NR 2003 crashes XP

Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I run it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever seen that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and restarted. Stuff, in case it matters: P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled Asus P4P800 motherboard 512 meg dual channel DDR 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 Analog Devices onboard sound Logitech Momo Racing wheel I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next step, since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before I do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a fix. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:36:29 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I run >it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No >amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn >hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever seen >that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me >the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and >restarted. >

I get occasional boughts of crackling too with Win2000 and C-Media onboard sound. Andrew.

I had this same problem, it would usually crash when I was entering or exiting a race. I also didnt reinstall it after some hardware upgrades. I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and now it works fine. Try reinstalling it. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:36:29 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I run >it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No >amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn >hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever seen >that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me >the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and >restarted. > >Stuff, in case it matters: > >P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled >Asus P4P800 motherboard >512 meg dual channel DDR >128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 >Analog Devices onboard sound >Logitech Momo Racing wheel > >I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next step, >since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before I >do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a fix. >Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > >

I have the same problem. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I run > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever seen > that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me > the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and > restarted. > > Stuff, in case it matters: > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled

I also have this > Asus P4P800 motherboard and this > 512 meg dual channel DDR 1024 DDR > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 I have a 128 mb 4600 > Analog Devices onboard sound onboard sound as well > Logitech Momo Racing wheel I also have this. Obviously theres a conflict somewhere as we have very similar systems and are having the same problem. -- Steve "They say a glass of wine makes you live longer but there's a drawback with that, the French drink it"" Guvnor.

Haq, when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with the new components? when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROM in , boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in 98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates, etc...) Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on how many things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should either fresh install XP, or try the rebuild XP install... if nothing else the main chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma and allthat their own way... Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before. even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing the format & the fresh install... (tech TV had a big thing about doing what you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BEST off to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada... "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If Irun > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have everseen > that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gaveme

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> the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and > restarted. > > Stuff, in case it matters: > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled > Asus P4P800 motherboard > 512 meg dual channel DDR > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 > Analog Devices onboard sound > Logitech Momo Racing wheel > > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next step, > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before

I > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of afix. > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > > >

It sounds like a sound card driver problem to me. I had a similar problem with GPL with some of the Turtle Beach beta drivers. That is the only time I crashed XP myself. In NR2003 if I run 3d sound I get no sounds at all. Papy programs have always been a PITA when it comes to sound. Remember that sound setup program with the older games? Just the thought of it still scares me. :lol: MadDAWG

After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I reinstalled over the top of the old version. Then yes I also had to reinstall all drivers. Had to redo a bunch of system settings too, although surprisingly it kept quite a few of them, if it hadn't been for that it would have looked like a clean install. Anyway this is the only real problem I have had since then. On boad sound works fine in other games, including Battlefield 1942 which is really finicky about sound cards. Video works fine, hyperthreading is enabled and appears to be working correctly, etc. Anyway elsewhere in this thread Sockpuppet said he fixed a similar problem by reinstalling NR 2003 so I guess I will try that. Although I think maybe first I will try backing up and removing the .ini files to see if that is good enough. I remember fixing NR 2002 once by doing that. "Mitch Wing (sting32)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Haq, > > when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with > the new components? when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROMin > , boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in > 98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in > the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that > they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates, > etc...) Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on howmany > things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should eitherfresh > install XP, or try the rebuild XP install... if nothing else the main > chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma andallthat > their own way... > > Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a > couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before. > even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing > the format & the fresh install... (tech TV had a big thing about doingwhat > you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BESToff

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> to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada... > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I > run > > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling.

No > > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn > > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever > seen > > that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system,gave > me > > the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to diskand

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> > restarted. > > > > Stuff, in case it matters: > > > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled > > Asus P4P800 motherboard > > 512 meg dual channel DDR > > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 > > Analog Devices onboard sound > > Logitech Momo Racing wheel > > > > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next

step, > > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, butbefore

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> I > > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a > fix. > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > > > > > > > > >

I have the same problem: A friend bought a new PC with XP. Installed NR 2003 - system reset (not even blue screen). This was with DX8.1 and a GF4 MX440. Re-installed NR2003 - same thing. Later he installed a Radeon 9700 Pro and DX 9.0b - same thing. Tried Open GL - same thing, installed all XP updates - same thing. All other apps run fine. In my friend's case, I am now sure its either a HW thing (memory most likely) or a sound card problem... JG "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If Irun > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have everseen > that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gaveme

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> the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and > restarted. > > Stuff, in case it matters: > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled > Asus P4P800 motherboard > 512 meg dual channel DDR > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 > Analog Devices onboard sound > Logitech Momo Racing wheel > > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next step, > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before

I > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of afix. > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > > >

WHy would you even fart around? Backup any mods you may have made to NR2003, and re-install the thing. Sometimes it seems people are willing to spend far more time and trouble tinkering than just re-installing it and being done with it. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I > reinstalled over the top of the old version. Then yes I also had to > reinstall all drivers. Had to redo a bunch of system settings too, although > surprisingly it kept quite a few of them, if it hadn't been for that it > would have looked like a clean install. Anyway this is the only real > problem I have had since then. On boad sound works fine in other games, > including Battlefield 1942 which is really finicky about sound cards. Video > works fine, hyperthreading is enabled and appears to be working correctly, > etc. > > Anyway elsewhere in this thread Sockpuppet said he fixed a similar problem > by reinstalling NR 2003 so I guess I will try that. Although I think maybe > first I will try backing up and removing the .ini files to see if that is > good enough. I remember fixing NR 2002 once by doing that. > > > "Mitch Wing (sting32)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Haq, > > > > when you put in the new processor & MObo, how did you get XP to deal with > > the new components? when I did this I at least had to have the XP CDROM > in > > , boot from it, and did a "reinstall" (what we used to call Fix install in > > 98, you didn't wipe the HD) where it just completely reinstalls the os in > > the dir it was, then I also had to reinstall many apps & drivers, so that > > they would work (NVIDIA, MSWheel, office, ICQ, all of the XP-updates, > > etc...) Im thinking that there are probably enough differences on how > many > > things worked from old MOBO to the new, that you really should either > fresh > > install XP, or try the rebuild XP install... if nothing else the main > > chipset has probably changed and they like to redirect irq's dma and > allthat > > their own way... > > > > Course that is just me, as I seldom have had luck, with Papy games nor a > > couple other apps, ever working right, after an upgrade in mobo before. > > even though I tried what so many "proclaim" as the way to get around doing > > the format & the fresh install... (tech TV had a big thing about doing > what > > you did back when 98 was the OS, still they urged that you would be BEST > off > > to reinstall from scratch, but said many have gotten by doing yada yada... > > > > > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I > > run > > > it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. > No > > > amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn > > > hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever > > seen > > > that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, > gave > > me > > > the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk > and > > > restarted. > > > > > > Stuff, in case it matters: > > > > > > P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled > > > Asus P4P800 motherboard > > > 512 meg dual channel DDR > > > 128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 > > > Analog Devices onboard sound > > > Logitech Momo Racing wheel > > > > > > I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next > step, > > > since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but > before > > I > > > do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a > > fix. > > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:09:30 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I >reinstalled over the top of the old version. Then yes I also had to >reinstall all drivers. I think you would of been better off just formatting the HD, and doing a clean install of XP. I know it sucks reinstalling all your apps, but in the end it usually saves a lot of headaches. Andy

Because a) I like tinkering, and b) it takes more time to locate and back up all my player records, add-on cars, tracks, etc. than it does to try a few things. Anyway, as it turned out deleting the .ini's didn't help a bit. So I reinstalled NR 2003 and now everything *appears* to be fine. You may now say "I told you so." ;P "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OVbYa.90189$[email hidden]... > WHy would you even fart around? Backup any mods you may have made toNR2003, and re-install the > thing. Sometimes it seems people are willing to spend far more time andtrouble tinkering than just

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> re-installing it and being done with it. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash >

Well this one turned out to be an NR2003 problem, so that means that so far, after about two months of use, I have not yet found anything that is screwed up due to just re-installing XP over the top of the old install. I have had good luck doing that on other machines too. "Andy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:09:30 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >After installing the new proc and mobo XP wouldn't even run, so I > >reinstalled over the top of the old version. Then yes I also had to > >reinstall all drivers. > > I think you would of been better off just formatting the HD, and doing > a clean install of XP. I know it sucks reinstalling all your apps, > but in the end it usually saves a lot of headaches. > Andy

Absolute agreement. Hot-swapping a different motherboard without starting off fresh is false economy. -Larry "Andy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think you would of been better off just formatting the HD, and doing > a clean install of XP. I know it sucks reinstalling all your apps, > but in the end it usually saves a lot of headaches. > Andy

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:14:34 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well this one turned out to be an NR2003 problem, so that means that so far, >after about two months of use, I have not yet found anything that is screwed >up due to just re-installing XP over the top of the old install. I have had >good luck doing that on other machines too. > > While you can have good luck doing it this way you can also end up with a system with a time bomb on it. It usually hits after installing new software or a patch and you end up blaming and trying to fix the newly installed software when the problem is with the Windows install. When you reinstall Windows with new hardware it does not remove the old drivers and conflicts can occur. I suspect you may already experienced this with your N2003 problem.

I had the same problem. Mine was a sound issue. I just turned sound hardware accelaration down one notch and fix the locking up. For some reason though it keeps return to full after reboot. So before I run Nascar 2003 I set it one notch from full.

I have a very similar problem with the same motherboard. I don't get past the opening screen and everything crashes. I have to manually reset in order to reboot. My system: P4 2.8 w/HT Asus P4P800 Deluxe 1024mg DDR 128 FX5600 45.23 Nvidia drivers Just about to re-install NR with this driver set. If you know of a fix, please advise. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:36:29 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Anybody else seen this? I have NR 2003 running in Windows XP Pro. If I run >it with hardware 3D sound it runs okay but I get occasional crackling. No >amount of turning down the volume levels fixes the crackling. If I turn >hardware 3D sound off it crashes XP. This is the first app I have ever seen >that can crash XP. I mean it literally halted the operating system, gave me >the XP blue screen, and then XP dumped all its physical memory to disk and >restarted. > >Stuff, in case it matters: > >P4 2.4C w/ HT enabled >Asus P4P800 motherboard >512 meg dual channel DDR >128 meg GF4 Ti 4200 >Analog Devices onboard sound >Logitech Momo Racing wheel > >I have not yet tried re-installing NR 2003. That's the obvious next step, >since I did not reinstall it after upgrading the mobo and proc, but before I >do that I wanted to see if anybody else had this problem and knew of a fix. >Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > >