm, by which time the best bit of the race is generally over :-) I especially liked the bit where ITV (in the UK) went to a commercial break just as you heard a commentator saying "Oh no!...." (Turned out to be "just" the man on the track incident). Excellent timing, if you'd paid for one of those adverts! Andrew McP

Aidee <[email hidden]> wrote in article <bfeffo$mvv$[email hidden]>... > It makes me think that the answer is to have a rule that somehow placesthe > fastest at the back,or introduce yellows for no reason whatsoever andwatch

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> them all dive in for a pitstop..LOL > > It was great :)) > > AD > >

I guess it just goes to show that not only NASCAR, but any series can have good close racing when yellow flags are flown at any/all opportunities... Now if we can just get the F1 officials to throw yelllow flag laps at the sight of a matchstick on the track (like they do in NASCAR) <G> then F1 will pertain the giddy heights of false immersion that NASCAR achieves at present. :)) All jokes aside, it was a great race and almost felt like i was watching F1 of old times again.. Cheers, Ron

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> I guess it just goes to show that not only NASCAR, but any series can have > good close racing when yellow flags are flown at any/all opportunities... > Now if we can just get the F1 officials to throw yelllow flag laps at the > sight of a matchstick on the track (like they do in NASCAR) <G> then F1 > will pertain the giddy heights of false immersion that NASCAR achieves at > present. :)) > All jokes aside, it was a great race and almost felt like i was watching

F1 > of old times again.. It was certainly a great race but it wasn't the first great race of the season. I thought Australia and Brazil were very enjoyable too.

"Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01c34f80$99a76b00$9b5b8b90@ronayton... > All jokes aside, it was a great race and almost felt like i was watchingF1 > of old times again.. Some of Rubens' passing moves were absolutely stunning. Throw the dummy one way, wait for the lead man to counter, then blast by the other way in do or die fashion. Pure Mansell-Senna stuff, and it could have all ended in tears if everyone involved wasn't so professional. Much more entertaining than the classic "who is the best of the late brakers?" (which of course is a talent not to be underestimated). As they say in Monster Truck racing, "we'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge of it". I was riveted to the screen. Stephen

> I especially liked the bit where ITV (in the UK) went to a commercial > break just as you heard a commentator saying "Oh no!...." (Turned out to > be "just" the man on the track incident). Excellent timing, if you'd > paid for one of those adverts! >It was on a par with 2 weeks ago when they cut to a break half way through Ralf's final lap. It was finished when they came back ! Good old ITV. WANKERS.

Silverstone still retains great fast sweepers reminisent of earlier (greater) days, GPL style. Can you imagine F1 without it? All this threatening talk of it not being on the calender next year is just rubish. Bernie Ecclestone is a typical Brit, shooting British efforts in the foot, even when things go well. Alan "ZP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XIySa.2898$[email hidden]... > It's to the circuit credit that the race has been so beautiful. > Even with some disfigurement (chicanes!) Silverstone remains - withMonza - > one of the last Speed Temple. > Expect the same spectable in september at Monza too! > > Zp from Italy > >

Probably the best F1 I've ever seen, but I've only been watching for 2 years. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"AlanRCo" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio news:P6USa.572$[email hidden]... >Can you imagine F1 without it? No, I can't! >All this threatening talk of it not being on the calender next year is justrubish. The same is for me: pure speculations

No, I can't! rubish. The same is for me: pure speculations

EldredP wrote: > Ok, there CAN be passing in F1.<g> Reubens and Kimi are making some GREAT > moves in this race...whew! It did make me wonder if we'll see Herr Henrie use similar tactics at IRL races...hopping the fence brandishing "Sinners, Ye Must Repent" and "I Repesent the Way, the Truth, and the Light...Ye Must Also Turn Right!" banners whilst scurrying about oncoming traffic. ;-) Only problem for Dave would be A.J. IV spotting him, and thinking, "Gee, haven't hit one of those *yet* this year...lock on target..." -jde

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:00:56 +0100, "AlanRCo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Silverstone still retains great fast sweepers reminisent of earlier >(greater) days, GPL style. Can you imagine F1 without it? All this >threatening talk of it not being on the calender next year is just rubish. >Bernie Ecclestone is a typical Brit, shooting British efforts in the foot, >even when things go well. > >Alan

I still can't imagine F1 without Spa :-/ Andre

True, but those races were somewhat marred by weather, qualifying mishaps, etc. Silverstone was I think the first relatively clean, non-controversial (except for a certain Scot) race this year that was really enjoyable. I mean, actual passing for the lead? Unheard of! ;o) "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YPQSa.7185$[email hidden]... > > It was certainly a great race but it wasn't the first great race of the > season. I thought Australia and Brazil were very enjoyable too. > >

"Andreas Nyström" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EAwSa.17062$[email hidden]... > and there can be guys in kilt too lol :) Obviosly that guy has never seen "The Quick and The Dead". He almost became The Dead... - Dave

To me, bad weather makes an F1 race. It puts some anticipation and chance into it, which is sorely missing otherwise. -Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > True, but those races were somewhat marred by weather, qualifying mishaps, > etc. Silverstone was I think the first relatively clean,non-controversial

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> (except for a certain Scot) race this year that was really enjoyable. I > mean, actual passing for the lead? Unheard of! ;o) > > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YPQSa.7185$[email hidden]... > > > > It was certainly a great race but it wasn't the first great race of the > > season. I thought Australia and Brazil were very enjoyable too. > > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:xZ0Ta.681$5b7.182@lakeread01: > To me, bad weather makes an F1 race. It puts some anticipation and > chance into it, which is sorely missing otherwise. I wonder why they are not watering the tracks (during the race). And does anybody know how well F1 handles on the snow? ;-> Alex.

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > True, but those races were somewhat marred by weather, qualifying mishaps, > etc. Silverstone was I think the first relatively clean, non-controversial > (except for a certain Scot) race this year that was really enjoyable. I > mean, actual passing for the lead? Unheard of! ;o) Yep, what a controversy - his car falls apart in his home race, then he puts in some pretty excellent overtaking moves to fight his way back up. Deserves a two-race ban for the overtaking alone - unheard of antics in F1! The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. THAT annoyed me. The F1 is trying to promote more excitement and overtaking in F1, and allowing that sort of behaviour to go unpunished is hardly likely to make drivers want to overtake. It's difficult and risky enough without letting such behaviour go uncommented.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (MoaDib) wrote: > Yep, what a controversy I think the Scot in question was the pedestrian. Andrew McP

> And does anybody know how well F1 handles on the snow? ;-> > > Alex. Ask Mika Hakkinen, he drove one in the snow a few years back.. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Well they got rid of the old Hockenheim which was a brilliant track. So Silverstone could easily go as well. Its all political. there are some attrocious tracks on the GP circuit at the moment. Im just glad they got rid of the Argentine track which was right rubbish to drive although I hear they are thinking of bringing it back unfortunately. I personally wouldnt miss Monte Carlo as I think its a pretty dire circuit to both watch and drive. Its just the history and romanticism of that track that keeps it in. I wouldnt miss it. -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." Remove NOSPAM to respond please. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:00:56 +0100, "AlanRCo" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Silverstone still retains great fast sweepers reminisent of earlier > >(greater) days, GPL style. Can you imagine F1 without it? All this > >threatening talk of it not being on the calender next year is just rubish. > >Bernie Ecclestone is a typical Brit, shooting British efforts in the foot, > >even when things go well. > > > >Alan > > I still can't imagine F1 without Spa :-/ > > Andre

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (MoaDib) wrote: > > > Yep, what a controversy > > I think the Scot in question was the pedestrian.

No, that was the Irish guy Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

He was wearing a kilt, doesn't that imply that he's a Scot? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > No, that was the Irish guy > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Yeah that's what I meant, but MoaDib makes a good point about Coulthard, he did a hell of a job. "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I think the Scot in question was the pedestrian. > > Andrew McP

Haqsau wrote: > > He was wearing a kilt, doesn't that imply that he's a Scot? Or an Irishman :-) From Autosport "Silverstone invader was radical Irish priest Track protester's 'dance for peace' nearly ends in tragedy The protester who invaded the track during Sunday's British Grand Prix at Silverstone was an Irish priest who wanted to publicise his beliefs that the world is about to end. Father Neil Horan scaled the debris fencing before running onto the track on the Hangar Straight as cars sped past him at over 150mph. He then ran towards the exit of the Becketts sequence of corners before he was tackled by a marshal and later arrested. He has since been charged with aggravated trespass by Northamptonshire police. Originally from Co Kerry, Horan lives in Clapham, London, and has been issuing appeals to the media to highlight events in the Middle East which, he believes, will lead to a third world war. To highlight his thinking, Father Horan appears in public places wearing an Irish national costume as part of a 'dance for peace'. Dressed in an orange kilt, with a Star of David pinned to the front, Horan carried a banner which stated "Read the Bible, the Bible is always right". He has also pledged to parade in front of media buildings in London to highlight his beliefs." --- I'm not 100% sure, but I believe there's an Irish version of the kilt, can't say I've really looked into it as I don't have the legs for it...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> The protester who invaded the track during Sunday's British Grand Prix > at Silverstone was an Irish priest who wanted to publicise his beliefs > that the world is about to end. His world nearly did end! Was it just me, or did that Jag go for him?

It looked like He did. I would have loved to see that from the in car view..... Poor old Webber must have sent the race suit to the dry cleaners. He was reportedly still shaking 2 hours after the race. I don't blame him. Darf "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfli9b$1f$[email hidden]...

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> > The protester who invaded the track during Sunday's British Grand Prix > > at Silverstone was an Irish priest who wanted to publicise his beliefs > > that the world is about to end. > > His world nearly did end! > > Was it just me, or did that Jag go for him? > >

>The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing >Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. THAT annoyed >me. Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized for such behavior recently? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Richard S Beckett wrote: > > > The protester who invaded the track during Sunday's British Grand Prix > > at Silverstone was an Irish priest who wanted to publicise his beliefs > > that the world is about to end. > > His world nearly did end! Would that have made him right ? I mean, from his perspective, the world really would have ended....philosophy 1.0.1 ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

>Well they got rid of the old Hockenheim which was a brilliant track. I don't think Hockenheim was 'brilliant'. Fast/long, definitely - but not brilliant... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, because only one of the red cars do it and the FIA dont like to penalise them. -- Steve "They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it"" Guvnor. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized for such > behavior recently? > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:10 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: >I think the Scot in question was the pedestrian. Well, that "Scot" was Irish for a start.... John "sensitive Scot" Wallace

On 23 Jul 2003 16:11:32 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >>The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing >>Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. THAT annoyed >>me. > >Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized for such >behavior recently? Have they ever? :-( Was it not HHF who was invited to visit a gravel trap at 190mph a few years ago in a similar move? I think there was a stop/go for that one, but even the stop/go provoked howls of protest. Safety's great, but to paraphrase Clark, without danger (fear) any fool can race - be interesting to see how these guys would race if they were stuck in Stewart's car for example. (I'm actually now wondering if it would make any difference, thinking of the pictures of Senna and Brundle's F3 cars on top of each other...!) John

"MoaDib" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing > Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. I didn't really see anything wrong with what he did. He made one move, from the racing line over to the right, and Alonso kept going with him instead of switching back. No big deal. Just because it was Michael Schumacher doesn't mean you have to make it into a controversial moment <g>

"Edgecrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfmf9t$gl5p7$[email hidden]... > No, because only one of the red cars do it and the FIA dont like topenalise them. Don't open your front door, it might be burglars.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing > >Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. THAT annoyed > >me. > > Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized forsuch > behavior recently? Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a moment after all. :-) David G Fisher

I can still remember the Grand Prix from several yeats ago there watching Barricello trying to outbrake another at one of the chicanes. Its one of my most endearing memories of F1. That makes it a fantastic track in my view. Nats -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Well they got rid of the old Hockenheim which was a brilliant track. > > I don't think Hockenheim was 'brilliant'. Fast/long, definitely - but not > brilliant... > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>No, because only one of the red cars do it and the FIA dont like to penalise >them. > Well, I didn't want to attribute it only to that red car. I figured someone else MUST have done it... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized for >such >> behavior recently? > >Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a >moment after all. :-) I'm sure he wasn't happy about it at the time... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > >> Yeah, I didn't think that was cool, either. Has anyone been penalized for > >such > >> behavior recently? > > > >Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a > >moment after all. :-) > > I'm sure he wasn't happy about it at the time...

Neither were one of his team bosses who stated as much Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Wallace) wrote: > John "sensitive Scot" Wallace I thought the whole point of wearing a kilt and no underwear was to *de*sensitise you? It's the celtic equivalent of circumcision. Andrew "only Scottish in the American sense" McP PS Didn't realise you were still around... thought you'd grown up or something ;-)

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:07:11 -0400, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Alonso didn't have a problem with it. Alonso could of simply lifted for a >moment after all. :-) I think he probably did - probably filled his seat for a moment as well. If we follow that logic then everyone could be required by the FIA to "just lift off for a moment" whenever Michael happens along and wobbles his car at them. Sounds a little like what happens at the moment. Honestly speaking (and I fully appreciate that showing any form of doubt in one's perceived postion is asking for a roasting here, but indulge me, I'm a noob!) I find it quite difficult to put my finger on what it is about the manner in which Michael does these kind of things that I find so distasteful. Senna did it and I had no (well, fewer) problems with it, but somehow Michael's crossing of the line comes off like bullying, or....I don't know. He "plays the game" superby - political comments about Coulthard's driving when he was fighting Hakkinen etc, set up to get the FIA watching where he wanted, but while it works well professionally (within the sport), it comes across badly to many viewers. As with any sport F1 exists to entertain. People have complained about "the show", and how little overtaking there is. Guys like Montoya, Barrichello, DC etc supplied that in buckets last weekend. How easy would it have been for Kimi to have moved across on Rubens at the first overtake? He hadn't even moved once (keeping his line to the inside of Abbey), and could have moved right and stuck Rubens on the grass. It would be legal, if highly questionable, racing, but FAR less entertaining to watch than the two of them fighting each other all the way through Abbey and Bridge. Alonso's young - he'll learn the way, IMO the only way, to fight Michael is as Montoya does - fire with fire. Senna did it, and Montoya's the only one since then who treats Michael in the same way as he treats others.

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> As with any sport F1 exists to entertain. People have complained about > "the show", and how little overtaking there is. Guys like Montoya, > Barrichello, DC etc supplied that in buckets last weekend. How easy > would it have been for Kimi to have moved across on Rubens at the > first overtake? He hadn't even moved once (keeping his line to the > inside of Abbey), and could have moved right and stuck Rubens on the > grass. It would be legal, if highly questionable, racing, but FAR less > entertaining to watch than the two of them fighting each other all the > way through Abbey and Bridge.

I thought the quality of racing was probably the best I have ever seen throughout the entire grid for as long as I can remember. After a low at Australia last year which made a pick up Monza GPL race look professional, I was impressed. With the close racing the opportunity for driver errors or over aggressive moves was very high. Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

Not just Montoya, remember Kimi and Michael at Australia this year? Now there was a Kodak moment! ;o) "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Alonso's young - he'll learn the way, IMO the only way, to fight > Michael is as Montoya does - fire with fire. Senna did it, and > Montoya's the only one since then who treats Michael in the same way > as he treats others.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:09:36 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not just Montoya, remember Kimi and Michael at Australia this year? Now >there was a Kodak moment! ;o) That was actually a great example - I was out of my seat cheering Kimi. I can well imagine the howls or protest emanating from the scarlet-clad legions, as it could be considered a bit of a severe chop. I really think you need to considered who is being chopped though. Kimi should never do it to DC (and vice-versa), and probably not to many other drivers also. However if you know that driver would do it to you then IMO it's a must to treat them the same way. It's like rubbing a puppy's nose in it's pee - it soon learns that's what's going to happen and will stop peeing where it shouldn't. Schumacher is a smart guy, I'm sure he'll learn a bit quicker than a puppy (I bet he thinks a bit differently when Montoya is around compared to Ralf or Alonso). Cheers, John

Saw this today: TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy." The sport of Formula 1 was left in disarray after TV cameras filmed dangerous acts of overtaking, actually on the track. One eyewitness described the scene" It seemed as if the drivers were fighting each other for positions on the track, the small Brazilian fella seemed to use a combination of skill and nerve to force his way in front of another car, I've never seen anything like it , how someone didn't get killed I'll never know" Other members of the crowd recalled similar events taking place in the 80's and before. Bernie Ecclestone was quick to slam Octagon Motorsports and the Silverstone circuit for allowing such a debacle. "We've tried so hard to s tamp out this sort of thing, and worked very closely with the teams, well Ferrari really, to ensure the race is decided in the pit lane. In the light of today, we may have to bring forward our proposals to introduce electric engines and metal grooves in the track. Unconfirmed rumours report that Sir Jackie Stewart was wrestled to the ground by a marshall after staging a protest demanding the return of what he referred to as "motor-racing." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

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> > Saw this today: > > TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an > act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy." > > The sport of Formula 1 was left in disarray after TV cameras filmed > dangerous acts of overtaking, actually on the track. > One eyewitness described the scene" It seemed as if the drivers were > fighting each other for positions on the track, the small Brazilian fella > seemed to use a combination of skill and nerve to force his way in front > of another car, I've never seen anything like it , how someone didn't get > killed I'll never know" > > Other members of the crowd recalled similar events taking place in the 80's > and before. > > Bernie Ecclestone was quick to slam Octagon Motorsports and the > Silverstone circuit for allowing such a debacle. "We've tried so hard to s > tamp out this sort of thing, and worked very closely with the teams, well > Ferrari really, to ensure the race is decided in the pit lane. In the light > of > today, we may have to bring forward our proposals to introduce electric > engines and metal grooves in the track. > > Unconfirmed rumours report that Sir Jackie Stewart was wrestled to the > ground by a marshall after staging a protest demanding the return of what > he referred to as "motor-racing."

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"John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If we follow that logic then everyone could be required by the FIA to > "just lift off for a moment" whenever Michael happens along and > wobbles his car at them. Sounds a little like what happens at the > moment. Kimi does it to Michael, everybody cheers. Juan Pablo does it to Michael, everybody cheers. Michael does it to anybody, suddenly he's in league with the FIA or the devil. Come on guys, it's racing, it's F1. You're allowed to make one move from the racing line to cover your position. Michael moved to the inside, and Alonso should have gone to the outside but didn't. No big deal. Remember Nurburgring-lite? Alonso moves for the inside at NGK at the same time as DC, DC gets a bunch of the 'brown adrenaline' and spins off. Was Alonso at fault? No. Just lay off the guy a little, he is one of the very best drivers ever to grace F1, and in 30 years time people will look back on him as such. Whether you love the guy or hate him, you must concede that. For the moment, it's debatable whether '2-wins' Montoya or '1-win' Raikkonen are capable of beating him, even with better tyres and FIA rule changes in their favour, but Ferrari and MS dominance is running it's course, as all dominant teams do, so just sit back and enjoy the show while you still can. I still hope one of our drivers wins the World Championship though <g>

In article <wceUa.3452$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> writes: >Saw this today: > >TV viewers and crowds at Silverstone circuit were shocked to witness an >act described by FIA boss Max Mosely as "utter lunacy. <snip> That's a good one! :-) Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Tony Rickard" > > Unconfirmed rumours report that Sir Jackie Stewart was wrestled to the > ground by a marshall after staging a protest demanding the return of > what he referred to as "motor-racing." > > To Quote a quote manufactured by our Beloved Pythons.... "We Smirked a-bit." :) actually quite a-bit.... dave henrie

I personally think the Grand Prix is getting too much regimented in terms of how many moves you can do per lap and all that rubbish. Its supposed to be a race for goodness sake!! Just let the dirvers do whatever they need to win thats what I say. But all this about trying the make the sport safer etc - what a load of rubbish. Theyre choosing to play a high risk sport and get a fortune for it. Not only that they probably enjoy the risk. So just let the dirvers get on with it and lets have some demanding courses added to the season for a change instead of rubbish like the new Hockenheim. That course is now one of the worst Ive ever seen whereas before it was a classic. Whats happening to the world? Have we all turned into a load of girls or what? Nats -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfs9i9$hvr8f$[email hidden]... > "MoaDib" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The only controversy I saw in the race was a certain Ferrari pushing > > Alonso onto the grass at 190mph to avoid being passed. > > I didn't really see anything wrong with what he did. He made one move, from > the racing line over to the right, and Alonso kept going with him instead of > switching back. No big deal. Just because it was Michael Schumacher doesn't > mean you have to make it into a controversial moment <g> > > >

"Nats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bftdjk$jsl$[email hidden]... > I personally think the Grand Prix is getting too much regimented in termsof > how many moves you can do per lap and all that rubbish. Its supposed to bea > race for goodness sake!! Just let the dirvers do whatever they need to win > thats what I say. But all this about trying the make the sport safer etc - > what a load of rubbish. Theyre choosing to play a high risk sport and geta > fortune for it. Not only that they probably enjoy the risk. So just letthe > dirvers get on with it and lets have some demanding courses added to the > season for a change instead of rubbish like the new Hockenheim. Thatcourse > is now one of the worst Ive ever seen whereas before it was a classic.Whats > happening to the world? Have we all turned into a load of girls or what? I think the new Hockenheim is pretty good myself, much more demanding from our point of view (car setup). Before it was a case of having a good engine and brakes which won't catch on fire... Anybody who saw Montoya and Raikkonen drive half a lap of the new track side by side last year knows why it has the potential to be much better than before. I guess ITV missed that from their broadcast?

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:37 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (John Wallace) wrote: > >> John "sensitive Scot" Wallace > >I thought the whole point of wearing a kilt and no underwear was to >*de*sensitise you? It's the celtic equivalent of circumcision.

Oh no - you should read Irvine Welsh's stuff. The Scottish hard man, although undoubtedly hard, can be enormously sensitive to the faintest slight - male ego writ large. Okay, I'm far from the archetypal Scottish hard man, but then I rarely wear a kilt either, so I'm lacking desensitisation on both counts! >PS Didn't realise you were still around... thought you'd grown up or >something ;-) I think I recently regressed, much to the horror of my wife. Came back from work to find me with the wheel bolted back to the desk and the familiar engine sounds emanating from the office! :-) Actually she's really great with it, but gives me a pretty good slagging whenever she can! Cheers! John

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:40:40 +0100, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I didn't really see anything wrong with what he did. He made one move, from >the racing line over to the right, and Alonso kept going with him instead of >switching back. No big deal. Just because it was Michael Schumacher doesn't >mean you have to make it into a controversial moment <g> It doesn't? Damn, I've been labouring under the weight of an enormous misapprehension! Actually naught to do with Michael, I truly thought it a bad move. He made one move, then continued that move at a slower pace all the way to the right, while Alonso was already getting alongside. Then moved back and took a wider line for the corner. Alonso _had_ him - you could see that already leaving Beckets, and I dislike so defensive driving. Okay, Alonso should have "Manselled" him, faked the moved, but it doesn't excuse what, for me, was an unsportsmanlike block. John

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:01:07 +0100, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Kimi does it to Michael, everybody cheers. Juan Pablo does it to Michael, >everybody cheers. Michael does it to anybody, suddenly he's in league with >the FIA or the devil. That's not the message that was posted, although it may be what you chose to read. When Michael is involved someone generally gets hurt. Hitting Montoya in Malaysia, sticking HHF into a gravel trap in Canada, spinning DC in Argentina, hitting JV - the examples are countless. In neither the Kimi or the Montoya case was Michael closed down to the point where he had no room - both drivers gave him the space he needed. The difference is that Michael's defence tends to be TOO robust, and he maintains a defence even when he should let it go. I know you will disagree with that, and I have been on your side of the fence defending some of the moves Senna made - it just depends upon the tint to your glasses, and _everyone's_ glasses are tinted to some extent. > Michael moved to the inside, and Alonso >should have gone to the outside but didn't. No big deal. I agree, Alonso should - but that doesn't mean Michael was right to stick him on the grass. Hopefully though Alonso will know to either fake Michael and go the other way or hold his line and take them both off - Michael has a LOT more to lose than Alonso. Question - if that were Montoya passing Michael in the same place would Michael have done the same? If not, Michael must have known his move was suspect, and dependent upon the compliance of the guy behind. > Remember >Nurburgring-lite? Alonso moves for the inside at NGK at the same time as DC, >DC gets a bunch of the 'brown adrenaline' and spins off. Was Alonso at >fault? No. This year? Alonso braked 10 metres earlier than at any other lap, and DC had to get the hell out of the way. At that speed an F1 car covers 10 metres VERY quickly, and I don't see what else DC could have done. Was Alonso at fault - fault may not be the right word, but if faults are being apportioned he'll be a lot closer to the front of the queue than DC. >Just lay off the guy a little, he is one of the very best drivers ever to >grace F1, and in 30 years time people will look back on him as such. Whether >you love the guy or hate him, you must concede that. He has the best set of stats in F1, but I think that's all that's been proven. Mika ran him about equal in their time together, JV also when he had a great car. The same about Schumacher is that he's lacking someone to not only push him onward and upward, but to act as a benchmark. Case in point - the one record he doesn't hold in F1 is the record number of pole positions, yet he could well take that sometime in the next couple of seasons. Yet his FIRST EVER pole position was the very next race AFTER Senna died. So where has the competition been? Cheers! John

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Wallace) wrote: > Actually she's really great with it, but gives me a pretty good > slagging whenever she can! Typical woman, giving you the illusion of control over your own destiny :-) Andrew McP