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New Laptop.. Need GPL help

21 posts by 8 people · 01 Aug 2003 00:12 UTC - 05 Aug 2003 06:55 UTC

Getting Grand Prix Legends running on a fast new laptop

Todd Wasson of Performance Simulations asked for the patches needed to run GPL on a new 2.66GHz laptop and was pointed to the Papyrus downloads page, along with some ribbing from Byron Forbes for not finding it himself. Once running, he reported that tripling his frame rate made GPL far easier to drive. The thread drifted into frame rates and resolution, and Wasson praised netKar's physics.

With J. Todd Wasson (Performance Simulations)

tech supporthardware: PC/graphicsGrand Prix Legends

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote: > Does anyone have the > patches and so forth to get GPL running on it? They're all at papy.com in the downloads section Andrew McP
www.papy.com in the downloads section........ "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (10 lines)> The new P4 2.66Ghz laptop is here and running great. Does anyone have the > patches and so forth to get GPL running on it? I know there was one for 1Ghz+ > systems that was required.... > > Thanks! > Todd Wasson > Racing Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >
Andrew, you just encouraged massive mental laziness! :) Amazing this guy can find this ng but not that patch?????????????? "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote: > > > Does anyone have the > > patches and so forth to get GPL running on it? > > They're all at papy.com in the downloads section > > Andrew McP
In article <3f2a3b5c$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Byron Forbes) wrote: > Andrew, you just encouraged massive mental laziness! :) I sometimes think that people who ask the simplest questions are the ones who need the most help. Or maybe they're the only questions I'm capable of answering? ;-) Andrew McP
LOL, But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant even check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he do if he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... I mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds of tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google search? I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your hand through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with links to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) Plowboy... "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (11 lines)> In article <3f2a3b5c$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Byron > Forbes) wrote: > > > Andrew, you just encouraged massive mental laziness! :) > > I sometimes think that people who ask the simplest questions are the > ones who need the most help. > > Or maybe they're the only questions I'm capable of answering? ;-) > > Andrew McP
Quoted text (9 lines)>From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >LOL, > >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant even >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he do if >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms...
I >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds of >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google >search? > >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL > The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was flooded with links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save that thread, but I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independently and wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. I thought I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary to get things running on the new system. I stand corrected :-) >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your hand >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! > Saw that one already, thanks though! >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with links >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) > >Plowboy... > > Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
Quoted text (14 lines)>rom: [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) >Date: 7/31/2003 7:50 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote: > >> Does anyone have the >> patches and so forth to get GPL running on it? > >They're all at papy.com in the downloads section > >Andrew McP >
Thanks, Andrew! Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
HEY!! I did it all with a grin, I was diggin about you, and even left you a link... Some will plain old slap ya!? :) that GPL++ if it isn't mentioned there (& linked) or if a site that is got a link on that page doesnt take you there, Well, I havent seen it... course you understand GPL is not what I spen most of my time on anymore... Im a Nascar nut... dont take me too hard... I was really trying to make a point and have fun... have a good one... "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (8 lines)> >From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] > >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > >LOL, > > > >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant even > >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he do
if
Quoted text (11 lines)> >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... > > I > >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds of > >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google > >search? > > > >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL > > > > The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was flooded
with > links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save thatthread, but > I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) > > Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independentlyand > wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. Ithought > I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary toget
Quoted text (13 lines)> things running on the new system. > > I stand corrected :-) > > >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your hand > >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P > > > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! > > > > Saw that one already, thanks though! > > >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with
links
Quoted text (12 lines)> >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) > > > >Plowboy... > > > > > > > Todd Wasson > Racing Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >
Quoted text (79 lines)>From: "PlowBoy" [email hidden] >Date: 8/2/2003 12:20 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >HEY!! > >I did it all with a grin, I was diggin about you, and even left you a >link... Some will plain old slap ya!? :) >that GPL++ if it isn't mentioned there (& linked) or if a site that is got a >link on that page doesnt take you there, Well, I havent seen it... course >you understand GPL is not what I spen most of my time on anymore... > >Im a Nascar nut... > >dont take me too hard... I was really trying to make a point and have >fun... > >have a good one... > >"J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] >> >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time >> >Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> > >> >LOL, >> > >> >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant even >> >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he do >if >> >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... >> >> I >> >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds of >> >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google >> >search? >> > >> >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL >> > >> >> The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was flooded >with >> links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save that >thread, but >> I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) >> >> Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independently >and >> wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. I >thought >> I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary to >get >> things running on the new system. >> >> I stand corrected :-) >> >> >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your hand >> >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P >> > >> >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! >> > >> >> Saw that one already, thanks though! >> >> >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with >links >> >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) >> > >> >Plowboy... >> > >> > >> >> >> Todd Wasson >> Racing Software >> http://PerformanceSimulations.com >> http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >> >
Ah, ok. Sorry for overreacting, it was tough to hear your tone of voice on the PC :-D Thanks a lot for the links though! Everything is working great. GPL is MUCH easier to drive at higher resolution and 3x the frame rate. It only took about one hour to get a new PB at Zandvoort (my new favorite after visiting the real track a couple months ago ;-)) 1:27:47 :-) Got a few seconds to go yet before breaking any records! lol Thanks again, Plowboy. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) writes: >Thanks a lot for the links though! Everything is working great. GPL is MUCH >easier to drive at higher resolution and 3x the frame rate. It only took >about >one hour to get a new PB at Zandvoort (my new favorite after visiting the >real >track a couple months ago ;-)) Higher resolution? What were you running at, and what are you running now? I'm at 1024x768, but my system won't let me crank the graphics any... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
FFS buddy, are you kidding?????? Here fido - http://www.papyrusracing.com/gpl/download.html Whoda thought you'd find it there aye!!!??? "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (8 lines)> >From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] > >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > >LOL, > > > >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant even > >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he do
if
Quoted text (11 lines)> >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... > > I > >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds of > >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google > >search? > > > >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL > > > > The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was flooded
with > links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save thatthread, but > I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) > > Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independentlyand > wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. Ithought > I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary toget
Quoted text (13 lines)> things running on the new system. > > I stand corrected :-) > > >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your hand > >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P > > > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! > > > > Saw that one already, thanks though! > > >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with
links
Quoted text (12 lines)> >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) > > > >Plowboy... > > > > > > > Todd Wasson > Racing Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >
PS - Plug computer into mains, turn on. Same for Monitor (the small TV thing) On the front of your computer you should find a button marked "POWER". Push it! Same for Monitor (yep, that small TV thingy again). Now, ................................................... "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (16 lines)> FFS buddy, are you kidding?????? > > Here fido - http://www.papyrusracing.com/gpl/download.html > > Whoda thought you'd find it there aye!!!??? > > > "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] > > >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time > > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > > > > >LOL, > > > > > >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant
even > > >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will hedo > if > > >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... > > > > I > > >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundredsof
Quoted text (7 lines)> > >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google > > >search? > > > > > >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL > > > > > > > The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was
flooded
Quoted text (10 lines)> with > > links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save that > thread, but > > I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) > > > > Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independently > and > > wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. I > thought > > I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary
to > get > > things running on the new system. > > > > I stand corrected :-) > > > > >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding yourhand
Quoted text (23 lines)> > >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P > > > > > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! > > > > > > > Saw that one already, thanks though! > > > > >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with > links > > >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) > > > > > >Plowboy... > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Wasson > > Racing Software > > http://PerformanceSimulations.com > > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm > > > >
Byron Forbes wrote: > > PS - Plug computer into mains, turn on. Same for Monitor (the small TV > thing) On the front of your computer you should find a button marked > "POWER". Push it! Same for Monitor (yep, that small TV thingy again). Now, Welcome back Byron, I've missed these ....:-) Now, if we can lure Bart back in here ....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--
Quoted text (20 lines)>From: [email hidden] (EldredP) >Date: 8/2/2003 8:28 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(J. >Todd Wasson) writes: > >>Thanks a lot for the links though! Everything is working great. GPL is >MUCH >>easier to drive at higher resolution and 3x the frame rate. It only took >>about >>one hour to get a new PB at Zandvoort (my new favorite after visiting the >>real >>track a couple months ago ;-)) > >Higher resolution? What were you running at, and what are you running now? >I'm at 1024x768, but my system won't let me crank the graphics any... > >Eldred
The resolution was only bumped a little bit from I think 524x?? to 640x480. Don't remember the exact one. How are you getting 1024x768? What's helping the most is the higher frame rate though, of course, although it'd be nice to see in 1024x768 or higher. netKar runs great on this at 1400x1050. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
Quoted text (86 lines)>From: "Byron Forbes" [email hidden] >Date: 8/3/2003 7:59 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <3f2d0b0a$[email hidden]> > > PS - Plug computer into mains, turn on. Same for Monitor (the small TV >thing) On the front of your computer you should find a button marked >"POWER". Push it! Same for Monitor (yep, that small TV thingy again). Now, >................................................... > > >"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> FFS buddy, are you kidding?????? >> >> Here fido - http://www.papyrusracing.com/gpl/download.html >> >> Whoda thought you'd find it there aye!!!??? >> >> >> "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >From: "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" [email hidden] >> > >Date: 8/1/2003 3:15 PM Central Daylight Time >> > >Message-id: <[email hidden]> >> > > >> > >LOL, >> > > >> > >But I usually read questions like the above, and go "Jesus, he cant >even >> > >check with the software vender or google or even yahoo? What will he >do >> if >> > >he has to edit the .ini file?" and so I wont open that can of worms... >> > >> > I >> > >mean there is a lot of info he could use, like that there are hundreds >of >> > >tracks, new cars & textures to be found, but he cant even do a google >> > >search? >> > > >> > >I wish him good luck adding anything to that game... Sheesh! LOL >> > > >> > >> > The reason I asked is because someone else did so recently and was >flooded >> with >> > links. I was hoping for similar treatment since I didn't save that >> thread, but >> > I guess "gosh, you must be stupid, here ya go" comments work too ;-) >> > >> > Last I heard was the 1+GHz patch was written by a Papy guy independently >> and >> > wasn't available at their site. That was a long time ago, I guess. I >> thought >> > I'd save myself some trouble in case that wasn't all that was necessary >to >> get >> > things running on the new system. >> > >> > I stand corrected :-) >> > >> > >Here are 2 good sites for GPL but don't ask me, Im not holding your >hand >> > >through it, as I could slip and drag both of us off that cliff :P >> > > >> > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ Tracks out the wazoo! >> > > >> > >> > Saw that one already, thanks though! >> > >> > >http://gplpp.com/index.htm not the best site? but good starter with >> links >> > >to other sites and add-ons and, and... (I think its great, But YMMV) >> > > >> > >Plowboy... >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > Todd Wasson >> > Racing Software >> > http://PerformanceSimulations.com >> > http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm >> > >> >>
Well, Einstein, since this is a laptop your instructions don't help much. I can't find the power cable to plug into the monitor. Any ideas? ;-) This reminds me of a tech support call wav file passed my way a year or two ago. The guy called to say that he moved the mouse to the left side of the mouse pad, but still needed the cursor to go a little bit further to the left and wasn't sure what to do. He left a message and said he'd wait for the return phone call.. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) writes: >The resolution was only bumped a little bit from I think 524x?? to 640x480. >Don't remember the exact one. How are you getting 1024x768? Ti4600 video card. I *think* GPL will led me go up to 1280 x 1024(can't remember at the moment), but then the frame rate is unacceptable. I wonder if the higher resolution helps people drive better? One of these years, I'll be able to afford to replace my 17" Compaq monitor...then I'll be invincible! :-) Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Quoted text (18 lines)>From: [email hidden] (EldredP) >Date: 8/3/2003 9:22 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(J. >Todd Wasson) writes: > >>The resolution was only bumped a little bit from I think 524x?? to 640x480. >>Don't remember the exact one. How are you getting 1024x768? > >Ti4600 video card. I *think* GPL will led me go up to 1280 x 1024(can't >remember at the moment), but then the frame rate is unacceptable. >I wonder if the higher resolution helps people drive better? One of these >years, I'll be able to afford to replace my 17" Compaq monitor...then I'll be >invincible! :-) > >Eldred
For me, a fast frame rate is proving to be the biggest help. It's really a huge difference going from around 12 to 33-36 fps (software mode). I can throw the car around a lot more aggressively than before and still keep ahold of it (most of the time). It's much easier to drive now than I thought it would be, and it's much easier to tell when the setup is understeering/oversteering too much and what the car is really doing. In regards to higher resolution: I'm running netKar now at 1400x1050x32 and it's smooth as silk, although for me anything over 1024x768 is pretty much helping the eye candy more than my driving, it seems. Everyone's different though. We've both read threads where folks can't drive unless the frame rate is over 50 or so. I'll never understand that one... My first 1:30 lap at Monza was on a P-60 running 3-4 fps. Maybe it's from starting out on old computers where if you have maybe 30 or so polygons running at 12 fps, things looked pretty impressive even without the textures :-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) writes: >In regards to higher resolution: I'm running netKar now at 1400x1050x32 and >it's smooth as silk, although for me anything over 1024x768 is pretty much >helping the eye candy more than my driving, it seems. > I haven't tried NetKar yet. I can't remember if that or LFS needed DX9, which I haven't loaded yet.
Quoted text (7 lines)>Everyone's different though. We've both read threads where folks can't drive >unless the frame rate is over 50 or so. I'll never understand that one... >My >first 1:30 lap at Monza was on a P-60 running 3-4 fps. Maybe it's from >starting out on old computers where if you have maybe 30 or so polygons >running >at 12 fps, things looked pretty impressive even without the textures :-)
You ran a 1:30 lap at 3FPS?!? You da MAN! It took me...well, longer. But in N2003 and F1C, my car control improved as I lowered graphics to gain FPS. I first noticed in N2003, after David gave me some suggestion on what settings to tweak. I went from about 35-45 fps to 65-70 fps. I'm still slow as hell, but I don't spin as often now. <g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Quoted text (17 lines)>From: [email hidden] (EldredP) >Date: 8/4/2003 7:06 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(J. >Todd Wasson) writes: > >>In regards to higher resolution: I'm running netKar now at 1400x1050x32 and >>it's smooth as silk, although for me anything over 1024x768 is pretty much >>helping the eye candy more than my driving, it seems. >> > >I haven't tried NetKar yet. I can't remember if that or LFS needed DX9, >which >I haven't loaded yet. >
I'm not sure, but I think NetKar is the one that needs DX9, if one of them doesn't. NetKar's really good. I'm impressed with Stefano's work on this. It's quite a bit better than I expected (and I expected it to be quite good :-)) It was definately was worth the download and it'll see many hours of playtime on my end. I only hope it picks up so I can find somebody in the states or Canada to race with. The ping is too high from Europe. LFS has been my only online racing experience of this type (aside from the late 80's through a 1200 baud modem with Stunt Driver, of course ;-)) It's well worth the download!
Quoted text (10 lines)>>Everyone's different though. We've both read threads where folks can't >drive >>unless the frame rate is over 50 or so. I'll never understand that one... >>My >>first 1:30 lap at Monza was on a P-60 running 3-4 fps. Maybe it's from >>starting out on old computers where if you have maybe 30 or so polygons >>running >>at 12 fps, things looked pretty impressive even without the textures :-) > >You ran a 1:30 lap at 3FPS?!? You da MAN! It took me...well, longer.
Thanks ;-) There was a big time warp going on there though that helped me substantially. The sim was running at about 1/2 speed, which effectively gave me Superman reflexes to combat the hideous frame rate and bouncing engine sound. >But in N2003 and F1C, my car control improved as I lowered graphics to gain >FPS. I first noticed in N2003, after David gave me some suggestion on what >settings to tweak. I went from about 35-45 fps to 65-70 fps. I'm still slow >as hell, but I don't spin as often now. <g> > That's one I'll have to pick up too. I'm of course a road racing guy, but think I'd have a ball with N2003 anyway :-)
Quoted text (8 lines)>Eldred >-- >Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my >homepage) >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >
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