F1C Hungaroring

What lap times are you guys getting in F1C Hungaroring? I just spent over 200 laps there (wasted a perfectly good Friday night!) and could not for the life of me get below 1:18. And the 1:18 was with the cheater aids on, with more normal settings (low TC and clutch) the high 1:19's was the best I could do. The AI are running in the 1:16 to 1:18 range. I watched them, wrote down their cornering speeds (pause key is handy for this), and compared it to my telemetry. I couldn't even come close without aids. In particular the car dies in the low speed corners but if I try and add throttle I spin. If I come in as fast as the AI the car pushes, if I add lock the speed drops like a rock, if I add throttle it spins, and if I loosen up the car I can't even get off the brakes without spinning. This is the 2002 McLaren BTW, if that makes any difference. Fiddled around with gears, camber, toe, etc. but could not find a way (without aids) to get through the hairpins at anywhere near the speeds the AI were doing. Weird thing is I was okay with the low speed sections at Silverstone, Nurburgring, and Hockenheim, but here I just can't get it. Any tips for driving, setup, etc. would be welcomed, because I just feel like I must be way off the pace here.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:48:27 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What lap times are you guys getting in F1C Hungaroring? I just spent over >200 laps there (wasted a perfectly good Friday night!) and could not for >the life of me get below 1:18. And the 1:18 was with the cheater aids on, >with more normal settings (low TC and clutch) the high 1:19's was the best I >could do. The AI are running in the 1:16 to 1:18 range. I watched them, >wrote down their cornering speeds (pause key is handy for this), and >compared it to my telemetry. I couldn't even come close without aids. In >particular the car dies in the low speed corners but if I try and add >throttle I spin. If I come in as fast as the AI the car pushes, if I add >lock the speed drops like a rock, if I add throttle it spins, and if I >loosen up the car I can't even get off the brakes without spinning. This is >the 2002 McLaren BTW, if that makes any difference. Fiddled around with >gears, camber, toe, etc. but could not find a way (without aids) to get >through the hairpins at anywhere near the speeds the AI were doing. Weird >thing is I was okay with the low speed sections at Silverstone, Nurburgring, >and Hockenheim, but here I just can't get it. Any tips for driving, setup, >etc. would be welcomed, because I just feel like I must be way off the pace >here.

I'm doing 1:16.5 here, 2002 Ferrari(low TC only). I can't help with your speed much, maybe send me a lap and I'll compare? Forget the AI, they do the same laptimes I do right now, but the rythm they have is nothing like what my car can do. If I run 50 metres behind them I run in the back of them at some point on the track and on other parts they just rocket off in the distance. The AI is totally track dependent(it was much much worse in F1 2002), so their speed can vary wildly from track to track. There were some excellent AI-updates for F1 2002, though, don't remember the name of who made them, but they were really truly great. Hopefully he'll make some for F1C aswell.

Well I just looked through my replays and I couldn't really find one that I would feel comfortable sending. I have a very sloppy 1:19 lap in a Williams which isn't at all representative of the way I am trying to drive the track but is nevertheless somehow the fastest one I got in that car. And I have a 1:19 in the McLaren that was done with aids on and is therefore not really a good one to look at either. I have a telemetry file for a 1:18 aided lap but no replay to go with it. All of my clean, non-aided laps were above 1:20, and I don't have any replays for them. What would really be useful to me, if you wouldn't mind, would be if you could email me both a replay and a telemetry file from one of your laps. Then I could at least get a look at the right line (from your replay) and figure out where I'm slow (from your telemetry). "Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I'm doing 1:16.5 here, 2002 Ferrari(low TC only). I can't help with > your speed much, maybe send me a lap and I'll compare? Forget the AI, > they do the same laptimes I do right now, but the rythm they have is > nothing like what my car can do. If I run 50 metres behind them I run > in the back of them at some point on the track and on other parts they > just rocket off in the distance. The AI is totally track dependent(it > was much much worse in F1 2002), so their speed can vary wildly from > track to track. There were some excellent AI-updates for F1 2002, > though, don't remember the name of who made them, but they were really > truly great. Hopefully he'll make some for F1C aswell. > >

Haqsau wrote: > What lap times are you guys getting in F1C Hungaroring? I just spent > over 200 laps there (wasted a perfectly good Friday night!) and > could not for the life of me get below 1:18. And the 1:18 was with > the cheater aids on, with more normal settings (low TC and clutch) > the high 1:19's was the best I could do. The AI are running in the > 1:16 to 1:18 range. My best is a 1:15.9, but I'm usually in the low to mid 16's (2002 Ferrari with low TC) There's another half a second to be gained, if I could just put all the sectors together ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

As ever it will be 40% set up and 60% your ability. A Team Redline offering normally sorts the setup side out You doing 20 laps correctly will be better than 200 laps incorrectly. Get a replay from an alien,Huttu,Dom Rich Morgan et al. AD

I'm doing low 17s with no aids in the Jag. I do have a replay and telemetry file I'll email to you - only aid on was invincible as I was learning the track at that time ;) Don't be afraid to bin it if its no good - this is only my second modern F1 track since GP2. I'm just trying to return the favour someone did for me at Hockenheim. Regards "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What lap times are you guys getting in F1C Hungaroring? I just spent over > 200 laps there (wasted a perfectly good Friday night!) and could not for > the life of me get below 1:18. And the 1:18 was with the cheater aids on, > with more normal settings (low TC and clutch) the high 1:19's was the bestI

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> could do. The AI are running in the 1:16 to 1:18 range. I watched them, > wrote down their cornering speeds (pause key is handy for this), and > compared it to my telemetry. I couldn't even come close without aids. In > particular the car dies in the low speed corners but if I try and add > throttle I spin. If I come in as fast as the AI the car pushes, if I add > lock the speed drops like a rock, if I add throttle it spins, and if I > loosen up the car I can't even get off the brakes without spinning. This

is > the 2002 McLaren BTW, if that makes any difference. Fiddled around with > gears, camber, toe, etc. but could not find a way (without aids) to get > through the hairpins at anywhere near the speeds the AI were doing. Weird > thing is I was okay with the low speed sections at Silverstone,Nurburgring, > and Hockenheim, but here I just can't get it. Any tips for driving,setup, > etc. would be welcomed, because I just feel like I must be way off thepace > here. > >

What Game is this? I'm looking at buying a new racing game that I haven't looked at before. Peter

F1 Challenge 99-02, published by Electronic Arts. "SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What Game is this? I'm looking at buying a new racing game that I haven't > looked at before. > > Peter > >

Got your email and it's very helpful. The puzzling thing now is that I am using the same line you are but somehow losing a lot more speed in nearly all of the corners. But at least now I have a realistic lap to target. Thanks. "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh2l38$ed2$[email hidden]... > I'm doing low 17s with no aids in the Jag. I do have a replay andtelemetry > file I'll email to you - only aid on was invincible as I was learning the > track at that time ;) > > Don't be afraid to bin it if its no good - this is only my second modernF1 > track since GP2. I'm just trying to return the favour someone did for meat > Hockenheim. > > Regards >

Thank's for the info. After I had asked I did a Find in OE and came up with alot of posts on it. I'm going to Electronics Boutique now and pick it up. I have a instore credit I can use. Peter

In article <bh2e8b$tpn$[email hidden]>, "Aidee" <[email hidden]> writes: >You doing 20 laps correctly will be better than 200 laps incorrectly. What do you consider 'correctly'? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred my dear fellow... I was merely pertaining to the need of correct line and braking points. Added to a very good setup you feel you can then put the laps in and get to your own peak. This before you ask is in comparison to Huttu's peak which is bigger than Everest. AD

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> In article <bh2e8b$tpn$[email hidden]>, "Aidee" > <[email hidden]> writes: > >>You doing 20 laps correctly will be better than 200 laps incorrectly. > > What do you consider 'correctly'? > > Eldred

That's easy, if you come back with all 4 tires and all the wings and haven't killed or maimed any of the virtual spectaors/track marshalls, then you have correctly completed a lap. hmmm would 3 outta 4 count as correct? dave henrie

Okay I still need some help. I studied the stuff that you and Neil sent me (thanks again guys) and it definitely helped, I can now run a clean 1:19 without aids. Still not very good, but an improvement over yesterday. Primary place I am losing time is turn 4. I have no idea how you guys are getting through turn 4 so fast. You both are going through there at about 200 kph, I can't get within 15 kph of that speed without going wide. I have tried quite a few things with setup but I don't really think that's it, there is something in your line or car control or something that I am not getting. Any hints? "Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I'm doing 1:16.5 here, 2002 Ferrari(low TC only). I can't help with > your speed much, maybe send me a lap and I'll compare? Forget the AI, > they do the same laptimes I do right now, but the rythm they have is > nothing like what my car can do. If I run 50 metres behind them I run > in the back of them at some point on the track and on other parts they > just rocket off in the distance. The AI is totally track dependent(it > was much much worse in F1 2002), so their speed can vary wildly from > track to track. There were some excellent AI-updates for F1 2002, > though, don't remember the name of who made them, but they were really > truly great. Hopefully he'll make some for F1C aswell. > >

All I can really say is how the turn feels to me: Coming up the hill I'm on the far left and then I cut across so that just before the turn I'm on the far right and parallel with the kerb. I then give a sharp dab of the brakes and clatter down 3 gears almost at once. I aim to keep just the two outside wheels on the tarmac. At the apex, revs are still high and I feed more throttle quickly but smoothly. The amount I feed in depends on how well I set up the turn - too wide and I feed less in and vice-versa. The aim id to be on full acceleration over the outside rumble strip without touching the grass. Check your setup allows a really sharp turn in with a very quick chassis set to get the power back on. Probably didn't help much but in truth I think this is one of the more 'instinctive' turns on the track. Regards "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Okay I still need some help. I studied the stuff that you and Neil sentme > (thanks again guys) and it definitely helped, I can now run a clean 1:19 > without aids. Still not very good, but an improvement over yesterday. > Primary place I am losing time is turn 4. I have no idea how you guys are > getting through turn 4 so fast. You both are going through there at about > 200 kph, I can't get within 15 kph of that speed without going wide. Ihave

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> tried quite a few things with setup but I don't really think that's it, > there is something in your line or car control or something that I am not > getting. Any hints? > > > "Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I'm doing 1:16.5 here, 2002 Ferrari(low TC only). I can't help with > > your speed much, maybe send me a lap and I'll compare? Forget the AI, > > they do the same laptimes I do right now, but the rythm they have is > > nothing like what my car can do. If I run 50 metres behind them I run > > in the back of them at some point on the track and on other parts they > > just rocket off in the distance. The AI is totally track dependent(it > > was much much worse in F1 2002), so their speed can vary wildly from > > track to track. There were some excellent AI-updates for F1 2002, > > though, don't remember the name of who made them, but they were really > > truly great. Hopefully he'll make some for F1C aswell. > > > > > >

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:07:00 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Okay I still need some help. I studied the stuff that you and Neil sent me >(thanks again guys) and it definitely helped, I can now run a clean 1:19 >without aids. Still not very good, but an improvement over yesterday. >Primary place I am losing time is turn 4. I have no idea how you guys are >getting through turn 4 so fast. You both are going through there at about >200 kph, I can't get within 15 kph of that speed without going wide. I have >tried quite a few things with setup but I don't really think that's it, >there is something in your line or car control or something that I am not >getting. Any hints?

I think the throttle is the key. Even with just 20% differential lockup the car pushes a fair bit in fast corners with the throttle on. At a fast corner turn-in I try to control the push with the throttle, first I lift quite a bit to get the car to the apex, stabilise the gas mid corner, and then mash to push the car out to the kerb. Pretty basic stuff, but it's pretty much the opposite of what you do in GPL, isn't it? At least I how I drove GPL.

I just hit 1.18.0xx this morning with only low tc and clutch. I've notice though that hungaroring GP4 conversion is a much better driving experience and from people's comments i've gathered it is modeled alot better than the one from EA, primarily due to their use of GPS data from the real tracks. I had much more fun and could do easily 1.15.6xx. I feel i can still manage to cut off at least 1.5sec from the F1C track. Downloaded a vcr replay from someone who did a 1.15.6xx (no aids) from f1rst hotlapping, but noticed he runs to much on grass which imho is cheating. Go figure. It would be nice though that i could compare telemetry with others, but have yet to find where to dowload it from. It's still nice though to be able to see the replay files from hotlaps in f1rst. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> What lap times are you guys getting in F1C Hungaroring? I just spent over > 200 laps there (wasted a perfectly good Friday night!) and could not for > the life of me get below 1:18. And the 1:18 was with the cheater aids on, > with more normal settings (low TC and clutch) the high 1:19's was the best I > could do. The AI are running in the 1:16 to 1:18 range. I watched them, > wrote down their cornering speeds (pause key is handy for this), and > compared it to my telemetry. I couldn't even come close without aids. In > particular the car dies in the low speed corners but if I try and add > throttle I spin. If I come in as fast as the AI the car pushes, if I add > lock the speed drops like a rock, if I add throttle it spins, and if I > loosen up the car I can't even get off the brakes without spinning. This is > the 2002 McLaren BTW, if that makes any difference. Fiddled around with > gears, camber, toe, etc. but could not find a way (without aids) to get > through the hairpins at anywhere near the speeds the AI were doing. Weird > thing is I was okay with the low speed sections at Silverstone, Nurburgring, > and Hockenheim, but here I just can't get it. Any tips for driving, setup, > etc. would be welcomed, because I just feel like I must be way off the pace > here.

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> I just hit 1.18.0xx this morning with only low tc and clutch. I've > notice though that hungaroring GP4 conversion is a much better driving > experience and from people's comments i've gathered it is modeled alot > better than the one from EA, primarily due to their use of GPS data > from the real tracks. I had much more fun and could do easily > 1.15.6xx. I feel i can still manage to cut off at least 1.5sec from > the F1C track. Downloaded a vcr replay from someone who did a 1.15.6xx > (no aids) from f1rst hotlapping, but noticed he runs to much on grass > which imho is cheating. Go figure. > > It would be nice though that i could compare telemetry with others, > but have yet to find where to dowload it from. It's still nice though > to be able to see the replay files from hotlaps in f1rst. >

I have uploaded a replay and setup of my 1:15.6xx using low TC if that's any help. http://www.iparker.plus.com/F1C/ -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

Great setup Ian. Thank you! The gearing was a tad tall for me and Im thinkin about maybe stiffining the springs a tad as well. Them kerbs are still kinda rough :) I heading out to holiday at Yosemite till friday so Ill watch the replay when I return. Thanks again. Mitch "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > I have uploaded a replay and setup of my 1:15.6xx using low TC if that'sany

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> help. > http://www.iparker.plus.com/F1C/ > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spammers> > > > >

Where can Hungaroring GP4 conversion be found? On 12 Aug 2003 13:29:20 -0700, [email hidden] (Guz) wrote: >I just hit 1.18.0xx this morning with only low tc and clutch. I've >notice though that hungaroring GP4 conversion is a much better driving >experience and from people's comments i've gathered it is modeled alot >better than the one from EA, primarily due to their use of GPS data >from the real tracks.

You might try here. http://f1hq.racesimcentral.com/site/page.php?pagina=3.php&titel=t3#h There is a link for Hungary01 which I believe is the track they are talking about. I have not tried it myself, so I'm not sure if it works in F1C. Peter "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Where can Hungaroring GP4 conversion be found? > > On 12 Aug 2003 13:29:20 -0700, [email hidden] (Guz) wrote: > > >I just hit 1.18.0xx this morning with only low tc and clutch. I've > >notice though that hungaroring GP4 conversion is a much better driving > >experience and from people's comments i've gathered it is modeled alot > >better than the one from EA, primarily due to their use of GPS data > >from the real tracks.

http://f1hq.racesimcentral.com/site/files/Hungary01.zip There is a guide somewhere in http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forum/viewforum.php?f=61&sid=72fd8d35374b949 343658e3f0659747e where they tell you how to make that track work in F1C, matter of fact any f12k2 track. Use the search function in high gear forums. "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Where can Hungaroring GP4 conversion be found? > > On 12 Aug 2003 13:29:20 -0700, [email hidden] (Guz) wrote: > > >I just hit 1.18.0xx this morning with only low tc and clutch. I've > >notice though that hungaroring GP4 conversion is a much better driving > >experience and from people's comments i've gathered it is modeled alot > >better than the one from EA, primarily due to their use of GPS data > >from the real tracks.