Logitech MOMO Force compared to Guillemot Ferrari FF Wheel

I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked it. However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system is sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it is annoying and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clamp better suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade down. Thanks.

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> I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked it. > However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system is > sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it is annoying > and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clamp better > suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the > MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade > down. >

I've got both.. and only use the momo.. (tho I do have the leather one - is that the force - I forget!) I woudl give more info.. but he pub is calling!! Drinking not drivin tonight :-) Steve

My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO Force. No comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software also actually works, unlike the Guillemot. Marc "Fountainhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked it. > However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system is > sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it is annoying > and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clamp better > suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the > MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade > down. > > Thanks.

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_dzWa.10645$[email hidden]... > My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO Force.No > comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software alsoactually > works, unlike the Guillemot. I agree completely. I had a TM F1 FF for about 3 weeks, but the throttle pedal broke & I swapped it for a Momo Force (Red one). The TM wheel was well built & sturdy, the pedals had decent travel but were a little too heavy for my taste, and as it turned out, the base was flexing under the pressure & eventually (after 3 weeks) broke. In comparison the Momo feels similarly well built, but the paddles are separate and I preferred the single bar of the TM wheel. The FF on the TM wheel was pretty good, but the Momo is far superior imo & much quieter too. The pedals aren't as well positioned as the TM ones, but the springs are a better weighted imo and the travel is long enough for me. The TM software just plain sucked though, it was really crap, crashed alot, and the setting for split-axis pedals is buried in the profiler, so you have to set up a profile for every game. The Logitech software is much more friendly, the split-axis selection is universal too, so if like me you don't use profiles, it's alot easier to set up for several games. I've had the Momo for several weeks now, and it's proved to be reliable, stable & solid. My only gripe (apart from the paddles) is that the desk locking mechanism doesn't look like it will last more than a year or so, but the TM F1 FF felt no better to me. Malc.

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> "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_dzWa.10645$[email hidden]... > > My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO Force. > No > > comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software also > actually > > works, unlike the Guillemot. > > I agree completely. I had a TM F1 FF for about 3 weeks, but the throttle > pedal broke & I swapped it for a Momo Force (Red one). > > The TM wheel was well built & sturdy, the pedals had decent travel but

were > a little too heavy for my taste, and as it turned out, the base wasflexing > under the pressure & eventually (after 3 weeks) broke. > > In comparison the Momo feels similarly well built, but the paddles are > separate and I preferred the single bar of the TM wheel. The FF on the TM > wheel was pretty good, but the Momo is far superior imo & much quietertoo. > The pedals aren't as well positioned as the TM ones, but the springs are a > better weighted imo and the travel is long enough for me. > > The TM software just plain sucked though, it was really crap, crashedalot, 'alot' is not a word. What you mean is 'a lot'. > and the setting for split-axis pedals is buried in the profiler, so youhave > to set up a profile for every game. The Logitech software is much more > friendly, the split-axis selection is universal too, so if like me youdon't > use profiles, it's alot easier to set up for several games. > > I've had the Momo for several weeks now, and it's proved to be reliable, > stable & solid. My only gripe (apart from the paddles) is that the desk > locking mechanism doesn't look like it will last more than a year or so,but > the TM F1 FF felt no better to me. > > Malc. > >

"Pig Licker" > > 'alot' is not a word. What you mean is 'a lot'. 'a lot' is where I would put a-lot of apartments or cars. dave henrie

"Pig***er" 'a lot' is where I would put a-lot of apartments or cars. dave henrie

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> > "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2tDWa.53730$[email hidden]... > > The TM software just plain sucked though, it was really crap, crashed > alot, > > 'alot' is not a word. What you mean is 'a lot'.

School holidays are upon us again I see ;-) Malc.

Saw your post, honestly, i wouldn't touch Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company is about to close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they laid everybody off from North America, and the rest of the world also. They kept a couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released and generate that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers will be released for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there are two people to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed their contact information, try to find it. They make you have to register the product, then you get the support phone numbers and support emails addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is because there is no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot will be no more,save yourself alot of headaches Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<_dzWa.10645$[email hidden]>...

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> My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO Force. No > comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software also actually > works, unlike the Guillemot. > > Marc > > "Fountainhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked it. > > However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system is > > sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it is annoying > > and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clamp better > > suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the > > MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade > > down. > > > > Thanks.

Sad news.... I still have my trusty Guillemot Ferrari FF, almost 4 years of abuse it has taken now, with not even a change of pots. Thats QUALITY for you !!! Sure the pedals are getting a bit wierd and some buttons don't work unless the wheel is not turned... and it's making soft moaning noises now like it really want to be retired. But it's my companion dammit, I have never owned any other wheel, this one has followed me from my first small steps in simracing, up until my current status as a veteran driver in several different sims. Hi my name is Mikkel and I'm a Guillemotoholic..... If anyone has a new or almost new Guillemot Ferrari FF I'll be happy to buy. I wanna make a huge pile of them so I never have to drive using anything else ;) Mikkel ex guillemot <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Saw your post, honestly, i wouldn't touch > Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company is about to > close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they laid everybody > off from North America, and the rest of the world also. They kept a > couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released and generate > that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers will be released > for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there are two people > to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed their contact > information, try to find it. They make you have to register the > product, then you get the support phone numbers and support emails > addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is because there is > no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot will be no > more,save yourself alot of headaches > > Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<_dzWa.10645$[email hidden]>... > > My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO Force.No > > comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software alsoactually

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> > works, unlike the Guillemot. > > > > Marc > > > > "Fountainhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked it. > > > However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system

is > > > sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it is annoying > > > and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clampbetter > > > suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the > > > MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade > > > down. > > > > > > Thanks.

Email me if yer serious. "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f2b8deb$0$13218$[email hidden]... > Sad news.... I still have my trusty Guillemot Ferrari FF, almost 4 yearsof > abuse it has taken now, with not even a change of pots. > Thats QUALITY for you !!! > > Sure the pedals are getting a bit wierd and some buttons don't work unless > the wheel is not turned... and it's making soft moaning noises now like it > really want to be retired. But it's my companion dammit, I have neverowned > any other wheel, this one has followed me from my first small steps in > simracing, up until my current status as a veteran driver in several > different sims. > > Hi my name is Mikkel and I'm a Guillemotoholic..... > If anyone has a new or almost new Guillemot Ferrari FF I'll be happy tobuy.

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> I wanna make a huge pile of them so I never have to drive using anything > else ;) > > Mikkel > > ex guillemot <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Saw your post, honestly, i wouldn't touch > > Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company is about to > > close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they laid everybody > > off from North America, and the rest of the world also. They kept a > > couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released and generate > > that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers will be released > > for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there are two people > > to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed their contact > > information, try to find it. They make you have to register the > > product, then you get the support phone numbers and support emails > > addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is because there is > > no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot will be no > > more,save yourself alot of headaches > > > > Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<_dzWa.10645$[email hidden]>... > > > My previous wheel was the Guillemot Ferrari and now I have a MOMO

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> No > > > comparison. The MOMO is better in every regard. The software also > actually > > > works, unlike the Guillemot. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > "Fountainhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I have had the Ferrari wheel for some time, and I've always liked

it. > > > > However, I've gotten a new desk, and the Guillemot's clamping system > is > > > > sort of a pain on the new desk. I can make it work, but it isannoying

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> > > > and time consuming. The Logitech MOMO Force seems to have a clamp > better > > > > suited for what I need. Has anyone used both of these wheels? Is the > > > > MOMO the equal of the older Ferrari wheel? I wouldn't want to trade > > > > down. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > >

The Springs broke for the third time on my Ferrari FF wheel a few months ago but Thrustmaster had run out of replacement spring (no wonder as they're now going out of buissness) so I replaced it with the Red Momo Force which I must say is fab. It's better in every respect. It's got fewever buttons which i sometomes miss but with the software you can go "shift" combos. I no longer miss the shift stick becasue I've got a proper GPL usb shifter which is a great addon fo the Momo. The peddles might have short travel but are very sturdy and a pleasure to use (especailly if you replce the break spring with a squash ball). The FF is very good on the Ferrari but better still with the Momo. Overall build quality on the Momo is better than the Ferrari and you get leather covered wheel and sturdy metal paddles. Go for the leather Momo you won't regret it (and get hold of a GPL usb shifter if you can) Some Call Me Tim

As a recent former Thrustmaster employeee, i agree, get the Mono. All the Thrustmaster FFB wheels have major spring issues, motor issues Shifter paddle issues which most they do not have replacement parts, btw, try to get support or warranty now, no wonder Guillemot went out of business TBW "Some Call Me Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> The Springs broke for the third time on my Ferrari FF wheel a few months ago > but Thrustmaster had run out of replacement spring (no wonder as they're now > going out of buissness) so I replaced it with the Red Momo Force which I > must say is fab. It's better in every respect. It's got fewever buttons > which i sometomes miss but with the software you can go "shift" combos. I no > longer miss the shift stick becasue I've got a proper GPL usb shifter which > is a great addon fo the Momo. The peddles might have short travel but are > very sturdy and a pleasure to use (especailly if you replce the break spring > with a squash ball). The FF is very good on the Ferrari but better still > with the Momo. Overall build quality on the Momo is better than the Ferrari > and you get leather covered wheel and sturdy metal paddles. > > Go for the leather Momo you won't regret it (and get hold of a GPL usb > shifter if you can) > > Some Call Me Tim

I couldn't agree more. I did the same upgrade almost 2 years ago when the momo first came out. My Thrustmaste Ferrari FF had broken just about everything in 3 months of use. My Momo is still perfect after almost 2 years of hard use, and has plenty more life it in. I bought the Momo on the grounds of quality, and it paid off. The only adjustment needed on the momo was a tightening of all the screws when it was about 2 months old. I understand that this is a common problem. One screw holding the motor to the wheel had come completely loose, so I torqued up everything inside my wheel, and its still as tight as a drum now. "ex guillemot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> As a recent former Thrustmaster employeee, i agree, get the Mono. All > the Thrustmaster FFB wheels have major spring issues, motor issues > Shifter paddle issues which most they do not have replacement parts, > btw, try to get support or warranty now, no wonder Guillemot went out > of business > > TBW > > "Some Call Me Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>... > > The Springs broke for the third time on my Ferrari FF wheel a few monthsago > > but Thrustmaster had run out of replacement spring (no wonder as they'renow > > going out of buissness) so I replaced it with the Red Momo Force which I > > must say is fab. It's better in every respect. It's got fewever buttons > > which i sometomes miss but with the software you can go "shift" combos.I no > > longer miss the shift stick becasue I've got a proper GPL usb shifterwhich > > is a great addon fo the Momo. The peddles might have short travel butare > > very sturdy and a pleasure to use (especailly if you replce the breakspring > > with a squash ball). The FF is very good on the Ferrari but better still > > with the Momo. Overall build quality on the Momo is better than theFerrari > > and you get leather covered wheel and sturdy metal paddles. > > > > Go for the leather Momo you won't regret it (and get hold of a GPL usb > > shifter if you can) > > > > Some Call Me Tim