F12002 vs F1C - Very Distressed

I am the proud owner of F12002 and personally I love it. It really brings out the racer in me when I'm doing a 20-lapper of Silverstone or Nurburgring against ten other guys I don't know who are just as eager to shove me off the track and claim the win for themselves :) I bought F1C, the "successor" to F12002, today. Perhaps it's just me, but I was extremely disappointed with the game. I did a Test Run on Silverstone just to see how it was, and I found the following: 1. Engine sounds seem very, very muted compared to F1 2002. 2. I noticed I now have to brake going into Stowe and the last turn in the Becketts complex where previously I could lift the gas and cruise through on F1 2002. I'm not sure which version of the game is right/wrong/whatever, but it's annoying. :( 3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002. My system is well above the recommended standards for both games (2.53GHz/1GigRAM/G4Ti4600) yet I'm feeling really dissatisfied with F1C so far in comparison to F12002. I'm just looking for discussions here. If you feel the same way or you want to persuade me that F1C is better, I'm willing to listen to both, but at this moment in time I feel like I'm going to bring the game back to the store. Cheers, J.R.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:35:49 +0800, "J.R." <[email hidden]> wrote: >3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second >delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being >done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002. >That has been discussed here at length before. groups.google.com will help you find the solution. Andrew.

> That has been discussed here at length before. groups.google.com will > help you find the solution. > > Andrew. Thank you, that's fixed, which is something I guess :/ J.R>

I too found the same thing, however in reverse. I had driven Grand Prix Legends first and then F1C and they seemed very similar in physics and realism. I suppose this is because Doug Arnao had his hands in both. I'm used to and like that loose feeling. If burping the throttle too soon in a turn spins you, then I'm happy. I love wheel and throttle response. : ) To me, F12K2 is too tight and in my opinion arcadish in it's feel. The only bad thing that I see at the moment for F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and challenge, I prefer F1C. Peter "J.R." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh8d4l$[email hidden]... > I am the proud owner of F12002 and personally I love it. It really brings > out the racer in me when I'm doing a 20-lapper of Silverstone orNurburgring > against ten other guys I don't know who are just as eager to shove me off > the track and claim the win for themselves :) > > I bought F1C, the "successor" to F12002, today. Perhaps it's just me, butI

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> was extremely disappointed with the game. I did a Test Run on Silverstone > just to see how it was, and I found the following: > > 1. Engine sounds seem very, very muted compared to F1 2002. > > 2. I noticed I now have to brake going into Stowe and the last turn in the > Becketts complex where previously I could lift the gas and cruise through

on > F1 2002. I'm not sure which version of the game is right/wrong/whatever,but

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> it's annoying. :( > > 3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second > delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being > done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002. > > My system is well above the recommended standards for both games > (2.53GHz/1GigRAM/G4Ti4600) yet I'm feeling really dissatisfied with F1C so > far in comparison to F12002. > > I'm just looking for discussions here. If you feel the same way or you

want

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> to persuade me that F1C is better, I'm willing to listen to both, but at > this moment in time I feel like I'm going to bring the game back to the > store. > > Cheers, > J.R. > >

"SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: The only bad thing that I see at the moment for

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> F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and > challenge, I prefer F1C. > > Peter >

The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or more realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in 2k2, then I would guess that should be a good thing. The online capability for C should also be better although I have found a few issues already. Most tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and more you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to hack the C track to enable it for 2k2. Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and once they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and variable track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2 will really begin to be evident. The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All over the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low price. (dave)the beancounter(henrie)

So where did you find it for 19.99. The Best BUY web site still shows it at 39.99. -- Chad Pierce [email hidden] "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > The only bad thing that I see at the moment for > > F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are > > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with > > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and > > challenge, I prefer F1C. > > > > Peter > > > The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or more > realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in 2k2, > then I would guess that should be a good thing. The online capability for > C should also be better although I have found a few issues already. Most > tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and more > you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to hack > the C track to enable it for 2k2. > Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and once > they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and variable > track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2 > will really begin to be evident. > The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All over > the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid > more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low price. > (dave)the beancounter(henrie) >

I got F1C for 19.99 at Electronics Boutique and I got F12K2 for 13.99 at Circuit City. All this past weekend. Peter "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> So where did you find it for 19.99. > The Best BUY web site still shows it at 39.99. > -- > Chad Pierce > [email hidden] > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:[email hidden]: > > > > The only bad thing that I see at the moment for > > > F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2 are > > > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with > > > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and > > > challenge, I prefer F1C. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or

more > > realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in2k2, > > then I would guess that should be a good thing. The online capabilityfor > > C should also be better although I have found a few issues already.Most > > tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more andmore > > you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having tohack

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> > the C track to enable it for 2k2. > > Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and > once > > they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and > variable > > track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and 2k2 > > will really begin to be evident. > > The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All

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> > the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid > > more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low > price. > > (dave)the beancounter(henrie) > > > >

When I first tried F1C it left me a little unsatisfied too. But I got some good advice from this group on how to fix some things, I stuck with it, and now I not only do not play F1 2002 I don't even play any of the F1 2002 mods any more. It's just really good once you get it set up and working properly. Primary differences are that the physics are much more true-to-life now, and the setups are quite a bit different than before. The tire model has more traction but is somewhat less forgiving, and the downforce has been reduced significantly. You will have to actually take turns at realistic speeds now. Also the setups are just not right for me. They may be very fast in Doug Arnao's hands, but I'm no Doug Arnao. So I had to spend some time learning realistic lines and cornering speeds, and I had to work up my own setups before I really felt comfortable with it. But now I love it and hardly play any other sims. Regarding the engine sounds being muted, which view do you drive from? It sounds fine in the cockpit view, but is perhaps a bit muted from the TV cockpit view. Also there are player file tweaks to turn up the traction control sound, if you are so inclined. "J.R." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh8d4l$[email hidden]... > I am the proud owner of F12002 and personally I love it. It really brings > out the racer in me when I'm doing a 20-lapper of Silverstone orNurburgring > against ten other guys I don't know who are just as eager to shove me off > the track and claim the win for themselves :) > > I bought F1C, the "successor" to F12002, today. Perhaps it's just me, butI

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> was extremely disappointed with the game. I did a Test Run on Silverstone > just to see how it was, and I found the following: > > 1. Engine sounds seem very, very muted compared to F1 2002. > > 2. I noticed I now have to brake going into Stowe and the last turn in the > Becketts complex where previously I could lift the gas and cruise through

on > F1 2002. I'm not sure which version of the game is right/wrong/whatever,but

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> it's annoying. :( > > 3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second > delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being > done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002. > > My system is well above the recommended standards for both games > (2.53GHz/1GigRAM/G4Ti4600) yet I'm feeling really dissatisfied with F1C so > far in comparison to F12002. > > I'm just looking for discussions here. If you feel the same way or you

want

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> to persuade me that F1C is better, I'm willing to listen to both, but at > this moment in time I feel like I'm going to bring the game back to the > store. > > Cheers, > J.R. > >

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:45:21 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >turns at realistic speeds now. Also the setups are just not right for me. >They may be very fast in Doug Arnao's hands, but I'm no Doug Arnao. After driving my own setups for the last couple months, I tried going back to the defaults and it was incredibly odd. I couldn't do half a lap without feeling nauseous from all the suspension travel and/or looping the car a dozen times. Jason

Hey it's only 19.95. What were you expecting over 2002? "J.R." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh8d4l$[email hidden]... > I am the proud owner of F12002 and personally I love it. It really brings > out the racer in me when I'm doing a 20-lapper of Silverstone orNurburgring > against ten other guys I don't know who are just as eager to shove me off > the track and claim the win for themselves :) > > I bought F1C, the "successor" to F12002, today. Perhaps it's just me, butI

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> was extremely disappointed with the game. I did a Test Run on Silverstone > just to see how it was, and I found the following: > > 1. Engine sounds seem very, very muted compared to F1 2002. > > 2. I noticed I now have to brake going into Stowe and the last turn in the > Becketts complex where previously I could lift the gas and cruise through

on > F1 2002. I'm not sure which version of the game is right/wrong/whatever,but

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> it's annoying. :( > > 3. My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (Red) seems to have a 0.3 second > delay between me inputting a command (turning, braking, etc.) and it being > done in the game, whereas I didn't have this problem with F1 2002. > > My system is well above the recommended standards for both games > (2.53GHz/1GigRAM/G4Ti4600) yet I'm feeling really dissatisfied with F1C so > far in comparison to F12002. > > I'm just looking for discussions here. If you feel the same way or you

want

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> to persuade me that F1C is better, I'm willing to listen to both, but at > this moment in time I feel like I'm going to bring the game back to the > store. > > Cheers, > J.R. > >

Hey Jason would ya mind sharing a setup for Hungary? Maybe even a few pointers, things you change first second etc. I cant get under a 21 to save my life. Sadly Ive turned more practice laps here than any other track :) Ive searched but havent found to many setups for F1C. Team Redline has a few but still kinda sparse. TIA Mitch n a m a n at pacbell dot net. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:45:21 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >turns at realistic speeds now. Also the setups are just not right forme.

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> >They may be very fast in Doug Arnao's hands, but I'm no Doug Arnao. > > After driving my own setups for the last couple months, I tried going > back to the defaults and it was incredibly odd. I couldn't do half a > lap without feeling nauseous from all the suspension travel and/or > looping the car a dozen times. > > Jason

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:28:52 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey Jason would ya mind sharing a setup for Hungary? Maybe even a few >pointers, things you change first second etc. I cant get under a 21 to save >my life. Sadly Ive turned more practice laps here than any other track :) > >Ive searched but havent found to many setups for F1C. Team Redline has a >few but still kinda sparse. Well, I'm a slowbie, so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight d.) tight and e.) tight. If you can deal with that then you're welcome to them, I'll try and whip something up for Hungary (haven't even done a lap yet, but I use basically the same setup everywhere with minor tweaks). Jason

I'd appreciate it, thanks! I like the idea of a universal stable setup for sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the trick. Thanks bud. remove the nospam "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Well, I'm a slowbie, so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight > d.) tight and e.) tight. If you can deal with that then you're > welcome to them, I'll try and whip something up for Hungary (haven't > even done a lap yet, but I use basically the same setup everywhere > with minor tweaks). > > Jason

If you want universal setups why dont you just start with the default grip setups for each circuit? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O%8_a.58$[email hidden]... > I'd appreciate it, thanks! I like the idea of a universal stable setup for > sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the > trick. Thanks bud. > > remove the nospam > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Well, I'm a slowbie, > so my setups are a.) tight b.) stable c.) tight > > d.) tight and e.) tight. If you can deal with that then you're > > welcome to them, I'll try and whip something up for Hungary (haven't > > even done a lap yet, but I use basically the same setup everywhere > > with minor tweaks). > > > > Jason > >

It must be me :) I can get consistent 1.22's using the default Hungary setup but obviously this isnt going to cut it competing against 1.16's. My thinking is a "better" baseline setup than default would at least give me something to compare to the defaults. On another F1 note can anyone point me in a direction for a F1C setup guide? Mitch "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cK9_a.98073$[email hidden]... > If you want universal setups why dont you just start with the default gripsetups for each circuit? > -- > Biz >

Check out Heppies Guide. http://www.kiwisim.net.nz/staticpages/index.php?page=20030703210404874 Peter > On another F1 note can anyone point me in a direction for a F1C setupguide? > > Mitch

Check out Heppies Guide. http://www.kiwisim.net.nz/staticpages/index.php?page=20030703210404874 Peter

Thats what I needed six. I had just given up even getting near a curb :) This guide helped me knock over 2 secs off my PB in just a few laps (didnt realize how bad the default setups actually are till now). Now I can tweak and have an idea what Im doing. The one place this guide fails though is in the dampers. Any help on what the different damps do on the track? Thanks Mitch "sixeastmain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Check out Heppies Guide. > http://www.kiwisim.net.nz/staticpages/index.php?page=20030703210404874 > > Peter > > > On another F1 note can anyone point me in a direction for a F1C setup > guide? > > > > Mitch > >

If you can still find it somewhere (or maybe you already have it) read Arnao's GTR physics guide, it's a .pdf file that has a short but very thorough section on damper settings. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%fc_a.1027$[email hidden]...

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> > The one place this guide fails though is in > the dampers. Any help on what the different damps do on the track? > Thanks > > Mitch >

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:57:18 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'd appreciate it, thanks! I like the idea of a universal stable setup for >sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the >trick. Thanks bud. What chassis do you drive? Jason

In message <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:57:18 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'd appreciate it, thanks! I like the idea of a universal stable setupfor > >sure, I really dont know where to start so a baseline setup should do the > >trick. Thanks bud. > > What chassis do you drive? > > Jason Ferrari. BTW I pulled or was sent a setup (info overload) but I believe its Ian test setup. Anyway within 10 laps I hit 1.18 (before today pb was 1.22+). OMFG I can�t believe how nice it drives at these speeds. Now I have something to work with. Thanks so much guys! Mitch -- Posted with Ink Spot (for PocketPC) from DejaVu Software, Inc. Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/

Try Here: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/guide/89 Peter "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If you can still find it somewhere (or maybe you already have it) read > Arnao's GTR physics guide, it's a .pdf file that has a short but very > thorough section on damper settings. > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%fc_a.1027$[email hidden]... > > > > The one place this guide fails though is in > > the dampers. Any help on what the different damps do on the track? > > Thanks > > > > Mitch > > > >

You can get the pdf GTR 2002 version at my site. www.sixeastmain.com/racing/gtr2002physics.pdf Peter "sixeastmain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f398779$[email hidden]...

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> Try Here: > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/guide/89 > > Peter > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If you can still find it somewhere (or maybe you already have it) read > > Arnao's GTR physics guide, it's a .pdf file that has a short but very > > thorough section on damper settings. > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%fc_a.1027$[email hidden]... > > > > > > The one place this guide fails though is in > > > the dampers. Any help on what the different damps do on the track? > > > Thanks > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > >

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:33:51 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >BTW I pulled or was sent a setup (info overload) but I believe its Ian test >setup. Anyway within 10 laps I hit 1.18 (before today pb was 1.22+). OMFG >I can�t believe how nice it drives at these speeds. Now I have something >to work with. I did a dozen laps in the Minardi with my default seutp and am getting near 1:19. I'll actually sit down and figure out the line and tweak it some and post it tommorrow. The left hand part of the chicane is ridiculous kerb-wise, I may actually have to tweak the dampers so it's rideable (I have the car setup to be pushy as hell on kerbs so when you hit one that's that obnoxious it tends to throw the car straight which doesn't seem to be a good idea at that particular turn). Jason

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> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:33:51 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>BTW I pulled or was sent a setup (info overload) but I believe its Ian >>test setup. Anyway within 10 laps I hit 1.18 (before today pb was >>1.22+). OMFG I can�t believe how nice it drives at these speeds. Now >>I have something to work with. > > I did a dozen laps in the Minardi with my default seutp and am getting > near 1:19. I'll actually sit down and figure out the line and tweak > it some and post it tommorrow. The left hand part of the chicane is > ridiculous kerb-wise, I may actually have to tweak the dampers so it's > rideable (I have the car setup to be pushy as hell on kerbs so when > you hit one that's that obnoxious it tends to throw the car straight > which doesn't seem to be a good idea at that particular turn). > > Jason >

Heheh can you both email those to [email hidden]? I'm going offline in about 15 minutes and won't be back on Broadband til further notice...we are just about done selling our house the dang agents keep screwing it up... dave henrie

Why did you buy both?!? "SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f382a8b$[email hidden]...

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> I got F1C for 19.99 at Electronics Boutique and I got F12K2 for 13.99 at > Circuit City. All this past weekend. > > Peter > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So where did you find it for 19.99. > > The Best BUY web site still shows it at 39.99. > > -- > > Chad Pierce > > [email hidden] > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "SixEastMain" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > > The only bad thing that I see at the moment for > > > > F1C is that not many of the excellent mods that came out for F12K2

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> > > > available for it. Also, I believe that the community burned out with > > > > it. I prefer F12002 for that reason. For driving realism and > > > > challenge, I prefer F1C. > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > The mods for F1 C will come, the physics are 'probably' better or > more > > > realistic in F1 C so if you can't do something in C that you could in > 2k2, > > > then I would guess that should be a good thing. The online capability > for > > > C should also be better although I have found a few issues already. > Most > > > tracks right now are being released for both C and 2k2, but more and > more > > > you will see the C tracks either released first or somebody having to > hack > > > the C track to enable it for 2k2. > > > Once the modders get a handle on the increased physics options, and > > once > > > they enable some of the hidden features, like onboard starters and > > variable > > > track enviroment lighting, then I think the difference between C and

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> > > will really begin to be evident. > > > The real question about F1 C is how much did you pay for it...All > over > > > the country the price had dropped to $19 <USA dollars> so if you paid > > > more...try and take it back...then re-buy it elswhere at the new low > > price. > > > (dave)the beancounter(henrie) > > > > > > > > >

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Why not? At that price who could turn it down? Besides, most of the mods out right now are for F12002 and I was wanting to play the GTR2002 mod for the GT cars. Peter "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Why did you buy both?!?