is Vista worth it?

Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading.

shpankey wrote: > Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading.Not yet as far as I can tell. Some people are having serious performance issues even with high end equipment. Wait until drivers mature a lot more.Probably a year or so.Just mho. Mike mls67 TrippBros. Racing

I run Vista and GTR2 and Nascar 2003 with no problems. Computer horsepower is the key and staying on top of new drivers. I install the day it came out just to see for myself how an operating systems matures and how fast. High end components makers and MS have done a pretty good job. The activation process caused me the only grief one month after install but MS support got me through that crisis "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2Pji.2477$[email hidden]... > Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:19:51 -0500, shpankey wrote: > Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading. always wait for the first service pack before installing a new os.

I have a copy just sitting around. I was going to install it, but decided to wait until the bugs are worked out.

thanks all, i'll hold off for awhile i guess then. "John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:468fd22b$0$31237$[email hidden]... >I have a copy just sitting around. I was going to install it, but decided >to wait until the bugs are worked out. >

I ran Vista for 6 months. From the day of release. 2 weeks ago I scrubbed it and went back to XP. It's not that I didn't like Vista. I did. I wanted to keep it. The problem is hardware and software compatibility. I got tired of my higher-end hardware running in half-ass mode. I paid good money for high performance parts, and I want them to run at thier full performance. I also had some software compatibility issues that I needed to get rid of. When SP1 comes out we'll try again. -Larry "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2Pji.2477$[email hidden]... > Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading.

Yeah, having a $600 Video Card and a $400 Sound Card running in half-ass mode really stinks. I went back to XP because of this and other issues. I'll try again when SP1 comes out. I am not convinced that Audio will ever be right again. Microsoft really screwed EVERYONE when they pulled DX Audio from Vista. The likes of Creative are doing the best they can, but they had an entire architecture pulled out from underneath them. -Larry "mls067" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f6Pji.1775$[email hidden]...

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> shpankey wrote: >> Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading. > Not yet as far as I can tell. Some people are having serious performance > issues even with high end equipment. Wait until drivers mature a lot > more.Probably a year or so.Just mho. > > > > > Mike > mls67 > TrippBros. Racing

One other thing. Think REAL hard before buying the Ultimate version. IMHO, it is a complete rip-off. IMHO (and others, it seems) Microsoft has not met it's promise with the delivery of Ultimate Extra's that were to be selective to this version of the OS. I actually feel embarrased that I paid for this version. I should have gone with Premium instead. Unless you MUST have the backup software (which can be replaced with Acronis for $49, and it's tons better), or the few Ultimate and Business version specific networking features (which almost no home user needs), then don't waste so much money on Ultimate. Check the comparison chart carefully. I bet you could do with premium just fine. Don't even consider Ultimate for the Extra's. Ultimate Extra's is a Ghost-Town. There are rumors the team has even been dis-banded. -Larry "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2Pji.2477$[email hidden]... > Can Vista run most sims out there? Thinking about upgrading.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:03:41 -0500, shpankey wrote: > thanks all, i'll hold off for awhile i guess then. > > I'll refrain from upgrading my games machine to anything else unless the next "sim to have" forces me to. I ran 98SE just fine until GTR (online9 broke it and plan to do the same with my copy of XP (anything remotely productive runs on my Linux machine, anyway). All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:16:29 -0400, Larry wrote:

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> Yeah, having a $600 Video Card and a $400 Sound Card running in half-ass > mode really stinks. I went back to XP because of this and other issues. > I'll try again when SP1 comes out. > > I am not convinced that Audio will ever be right again. Microsoft really > screwed EVERYONE when they pulled DX Audio from Vista. The likes of > Creative are doing the best they can, but they had an entire architecture > pulled out from underneath them. >

Let's hope developers learn from this one. I read an article last week that dev MS mindshare dropped by 10% last year, as more people take a serious look at alternatives like Linux. Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Do Like I do, dual boot! you can install vista after you install XP on that "new machine"... All you would need is some help/information on what to do with some hard drive partitioning tools... I like Acronis 10.x for this purpose. Do some googling on the best way to dual boot because it is POSSIBLE to install XP onto a Vista PC, it just is more details to work out. But even easier, is My absolute favorite way to Dual boot: is a 2 Hard drives in one of those swappable drive holders. I got mine from Newegg. Keeps the missus & the kids from screwing up the gaming OS. when I go to game I shut off the PC, swap the trays out, turn on and game. we shut off the PC at night anywho, so when I get done I just wait and swap the drive when power finally goes off (after shut down). easy enough to swap drives that my honey can do it, if I forget (she knows that if her user doesnt show up, means wrong HD in tray. shut off restart after swapping the drive and off she goes to email... Right now though we're just dual booting one HD, fwiw. shpankey enlightened us with:

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> thanks all, i'll hold off for awhile i guess then. > > > "John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:468fd22b$0$31237$[email hidden]... >> I have a copy just sitting around. I was going to install it, but >> decided to wait until the bugs are worked out.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:16:29 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Yeah, having a $600 Video Card and a $400 Sound Card running in half-ass >mode really stinks. I went back to XP because of this and other issues. >I'll try again when SP1 comes out. > >I am not convinced that Audio will ever be right again. Microsoft really >screwed EVERYONE when they pulled DX Audio from Vista. The likes of >Creative are doing the best they can, but they had an entire architecture >pulled out from underneath them. > >-Larry

Well, the way the audio driver is done in Vista is actually better for sound quality but does take up more resources in games. I don't think much of Creative's EAX anyway, too often it sounds too processed and fake. Vista evens the playing field for other soundcard manufacturers. It will all work out well in the end, you'll see.

There was nothing to work out. It was all FINE. It's not fine any more. It's busted. I think the audio under Vista is horrible, especially with on-board sound. -Larry "Gladiator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, the way the audio driver is done in Vista is actually better for > sound quality but does take up more resources in games. I don't think > much of Creative's EAX anyway, too often it sounds too processed and > fake. Vista evens the playing field for other soundcard manufacturers. > It will all work out well in the end, you'll see.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:23:02 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There was nothing to work out. It was all FINE. It's not fine any more. >It's busted. I think the audio under Vista is horrible, especially with >on-board sound. > >-Larry That's due to crap drivers and not Vista. Just like many issues in games in Vista are due to crap video drivers and not Vista itself. The manufacturers are slow getting up to speed with the new driver model. I still don't have a Vista driver for my HP Laser printer.

And the reason for the crap drivers are because Microsoft pulled the entire DX Sound architecture out from under everyone. Like I said. It was fine until MS did that. -Larry "Gladiator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:23:02 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>There was nothing to work out. It was all FINE. It's not fine any more. >>It's busted. I think the audio under Vista is horrible, especially with >>on-board sound. >> >>-Larry > > That's due to crap drivers and not Vista. Just like many issues in > games in Vista are due to crap video drivers and not Vista itself. The > manufacturers are slow getting up to speed with the new driver model. > I still don't have a Vista driver for my HP Laser printer.

And the reason for the ***drivers are because Microsoft pulled the entire DX Sound architecture out from under everyone. Like I said. It was fine until MS did that. -Larry

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>>There was nothing to work out. It was all FINE. It's not fine any more. >>It's busted. I think the audio under Vista is horrible, especially with >>on-board sound. >>-Larry > That's due to ***drivers and not Vista. Just like many issues in > games in Vista are due to ***video drivers and not Vista itself. The > manufacturers are slow getting up to speed with the new driver model. > I still don't have a Vista driver for my HP Laser printer.

"Gladiator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:23:02 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>There was nothing to work out. It was all FINE. It's not fine any >>more. >>It's busted. I think the audio under Vista is horrible, especially >>with >>on-board sound. >> >>-Larry > > That's due to crap drivers and not Vista. Just like many issues in > games in Vista are due to crap video drivers and not Vista itself. The > manufacturers are slow getting up to speed with the new driver model. > I still don't have a Vista driver for my HP Laser printer.

I ran Vista Ultimate for a month or so and didn't have any major problems on the system I built with Vista in mind. I did have a lot of little "glitches" that, over time, made me go back to XP Pro for the time being. One of my issues is the way Vista handles (or tries to) NV SLI technology. I run two 8800 GTX cards and SLI would just turn off at any time Vista wanted it to. I tried every NV Vista driver out there and there are many. This may be due to the partial implementation of the DX 10 runtimes that are in Vista now and may be fixed when the entire DX 10 suite is released. I didn't have any problems with my onboard Dolby sound at all. Some of my A/V programs had updates for Vista compatibility, but a few options were not available anymore due to some of the security "improvements". I think Vista will be fine after the first SP and the full DX 10 release for folks with the hardware needed to run it well. I remember the change from Windows 3.1 to 95 to 98/ME and then to 2000/XP and like any change it will take some time to iron out some issues. Ed

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:12:12 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >And the reason for the crap drivers are because Microsoft pulled the entire >DX Sound architecture out from under everyone. > >Like I said. It was fine until MS did that. > >-Larry They made it better not worse. My audio quality is better in Vista than XP and Creative loses their monopoly. I know losing hardware acceleration costs a few fps in games but that's why they are pushing dual and quad core cpu's.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:35:10 -0500, "Ed Medlin" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >I ran Vista Ultimate for a month or so and didn't have any major >problems on the system I built with Vista in mind. I did have a lot of >little "glitches" that, over time, made me go back to XP Pro for the >time being. One of my issues is the way Vista handles (or tries to) NV >SLI technology. I run two 8800 GTX cards and SLI would just turn off at >any time Vista wanted it to. I tried every NV Vista driver out there and >there are many. This may be due to the partial implementation of the DX >10 runtimes that are in Vista now and may be fixed when the entire DX 10 >suite is released. I didn't have any problems with my onboard Dolby >sound at all. Some of my A/V programs had updates for Vista >compatibility, but a few options were not available anymore due to some >of the security "improvements". I think Vista will be fine after the >first SP and the full DX 10 release for folks with the hardware needed >to run it well. I remember the change from Windows 3.1 to 95 to 98/ME >and then to 2000/XP and like any change it will take some time to iron >out some issues. > >Ed >

Exactly. For now I dual boot XP and Vista so I have all bases covered. Later I may dump XP but I have no reason to because big HDD's are cheap now so there is no reason not to dual boot. I'm not concerned about a bit of HHD space what with the footprint of some games out there now. I dual boot by using the mb's bios to select which HDD to boot to so each OS is kept intact with no dual boot menu needed. If one goes down the other will still be bootable without having to edit the boot menu.

It's not all about games... -Larry "Gladiator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:12:12 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>And the reason for the crap drivers are because Microsoft pulled the >>entire >>DX Sound architecture out from under everyone. >> >>Like I said. It was fine until MS did that. >> >>-Larry > > They made it better not worse. My audio quality is better in Vista > than XP and Creative loses their monopoly. I know losing hardware > acceleration costs a few fps in games but that's why they are pushing > dual and quad core cpu's.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:52:17 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's not all about games... > >-Larry Yea, and I was actually talking about for music. I've got an X-Fi running digital coax to an EMU 0404 USB and then to an Audiolab 8000A amp with Sennheiser HD595 headphones and Energy Reference Connoisseur speakers with an Energy S8.3 sub.