Nascar 2002 = slow, Nascar 4 = fast?

I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer servers on Sierra.com :(

For awhile, I was playing N2003 on a 1.4ghz with a Geforce 3 Ti200 and it ran perfectly.. if that gives you any indication "Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little > bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean > ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar > 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), > but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that > dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. > > I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent > performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with > a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is > I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer > servers on Sierra.com :(

"Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little > bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean > ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar > 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), > but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that > dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. > > I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent > performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with > a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is > I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer > servers on Sierra.com :(

I currently run NR2003 on an old 1.33Ghz AMD and a GF 3. It runs pretty much like N4 and 2002 on the same system. I run mine in 1024x768 as well, though I don't run everything maxxed out. The image I see is pretty good, and with less than everything turned on (but not too watered down of settings) yeilds me between 75-100 FPS most everywhere, with cars racing around me. In N4, I could run most everything turned on (about like now, no skid marks or steering wheel and some extraneous trackside objects turned off) and I did considerably more than 85 FPS. Maybe there are some driver or setup issues in play on your system as I imagine that Ti500 is superior to my plain vanilla GF3.

I'm running a XP2100+ o/c to 2400 actual and a GF3 at 250/560. N2002 in Open GL(slightly better fps) at 1280x960 32 bit,100% draw dist, most everything on except reflections and anisotropy(that's a killer) and 2xFSAA.With this and a 30 car field( 31 drawn ahead,6 behind) i get around 45-50 fps at the back of a standing grid at Watkins,drops to around 35 ish with any anisotropy settings enabled. Have you patched to 1.1.0.2 -- -- Steve H Epox 8RDA+ v1.1,Vdd mod XP2100B at 2400(12x200)1.8V DIY watercool(all copper) GF3 at 250/560 det 43.45 "Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little > bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean > ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar > 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), > but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that > dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. > > I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent > performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with > a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is > I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer > servers on Sierra.com :(

Another place where my post just didnt go? if it shows up, srry. IIRC, About the differences from 03 to N4... If you didn't tweak anything, IIRC, N4 turned on less "eyecandy/frame hitting options" by default. by NR2003 many of these options were combined, where you could "off, med, high" these things as a group of gfx not individuals... Also 02 & 03 began to get serious hits for sound card performance, and for default (read as control panel) settings for GFX cards as well... I ran n4-2003 on a p2-1000mhz, with gf2 MX 32 meg card. seems I had much better frames than you, but I know I played with settings and things till I had enough gfx goodies and keep my frame rates high. Take the search engine "google" and search this group for posts about settings and tweaking (separately if needed) geforce and NR 03 (NR4) there was a lot of help back when... This NG, doesn't have an official faq, just 'google' through the older posts... "Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little > bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean > ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar > 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), > but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that > dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. > > I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent > performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with > a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is > I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer > servers on Sierra.com :(

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:49:12 GMT, "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little >> bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean >> ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar >> 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), >> but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that >> dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. >> >> I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent >> performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with >> a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is >> I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer >> servers on Sierra.com :( > >I currently run NR2003 on an old 1.33Ghz AMD and a GF 3. It runs pretty much >like N4 and 2002 on the same system. I run mine in 1024x768 as well, though >I don't run everything maxxed out. The image I see is pretty good, and with >less than everything turned on (but not too watered down of settings) yeilds >me between 75-100 FPS most everywhere, with cars racing around me. > >In N4, I could run most everything turned on (about like now, no skid marks >or steering wheel and some extraneous trackside objects turned off) and I >did considerably more than 85 FPS. Maybe there are some driver or setup >issues in play on your system as I imagine that Ti500 is superior to my >plain vanilla GF3. >

It's pegged at 85 because I have vsync enabled. Well cheers everyone I'm going to buy it and give it a go! It's the last Papy game for the time being isn't it?

"Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:49:12 GMT, "SimRacer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"Samiad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I've been playing N2002 for a few days now and it was just a little > >> bit sluggish on my 1800XP & GeForce 3 Ti500 combo (by sluggish I mean > >> ~20-30 fps @ 1024x768). I decided to dig out my older copy of Nascar > >> 4 and try that and it runs silky smooth (pegged at the vsync 85fps), > >> but the weird thing is that the graphics in Nascar 4 aren't that > >> dissimilar to N2002, very close infact. > >> > >> I was thinking about buying N2003 but if I can't get decent > >> performance out of it I won't bother...is there anyone out there with > >> a similar setup to mine playing 2003 with good framerates? As it is > >> I'm playing Nascar 4 which is fine by me, but there are no multiplayer > >> servers on Sierra.com :( > > > >I currently run NR2003 on an old 1.33Ghz AMD and a GF 3. It runs pretty

much > >like N4 and 2002 on the same system. I run mine in 1024x768 as well,though > >I don't run everything maxxed out. The image I see is pretty good, andwith > >less than everything turned on (but not too watered down of settings)yeilds > >me between 75-100 FPS most everywhere, with cars racing around me. > > > >In N4, I could run most everything turned on (about like now, no skidmarks

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> >or steering wheel and some extraneous trackside objects turned off) and I > >did considerably more than 85 FPS. Maybe there are some driver or setup > >issues in play on your system as I imagine that Ti500 is superior to my > >plain vanilla GF3. > > > > It's pegged at 85 because I have vsync enabled. > > Well cheers everyone I'm going to buy it and give it a go! It's the > last Papy game for the time being isn't it?

Sorry, I missed that as I am pretty sure that I disable v-sync as that is what the performance tuning gurus for this sim have always advised one to do. And from what I hear, it is THE last NASCAR sim from Papy, ever. We'll see. At least they are opening up the code for addons. It should be around for at least 5-6 years to come as I seriously doubt that EA will be able to match it in any tangible areas of comparison.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:17:15 GMT, "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> > >> >I currently run NR2003 on an old 1.33Ghz AMD and a GF 3. It runs pretty >much >> >like N4 and 2002 on the same system. I run mine in 1024x768 as well, >though >> >I don't run everything maxxed out. The image I see is pretty good, and >with >> >less than everything turned on (but not too watered down of settings) >yeilds >> >me between 75-100 FPS most everywhere, with cars racing around me. >> > >> >In N4, I could run most everything turned on (about like now, no skid >marks >> >or steering wheel and some extraneous trackside objects turned off) and I >> >did considerably more than 85 FPS. Maybe there are some driver or setup >> >issues in play on your system as I imagine that Ti500 is superior to my >> >plain vanilla GF3. >> > >> >> It's pegged at 85 because I have vsync enabled. >> >> Well cheers everyone I'm going to buy it and give it a go! It's the >> last Papy game for the time being isn't it? > >Sorry, I missed that as I am pretty sure that I disable v-sync as that is >what the performance tuning gurus for this sim have always advised one to >do. > >And from what I hear, it is THE last NASCAR sim from Papy, ever. We'll see. >At least they are opening up the code for addons. It should be around for at >least 5-6 years to come as I seriously doubt that EA will be able to match >it in any tangible areas of comparison. >

I went and bought it today, and for the most part it runs just fine. I think the thing that takes the most framerate hit is running 42 sets of AI. I disabled track lighting as I couldn't really tell the difference in quality. With these settings I get about 45fps at most times, with a low of about 30 when lots of stuff happens on screen. I'm probably most impressed with the dirt and grease that slowly accumulates on the windscreen over the race, brilliant! I don't like the way it suddenly disappears at the end of a pitstop though, they should have one of the pit guys wipe it off.

On this day of our lord, Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:17:15 GMT, "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> quilled: >It should be around for at >least 5-6 years to come I doubt we will be able to even run it on the hardware and OS's of 5-6 years.