Re: RAS buys CART - Where do we race?

Not a bad schedule, although I'd like to see another road course between Long Beach and Indy. Miami maybe? Oh and ditch Texas, that place is a deathtrap for open wheel cars. -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J2eVa.573320$[email hidden]... > Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. >SNIP< > Number of races? I'd say 19 is a maximum you could squeeze in. So my > season would be: > > Phoenix International Raceway > Long Beach > Indy > Milwaukee > Toronto > Cleveland > Laguna Seca > Surfers Paradise > Fuji > Michigan > Road America > Kansas > Eurospeedway(Lausitz) > Spa > Brands Hatch GP > Texas > Mexico City > Rio Oval > California > > >

Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. Tony George dies (or alternatively, as a nod to some here, returns to the underworld whence he came) everybody kisses and makes up. And North American Open Wheel Racing is back under one big tent. The question is where do we race? It's sort of on topic because I'd like to create the ideal season ( that should be) once the CART Mod for F1 200x comes out. I agree with Mario that what made the series the best was the diversity of the tracks; Street circuits, Road courses, Short ovals and Superspeedways. But which ones? Historical venues or newer markets? The series should be American based but how for a field should we go? Europe? Japan? Brazil? Here are my ideas: Indy (obviously) with Milwaukee to follow. I like the idea of starting the season at Phoenix. It's got lots of history and it's a quirky short oval that makes everyone think. Michigan also has history on it's side and almost always has a good race. It 's close Detriot and would really allow the cars to stretch there legs and tax the engines for 500 miles. Of course then do you need California as well? Got to have Long Beach. The Molson Indy's are hugely popular up here in Canada but the tracks don't make for great racing. I'd say keep Toronto and ditch Vancouver. Montreal provides better racing but do you really need to race at an F1 circuit? Keep Surfers Paradise. Who doesn't like going to Australia? Motegi I guess so, if you want Japanese engines, but how about Fuji instead? Got to keep Mexico City, but Monterrey, although popular always seemed an odd circuit to me. Road America is one of the best road courses in the world. Ditto Laguna Seca but do you need Mid-Ohio? It never seemed to be a good fit for Champ Cars. Sears Point, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen (the proper track) and Mosport are all new possibilities. Europe? That's a tough one. We'd always be second fiddle to F1 and the theory is it dilutes American interest and makes it hard to sell the series to American Sponsors. Still the idea of them at Spa and Brands GP is appealing. Number of races? I'd say 19 is a maximum you could squeeze in. So my season would be: Phoenix International Raceway Long Beach Indy Milwaukee Toronto Cleveland Laguna Seca Surfers Paradise Fuji Michigan Road America Kansas Eurospeedway(Lausitz) Spa Brands Hatch GP Texas Mexico City Rio Oval California

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> Not a bad schedule, although I'd like to see another road course between > Long Beach and Indy. Miami maybe? Oh and ditch Texas, that place is a > deathtrap for open wheel cars. > > -- > don > > ------------------------------------- > BAPOM > Alternative Program Covers for GPL > http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ > > > "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J2eVa.573320$[email hidden]... > > Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. > >SNIP< > > Number of races? I'd say 19 is a maximum you could squeeze in. So my > > season would be: > > > > Phoenix International Raceway > > Long Beach > > Indy > > Milwaukee > > Toronto > > Cleveland > > Laguna Seca > > Surfers Paradise > > Fuji > > Michigan > > Road America > > Kansas > > Eurospeedway(Lausitz) > > Spa > > Brands Hatch GP > > Texas > > Mexico City > > Rio Oval > > California > > > > > > > >

Let me guess. You are from Toronto right? How about ditch Toronto and keep Vancouver. Two weeks ago I was in Toronto for the CART race and this weekend I was in Vancouver of course (yes, I am from Vancouver). The Toronto circuit is rather boring leaving little to the drivers' skills and everything to the setups. Vancouver is a better mix of both where drivers pay the price for their tiniest mistakes. Montreal is definitely better than Toronto and perhaps better than Vancouver (although I hate to admit it). Given that Montreal has F1 (re: your argument about CART being second fiddle to F1), I have to go with: 1- Vancouver 2- Montreal 2- Toronto Andre All in all, I like your schedule but move Cleveland after Milwakee, then Vancouver, Laguna Seca, etc.... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:36:25 GMT, "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. >Tony George dies (or alternatively, as a nod to some here, returns to the >underworld whence he came) everybody kisses and makes up. And North >American Open Wheel Racing is back under one big tent. The question is >where do we race? > >It's sort of on topic because I'd like to create the ideal season ( that >should be) once the CART Mod for F1 200x comes out. > >I agree with Mario that what made the series the best was the diversity of >the tracks; Street circuits, Road courses, Short ovals and Superspeedways. >But which ones? Historical venues or newer markets? >The series should be American based but how for a field should we go? >Europe? Japan? Brazil? > >Here are my ideas: > >Indy (obviously) with Milwaukee to follow. >I like the idea of starting the season at Phoenix. It's got lots of history >and it's a quirky short oval that makes everyone think. >Michigan also has history on it's side and almost always has a good race. It >'s close Detriot and would really allow the cars to stretch there legs and >tax the engines for 500 miles. Of course then do you need California as >well? >Got to have Long Beach. >The Molson Indy's are hugely popular up here in Canada but the tracks don't >make for great racing. I'd say keep Toronto and ditch Vancouver. Montreal >provides better racing but do you really need to race at an F1 circuit? >Keep Surfers Paradise. Who doesn't like going to Australia? >Motegi I guess so, if you want Japanese engines, but how about Fuji instead? >Got to keep Mexico City, but Monterrey, although popular always seemed an >odd circuit to me. > Road America is one of the best road courses in the world. Ditto Laguna >Seca but do you need Mid-Ohio? It never seemed to be a good fit for Champ >Cars. >Sears Point, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen (the proper track) and Mosport are >all new possibilities. >Europe? That's a tough one. We'd always be second fiddle to F1 and the >theory is it dilutes American interest and makes it hard to sell the series >to American Sponsors. Still the idea of them at Spa and Brands GP is >appealing. > >Number of races? I'd say 19 is a maximum you could squeeze in. So my >season would be: > >Phoenix International Raceway >Long Beach >Indy >Milwaukee >Toronto >Cleveland >Laguna Seca >Surfers Paradise >Fuji >Michigan >Road America >Kansas >Eurospeedway(Lausitz) >Spa >Brands Hatch GP >Texas >Mexico City >Rio Oval >California > >

In article <J2eVa.573320$[email hidden]>, "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> writes: >Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. >Tony George dies (or alternatively, as a nod to some here, returns to the >underworld whence he came) everybody kisses and makes up. And North >American Open Wheel Racing is back under one big tent. The question is >where do we race? > Doesn't matter. The posting of the schedule will be overwhelmed by an obscene quantity of posts concerning RASCAR. None of the teams will show up for the races because they didn't know. Don McCorkle

Firstly......... If you want to make it an international series then you *must* have a selection of international tracks - this also aids in building popularity for the series and provides a focus point for those fans who follow their countrymen in the CART series. Therefore it would be essential to retain Australia (because of the Team Green connection). You would also have to include at least one South American track, because of the number of drivers from that continent, Britain should be represented and also Japan, where apparently there is a reasonably strong following for CART. Should you decide to base the entire season within the continental United States then you will suffer a downturn in interest from the international audience and you cannot afford to do that. Secondly............. You should go all-out to acquire at least one current, successful, Formula One driver for your next season. Preferably Mr. Schumacher but, failing him, someone like Rubens or Kimi or even get Jacques to make a comeback. The most lucrative season ever in CART history was the one in which Nigel Mansell won the championship. See if you can regain lost ground. Bruce. "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J2eVa.573320$[email hidden]... > Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar.

"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > The only thing unanswered is whether Dave Henrie is under > investigation regarding the mysterious demise of Mr. G... > D'ya think they'd beleive an Insanity Plea????? dave (got my wooden stakes right here) henrie

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>Let me guess. You are from Toronto right? How about ditch Toronto >and keep Vancouver. Two weeks ago I was in Toronto for the CART race >and this weekend I was in Vancouver of course (yes, I am from >Vancouver). The Toronto circuit is rather boring leaving little to >the drivers' skills and everything to the setups. Vancouver is a >better mix of both where drivers pay the price for their tiniest >mistakes. > >Montreal is definitely better than Toronto and perhaps better than >Vancouver (although I hate to admit it). Given that Montreal has F1 >(re: your argument about CART being second fiddle to F1), I have to go >with: >1- Vancouver >2- Montreal >2- Toronto > >Andre

I disagree. Vancouver is a dreadful circuit when it comes to racing. There's nowhere whatsoever to pass on that track effectively. Toronto at least has turn 3. Turn 6 would be an overtaking zone at Vancouver if not for the aero-push you get behind someone in turn 5. But Montreal is better than either of those places. ;) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

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> Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a dollar. > Tony George dies (or alternatively, as a nod to some here, returns to the > underworld whence he came) everybody kisses and makes up. And North > American Open Wheel Racing is back under one big tent. The question is > where do we race? > > It's sort of on topic because I'd like to create the ideal season ( that > should be) once the CART Mod for F1 200x comes out. >

Fantasy and all... what about the real 'ring and the old Silverstone... I live in Cincinnati so I'll say the Mid-Ohio course slur was uncalled for... I have to have a something to plan on... Timmy

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> > "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J2eVa.573320$[email hidden]... >> Dateline January 2004 - CART goes bankrupt and RAS buys it for a >> dollar. Tony George dies (or alternatively, as a nod to some here, >> returns to the underworld whence he came) everybody kisses and makes >> up. And North American Open Wheel Racing is back under one big tent. >> The question is where do we race? >> >> It's sort of on topic because I'd like to create the ideal season ( >> that should be) once the CART Mod for F1 200x comes out. >> > Fantasy and all... > what about the real 'ring and the old Silverstone... > I live in Cincinnati so I'll say the Mid-Ohio course slur was uncalled > for... I have to have a something to plan on... > Timmy > > >

Well there are two F1 2k2 versions of Mid Ohio...so getting them For F1 C shouldn't take too much work. And I think one of the historic mod groups will be re-doing tracks to match the early 70's or late 60's configs...Don't know how many tracks or which ones...but that should be a start... dave henrie

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:36:25 GMT, "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Surfers Paradise Bathurst >Fuji Suzuka >Kansas Nazareth >Eurospeedway(Lausitz) Nordschleife >Texas Pocono >Rio Oval Interlagos >California Infineon Jason

Bathurst Suzuka Nazareth Nordschleife Pocono Interlagos Infineon Jason

"Melandre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Let me guess. You are from Toronto right? How about ditch Toronto > and keep Vancouver. <cut> Actually I'm from B.C. And I've been to a few Vancouver Indy's. I said Toronto because I was thinking of keeping a Canadian presence, the course is better than Vancouver, trying to keep the right number of Street circuits and Toronto has more money Molson clout etc. I guess the last couple are more real world concerns and not important in a fantasy sim thread. I do agree that Molson Indy Vancouver has a great atmosphere. CART is really appreciated. Everyone loves coming to Vancouver. And it makes a ton of money, unlike other venues. But really you have to admit it's a crappy course to actually race on. If we're going all fantasy then how about Westwood. Now there was a track!! There was talk back in the SCGT days that some one was going to make it. Anybody know anything about that? PS Hey Melandre do you know what's going on with Merritt? They announced it two years ago now. I read about it first in Autosport. And they allegedly broke ground last year but I haven't heard boo about it since.