RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

Okay, this weekend is going to be our first RASF1 race, and I thought I'd start up a thread with details for people. Maybe we can get an idea of how many people can attend, and if there are any clashes for a particular driver. All of this stuff below is just me winging it a bit, so if you don't agree, reply. I'm just making this up as I go along <g> Rules We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that? We'll have to decide soon <g> Aids All aids are allowed, except invulnerability. Circuit The new Hockenheimring as raced in 2002 (and 2003, natch). There are plenty of run-off areas around the track, so I think we ought to decide what we can and can't use. Generally I would say that you can use any tarmac available to you, with a few exceptions. Please try to keep to the circuit. Don't cut the corner apexes. In F1C this isn't so much of a problem as F1 2002 was, but lets try and have a clean first race, eh? These turn numbers are for the major turns (the FIA numbers and F1C numbers are different). T1(R) Nordkurve Fast, but be careful on the start. If you want to run wide during the race onto the tarmac out there, you can, I reckon. The grass-crete ends on the left of the s/f straight just as you brake, so make sure you're not feet dirty coming in here. T2(R)/3(L) Einfahrt parabolica Could be hairy on L1 <g>. Not really much else to say here. If you want to defend your line, make an early move to the inside (this applies everywhere). We are racing online and lag is a problem. T4(R) Spitzkehre (Hairpin) Nothing much to note. The problem might be blocking around the, er, Hochgeschwindigkeits (parabolica), but we'll have to wait and see. T5(R)/6(L) It's very easy to run across the tarmac on the inside here if you screw up. The game doesn't punish you if you rejoin before T7, so if you do cut across, it would be nice and gentlemanly of you to redress any gains you made on racers around you ;-) T8(R) This suffers from some wildly inaccurate (and punishing) kerbs. Hitting the inside kerb will push you out, and hitting the outside kerb is okay until you try and get off the damn thing, which is difficult to do without spinning. Safer to straddle the kerb to the end and then drive off. T13(R)/14(R) Sudkurve You can run off the circuit at the bottom here if you like. They do in real life. I'm running 1:22.5's as a best laptime, I think, race setup. Usually more like 1:25's in amongst the AI. That's in my Sauber, with a conservative setup (ie comfortable). I've done 74 laps, apparently. Time I believe we agreed on noon EST, which is 5pm UK time, 6pm Europe (that's my maths, DO NOT trust those times <g>). Be careful when following other cars. In F1C the rear wings seem to be stuck on the cars with the chief mechanics' chewing gum. Any impact around the rear of the car will see a rear wing fly off, even a soft sideways impact on a rear wheel. Strange, but we have to live with it. It means that people aren't going to be best pleased with a punt up the backside, so be careful under braking. A loss of front wing just makes the car annoying to drive, whereas a rear wing loss means it's almost impossible to even crawl back to the pits. Lets all make this, the inaugural [sp?] race of RASF1 a pretty decent race... tempting fate ;-) Nick

If there's any spaces, I'd like to book one. Don't mind about car or driver. I have raced with RASCAR before. Regards "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bg9c08$mbo1n$[email hidden]... > Okay, this weekend is going to be our first RASF1 race, and I thought I'd > start up a thread with details for people. Maybe we can get an idea of how > many people can attend, and if there are any clashes for a particular > driver. All of this stuff below is just me winging it a bit, so if youdon't > agree, reply. I'm just making this up as I go along <g>[snip]

"Neil Charlton" wrote... > If there's any spaces, I'd like to book one. Don't mind > about car or driver. I have raced with RASCAR before. You can have my spot (Jaguar - Pedro De La Rosa) for this race. I won't be able to attend Sunday. Jan. =---

Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability control - it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon. All of the 'ridiculous' times set for F1 2002 on the EA site were done with stability control turned on.

> Rules > We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the > practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that? > We'll have to decide soon <g> No real preference accept distance. Does 40 - 50% sound good? > Aids > All aids are allowed, except invulnerability. Agreed! The cleaner the racing lines the better! > Time > I believe we agreed on noon EST, which is 5pm UK time, 6pm Europe (that'smy > maths, DO NOT trust those times <g>). Okay. -- Pete Panaia Animator \ 3D Artist

In article <bg9c08$mbo1n$[email hidden]>, "Nick" <[email hidden]> writes: >Rules >We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the >practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that? >We'll have to decide soon <g> 5x fuel, 7x tires 40% race... All aids on except invulnerability? Don't the aids make you faster in this case? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > 5x fuel, 7x tires 40% race... > All aids on except invulnerability? Don't the aids make you faster in > this case? "Stability Control" does, like Damien said. Other aids can actually make you slower. All the aliens set their times with no aids.

Jan - you're a gentleman ::)) Many thanks "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CBYVa.42245$[email hidden]...

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> "Neil Charlton" wrote... > > If there's any spaces, I'd like to book one. Don't mind > > about car or driver. I have raced with RASCAR before. > > You can have my spot (Jaguar - Pedro De La Rosa) for this race. I won't be > able to attend Sunday. > > Jan. > =--- > >

On 31 Jul 2003 03:34:34 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >5x fuel, 7x tires 40% race... >All aids on except invulnerability? Don't the aids make you faster in this >case? I'm playing with no aids, but overall I think we should go with no aids but traction control, auto upshifts, and clutch assistance, as the first 2 are authentic for 2002. I'd be even happier without clutch assistance, but I would concede that if stability/ABS/etc are banned. Also, I must have missed it. We're racing noon on Saturday? What's the IP of the server? Are we using F1rst or can you direct connect? Is there a RAS F1 website? Are we going to have any actual rules? What about the server car? Points? Pitbabes? Forza Minardi. When I get some practice in I'll post a VCR/SVM combo for anyone who is interested. Jason

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:00:30 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability control - >it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around >corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon. As someone who was once abandoned by a homosexual, I find the above statement offensive. Jason

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:56:01 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: >Forza Minardi. When I get some practice in I'll post a VCR/SVM combo >for anyone who is interested. Anyone care to share their times for 02 hock? I've gotten the Minardi into the 19's but I've got a feeling I should be doing 16's or 17's. WR on f1rst is a 1:21 but that's not a particularly reliable source. So far I've noticed a few general things: Turn 1 - As long as you don't brake and stay in a fairly high gear to keep your speed up, it seems like you can totally arse the line without having a huge affect on laptimes. The runoff on the outside of the turn is solid and WIIIIIDE so you have a ton of time to gather up the car if you're pushing too hard. If you do push too hard, the time you gain from carrying extra speed down the straight seems to be pretty much nullified by taking a crap line. Turn 2 - With high downforce you can brake way beyond the AI's groove, all the way up to if not past the 50 marker, and still have plenty of grip left to make the next complex. After turn 2 the right hander opens up fairly quickly so you can get on the gas hard. With a decent setup you should be flat coming out of turn 3 and through turn 4. Turn 5 - Er, this is a straight. Gas. Turn 6 - Hairpin - I've done everything I can to carry speed through this corner and I've come to the conclusion that it's useless. A tight car will kill your laptimes here, and a loose car (basically one that works everywhere else) will spin off if you try to push it too hard. Best time through here is braking early and hard at the 100 marker and cutting the kerb as much as possible, using a little throttle to push out to the exit kerb then hard on the gas down the straight. Turn 7 is fast. Very fast. I do a quick lift at the 50, aim for the right hand kerb, and gas it hard all the way through turn 8 towards turn 9. Turn 9 looks faster than it is. I've found the best line is to brake hard when the kerb ends on the right, use as much kerb as possible at the apex, and gas it hard while still trying to keep left since it's a short straight. Turn 10 - Er, basically a short straight. Turn 11 - Still working on the approach to this. Seems a slight tap of the brakes or a lift will give a similar speed through here. A tough corner to get right as you can't use more than the edge of either kerb due to their shape. You want speed coming out of it but more importantly you want to stay off the exit kerb because taking too much of it is like driving in a deep rut. Turns 12-17 - Classic stadium section. Not much to say, altho you can take a good chunk of it flat out since you're running more downforce than you would on the old hockenheim ring. Turn 12 seems to like hard braking and early apex, I'm finding late braking will cause uncontrollable push whereas early braking will you get you lined up nicely and fully on the throttle the entire corner.Turn 16 has a nice flat extended kerb that screams "ride me", and will keep your speed up without throwing you into the paved runoff, while 17 has a tiny strip along the exit that you can ride if you take it too hard. Jason

>I'm playing with no aids, but overall I think we should go with no >aids but traction control, auto upshifts, and clutch assistance, as >the first 2 are authentic for 2002. I'd be even happier without >clutch assistance, but I would concede that if stability/ABS/etc are >banned. > I would be ok with traction control. I don't consider auto upshifts or clutch assistance an 'aid' - I consider it more of a controller option. I'm against ABS, though. >Also, I must have missed it. We're racing noon on Saturday? What's >the IP of the server? Are we using F1rst or can you direct connect? >Is there a RAS F1 website? Are we going to have any actual rules? >What about the server car? Points? Pitbabes? Noon Eastern on Saturday, F1rst to connect. No website, no rules, etc, at the moment. Definitely no pit babes...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Anyone care to share their times for 02 hock? I've gotten the Minardi >into the 19's but I've got a feeling I should be doing 16's or 17's. > >WR on f1rst is a 1:21 but that's not a particularly reliable source. Damn... My pb is only a 1:29. Something tells me I'm not going to like my results in this race... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 31 Jul 2003 10:41:45 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Damn... My pb is only a 1:29. Something tells me I'm not going to like my >results in this race... It's like GPL, Eldred. 2./3 of the cars will spin off on the first lap, I'm sure if you just concentrate on being consistent at your pace you'll be in the points if not on the podium. I'm going to bed now, when I wake up I'll post a 1:19.850 replay in the Minardi, and do some more work on getting that down and post the setup. I'm a wimp/horrible driver so the car is probably too pushy/stable for most people, but you might like it too. Jason

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bg9pl4$m1mto$[email hidden]... > Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stabilitycontrol - > it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around > corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon. All of the'ridiculous' > times set for F1 2002 on the EA site were done with stability controlturned > on. I STRONGLY second this. -Phasor

I guess a real setup for the jag would help...but a real driver would help more, hehe. I'll try and make it, and actually have a setup by then too. -Stuart Becktell "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bg9c08$mbo1n$[email hidden]... > Okay, this weekend is going to be our first RASF1 race, and I thought I'd > start up a thread with details for people. Maybe we can get an idea of how > many people can attend, and if there are any clashes for a particular > driver. All of this stuff below is just me winging it a bit, so if youdon't

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> agree, reply. I'm just making this up as I go along <g> > > Rules > We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the > practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that? > We'll have to decide soon <g> > > Aids > All aids are allowed, except invulnerability. > > Circuit > The new Hockenheimring as raced in 2002 (and 2003, natch). There are

plenty > of run-off areas around the track, so I think we ought to decide what wecan > and can't use. Generally I would say that you can use any tarmac available > to you, with a few exceptions. Please try to keep to the circuit. Don'tcut > the corner apexes. In F1C this isn't so much of a problem as F1 2002 was, > but lets try and have a clean first race, eh? These turn numbers are forthe

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> major turns (the FIA numbers and F1C numbers are different). > > T1(R) Nordkurve > Fast, but be careful on the start. If you want to run wide during the race > onto the tarmac out there, you can, I reckon. The grass-crete ends on the > left of the s/f straight just as you brake, so make sure you're not feet > dirty coming in here. > > T2(R)/3(L) Einfahrt parabolica > Could be hairy on L1 <g>. Not really much else to say here. If you want to > defend your line, make an early move to the inside (this applies > everywhere). We are racing online and lag is a problem. > > T4(R) Spitzkehre (Hairpin) > Nothing much to note. The problem might be blocking around the, er, > Hochgeschwindigkeits (parabolica), but we'll have to wait and see. > > T5(R)/6(L) > It's very easy to run across the tarmac on the inside here if you screw

up. > The game doesn't punish you if you rejoin before T7, so if you do cut > across, it would be nice and gentlemanly of you to redress any gains you > made on racers around you ;-) > > T8(R) > This suffers from some wildly inaccurate (and punishing) kerbs. Hittingthe > inside kerb will push you out, and hitting the outside kerb is okay until > you try and get off the damn thing, which is difficult to do without > spinning. Safer to straddle the kerb to the end and then drive off. > > T13(R)/14(R) Sudkurve > You can run off the circuit at the bottom here if you like. They do inreal

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> life. > > I'm running 1:22.5's as a best laptime, I think, race setup. Usually more > like 1:25's in amongst the AI. That's in my Sauber, with a conservative > setup (ie comfortable). I've done 74 laps, apparently. > > Time > I believe we agreed on noon EST, which is 5pm UK time, 6pm Europe (that's

my > maths, DO NOT trust those times <g>). > > Be careful when following other cars. In F1C the rear wings seem to bestuck > on the cars with the chief mechanics' chewing gum. Any impact around the > rear of the car will see a rear wing fly off, even a soft sideways impacton > a rear wheel. Strange, but we have to live with it. It means that people > aren't going to be best pleased with a punt up the backside, so be careful > under braking. A loss of front wing just makes the car annoying to drive, > whereas a rear wing loss means it's almost impossible to even crawl backto

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> the pits. > > Lets all make this, the inaugural [sp?] race of RASF1 a pretty decent > race... tempting fate ;-) > > Nick > > >

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>> Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability >control - >> it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around >> corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon. All of the >'ridiculous' >> times set for F1 2002 on the EA site were done with stability control >turned >> on. > > >I STRONGLY second this. >

I'm using stability control(low), and my PB is only 1:29 - 10 seconds off the times you guys are posting. Either it doesn't give as much advantage as you think, or it doesn't work on my car... But, if I turned it off, I wouldn't even be able to complete two laps in a row... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Lets all make this, the inaugural [sp?] race of RASF1 a pretty decent > race... tempting fate ;-) > > Nick > I'll be there sunday.... Can Pit assistance be used ? My game often locks up when aligning my car between the pit crew. Sometimes I 'undershoot' (I come in not aggressive enough, I guess) and then I can't get anywhere anymore... not forward, not back... and the pit crew just stands there doing nothing...... he only thing left for me to do is to press esc and retire from the race..... Anyone else has this bug ? Jimster

> Can Pit assistance be used ? > My game often locks up when aligning my car between the pit crew.Sometimes > I 'undershoot' (I come in not aggressive enough, I guess) and then I can't > get anywhere anymore... not forward, not back... and the pit crew just > stands there doing nothing...... he only thing left for me to do is topress > esc and retire from the race..... > Anyone else has this bug ? > > Jimster You have to change the LCD screen so its not on the pit options screen then they will start working

"Neil Charlton" wrote... > Jan - you're a gentleman ::)) > > Many thanks Welcome. One thing tho'... I meant to say Saturday in my original post. The race is Saturday noon EST. Don't allow my frazzled brain to confuse you too! Jan. =---

On 31 Jul 2003 16:07:25 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I'm using stability control(low), and my PB is only 1:29 - 10 seconds off the >times you guys are posting. Either it doesn't give as much advantage as you >think, or it doesn't work on my car... But, if I turned it off, I wouldn't >even be able to complete two laps in a row... Try lowering your wheel lock until you aren't upsetting the car so much. Also, what sort of controller settings are you using? Jason

Np Jan. Just a couple of things: 1. As a thicky euro, I take it this is the same time as the RASCAR race (not a problem if so - just wanted to be sure) 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've followed the threads and made sure I've done a NoCD update and tested joining some open races but I'm not sure what this phrase means. 3. Will (can) the server force all cars to be of equal performance and, if so, which particular car's performance will they be set to? Err .. that's three, not a couple ;) Thanks again for the generosity Jan - I appreciate it. BTW, if anyone out there involved in RasF1 objects to me taking the Jag for this race please chip in and say so - not looking to offend anyone. Regards "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wScWa.43080$[email hidden]... > "Neil Charlton" wrote... > > Jan - you're a gentleman ::)) > > > > Many thanks > > Welcome. One thing tho'... I meant to say Saturday in my original post.The > race is Saturday noon EST. Don't allow my frazzled brain to confuse youtoo! > > Jan. > =--- > >

You want to try altering the wheel toe in values if you have an unstable car setup. Ive found that by altering them both to about +30 adds a lot of stability to your car. Also try reducing radiator and brake duct sizes which can increase your straight line speed as long as you dont overheat! -- Nigel 'Nats' Stutt [email hidden] "Its life, Jim, but not as we know it." "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >> Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability > >control - > >> it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around > >> corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon. All of the > >'ridiculous' > >> times set for F1 2002 on the EA site were done with stability control > >turned > >> on. > > > > > >I STRONGLY second this. > > > > I'm using stability control(low), and my PB is only 1:29 - 10 seconds off the > times you guys are posting. Either it doesn't give as much advantage as you > think, or it doesn't work on my car... But, if I turned it off, I wouldn't > even be able to complete two laps in a row... > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Np Jan. > > Just a couple of things: > 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've followed the threads > and made sure I've done a NoCD update and tested joining some open > races but I'm not sure what this phrase means. >

F1rst is a multiplayer client like VROC, go to http://www.f1rst2.com for more details and to download. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

I've just run a 1:17.2 in the Ferrari, not sure what times I'll manage in the Renault yet though. (No aids except TC on low). -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Cheers m8 :)) "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:28gWa.51512$[email hidden]...

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> Neil Charlton wrote: > > Np Jan. > > > > Just a couple of things: > > > 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've followed the threads > > and made sure I've done a NoCD update and tested joining some open > > races but I'm not sure what this phrase means. > > > F1rst is a multiplayer client like VROC, go to http://www.f1rst2.com for > more details and to download. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > >

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> Np Jan. > > Just a couple of things: > > 1. As a thicky euro, I take it this is the same time > as the RASCAR race (not a problem if so - just wanted > to be sure)

No, it's earlier than the current RASCAR race time. Noon EST = 5pm UK time = 6pm CET. > 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've >followed the threads and made sure I've done a NoCD > update and tested joining some open races but I'm > not sure what this phrase means. F1rst is a utility akin to VROC which is used instead of the included GameSpy Arcade software to connect to races. Don't look at me for any further help, though, as I've not installed this software myself yet. > 3. Will (can) the server force all cars to be of > equal performance and, if so, which particular car's > performance will they be set to? Apparently not. I think the races will run using the standard 2002 carset. > Err .. that's three, not a couple ;) Thanks again for > the generosity Jan - I appreciate it. BTW, if anyone > out there involved in RasF1 objects to me taking the > Jag for this race please chip in and say so - not > looking to offend anyone. I fail to see why anyone would doubt your ability to handle a virtual F1 car. Jan. =---

Thanks again :) Got it now. Regards "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GcgWa.43575$[email hidden]...

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> "Neil Charlton" wrote... > > Np Jan. > > > > Just a couple of things: > > > > 1. As a thicky euro, I take it this is the same time > > as the RASCAR race (not a problem if so - just wanted > > to be sure) > > No, it's earlier than the current RASCAR race time. Noon EST = 5pm UK time

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> 6pm CET. > > > 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've > >followed the threads and made sure I've done a NoCD > > update and tested joining some open races but I'm > > not sure what this phrase means. > > F1rst is a utility akin to VROC which is used instead of the included > GameSpy Arcade software to connect to races. Don't look at me for any > further help, though, as I've not installed this software myself yet. > > > 3. Will (can) the server force all cars to be of > > equal performance and, if so, which particular car's > > performance will they be set to? > > Apparently not. I think the races will run using the standard 2002 carset. > > > > Err .. that's three, not a couple ;) Thanks again for > > the generosity Jan - I appreciate it. BTW, if anyone > > out there involved in RasF1 objects to me taking the > > Jag for this race please chip in and say so - not > > looking to offend anyone. > > I fail to see why anyone would doubt your ability to handle a virtual F1 > car. > > Jan. > =--- > >

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:44:14 +0100, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've just run a 1:17.2 in the Ferrari, not sure what times I'll manage in >the Renault yet though. (No aids except TC on low). I'm at 18.9 in the minardi (which is down like 10-15km/hr on the fer, ffs) but that's HARDCORE. The 02 Minardi didn't have TC. =) Jason

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> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:44:14 +0100, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> I've just run a 1:17.2 in the Ferrari, not sure what times I'll >> manage in the Renault yet though. (No aids except TC on low). > > I'm at 18.9 in the minardi (which is down like 10-15km/hr on the fer, > ffs) but that's HARDCORE. The 02 Minardi didn't have TC. =) > > Jason

Just improved to 1:16.2 in Ferrari, then 1:16.9 in Renault :) Both still had low TC <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Why the accelerated tire and fuel usage? Seems like we will end up spending more time in the pits than they do in a full length real life race. What fun is that? Also what weather will be used? I have to put in a plea here for all the races to be dry weather. It's bad enough to have to develop a qual and race setup but if I also have to develop various wet weather setups I am never going to have time to learn the track. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bg9c08$mbo1n$[email hidden]>, "Nick" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Rules > >We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the > >practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something likethat? > >We'll have to decide soon <g> > > 5x fuel, 7x tires 40% race... > All aids on except invulnerability? Don't the aids make you faster inthis > case? > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Noon Eastern on Saturday, F1rst to connect. No website, no rules, > etc, at the moment. Definitely no pit babes...<g> I just want to confirm, you definately mean Saturday right? Because in that other thread "RASF1 race time" you suggested a time of noon Sunday.

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:02:06 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Why the accelerated tire and fuel usage? Seems like we will end up spending >more time in the pits than they do in a full length real life race. What >fun is that? My votes: Race settings: 7x tire wear (to make up for the game's crap tire model) normal fuel usage (in a 40-50% race some people are going to be pitting anyway) time scaled mechanical failures (or turn this off if Simmons is playing *cough*) changing weather high frequency physics/hat sampling client forced to use server settings Legal aids: traction control automatic gears clutch assistance Pitbabes: An assortment of moderate-build brunettes and redheads, preferably with oral fixations. If we get a website going, I'd be into creating a RAS F1 season file and using custom made liveries. Hell, if we wanted, we could turn fines on in the server's PLR file and penalize people for getting fined (i.e. breaking rules) by adding ballast to their cars. =) Jason

Grrr... Still scratching around in the 1:21's... Question for you guys: what is your min speed through the second hairpin? I'm down in the 40's (kph) and sometimes lower. The circuit map shows that I should be getting 70 kph through here. I'm pretty sure this is where I'm losing the most time. Everywhere else on the track my speeds are at or higher than the circuit map shows. "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gThWa.53537$[email hidden]... > jason moyer wrote: > > Just improved to 1:16.2 in Ferrari, then 1:16.9 in Renault :) Both stillhad

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<sigh> I don't understand this need for everybody to have custom liveries. That's one of the reasons I have never joined RASCAR (the other being Simmons :). I want to spend my time learning the track and working on setups, not sitting around painting my car. And what have you got against blondes? "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> My votes: > > Race settings: > > 7x tire wear (to make up for the game's crap tire model) > normal fuel usage (in a 40-50% race some people are going to be > pitting anyway) > time scaled mechanical failures (or turn this off if Simmons is > playing *cough*) > changing weather > high frequency physics/hat sampling > client forced to use server settings > > Legal aids: > > traction control > automatic gears > clutch assistance > > Pitbabes: > > An assortment of moderate-build brunettes and redheads, preferably > with oral fixations. > > If we get a website going, I'd be into creating a RAS F1 season file > and using custom made liveries. Hell, if we wanted, we could turn > fines on in the server's PLR file and penalize people for getting > fined (i.e. breaking rules) by adding ballast to their cars. =) > > Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes: >Why the accelerated tire and fuel usage? Seems like we will end up spending >more time in the pits than they do in a full length real life race. What >fun is that? Because otherwise, there wouldn't be any pit strategy... But, we can go with normal wear for the first race.... >Also what weather will be used? I have to put in a plea here for all the >races to be dry weather. It's bad enough to have to develop a qual and race >setup but if I also have to develop various wet weather setups I am never >going to have time to learn the track. Dry weather - I am NOT a masochist... But, I *am* using default setups...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <2pbWa.42954$[email hidden]>, "Jimster" <[email hidden]> writes: >Can Pit assistance be used ? Sure, why not? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <wScWa.43080$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"Neil Charlton" wrote... >> Jan - you're a gentleman ::)) >> >> Many thanks > >Welcome. One thing tho'... I meant to say Saturday in my original post. The >race is Saturday noon EST. Don't allow my frazzled brain to confuse you too!

Nope - the race is Sunday Noon eastern... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Try lowering your wheel lock until you aren't upsetting the car so >much. Also, what sort of controller settings are you using? Um...I don't know. Whatever was default, I think. Hang on... I assume you mean controller rates? Steering - 20% Throttle - 50% Brake - 50% Clutch - 20% Speed sens. - 75% look ahead - 0% Head movement - 75% Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Um...I don't know. Whatever was default, I think. Hang on... > I assume you mean controller rates? > Steering - 20% > Throttle - 50% > Brake - 50% > Clutch - 20% > Speed sens. - 75% > look ahead - 0% > Head movement - 75%

eldred, change steering to 50% and speed sensitivity to 0% and then drive a few laps i think you will like it much better

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>> Um...I don't know. Whatever was default, I think. Hang on... >> I assume you mean controller rates? >> Steering - 20% >> Throttle - 50% >> Brake - 50% >> Clutch - 20% >> Speed sens. - 75% >> look ahead - 0% >> Head movement - 75% > > eldred, change steering to 50% and speed sensitivity to 0% and then > drive a few laps i think you will like it much better > > > >

But to get back to the original help/hint....if you use 50% steering with zero speed sensitivity, then you may find the car really wants to wander at high speeds...especially with FF wheels. If you have trouble with this, reduce the STEERING LOCK which is in the individual setups. The default steering lock is 20 degrees. You can probably find a very comfortable zone somewhere between 14 degrees and 18 degrees. Only at tracks like Monaco might you need 20 or more degrees to zip around those tight turns. dave henrie

> Can Pit assistance be used ? > My game often locks up when aligning my car between the pit crew.Sometimes > I 'undershoot' (I come in not aggressive enough, I guess) and then I can't > get anywhere anymore... not forward, not back... and the pit crew just > stands there doing nothing...... he only thing left for me to do is topress > esc and retire from the race..... > Anyone else has this bug ? > > Jimster Yep - had to retire from a race I was leading...*sigh* is Pit assistance the only 'fix' ? -Phasor

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Nope - the race is Sunday Noon eastern... You wrote... > Noon Eastern on Saturday, F1rst to connect. No > website, no rules, etc, at the moment. > Definitely no pit babes...<g> I read that and still posted Sunday in my original reply, but I'm beginning to wonder who's brain is really frazzled. Regardless, if you're going for Sunday that leaves out for this race and again for Hungaroring (I think), so Neil's seat is safe for two races... <g> Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" wrote... > <snip> > Regardless, if you're going for Sunday that leaves out.... "... leaves me out for..." -obviously. Jan. =---

That's a sad way to pick up a drive for me :( I'm hoping someone may drop out and relinquish a grid slot in the next week or so, but not holding my breath ;) I promise to look after the Jag and polish it for when you get back. Regards "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ymrWa.44128$[email hidden]... [snip] > > Regardless, if you're going for Sunday that leaves out for this race and > again for Hungaroring (I think), so Neil's seat is safe for two races...<g> > > Jan. > =--- > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >high frequency physics/hat sampling >client forced to use server settings Where are *these* settings? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> Noon Eastern on Saturday, F1rst to connect. No website, no rules, >> etc, at the moment. Definitely no pit babes...<g> > >I just want to confirm, you definately mean Saturday right? Because in >that other thread "RASF1 race time" you suggested a time of noon Sunday.

My bad - it was supposed to be sunday noon. I've put that in my 'drivers meeting' message. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <B2lWa.12491$[email hidden]>, "frederickson" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Um...I don't know. Whatever was default, I think. Hang on... >> I assume you mean controller rates? >> Steering - 20% >> Throttle - 50% >> Brake - 50% >> Clutch - 20% >> Speed sens. - 75% >> look ahead - 0% >> Head movement - 75% > >eldred, change steering to 50% and speed sensitivity to 0% and then drive a >few laps i think you will like it much better

Ok, I'll try it... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 01 Aug 2003 12:55:03 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <B2lWa.12491$[email hidden]>, "frederickson" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>> Um...I don't know. Whatever was default, I think. Hang on... >>> I assume you mean controller rates? >>> Steering - 20% >>> Throttle - 50% >>> Brake - 50% >>> Clutch - 20% >>> Speed sens. - 75% >>> look ahead - 0% >>> Head movement - 75% >> >>eldred, change steering to 50% and speed sensitivity to 0% and then drive a >>few laps i think you will like it much better > >Ok, I'll try it... > >Eldred

The controller rates for steering, throttle, brake and clutch in this menu are only of influence for digital controllers I thought? Andre

Andre Warringa > > The controller rates for steering, throttle, brake and clutch in this > menu are only of influence for digital controllers I thought? > > Andre > I have never even touched those digital settings. I guess I should have said the steering axis and brake axis etc... dh

> > You have to change the LCD screen so its not on the pit options screenthen > they will start working > > I did that serveral times.... it doesn't trigger the action ....

"Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lzmWa.572958$[email hidden]... > > Can Pit assistance be used ? > > My game often locks up when aligning my car between the pit crew. > Sometimes > > I 'undershoot' (I come in not aggressive enough, I guess) and then Ican't

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> > get anywhere anymore... not forward, not back... and the pit crew just > > stands there doing nothing...... he only thing left for me to do is to > press > > esc and retire from the race..... > > Anyone else has this bug ? > > > > Jimster > > Yep - had to retire from a race I was leading...*sigh* is Pit assistance

the > only 'fix' ? > > -Phasor Haven't found another yet...

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> >> Lets all make this, the inaugural [sp?] race of RASF1 a pretty decent >> race... tempting fate ;-) >> >> Nick >> > I'll be there sunday.... > > Can Pit assistance be used ? > My game often locks up when aligning my car between the pit crew. > Sometimes I 'undershoot' (I come in not aggressive enough, I guess) > and then I can't get anywhere anymore... not forward, not back... and > the pit crew just stands there doing nothing...... he only thing left > for me to do is to press esc and retire from the race..... > Anyone else has this bug ? > > Jimster > >

I have heard hitting the enter button works. I have also verified that pushing a button on my wheel that coresponds to changing the LCD screen works as well. (at least for me) You might want to try the old fashioned method....miss your marks...and then hit every button/key to see if they start working. dave(the scientific method man)henrie

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason >moyer) writes: > >>high frequency physics/hat sampling >>client forced to use server settings > >Where are *these* settings?

PLR file: Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal Tire Sampling="1" // 0 = normal, 1 = extra HAT samples (*slightly* more accurate over sharp curbs, otherwise a waste of CPU) Telemetry Version="0" // Version of telemetry to write out The next one is important, as it forces clients connecting to the server to use the same settings as the server: Force Physics="31" // add the following to enforce server settings: 1=auto-lift, 2=auto-blip, 4=half-rate, 8=launch control, 16=collision thresh (for example, auto-lift + half-rate = 1 + 4 = 5) Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Force Physics="31" // add the following to enforce server settings: >1=auto-lift, 2=auto-blip, 4=half-rate, 8=launch control, 16=collision >thresh (for example, auto-lift + half-rate = 1 + 4 = 5) Why would you want to enfore auto-lift or auto-blip? I guess I'm missing the point of this setting... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Neil Charlton" wrote... > That's a sad way to pick up a drive for me :( Don't worry about it. Before any time was set, I couldn't plan around it. > I'm hoping someone may drop out and relinquish a > grid slot in the next week or so, but not holding > my breath ;) Well, we haven't determined whether my connection is stable enough to really compete in the races yet... ;-( > I promise to look after the Jag and polish it > for when you get back. The team will take care of that. You're here to drive and bring home a good result. Take an example from your real life counterparts! <g> Jan. =---

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 31 Jul 2003 10:41:45 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Damn... My pb is only a 1:29. Something tells me I'm not going to likemy

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> >results in this race... > > It's like GPL, Eldred. 2./3 of the cars will spin off on the first > lap, I'm sure if you just concentrate on being consistent at your pace > you'll be in the points if not on the podium. > > I'm going to bed now, when I wake up I'll post a 1:19.850 replay in > the Minardi, and do some more work on getting that down and post the > setup. I'm a wimp/horrible driver so the car is probably too > pushy/stable for most people, but you might like it too.

Yeah, could you post it here please, as it's a text file. I could use a faster setup, just to see if the limit is my setup or me <g>

On 01 Aug 2003 19:28:04 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Why would you want to enfore auto-lift or auto-blip? I guess I'm missing the >point of this setting... You're forcing clients to use the same blip/lift settings as the server, not actually forcing them to use auto-blip or lift. Same thing with physics rate - if the server is setup with high-frequency physics, clients can still connect with half-rate physics unless you force it using that line. Essentially you can have drivers running completely different physics models, which kinda sucks. Jason

Like the file says i don't understand why you would want to run the extra HAT samples (unless you have some monster machine...my P3 700 is not real a monster), but the super high rate physics are great. I was playing around with my files last night and with the high physics the ffb feels much more certain, hard to explain other than saying the little nuances come through..i also spin off much less...i think my pb in the RH2003 McLaren with the comparable track patch is in the low 1:18's...almost a second quicker than when i was running half rate physics, i'm sure some of it is just experience, but i've also gotten it down to using a modified TC value of 0.55 and no other aides. My complaint about any sim is i don't feel like i'm actually driving a car, but rather a car in a game, but with enough tweaking this may be the best I've felt (would be nice to see that transam papy mod) I'm not in the league, but i really would highly recommend the super high physics, even on my P3 700 it's playable with decent graphics settings (thanks mostly in part to a GF4200). jonathan

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> PLR file: > > Half Rate="0" // 0 = super-high physics rate, 1 = normal > Tire Sampling="1" // 0 = normal, 1 = extra HAT samples (*slightly* > more accurate over sharp curbs, otherwise a waste of CPU) > Telemetry Version="0" // Version of telemetry to write out > > The next one is important, as it forces clients connecting to the > server to use the same settings as the server: > > Force Physics="31" // add the following to enforce server settings: > 1=auto-lift, 2=auto-blip, 4=half-rate, 8=launch control, 16=collision > thresh (for example, auto-lift + half-rate = 1 + 4 = 5) > > Jason

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Grrr... Still scratching around in the 1:21's... Question for you FWIW I'm puttering around at your pace as well. It's good to know that I won't be alone at the back. LOL (Assuming of course you don't get down to those alien times as well)

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>>Why would you want to enfore auto-lift or auto-blip? I guess I'm missing >the >>point of this setting... > >You're forcing clients to use the same blip/lift settings as the >server, not actually forcing them to use auto-blip or lift. Same >thing with physics rate - if the server is setup with high-frequency >physics, clients can still connect with half-rate physics unless you >force it using that line. Essentially you can have drivers running >completely different physics models, which kinda sucks.

Ok, another(dumb) question - what does high-frequency physics do? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> Grrr... Still scratching around in the 1:21's... Question for you > >FWIW I'm puttering around at your pace as well. It's good to know that I >won't be alone at the back. LOL (Assuming of course you don't get down to >those alien times as well)

1:21 is puttering? Oh MAN - I must be going BACKWARDS... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > 1:21 is puttering? Oh MAN - I must be going > BACKWARDS... Eldred, no jibe intended, but you do realise most of the cars have 7 gears nowadays, right? Jan. =---

There is a distinct possibility that I won't be able to make it. I'm going to try, but I have guests this weekend so it is a bit unlikely. "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgdg9j$dbu$[email hidden]... > That's a sad way to pick up a drive for me :( > > I'm hoping someone may drop out and relinquish a grid slot in the nextweek > or so, but not holding my breath ;) I promise to look after the Jag and > polish it for when you get back. > > Regards > >

Get your controllers straightened out as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it makes a huge difference. The other thing that made a big difference for me, but may or may not help you, is that I watch the AI a lot during test sessions to get an idea where the braking points, apexes, etc. are. I would still be in the 1:30's if I didn't do that, for example there is just no way that I would have figured out how fast the stadium section is on my own. I drive the track for a few laps so I know where everything is, then park it and use the plus key to move through the TV cockpit cams for the different AI drivers. Make sure you have their strength turned up so they are running realistic lap times. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Ped Xing > <[email hidden]> writes: > > 1:21 is puttering? Oh MAN - I must be going BACKWARDS... > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on

my > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

But with a 40% race and 5x fuel usage you will be in the pits twice as much as the real guys for the same fuel loads. That's not realistic. Since you can't travel twice as fast each pit stop is going to cost you proportionately more of the race than it would in real life. Why not run 2x or 3x fuel usage instead? That would give you close to the right proportions. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Why the accelerated tire and fuel usage? Seems like we will end upspending > >more time in the pits than they do in a full length real life race. What > >fun is that? > > Because otherwise, there wouldn't be any pit strategy... But, we can gowith > normal wear for the first race.... >

On 02 Aug 2003 01:25:55 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Ok, another(dumb) question - what does high-frequency physics do? It doubles the rate at which physics calculations are made. The tire-sampling option increases the detail in the tire model, and is mostly noticeable when driving on kerbs. As I understand, it treats individual sections of tire independently instead of part of a single contact patch. Both of these things combined are essentially the difference between nudging the edge of a kerb while following the ideal racing line or driving the exact same line and having your car tossed through the air. Seems kinda lame, but eh well. Really I guess forcing those options isn't a big deal since not using them is a disadvantage in any case that I can think of. Jason

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>Get your controllers straightened out as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, >it makes a huge difference. The other thing that made a big difference for >me, but may or may not help you, is that I watch the AI a lot during test >sessions to get an idea where the braking points, apexes, etc. are. I would >still be in the 1:30's if I didn't do that, for example there is just no way >that I would have figured out how fast the stadium section is on my own. I >drive the track for a few laps so I know where everything is, then park it >and use the plus key to move through the TV cockpit cams for the different >AI drivers. Make sure you have their strength turned up so they are running >realistic lap times.

Really? I stopped trusting the AI to learn with GPL. Totally unrealistic for humans to drive the same way... What should the strength be set to? I have the AI set to 75% at the moment. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes: >But with a 40% race and 5x fuel usage you will be in the pits twice as much >as the real guys for the same fuel loads. That's not realistic. Since you >can't travel twice as fast each pit stop is going to cost you >proportionately more of the race than it would in real life. Why not run 2x >or 3x fuel usage instead? That would give you close to the right >proportions. We can run normal wear and fuel for the first race. We'll see what happens during this race, and go from there. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <szEWa.45039$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" wrote... >> <snip> >> 1:21 is puttering? Oh MAN - I must be going >> BACKWARDS... > >Eldred, no jibe intended, but you do realise most of the cars have 7 gears >nowadays, right?

Uh, YEAH...<g> I just don't hit 7th very often... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 02 Aug 2003 06:01:25 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >We can run normal wear and fuel for the first race. We'll see what happens >during this race, and go from there. You can run an entire GP on a set of soft tires and they'll still be green at the end, which is why I'd personally go with 7x tire wear once we have a couple races in the books. Fuel on the other hand, I dunno. I'd use 1x regardless, as you might want to take a pitstop anyway at some tracks, depending on the speed difference between a full and half tank of fuel. The fuel load affects the handling so much in an F1 car that I find even 2x tends to throw my balance off. 4x or 7x is just nuts, as you're going from half a tank of gas to 0 in a 3 lap qual session. Jason

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" > <[email hidden]> writes: > >> But with a 40% race and 5x fuel usage you will be in the pits twice >> as much as the real guys for the same fuel loads. That's not >> realistic. Since you can't travel twice as fast each pit stop is >> going to cost you proportionately more of the race than it would in >> real life. Why not run 2x or 3x fuel usage instead? That would >> give you close to the right proportions. > > We can run normal wear and fuel for the first race. We'll see what > happens during this race, and go from there. > > Eldred

I ran a 50% race last night (against the AI) using normal fuel use & tyre wear. On lap 30 of 33, just as my front brakes failed, the front tyres had about 60% wear remaining (as shown by the bars on the LCD display) and the rears 70, the car felt terrible. Anything below 70% seems to make a big difference to handling. I vote for normal wear for 100% races and 2X for half length. I must remember to fit bigger brake ducts for the race ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Hi Ian, thanks for the help there :) I picked up the program and have done some laps. Due to no multiplayer in any previous F1 sim - this is the first modern F1 sim I've tried since GP2. I am mortified to find that I'm piddling around Hockenheim in the 22s at best. This is not just off the pace this is off the planet :( As I'm not keen on getting entirely embarrassed on Sunday, are there any hints/tips/replays/setups/telemetry/prayers you can suggest that might help me drag my sorry ass into the real world? Bit of a cheek I know so if you're too busy not a problem. I was going to email this begging letter but don't have an email address available from any of our boards ;) Regards "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:28gWa.51512$[email hidden]...

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> Neil Charlton wrote: > > Np Jan. > > > > Just a couple of things: > > > 2. 'Join using F1rst' - could you clarify. I've followed the threads > > and made sure I've done a NoCD update and tested joining some open > > races but I'm not sure what this phrase means. > > > F1rst is a multiplayer client like VROC, go to http://www.f1rst2.com for > more details and to download. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > >

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> Hi Ian, thanks for the help there :) > > I picked up the program and have done some laps. Due to no > multiplayer in any previous F1 sim - this is the first modern F1 sim > I've tried since GP2. I am mortified to find that I'm piddling around > Hockenheim in the 22s at best. This is not just off the pace this is > off the planet :( > > As I'm not keen on getting entirely embarrassed on Sunday, are there > any hints/tips/replays/setups/telemetry/prayers you can suggest that > might help me drag my sorry ass into the real world? Bit of a cheek I > know so if you're too busy not a problem. > > I was going to email this begging letter but don't have an email > address available from any of our boards ;) > > Regards

Neil, you can mail me at my spamtrap address, I'll reply with a real mail address. [email hidden] You're welcome to my replays and setups. I don't check telemetry or anything though, but a prayer to the simgods usually pays dividends ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Thx Ian - I'll do that :) "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZMWa.53768$[email hidden]... [snip]

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> > Neil, you can mail me at my spamtrap address, I'll reply with a real mail > address. > [email hidden] > You're welcome to my replays and setups. > I don't check telemetry or anything though, but a prayer to the simgods > usually pays dividends ;) > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > >

Well they are good to a point. At Hockenheim humans are still going faster, but if I set the AI strength to 100% then by the end of a test session most of the AI are doing 1:19's. That's realistic for the Minardi's, not so realistic for the others. I'm hesitant to turn up the strength any higher because I think the physics might get unrealistic above 100%. Anyway, they are running faster than you or I, and that means we can learn something from them. Their lines are pretty good; when watching the real life qualifying this morning I only noticed 2 serious differences between what the real life drivers were doing and what the AI were doing. The real life drivers take a wider line around turn 2 than the AI and the real life drivers seem to be able to go flat out into turn 7. Other than that they seem to drive the same way the AI do. The turn 2 thing I'm going to try next time I get a chance, but the turn 7 thing I think may have to do with track inaccuracy, I doubt that it is possible in the game. Also, I think I had to set Locked Pit Cam="0" in the [ Game Options ] section of the player file in order to watch from the pits. You can watch from the menus but you can't see as much detail. What I like to do is actually start my test session so that I have a full screen window and then use "+" and "-" to jump around to the different AI cars. You can use the PgUp, Home, etc. keys to change views. I usually watch from the TV cockpit view first because from there you can see their speed and gear choices, which makes it easier to determine where they are getting on the brakes. This also allows me to see turn-in, apex, etc. in a view that is close to the player cockpit view. Then after I feel like I understand what they are doing I usually switch to swing-man view (PgUp?) and use the numeric keypad to adjust it to a view slightly behind and above the car so I can see how much of the track they are using. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Really? I stopped trusting the AI to learn with GPL. Totally unrealisticfor > humans to drive the same way... > What should the strength be set to? I have the AI set to 75% at themoment. > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > 1:21 is puttering? Oh MAN - I must be going BACKWARDS... Compared to Moyer and some of these other gents. :-( I saw a 1:16.xx online!

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:54:16 +0100, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Circuit >The new Hockenheimring as raced in 2002 (and 2003, natch). Some of you probably know this, but, just FYI(a little too late for your race) , everybody, there's an updated version that's a little bit closer to the real track out there, for Hummerich's 2003 carset. There's no kink after the hairpin for example, and more tarmac runoffs. T1 is still a bit off, but slightly better and the grass looks like radioactive snot for some reason, but for my offline hotlapping I found it more satisfying preparing for the GP tomorrow. http://spider.m4driving.sm/TantraRH03Updates.htm