Saitek's triple MFD lcd

http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and***pit gages.

On Jul 26, 9:15 pm, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: > http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html > > This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using those > screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages. Very cool! Pat Dotson

"Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2Hbqi.3338$[email hidden]... > http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html > > This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using > those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages. > FFS, just get a real race car!

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> "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2Hbqi.3338$[email hidden]... >> http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html >> >> This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using >> those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages. >> > > FFS, just get a real race car! >

I personaly love Pat's idea. :-) If you don't like racing sims and getting them as real as possible, what the hell are you doing here?

"M Knorr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s_jri.13972$[email hidden]...

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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:46ad7df9$[email hidden]... >> "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:2Hbqi.3338$[email hidden]... >>> http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html >>> >>> This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using >>> those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages. >>> >> >> FFS, just get a real race car! >> > I personaly love Pat's idea. :-) > > If you don't like racing sims and getting them as real as possible, what > the hell are you doing here? >

Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting too much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go and do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just fine.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:46afcff0$[email hidden]...

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> > "M Knorr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s_jri.13972$[email hidden]... >> >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:46ad7df9$[email hidden]... >>> "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:2Hbqi.3338$[email hidden]... >>>> http://gear.ign.com/articles/807/807903p1.html >>>> >>>> This looks absolutely cool and i hope it's customizable. Imagine using >>>> those screens for rear view mirrors, RPM and cockpit gages. >>>> >>> >>> FFS, just get a real race car! >>> >> I personaly love Pat's idea. :-) >> >> If you don't like racing sims and getting them as real as possible, what >> the hell are you doing here? >> > > Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting too > much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go > and do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just > fine.

Who is to say what is too much money? Adding gauges, monitors for rear vision mirrors, motion platforms all makes the simming that much more reallistic. Whilst I have never looked at a real race car, I doubt that it would be cheaper than all the add ons for a sim. Besides, you will always walk away from a crash in a sim. Something that sadly cannot be said for real racing. I have MS FSX and would never spend the money others have on re creating a full 747 cockpit. But I would never judge those that do. In fact I am in awe of what they achive. Not only were you judgmental, you were also obusive to Pat. I find everyone's opinion worthwhile. You could have just said " I would never spend that much for a sim" Anyway, that is my opinion :-P Manfred

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >>> FFS, just get a real race car! > > ...Not only were you judgmental, you were also obusive to Pat. I find > everyone's opinion worthwhile. You could have just said " I would never > spend that much for a sim"

Actually, I don't think Byron was responding to me. Though, apparently, he would find my sim hardware to be overkill :) I can speak from personal experience here. I raced karts for five years up until last year. Spring came last year and I just couldn't get the motivation to prepare the kart. Then summer came and I still just couldn't work up the drive. To do it right requires hours upon hours of maintenace every week. Then you have an hour or two in loading and unloading to go the the track. Another hour or two driving to the track... Then you sit around at the track all day and get maybe get 15 or 20 minutes of track time total. Forget the money! Real life racing just takes too much time. A $2000 sim rig is a bargain compared to a $2000 kart in terms of track time and sheer enjoyment. Plus you don't have to buy tires, fuel, spare parts, entry fees, etc. - all the other costs that go along with running a racing program. All that said, I still have all the karting equipment, and the itch to go racing is growing again. It's a hard habit to break! :) I'm not sure what the point of all this is, except to say that sim racing gives a lot of bang for the buck compared to real life racing. Real racing can't compete with the convenience of sim-racing. Honestly, I have more fun with racing sims than real racing. Real racing is full of frustration and boredom. It's like golf, though, the moments of joy will keep you coming back. The pinnacles of joy for me in karting were a couple of big races I won while coming from the tail. I wouldn't trade those wins for anything. On balance, though, the time, effort, and expense needed to achieve those two experiences was outrageous. Pat Dotson

On Jul 31, 8:12 pm, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting too > much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go and > do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just fine. I don't agree. Sim-racing is infinitely more convenient and cost effective than real racing. I just don't have time to go real racing anymore. Sim-racing in a really good rig can provide an intensely immersive experience. Online racing adds additional intensity. Overall, I find sim-racing to be more enjoyable than real racing. Money doesn't even have to figure into the equation for sim-racing to be a viable alternative to real racing for some individuals. Pat Dotson

> Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting too > much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go > and do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just > fine.If you had any idea how much time and money real racing requires, you wouldn't say that. The price of three sets of Hoosiers really doesn't compare with a 99$ MFD.

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> Actually, I don't think Byron was responding to me. Though, > apparently, he would find my sim hardware to be overkill :) > > I can speak from personal experience here. I raced karts for five > years up until last year. Spring came last year and I just couldn't > get the motivation to prepare the kart. Then summer came and I still > just couldn't work up the drive. To do it right requires hours upon > hours of maintenace every week. Then you have an hour or two in > loading and unloading to go the the track. Another hour or two > driving to the track... Then you sit around at the track all day and > get maybe get 15 or 20 minutes of track time total. > > Forget the money! Real life racing just takes too much time. A $2000 > sim rig is a bargain compared to a $2000 kart in terms of track time > and sheer enjoyment. Plus you don't have to buy tires, fuel, spare > parts, entry fees, etc. - all the other costs that go along with > running a racing program. > > All that said, I still have all the karting equipment, and the itch to > go racing is growing again. It's a hard habit to break! :) > > I'm not sure what the point of all this is, except to say that sim > racing gives a lot of bang for the buck compared to real life racing. > Real racing can't compete with the convenience of sim-racing. > Honestly, I have more fun with racing sims than real racing. > > Real racing is full of frustration and boredom. It's like golf, > though, the moments of joy will keep you coming back. The pinnacles > of joy for me in karting were a couple of big races I won while coming > from the tail. I wouldn't trade those wins for anything. On balance, > though, the time, effort, and expense needed to achieve those two > experiences was outrageous. > > Pat Dotson >

The worst thing is that kart racing is a lot cheaper than auto racing. You need a truck, a trailer, a race car, a lot of tires and a few good friends that will crew for you in exchange for food, beer and lodging. Since it's very rare to live close to a racetrack, travel is both expensive and time consuming. 25000$ a year is considered low budget for road racing and will ensure that you will be mid pack at best. Once you're married and have kids, going away for 2-3 days to go racing is usually grounds for divorce.

> > Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting too > much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go > and do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just > fine. > That is not an option for everyone... my competition license was removed due to a heart condition. "real" racing is simply NOT an option anymore. Your point is valid for you perhaps. -==-

Doesn't that suck? I was a few hours and a cross-country solo away from my Pilots License when my medical got pulled due to a spine issue. Back pain was ok. But when the sciatica started effecting the feet, the doc said that's it. $15,000 down the drain :( Oh well. Even after 20 years, I'm still confident that if the little green martians came down with their ray-guns, and I had to escape Las Vegas in a Cessna 152-2 I could still get the job done :) Assuming I didn't have any Slim Whitman CD's lying around, which I ASSURE you I would not. -Larry "==--==" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mv8si.21053$_d2.2690@pd7urf3no...

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> That is not an option for everyone... my competition license was removed > due to a heart condition. "real" racing is simply NOT an option anymore. > Your point is valid for you perhaps. > > -==- > >

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> On Jul 31, 8:12 pm, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Look, you must surely acknowledge that there's a point where puting >> too >> much money/effort into simming becomes ridiculous and one should just go >> and >> do the real thing. The simmed gauges on the monitor will do me just fine. > > I don't agree. Sim-racing is infinitely more convenient and cost > effective than real racing. I just don't have time to go real racing > anymore. Sim-racing in a really good rig can provide an intensely > immersive experience. Online racing adds additional intensity. > Overall, I find sim-racing to be more enjoyable than real racing. > Money doesn't even have to figure into the equation for sim-racing to > be a viable alternative to real racing for some individuals. > > Pat Dotson > >

Gooday Pat. So they're your gizmos aye? It seems there is a market for your gear and that simmers are getting into all sorts of addons these days. Personally, as I have been for years now, I'm waiting for the headgear that has the sound and 3D goggles built in - TRON like full immersion! :) 'til then, those little gauges on the monitor 'ill do. PS - I have done no legal racing but I'm sure the real thing is a far bigger blast than simming - there's nothing like REAL danger! :) PS #2 - I hope I wasn't too "obusive" - whatever the fuck that is! LOL.

On Aug 3, 12:42 am, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Gooday Pat. So they're your gizmos aye? It seems there is a market for > your gear and that simmers are getting into all sorts of addons these days. The Saitek LCD things? No. I don't do anything like that. My only product at the moment is a motion-platform alternative that gives seat- of-the-pants G-force feedback. > Personally, as I have been for years now, I'm waiting for the headgear > that has the sound and 3D goggles built in - TRON like full immersion! :) Me too! I'm so disappointed at the relative lack of progress of the race sim hardware. I thought we'd have good HMD's by the early 2000's. Here we are in 2007 and there really isn't a good and affordable HMD alternative. > 'til then, those little gauges on the monitor 'ill do. I'm with you there. I've developed a really nice simulator system to showcase my G-Seat, but so far haven't gotten into external gauges or anything like that. I've tried to keep it a more generic platform where I can do stock cars, open wheel stuff, or whatever, and not box myself in by copying the appearance of one particular type of race car. I do see where external gauges or rear view monitors could add quite a bit to the immersion level of simming, though. I think there is a lot to be said for interacting with real physical hardware rather than a virtual cockpit. > PS - I have done no legal racing but I'm sure the real thing is a far > bigger blast than simming - there's nothing like REAL danger! :) The real thing is definitely a lot of fun. If it weren't, people wouldn't go to all the trouble and expense to do it. But after racing a while at one level, and lacking the budget to go to the next level, most people will drop out after a few years. The novelty and excitement wears off and it becomes more like a job. The track time is still a blast, but it's a diminishing return compared to the time and effort it requires just to be there. Like someone else said, once marriage and kids enters the picture it gets very hard to keep up with the work load. As for me, I'm back to race sims and loving it! I honestly get as wound up from a good online race as I ever did a real kart race. I was actually a lot more comfortable and calm racing karts. Though the fact is, if simming means a 19" CRT and a $50 spring loaded steering wheel, I'm not interested anymore. That was OK in 1998, but ten years later it takes more to get me into it. A wide angle display system, good FF (G25 or better), and seat G-Force feedback put me back into the game. Pat Dotson http://www.ultraforcesim.com

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:52:39 -0400, Larry wrote:

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> > Oh well. Even after 20 years, I'm still confident that if the little green > martians came down with their ray-guns, and I had to escape Las Vegas in a > Cessna 152-2 I could still get the job done :) > > Assuming I didn't have any Slim Whitman CD's lying around, which I ASSURE > you I would not.

Just ask your friendly Bavarian exchange student to come along for the ride, and you won't even need those CD's ;-) Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In case someone (probably everyone) missed the tie-in, there was a movie called "Mars Attacks" that was really quite funny. They discovered they could make their heads explode by playing Slim Whitman LOL -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:52:39 -0400, Larry wrote: > >> >> Oh well. Even after 20 years, I'm still confident that if the little >> green >> martians came down with their ray-guns, and I had to escape Las Vegas in >> a >> Cessna 152-2 I could still get the job done :) >> >> Assuming I didn't have any Slim Whitman CD's lying around, which I ASSURE >> you I would not. > > Just ask your friendly Bavarian exchange student to come along for the > ride, and you won't even need those CD's ;-) > > Cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61