What The?? Nobody cared... Dirt is out?

I guess I have never owned a game from CODEMASTERS, so I have no idea what to expect, but one online friend says he played the PC version and liked it... nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess?

> I guess I have never owned a game from CODEMASTERS, so I have no idea what to expect, but one online friend says he > played the PC version and liked it... It's a bit late but there are still a few playing Toca Race Driver 3. The offline part of Race Driver 2 had bit of a story line to it, but RD3 is better. However, the career mode, and time trials are all done in arcade mode, as opposed to what the game calls "Pro Sim" mode. Also some of the cars are awful in "Pro Sim" mode.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:11:31 -0500, "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the >ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? >Nope, you want to go here to get the lowdown on racing sims. Which is in the process of moving to a new server right now. http://forum.rscnet.org/

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:45:13 GMT, Gladiator <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:11:31 -0500, "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the >>ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? >> >Nope, you want to go here to get the lowdown on racing sims. Which is >in the process of moving to a new server right now. > > >http://forum.rscnet.org/

Hmm. RSC is a great resource if you want some info about a particular sim, but it's far too biased IMO. The biggest problem there is, again IMO, that moderators of (sub)forums are enthousiast or even developers of the sim/mod they're moderating. There isn't much to talk about, nowadays. rFactor has a mod for each user, it seems. Everybody is playing his/her own game. NKPro is, sadly, a joke. GTR/GTLegends/GTR2 are too soft (FX:sound of zipping up Nomex suit), GPL/NR2003 are too old, Racing Legends is....errr... better not talk about that. I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a revolution in simracing. Cheers! Remco

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> > I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a > revolution in simracing. > > Cheers! > > Remco

I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Darus <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Jul 11, 7:08 am, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: >. >> >> I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a >> revolution in simracing. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Remco > > > > >I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list.

Is it a mod for rFactor? Or in any way based on ISI code? Cheers! Remco

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Darus <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >On Jul 11, 7:08 am, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: > >. > > >> I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a > >> revolution in simracing. > > >> Cheers! > > >> Remco > > >I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list. > > Is it a mod for rFactor? Or in any way based on ISI code? > > Cheers! > > Remco

Hey RM! Long time no see! How you doin'? Tim

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:45:13 GMT, Gladiator <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:11:31 -0500, "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>> nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the >>> ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? >>> >> Nope, you want to go here to get the lowdown on racing sims. Which is >> in the process of moving to a new server right now. >> >> >> http://forum.rscnet.org/ > > Hmm. RSC is a great resource if you want some info about a particular > sim, but it's far too biased IMO. The biggest problem there is, again > IMO, that moderators of (sub)forums are enthousiast or even developers > > of the sim/mod they're moderating. > > There isn't much to talk about, nowadays. rFactor has a mod for each > user, it seems. Everybody is playing his/her own game. NKPro is, > sadly, a joke. GTR/GTLegends/GTR2 are too soft (FX:sound of zipping up > Nomex suit), GPL/NR2003 are too old, Racing Legends is....errr... > better not talk about that. > > I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a > revolution in simracing. > > Cheers! > > Remco > > >

Live for Speed fills the gap quite nicely

In article <46954e8f$0$4861$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > Live for Speed fills the gap quite nicely > Live for Speed is amazing. I like where it is at, and where it is going. I think anyone that dismisses it because of 'fantasy cars' or 'fantasy tracks' is doing themselves a great disservice. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8 SEARCHING FOR GPL LOADING READY. RUN

I played the Dirt demo on xbox360 and it was pretty damn cool, just that pos controller. I can't drive with a thumbstick. The graphics are really nice. I can't say much about the physics due to the controller.

"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:46956931$0$30640$[email hidden]... >I played the Dirt demo on xbox360 and it was pretty damn cool, just that >pos controller. I can't drive with a thumbstick. The graphics are really >nice. I can't say much about the physics due to the controller. > Son't worry, you aren't missing much. I have the MS Racing Wheel (which is freakin' awesome with Forza 2, btw). It doesn't improve the Dirt experience. Those CORR off road buggie/truck things are fun, but everything else is a turd. Bummer too, cause i was really looking forward to having two good racing titles for the 360. Forza 2 rocks! If only it had some real racing series in it. - Will

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:11:31 -0500, "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: :>I guess I have never owned a game from CODEMASTERS, so I have no idea what :>to expect, but one online friend says he played the PC version and liked :>it... :> :>nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the :>ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? :> Check out the Codemaster's forums at: http://community.codemasters.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=536 There are a few people who claim to have no problems and a lot of people who are having serious problems. Looks like it needs a couple of more patches before it will be fully playable. BTW, from what I read, the first patch was actually released before the game was even on the store shelves. Also, the recommended hardware requirements are really the minimum requirements and the minimum requirements are really a joke. Starforce rears its ugly head again too. Reports are that you can trick the game into starting without an active internet connection but if you do your save games end up corrupted. Or you use the NoDVD patch. :-) me/2

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>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:11:31 -0500, "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >:>I guess I have never owned a game from CODEMASTERS, so I have no idea what >:>to expect, but one online friend says he played the PC version and liked >:>it... >:> >:>nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be for good bad or the >:>ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? >:> > >Check out the Codemaster's forums at: > >http://community.codemasters.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=536 > >There are a few people who claim to have no problems and a lot of >people who are having serious problems. Looks like it needs a couple >of more patches before it will be fully playable. BTW, from what I >read, the first patch was actually released before the game was even >on the store shelves. Also, the recommended hardware requirements are >really the minimum requirements and the minimum requirements are >really a joke. > >Starforce rears its ugly head again too. Reports are that you can >trick the game into starting without an active internet connection but >if you do your save games end up corrupted. > >Or you use the NoDVD patch. :-) > >me/2

It's Starforce?? That totally screwed up my PC with the last game I installed (I think it was GT Legend?) and I ended up having to reformat my HD and resintall XP. I just bought DIRT from GoGamer but haven't installed it yet. I will not now for sure ($40 down the drain). How are we supposed to know if a game comes with SF BEFORE we buy it??

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>On Jul 11, 8:56 am, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Darus <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >On Jul 11, 7:08 am, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: >> >. >> >> >> I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a >> >> revolution in simracing. >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> Remco >> >> >I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list. >> >> Is it a mod for rFactor? Or in any way based on ISI code? >> >> Cheers! >> >> Remco > >Hey RM! > >Long time no see! How you doin'?

Heya Tim! Still kicking, although I don't race that much any more. How are you? Cheers! Remco

"Plowboy" wrote... >I guess I have never owned a game from CODEMASTERS, > so I have no idea what to expect, but one online friend says > he played the PC version and liked it... > > nothing on here though... RAS no longer the place to be > for good bad or the ugly Racing sims anymore, I guess? I don't know about other posters, but I indeed stopped caring after TOCA2 and CMR2, which is about 6 or 7 games ago. Codemasters don't make racing simulations, end of story. Jan. =---

Check out the latest autosimsport issue for a good preview on that arca thing, and yes, it seems to be based on ISI code. uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Ugh.... -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Darus <[email hidden]> > > >I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list. > > Is it a mod for rFactor? Or in any way based on ISI code? > > Remco

ARCA is not a mod. It's a standalone sim, but like the SimBin stuff it is based on the ISI code. I think it's going to be the best stock car simulation released to date. Pat Dotson UltraForce Simulators http://www.ultraforcesim.com

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>I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a >revolution in simracing. > >Cheers! > >Remco > >

Hope so, but I enjoy rFactor and GTR2 for now. They are good racing sims.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:41:37 -0400, timmy thompson <[email hidden]> wrote: > Live for Speed fills the gap quite nicely I've got demo but isn't that purely an online game? I like offline racing sims better.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:56:12 -0600, PW <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's Starforce?? That totally screwed up my PC with the last game I >installed (I think it was GT Legend?) and I ended up having to >reformat my HD and resintall XP. One thing I leanrt about Starforce. Don't isntall it from CDRW or DVRW drives. If you install it from a plain jane cheap cd or DVD drive it should not give you any issues. I suspect Starforce of destroying two of my recordable drives. Both developed the exact same issue not long after installing a game with Starforce. Could be coincidence but I don't think so and I can't prove it one or another though.

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>I don't know about other posters, but I indeed stopped caring after TOCA2 >and CMR2, which is about 6 or 7 games ago. > >Codemasters don't make racing simulations, end of story. > >Jan. >=--- >

I have Toca2 but can't even play it anyway because something changed in directx that causes the game to freeze whenever I try to calibrate my MS Wheel. I've been through all the possible fixes and contacted their support and it just won't work. I do have Vista now so may try it on there but like you say, I'm not missing much anyway. I just like to be able to use products I paid good money for.

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>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:56:12 -0600, PW ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>It's Starforce?? That totally screwed up my PC with the last game I >>installed (I think it was GT Legend?) and I ended up having to >>reformat my HD and resintall XP. > >One thing I leanrt about Starforce. Don't isntall it from CDRW or DVRW >drives. If you install it from a plain jane cheap cd or DVD drive it >should not give you any issues. I suspect Starforce of destroying two >of my recordable drives. Both developed the exact same issue not long >after installing a game with Starforce. Could be coincidence but I >don't think so and I can't prove it one or another though.

Thanks for the heads up. Makes sense to me that it would destroy recordable drives (which every computer must come with these days). I am not going to swap a drive just to install this game. I am going to throw it away. I found a couple web sites that list what games come out with StarForce attached and will use their lists before purchasing any new software. Thanks again!

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:06:33 GMT, Gladiator <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:56:12 -0600, PW >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>> It's Starforce?? That totally screwed up my PC with the last game I >>> installed (I think it was GT Legend?) and I ended up having to >>> reformat my HD and resintall XP. >> One thing I leanrt about Starforce. Don't isntall it from CDRW or DVRW >> drives. If you install it from a plain jane cheap cd or DVD drive it >> should not give you any issues. I suspect Starforce of destroying two >> of my recordable drives. Both developed the exact same issue not long >> after installing a game with Starforce. Could be coincidence but I >> don't think so and I can't prove it one or another though. > > Thanks for the heads up. Makes sense to me that it would destroy > recordable drives (which every computer must come with these days). I > am not going to swap a drive just to install this game. I am going to > throw it away. > > I found a couple web sites that list what games come out with > StarForce attached and will use their lists before purchasing any new > software. > > Thanks again!

At least sell it on ebay instead of throwing it away!

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No LFS is offline too. The AI is quite good.

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>Thanks for the heads up. Makes sense to me that it would destroy >recordable drives (which every computer must come with these days). I >am not going to swap a drive just to install this game. I am going to >throw it away. > >I found a couple web sites that list what games come out with >StarForce attached and will use their lists before purchasing any new >software. > >Thanks again!

You can have two optical drives in your PC. That's what I do. The Liteon DVD dirve is for gaming, movies etc. and the Samsung recordable is purely for recording to. Saves wear and tear that way too. A plain DVD drive is dirt cheap.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:17:36 -0000, Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote: >No LFS is offline too. The AI is quite good. Good, haven't delved into the demo much yet but will play it some more and then buy the game if I really like it. Thanks.

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> On Jul 14, 6:01 pm, Gladiator <[email hidden]> wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:41:37 -0400, timmy thompson > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Live for Speed fills the gap quite nicely > > > > I've got demo but isn't that purely an online game? I like offline > > racing sims better. > > No LFS is offline too. The AI is quite good. > >

Say again? The AI is virtually useless at this point. They were AI programmed back in the S1 days and they know not how to utilize the advances since S2. You could try to let them learn a track and passing if they could pit and refuel, but they cannot do that. Plus they don't know tire temperatures and shred tires. Those are the two biggies that I can think of at the moment. The developer has said that AI is next on the list of things to work on. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8 SEARCHING FOR GPL LOADING READY. RUN

I read that the PC version has StarForce. I guess they are one of the few that haven't learned. That x's it off my list right off the bat. -Larry "Gladiator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:08:19 GMT, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: > > >>I guess we're all waiting for iRacing. I think that will be a >>revolution in simracing. >> >>Cheers! >> >>Remco >> >> > Hope so, but I enjoy rFactor and GTR2 for now. They are good racing > sims.

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>On Jul 11, 9:56 am, no@email (Remco Moedt) wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Darus <[email hidden]> >> >> >I'd add ARCA Sim Racing as well to the "I'm waiting for THAT!" list. >> >> Is it a mod for rFactor? Or in any way based on ISI code? >> >> Remco > >ARCA is not a mod. It's a standalone sim, but like the SimBin stuff >it is based on the ISI code. I think it's going to be the best stock >car simulation released to date.

Thanks, Pat. Somehow I never liked the ISI code, but who knows... Cheers! Remco

> >At least sell it on ebay instead of throwing it away! I don't do eBay, never been there, never will. Besides - I'd never pass on Starforce to anyone! :-)

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>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:02:22 -0600, PW ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Thanks for the heads up. Makes sense to me that it would destroy >>recordable drives (which every computer must come with these days). I >>am not going to swap a drive just to install this game. I am going to >>throw it away. >> >>I found a couple web sites that list what games come out with >>StarForce attached and will use their lists before purchasing any new >>software. >> >>Thanks again! > >You can have two optical drives in your PC. That's what I do. The >Liteon DVD dirve is for gaming, movies etc. and the Samsung recordable >is purely for recording to. Saves wear and tear that way too. A plain >DVD drive is dirt cheap.

I installed a replacement Lite-On DVD-RW and a Lite-On CD-RW and things have been great since so I am not going to mess with my system no more! Thanks!

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:51:20 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I read that the PC version has StarForce. I guess they are one of the few >that haven't learned. That x's it off my list right off the bat. > >-Larry Which game? GTR2? GTL does but not GTR2.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:14:50 -0600, PW <[email hidden]> wrote: >I installed a replacement Lite-On DVD-RW and a Lite-On CD-RW and >things have been great since so I am not going to mess with my system >no more! > >Thanks! OK, but I don't see why you need two RW drives. RW drives are known to be problematic with copy protection schemes beyond just Starforce. It's better to have one RW drive and one plain DVD drive. It's your choice though.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:13:38 -0400, Michael Sisson <[email hidden]> wrote: >The developer has said that AI is next on the list of things to work on. > > >MRSisson Hmm, thanks for that. I'll wait until they fix the AI before I buy it.

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>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:14:50 -0600, PW ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I installed a replacement Lite-On DVD-RW and a Lite-On CD-RW and >>things have been great since so I am not going to mess with my system >>no more! >> >>Thanks! > >OK, but I don't see why you need two RW drives. RW drives are known to >be problematic with copy protection schemes beyond just Starforce. >It's better to have one RW drive and one plain DVD drive. It's your >choice though.

Huh. Good Question! I guess I was thinking one for recording DVDs and one for recording CDs. I'd like to make backups of my original ones just in case, especially CDs because I have ruined many in my truck on dirt roads and would only bring my backup CDs with me. I don't think I really need to backup DVDs so good point. I don't have a DVD vid-cam. Oh well, I am not going to mess with my hardware any more than I have too. Maybe I will have a couple nips of courage one night and install Dirt after backing up but may regret installing Starforce! -pw

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>Huh. Good Question! I guess I was thinking one for recording DVDs >and one for recording CDs. I'd like to make backups of my original >ones just in case, especially CDs because I have ruined many in my >truck on dirt roads and would only bring my backup CDs with me. I >don't think I really need to backup DVDs so good point. I don't have >a DVD vid-cam. > >Oh well, I am not going to mess with my hardware any more than I have >too. > >Maybe I will have a couple nips of courage one night and install Dirt >after backing up but may regret installing Starforce! > >-pw

DVD-RW's burn cd's too. If you need to copy a cd you put the one cd in the DVD-RW drive to be copied and it stores the data to an image file on the HDD and then uses that image file to burn a new copy. Afterwards the software will delete that image file on the HDD if you set it to do that in the options. Only need one DVD-RW to do everything you want.

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>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:00:10 -0600, PW ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Huh. Good Question! I guess I was thinking one for recording DVDs >>and one for recording CDs. I'd like to make backups of my original >>ones just in case, especially CDs because I have ruined many in my >>truck on dirt roads and would only bring my backup CDs with me. I >>don't think I really need to backup DVDs so good point. I don't have >>a DVD vid-cam. >> >>Oh well, I am not going to mess with my hardware any more than I have >>too. >> >>Maybe I will have a couple nips of courage one night and install Dirt >>after backing up but may regret installing Starforce! >> >>-pw > >DVD-RW's burn cd's too. If you need to copy a cd you put the one cd in >the DVD-RW drive to be copied and it stores the data to an image file >on the HDD and then uses that image file to burn a new copy. >Afterwards the software will delete that image file on the HDD if you >set it to do that in the options. Only need one DVD-RW to do >everything you want.

My system came with both so I replace both. I did not even know about Starforce when I bought it! Oh well, like I said - not for one game am I going to mess with my hardware. I am just going to do some research before buying any software that has Starforce attached with it. Thanks! -pw