which used car would you buy for driving fun?

Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. Now i was wondering what to go for... RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to be able to work on it myself. And that's all i'm sure off. It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving on normal roads... It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... Suggestions?

Porsche 944 all the way And yes, you can get them that cheap! "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > > >

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions?

Mini.

Hmmm maybe you can pick up an old or tatty one for that price? Try http://www.mobile.de Question is can you afford the maintainance? How about a BMW 325i? (OK its injection!) I've just bought one with a friend for use as a toy on the N�rburgring Nordschleife There's a ready prepared one here for sale: http://www.touristenfahrer.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1206 Or maybe a 318is? Or an old RWD MK2 escort, or Opal Kaddett? -- Cheers, Robin http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk "luke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bLdWa.15516$[email hidden]... > Porsche 944 all the way > And yes, you can get them that cheap! > > "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > > Now i was wondering what to go for... > > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > > be able to work on it myself. > > And that's all i'm sure off. > > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > > on normal roads... > > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > >

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgbplm$mumth$[email hidden]... > Mini. RWD Mini?

"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgbvis$musb4$[email hidden]... > "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bgbplm$mumth$[email hidden]... > > Mini. > > RWD Mini? He could drive it backwards. Just kidding.. Minis are great for all sorts of small club events. Rally-X for one.

> How about a BMW 325i? (OK its injection!) I agree on the E30. Just modern enough without being overly complex to prevent DIY maintenance. Solid, well-built, reasonable parts, and a ball to drive. -jde

An old Porsche is the best option, like Luke said. Failing that, have a look at an Alfa 75 and don't forget the Sierra 2 litre. It's suprisingly good on the track! Bye, Leo "willempie" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

How about a Triumph GT6 MkIII? Lovely sounding V6, RWD, gearbox has overdrive, plus they look fantastic! http://www.geocities.com/star_shine_3/DCP_0010b.JPG http://www.geocities.com/star_shine_3/DCP_0009b.JPG Gerry

1972 ford pinto "Leo Landman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgc5um$fv6$[email hidden]... > An old Porsche is the best option, like Luke said. Failing that, have alook > at an Alfa 75 and don't forget the Sierra 2 litre. It's suprisingly goodon

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> the track! > > Bye, > Leo > > "willempie" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:[email hidden]... > > Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > > Now i was wondering what to go for... > > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > > be able to work on it myself. > > And that's all i'm sure off. > > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > > on normal roads... > > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > > Suggestions? > > > > > >

Do what every other American is doing - buy an SUV. not

Howdy, MGB or MGB GT...or how about a Triumph TR250??? Randy "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

ok, one more time.. MGB Roadster..MGB GT or a Triumph TR 250 Randy "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

"Randy Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ok, one more time.. > MGB Roadster..MGB GT or a Triumph TR 250 > I would take a Datsun 2000 over an MG or a Triumph, it might be hard to find, but alot more fun.

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

1976 Toyota Corolla Sport Coupe Deluxe. Bought as a daily driver, it quickly had me thrashing late 80's Escorts of the day. 2TC motor, RWD, 4-speed, a fuel cell (of sorts), and none of that fancy pants crap like power steering or power brakes. If it only hadnt been rear-ended by a Suburban back in 1990, i may have kept it mothballed somewhere. That car sits near the top of the list of my fav rides ive been through.

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The Datsun 2000's I've seen look a whole lot like MG Midgets....nice looking cars but not as nice as a "B" hehe "DJRJR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bSjWa.123748$[email hidden]...

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> > "Randy Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > ok, one more time.. > > MGB Roadster..MGB GT or a Triumph TR 250 > > > > I would take a Datsun 2000 over an MG or a Triumph, it might be hard to > find, but alot more fun. > >

Mini Cooper 'S' - but I have no idea what they're bringing up there in your part of this tiny planet. :) Bruce.

If the budget was a bit higher a Caterham 7. Andi. "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

Mk. II Ford Escort! -- ed_ "willempie" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Mini Cooper 'S' - but I have no idea what they're bringing up there inyour > part of this tiny planet. :) You'll wont find a decent 'S for ?3000 Bruce. -- ed_

"Randy Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The Datsun 2000's I've seen look a whole lot like MG Midgets....nicelooking > cars but not as nice as a "B" hehe Heh. Something Japanese that appears to be a copy of something else... Who woulda thought? ;-) -jde

That doesn't surprise me, Ed. Down here a very good (not necessarily concours) model will achieve AUS$10,000 to AUS$12,000 and a top-notch example about AUS$14,500. Bruce. "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You'll wont find a decent 'S for ?3000 Bruce.

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:02:08 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. >Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. >but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. >Now i was wondering what to go for... >RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to >be able to work on it myself. >And that's all i'm sure off. >It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit >for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving >on normal roads... >It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... >Suggestions?

Toyota MR2 Mk1 Renault Alpine 310 Mazda MX-5 Remco

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:02:08 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. >Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. >but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. >Now i was wondering what to go for... >RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to >be able to work on it myself. >And that's all i'm sure off. >It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit >for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving >on normal roads... >It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... >Suggestions? >

A mini (old style, not the newfangled crap one) is the most fun I have ever had driving. Andrew.

I was thinking more of a 'golden oldy', like the ones mentioned in this thread sofar like the Triumph, Datsun etc..etc...or an alfa like the 75 v6...i've owned a 75 before and to be honest..it was really living up to it's name as in all sorts of things going kaputski a lot. I have to confess the Toyota MR2 Mk1 is rather tempting...middle engine...oeeeeerrrr...i loved the looks of this car when i was a kid...still do actually. It's toyota...meaing it'll probably run and run and run forever. But i've never driven one, anyone here have a driving experience with this car? On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:49:35 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote:

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> >Toyota MR2 Mk1 >Renault Alpine 310 >Mazda MX-5 > > >Remco >

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:55:51 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was thinking more of a 'golden oldy', like the ones mentioned in >this thread sofar like the Triumph, Datsun etc..etc...or an alfa like >the 75 v6...i've owned a 75 before and to be honest..it was really >living up to it's name as in all sorts of things going kaputski a lot. You might also want to check the Lancia Fulvia Rallye >I have to confess the Toyota MR2 Mk1 is rather tempting...middle >engine...oeeeeerrrr...i loved the looks of this car when i was a >kid...still do actually. >It's toyota...meaing it'll probably run and run and run forever. >But i've never driven one, anyone here have a driving experience with >this car? Well, I happen to have an MR2 Mk1...it has great traction, if you get the revs to the redline (7800 rpm), put in first gear, and just let the clutch go, even then you won't have wheelspin.....if it's dry, that is. When it's wet, and you're too eager with the throttle, the back might slide a bit..... The handling is amazing, and you'll out run way more expensive cars the first 100 meters all the time. There is also a Turbo version, but if you're handy, you might want to replace the 1.6 16v with a 20v engine. (Something I still plan to do, when I can find the time) However, as an every day car, as long you don't want to transport more then a toothbrush, you're ok. Remco

"grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 1972 ford pinto >Pre recall ?

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> > "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > 1972 ford pinto > > > Pre recall ? >

Look for one that has previously been rear-ended. Very inexpensive to purchase today.

Nissan S13 (200sx or 240sx in some countries) "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

Fountainhead [email hidden]...

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>> > 1972 ford pinto >> > >> Pre recall ? >> > > Look for one that has previously been rear-ended. Very inexpensive to > purchase today.

Weren't all those blown up during the filming of the chase scene for Top Secret?(Val Kilmer's Elvis is a spy meets Airplane movie spoof) dh

Being the Volvo freak that I am, I'd pick up an early 242 and drop a small block chevy or penta engine in it. Even with the stock intercooled turbo engine and minor suspension mods in my '81, I'm able to pick off most of the ricers that come my way. Sure pisses 'em off to get blown away by a 22 year old dinosaur with the air conditioning blasting away ;-) -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > Now i was wondering what to go for... > RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > be able to work on it myself. > And that's all i'm sure off. > It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > on normal roads... > It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > Suggestions? > >

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgc044$l89t8$[email hidden]...

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> > "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bgbvis$musb4$[email hidden]... > > "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bgbplm$mumth$[email hidden]... > > > Mini. > > > > RWD Mini? > > > He could drive it backwards. Just kidding.. > Minis are great for all sorts of small club events. Rally-X for one.

Yeah, if you're serious about playing with the car (either if you're a pro or just looking for something to tinker with) then a Mini is probably the best car to get. All the bits are cheap, too. It's just he was pretty specific on the RWD thing.

The ultimate answer is to get a book called 'Build your own sports car - for as little as �250 - and race it!' by Ron Champion. It's a guide to transforming a Mk1 or Mk2 Escort into a Lotus 7 esque sports car, by building the space frame chassis and putting it all together yourself. �250 (about 350 euros, at a guess) is a bit less than what it will really cost, more like �500 perhaps, but it's great fun, doesn't need that much engineering experience, and if it doesn't work, you still have enough for a decent Sierra which would fit what you were asking for in the first place. Even if you don't want to do that, the book is still worth �15 for a read. Incidentally, the finished car is called a Locost, and there are proper championships for racing them with other like-minded enthusiasts. Might be worth considering, for a bit of fun...

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>Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. >Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. >but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. >Now i was wondering what to go for... >RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to >be able to work on it myself. >And that's all i'm sure off. >It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit >for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving >on normal roads... >It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... >Suggestions? >

1969 Cougar.

no. The 71 -74 are the lightest. Easier to set up and lighter than the later ones. Why ford pinto? I dont know. Didnt think anyone would suggest that given its record. grub "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bge04f$n9p2q$[email hidden]...

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say it aint so.!!!!!!!! "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Fountainhead [email hidden]... > >> > 1972 ford pinto > >> > > >> Pre recall ? > >> > > > > Look for one that has previously been rear-ended. Very inexpensive to > > purchase today. > > Weren't all those blown up during the filming of the chase scene for

Top > Secret?(Val Kilmer's Elvis is a spy meets Airplane movie spoof) > dh

Triumph TR6 and TR250, which i both like very much are waaaay over my budget. Unless i'm looking in the wrong places these cars don't come under 3000 euros, not even close. Which is a bummer cause i really like these and they would be ok to tinker with myself, as in no complicated hardware like injection..ABS...etc..etc. Porsche944, it's a porsche but it's ugly and just thinking of spare parts sends me into shock... Alfa, weeeeellll....i can buy a 1982 alfetta sedan(the model with square headlights)... But all in all i'm starting to seriously lean into the MR2...it's light...fast...RWD..mid engine..from what i read it's a seriously fun drive. Only thing i'm slightly concerned about is the lightness of the front...especially at higher speeds it seems to become a tad risky/uncomphy... If you're still reading this remco...is this as bad as i'm reading in certain places or does it only start at high speeds..like 150 kmph and up? cheers, willem

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>How about a Triumph GT6 MkIII? Lovely sounding V6, RWD, gearbox has >overdrive, plus they look fantastic! > >http://www.geocities.com/star_shine_3/DCP_0010b.JPG > >http://www.geocities.com/star_shine_3/DCP_0009b.JPG > >Gerry

Good God!I hope that isn't salt there in the middle of the road! There is probably nothing left of that poor car except for the glass since that picture was taken. LOL

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:12:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: [snip] >The handling is amazing, and you'll out run way more expensive cars >the first 100 meters all the time. There is also a Turbo version, but >if you're handy, you might want to replace the 1.6 16v with a 20v >engine. (Something I still plan to do, when I can find the time). Was there a first generation turbo sold outside the US? In the US, the first generation was supercharged, and the second gen was turbo. I'm inclined to go with Remco's pics over the oldies though. I'd get something like a first gen Miata. Even though there is a lot more electronic stuff on them, those electronics have proven to be far more reliable (and available) than the mechanical parts on the older Brit cars. The only thing is that decent examples are probably right at the edge of your price range, but I also think this would be true of any older Brit car that is mechanically sound.

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Being the Volvo freak that I am, I'd pick up an early 242 and drop a small >block chevy or penta engine in it. Even with the stock intercooled turbo >engine and minor suspension mods in my '81, I'm able to pick off most of the >ricers that come my way. Sure pisses 'em off to get blown away by a 22 year >old dinosaur with the air conditioning blasting away ;-) Me 'n' my ricer will see you and raise you (or maybe just "see ya!") ;-) John

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> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:12:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco > Moedt) wrote: > > [snip] > > >The handling is amazing, and you'll out run way more expensive cars > >the first 100 meters all the time. There is also a Turbo version, but > >if you're handy, you might want to replace the 1.6 16v with a 20v > >engine. (Something I still plan to do, when I can find the time). > > Was there a first generation turbo sold outside the US? In the US, the > first generation was supercharged, and the second gen was turbo. > > I'm inclined to go with Remco's pics over the oldies though. I'd get > something like a first gen Miata. Even though there is a lot more > electronic stuff on them, those electronics have proven to be far more > reliable (and available) than the mechanical parts on the older Brit > cars. The only thing is that decent examples are probably right at the > edge of your price range, but I also think this would be true of any > older Brit car that is mechanically sound. >

And check out www.miata.net plus the forum for lots of info on the MX-5 There is a fanatical following for what is a seriously underrated track car. Slap a roll bar on it and then go giant killing. The bodies are fairly robuts, as they are galvanized, so you won't have to worry about rust slowly (or quickly) turning your car into a noodly wet blanket, like you would with any "classic". The early 1.6's are the ones to go for, as they are cheap and rev more than the 1.8s. The first year had a crankshaft problem which reared its ugly head if the timing belt was changed by a less than perfect mechanic. Later cars had bigger brakes and some extra chassis braces, but you can retrofit these. I've had a lot of fun with my MX-5. The only other cheap RWD cars I would recommend would be the MK1 MR2, as previously noted, and the AE86 Corolla ('85 - '87) which had the same 4A-GE motor. I also had one of these, and it was a close second to the MX-5 for pure fun, and good handling. It is let down only by its rear live axle, but it is well located with several lateral links. Any of these three will be practically bulletproof. I was still autocrossing my AE86 with 300'000 on the clock, and not a wisp of blue smoke. Parts are cheap, and all three are DIY fix-er-uppers. Forget the BMWs, the cheap 944s and anything "classic" if you are on a budget. The purchase price is just the entry price with these. The MX-5, MR2 and Corolla will be quick and entertaining straight out of the box, and never break. Stephen

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>Triumph TR6 and TR250, which i both like very much are waaaay over my >budget. Unless i'm looking in the wrong places these cars don't come >under 3000 euros, not even close. Which is a bummer cause i really >like these and they would be ok to tinker with myself, as in no >complicated hardware like injection..ABS...etc..etc. >Porsche944, it's a porsche but it's ugly and just thinking of spare >parts sends me into shock... >Alfa, weeeeellll....i can buy a 1982 alfetta sedan(the model with >square headlights)... >But all in all i'm starting to seriously lean into the MR2...it's >light...fast...RWD..mid engine..from what i read it's a seriously fun >drive. >Only thing i'm slightly concerned about is the lightness of the >front...especially at higher speeds it seems to become a tad >risky/uncomphy... >If you're still reading this remco...is this as bad as i'm reading in >certain places or does it only start at high speeds..like 150 kmph and >up?

It's indeed an handfull at higher speeds, especiallly when the road condition isn't that good. It also will clinch your buttocks when there are puddles. But I never had the feeling it would go wrong, because the car reacts very fast on your input. I've learned not to drive too fast when the road is wet or in bad condition. Remco

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> > It's indeed an handfull at higher speeds, especiallly when the road > condition isn't that good. It also will clinch your buttocks when > there are puddles. But I never had the feeling it would go wrong, > because the car reacts very fast on your input. I've learned not to > drive too fast when the road is wet or in bad condition. > > Remco >

Just to back up what Remco has said, I never found the MR2 to be any more evil than other quick cars. My MX-5 has made my butt pucker a few times in the rain. My old AE86 Corolla also got the heart pumping, as did several quick FWD cars I have owned. Stephen

1967 GTO. But, it would cost more than the average Porsche these days :( -Larry "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700, "don hodgdon" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Being the Volvo freak that I am, I'd pick up an early 242 and drop asmall > >block chevy or penta engine in it. Even with the stock intercooled turbo > >engine and minor suspension mods in my '81, I'm able to pick off most ofthe > >ricers that come my way. Sure pisses 'em off to get blown away by a 22year

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> >old dinosaur with the air conditioning blasting away ;-) > > Me 'n' my ricer will see you and raise you (or maybe just "see ya!") > > ;-) > > John

Didn't even know the MX5/miata was RWD, for me personally though it doesn't have the looks. I think it's gonna be an MR2, still doubting on wether to go for an MK1 and keep my current car for day to day use, which is handy if you need to take a 40KG german shep to the local forrest, or trade in my current car and get an MR2 MK2.. Willem On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:35:45 +0200, "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just to back up what Remco has said, I never found the MR2 to be any more >evil than other quick cars. My MX-5 has made my butt pucker a few times in >the rain. My old AE86 Corolla also got the heart pumping, as did several >quick FWD cars I have owned. > >Stephen >

Common misconception about the MX-5/Miata. Cute car... must be FWD. I think it has a nice classic Elan-esque shape to it, but I may be biased since I own one. To do the shape justice, you need to see one which is sitting lower on proper springs, and with some modern lightweight 15" alloys (like OZ Superleggeras or Rotas) with decent rubber (or some Minilite copies for a classic look). I would definitely choose the MK1 MR2 over the MK2, but again it's just personal preferences. A nicer (in my opinion motor), lower weight, quicker handling and actually a little less evil at the limit than the 1st years of the MK2. After 1995 or so Toyota sorted out the suspension pickup points on the MK2, which made a big difference in balance. Stephen "willempie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Didn't even know the MX5/miata was RWD, for me personally though it > doesn't have the looks. > I think it's gonna be an MR2, still doubting on wether to go for an > MK1 and keep my current car for day to day use, which is handy if you > need to take a 40KG german shep to the local forrest, or trade in my > current car and get an MR2 MK2.. > > Willem > > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:35:45 +0200, "Stephen F." > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Just to back up what Remco has said, I never found the MR2 to be any more > >evil than other quick cars. My MX-5 has made my butt pucker a few times

in > >the rain. My old AE86 Corolla also got the heart pumping, as did several > >quick FWD cars I have owned. > > > >Stephen > > >

Forget the rice burners! A older corvette can be had for a reasonable price, fun to drive, gets looks from old and young, and just makes you smile all day. Have an 84 coupe, and a 78 pace car, both bought for less than 10 grand, (yeah, I got more than that in them now! LOL) Besides nothing sounds as good as good old American horspower!!

Yes, Corvette's that are used, but not yet collectable, can be really good buys but you have to be sure to get an un-molested car and have an EXPERT examine the body and undercarriage for any evidence of collision. Corvette body work is ungodly expensive from what I understand. -Larry "Flasher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Forget the rice burners! A older corvette can be had for a reasonable > price, fun to drive, gets looks from old and young, and just makes yousmile > all day. Have an 84 coupe, and a 78 pace car, both bought for less than10 > grand, (yeah, I got more than that in them now! LOL) Besides nothingsounds > as good as good old American horspower!! > >

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:02:08 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. >Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. >but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. >Now i was wondering what to go for... >RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to >be able to work on it myself. >And that's all i'm sure off. >It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit >for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving >on normal roads... >It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... >Suggestions?

Might sound funny, but to work on it yourself the Chrysler "Slant 6" is one of the sweetest engines you will ever get your hands on. It will never ever die not in one thousand years without maintanence. In cars like the "Dodge Dart Swinger" from the early 70s. An absolute joy to drive as well, in an American "point the car and go" kind of way. Probably hard to find over there though. ;-)

The MkI handles like a proper sports car, the MkII is less agile but will be quicker on the straights. The MkII gear ratios are all wrong for the race track too. Dunno about the MkI gears, but for a track-day car, I'd say the Mk1 is a better bet. It 'll be more fun and at less costs too. Bye, Leo "willempie" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]...

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> Didn't even know the MX5/miata was RWD, for me personally though it > doesn't have the looks. > I think it's gonna be an MR2, still doubting on wether to go for an > MK1 and keep my current car for day to day use, which is handy if you > need to take a 40KG german shep to the local forrest, or trade in my > current car and get an MR2 MK2.. > > Willem > > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:35:45 +0200, "Stephen F." > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Just to back up what Remco has said, I never found the MR2 to be any more > >evil than other quick cars. My MX-5 has made my butt pucker a few times

in > >the rain. My old AE86 Corolla also got the heart pumping, as did several > >quick FWD cars I have owned. > > > >Stephen > > >

Oh, man. You just flashed me back to my MOST embarrasing moment as an auto mechanic (back in my younger years). You see, the Chrysler 225 slant-sixes have this valley between the outside and inside of the head. It goes straight down into the motor. There is a 'cow-milker' looking tube thingy that goes in the larger hole around where the spark plugs go, and it has an 0-ring on the outer end if I recall correctly. It has a smaller hole in the other end where the spark plug goes, and that holds it in place. The spark plugs are greatly recessed on these engines. Well, the first time I did a tune-up on one of these I was removing the last (back) spark plug and when I wen to put in the new one... the GD thing just disappeared on me. Fell out of my fingers, and up and disappeared. I looked for an hour for this damned spark plug, and I never could find it. It just vaporized into thin air. Well, I was about pissed so when the other mechanic came back from lunch, who had worked on these before, I asked him to help me find it. I just don't like losing metal objects around engines :) He asked me "Did you find a weird tube-looking thing on the floor and you don't know where it came from?" he said. "Yes, in fact I did. Here is is!". He then said "Break out your wrenches. You're pullin' an Oil Pan this afternoon :)" Damned if that tube didn't come out with the old plug, and fell off on the floor. When I went to put the new plug in, since the tube wasn't there any more, it fell straight down into the GD engine. Well, shit. -Larry "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:02:08 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Good day my fellow simmers...lend me yer ears.. > >Recently i've been sitting on a pile of cash, well...a small pile.. > >but i feel the need to spend it...around 2000-3000 euros. > >Now i was wondering what to go for... > >RWD for sure...and no electronic stuff like injection cause i want to > >be able to work on it myself. > >And that's all i'm sure off. > >It's not gonna be a everyday driving car but just a 'take to a circuit > >for a day now and then' car...although it will go to a circuit driving > >on normal roads... > >It can be any age...in any 'state of being'... > >Suggestions? > > Might sound funny, but to work on it yourself the Chrysler "Slant 6" > is one of the sweetest engines you will ever get your hands on. It > will never ever die not in one thousand years without maintanence. In > cars like the "Dodge Dart Swinger" from the early 70s. An absolute joy > to drive as well, in an American "point the car and go" kind of way. > Probably hard to find over there though. ;-)

A Mk1 Lotus Elise, The body does not rust because it is made out of some plastic, fuel economy is quite good with the 1.8 engine and it is quite fast 0-100km in 5.9. In black has really good looks. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LCEXa.8339$ug.3591@lakeread01...

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> 1967 GTO. But, it would cost more than the average Porsche these days :( > > -Larry > > "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700, "don hodgdon" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Being the Volvo freak that I am, I'd pick up an early 242 and drop a > small > > >block chevy or penta engine in it. Even with the stock intercooled

turbo > > >engine and minor suspension mods in my '81, I'm able to pick off mostof

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> the > > >ricers that come my way. Sure pisses 'em off to get blown away by a 22 > year > > >old dinosaur with the air conditioning blasting away ;-) > > > > Me 'n' my ricer will see you and raise you (or maybe just "see ya!") > > > > ;-) > > > > John > >

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:53:27 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh, man. You just flashed me back to my MOST embarrasing moment as an auto >mechanic (back in my younger years). LOL, good story, thx for sharing.

"Shooting Star" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f32d8f2$0$36907$[email hidden]... > A Mk1 Lotus Elise, > The body does not rust because it is made out of some plastic, fueleconomy > is quite good with the 1.8 engine and it is quite fast 0-100km in 5.9. In > black has really good looks. Let's not forget the original 3000? price cap as our dreams spiral... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LCEXa.8339$ug.3591@lakeread01... > > 1967 GTO. But, it would cost more than the average Porsche these days:(

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> > > > -Larry > > > > "John Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700, "don hodgdon" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Being the Volvo freak that I am, I'd pick up an early 242 and drop a > > small > > > >block chevy or penta engine in it. Even with the stock intercooled > turbo > > > >engine and minor suspension mods in my '81, I'm able to pick off most > of > > the > > > >ricers that come my way. Sure pisses 'em off to get blown away by a

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