Making of Grand Prix, 1966

Just a heads up people... Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late Sept/early October 2003. 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. See Amazon/s. -- Pete H GPL & LFS sucks ... you in

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> Just a heads up people... > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late > Sept/early October 2003. > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > See Amazon/s.

So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real feature. hmpf! -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

The full version *is* avail on Laser Disc...if that helps.... "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Pete H" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Just a heads up people... > > > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late > > Sept/early October 2003. > > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > > > See Amazon/s. > > So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real > feature. hmpf! > > -- > Olav Malmin > remove .spam when replying

I thoguht for sure I saw on the news like last year that Grand Prix was coming out on DVD.. maybe it was a dream? Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A057b.13878$[email hidden]...

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> The full version *is* avail on Laser Disc...if that helps.... > > "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Pete H" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > Just a heads up people... > > > > > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late > > > Sept/early October 2003. > > > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > > > > > See Amazon/s. > > > > So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real > > feature. hmpf! > > > > -- > > Olav Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I thoguht for sure I saw on the news like last year that Grand Prix was > coming out on DVD.. maybe it was a dream? Or you were thinking of Le Mans earlier this year? -jde

You weren't dreaming. Someone said that it was coming out this year and "it was worth the wait" since it was going to have lots of extras. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I thoguht for sure I saw on the news like last year that Grand Prix was > coming out on DVD.. maybe it was a dream? > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:A057b.13878$[email hidden]... > > The full version *is* avail on Laser Disc...if that helps.... > > > > "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Pete H" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > Just a heads up people... > > > > > > > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available

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> > > > Sept/early October 2003. > > > > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > > > > > > > See Amazon/s. > > > > > > So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real > > > feature. hmpf! > > > > > > -- > > > Olav Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > >

"Pete H" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Zo_6b.89105$bo1.70539 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late > Sept/early October 2003. > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. Yep, Amazon says it'll be released on my birthday! Yay! But I reallllly wish they'd release the movie itself on DVD. Man, it would be amazing with my front projector setup.

Let it be known that on 08 Sep 2003 14:46:19 +0200, Olav Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Pete H" <[email hidden]> writes: > >> Just a heads up people... >> >> Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late >> Sept/early October 2003. >> 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. >> >> See Amazon/s. > >So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real >feature. hmpf!

Notice that it's is not a Warner release, who has the rights to the movie "Grand Prix".

But in Driven, the racing footage was pathetic and agonizing. Ryan

You *are* talking about a movie that is almost 40 years old - you realise that, do you, sonny? Or are you one of these people who find it so cool to be so wise with the benefit of decades of hindsight? It is no more a "pathetic soap opera" than many other major movies of that era and, as one who saw it three times within a month of its release in Cinerama, I can tell you that we couldn't give a rat's arse about the storyline, anyway! Bruce. "Cyber Chum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Why do you guys think GP is the holy grail or somehting?

"Cyber Chum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Why do you guys think GP is the holy grail or somehting? It's not even > a good movie. What's your opinion on 'Vanishing Point' then? Malc.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f5d7936$[email hidden]...

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> You *are* talking about a movie that is almost 40 years old - you realise > that, do you, sonny? Or are you one of these people who find it so cool to > be so wise with the benefit of decades of hindsight? > > It is no more a "pathetic soap opera" than many other major movies of that > era and, as one who saw it three times within a month of its release in > Cinerama, I can tell you that we couldn't give a rat's arse about the > storyline, anyway! > > Bruce. >

Plus, on DVD we can skip the soap opera and get right to the good stuff! Instant gratification. Stephen

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:41:50 -0700, Cyber Chum <[email hidden]> wrote: >Why do you guys think GP is the holy grail or somehting? It's not even >a good movie. Sure, the racing stuff is good but the story itself is a >pathetic soap opera. You guys agree that Driven is a bad movie right? >Well, take a look at Driven again, it is just an updated version of >GP. Same boring soap opera of a story. I didn't realize Driven had racing sequences that were up to GP standards. And GP's racing sequences were 25 years ahead of their time already (hell, probably 30 when you think about how piss poor F1 coverage was on TV until the late 90's). I really don't see what's bad about the story, either. Pete Aarons is clearly based largely around the real life John Surtees with a few things added to make it more exciting, and the love story aspects are less the focus of the movie and used more as support for the overall theme of driver dedication and bravery in the face of danger. I'm sure the film also played some role in providing a push for Stewart's safety campaign that was started shortly after the Spa race that appears in the movie. I just watched the first half of the film a few days ago, and the in-car views of the crashes at Masta still take my breath away. Overall, I'd be incredibly pleased if a movie came out that combined the trend-setting cinematics of GP (including both the camerawork and the incredible Jarre-penned score) with a similarly well-constructed plot that not only mirrored much of the lives of the real drivers but also made a quite serious social statement about racing itself. Very few of the films that are considered classics are anywhere near as influential or thought provoking as GP remains to this day, and from a film student perspective I have no problems ranking it right next to anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top films ever made. Jason

When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" book project, he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promised he's go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before he could make it happen. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I thoguht for sure I saw on the news like last year that Grand Prix was > coming out on DVD.. maybe it was a dream? > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:A057b.13878$[email hidden]... > > The full version *is* avail on Laser Disc...if that helps.... > > > > "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Pete H" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > Just a heads up people... > > > > > > > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available

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> > > > Sept/early October 2003. > > > > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > > > > > > > See Amazon/s. > > > > > > So they are releasing a making of DVD, and still no plans for the real > > > feature. hmpf! > > > > > > -- > > > Olav Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > >

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>You *are* talking about a movie that is almost 40 years old - you realise >that, do you, sonny? Or are you one of these people who find it so cool to >be so wise with the benefit of decades of hindsight? > >It is no more a "pathetic soap opera" than many other major movies of that >era and, as one who saw it three times within a month of its release in >Cinerama, I can tell you that we couldn't give a rat's arse about the >storyline, anyway! > >Bruce.

I was there too Gramps. Saw it at a Drive-in. Remember those? Fact is that GP is just Peyton Place on wheels.

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:27:45 +0100, "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What's your opinion on 'Vanishing Point' then? > >Malc. > Why?

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>Very >few of the films that are considered classics are anywhere near as >influential or thought provoking as GP remains to this day, and from a >film student perspective I have no problems ranking it right next to >anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top >films ever made. > >Jason

Thought provoking? Hehe...surely you jest? Amazon.com essential video *Light on story*, this 1966 spectacle directed by John Frankenheimer was shot in 70 millimeter, with a cinematically enthralling emphasis on unique, visceral new ways of capturing the sensations of a car race. James Garner, Eva Marie Saint, Yves Montand, and Toshiro Mifune are part of the stellar, international cast whose characters plod through assorted relationship and business conflicts. But the film's real hook is the thrilling and inventive means by which Frankenheimer (The Manchurian Candidate) brings an urgency to the drama happening on the racetrack. A true master of the plastic techniques of obtaining and cutting kinetic footage, Frankenheimer offers more than a joyride to viewers: he makes action part of the compelling language of stories. Cameras are strapped to vehicles as they round the track, shots are taken from a helicopter, the screen is split between angles for maximum impact--even if Grand Prix doesn't rank among the director's best character-driven stories, it is certainly driven on its own terms. --Tom Keogh --This text refers to the VHS Tape edition. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/GrandPrix-1008702/about.php Essentially a *soap opera* interspersed with racing footage, the film's existence was ascribed by Frankenheimer to his fascination with the sport and a desire to spend time in Europe. That said, the racing sequences are still among the most realistic ever put on film, jammed with wide-angle helicopter shots, you-are-there car-mounted cameras, and then-fashionable split-screen sequences. GRAND PRIX is a definitely a film or racing fans.

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> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:27:45 +0100, "Malc" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >What's your opinion on 'Vanishing Point' then? > > > >Malc. > > > > Why?

Because I'd like to know. Malc.

i would bet that GP plus doco will be released as one at some later date.Reason.Money -- Steve H "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Pete H" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Zo_6b.89105$bo1.70539 > @news-server.bigpond.net.au: > > > Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late > > Sept/early October 2003. > > 80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > > Yep, Amazon says it'll be released on my birthday! Yay! > > But I reallllly wish they'd release the movie itself on DVD. Man, it would > be amazing with my front projector setup.

Gramps? How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for that. Drive-ins? Oh yes....I remember those all *too* clearly!! LOL! But as I said - the crowd which I knocked about with didn't give a rat's about the plot; it was the cars we went to see it for. But if you saw it at a drive-in, and you are complaining about the plot, all I can say is that you took the wrong girl! :) Bruce. "Cyber Chum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:54:24 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You *are* talking about a movie that is almost 40 years old - you realise > >that, do you, sonny? Or are you one of these people who find it so coolto > >be so wise with the benefit of decades of hindsight? > > > >It is no more a "pathetic soap opera" than many other major movies ofthat

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> >era and, as one who saw it three times within a month of its release in > >Cinerama, I can tell you that we couldn't give a rat's arse about the > >storyline, anyway! > > > >Bruce. > > I was there too Gramps. Saw it at a Drive-in. Remember those? Fact is > that GP is just Peyton Place on wheels.

Ummm, once again, let me point out that BOTH reviews are using the benefit of 35 years hindsight. Now, if you *really* want to be a clever-dick, dig up some reviews from the period in which the movie was first released and if you can come up with just one genuine 1966/67 review which alludes to "soap opera", then I'll walk backwards to Christmas. Go to it, Chum! Bruce. "Cyber Chum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thought provoking? Hehe...surely you jest? >

besides the racing footage (which for most of us in the US was non-existant) where else could you SEE the drivers that now only are names in a sim? i read about these guys, i followed their exploits, but there they were! it was not so much about a movie, it was an experience~ 1st hand, and like any good theatrical show, hte interuptions of the 'story' only left you hungering for the next racing segment. if you can't understand that.. well move along... theres' nothing for you to see here~ and i certainly am not going to try to convince you. bo

jason moyer wrote: > influential or thought provoking as GP remains to this day, and from a > film student perspective I have no problems ranking it right next to > anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top > films ever made. Well personally I wouldn't go THAT far, since the plot is little better than sub-average and the love stories detract from the cool stuff (although I understand *why* they were put in.. Not everyone in the general public is a racing fan, anyway). But in general, together with Le Mans it's still the best as far as *racing* films go, thanks to the good cinematics etc. And that's kinda sad, really - in thirty years nobody has made anything really better in this genre. On the other hand, it's probably the only film that spawned a computer simulation (some of you might know it) 30+ years on! Regards, Rudy

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> Gramps? > How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for > that. > > Drive-ins? > Oh yes....I remember those all *too* clearly!! LOL! > But as I said - the crowd which I knocked about with didn't give a rat's > about the plot; it was the cars we went to see it for. > > But if you saw it at a drive-in, and you are complaining about the plot,

all > I can say is that you took the wrong girl! :) > > Bruce. > LOL ;o) Elrikk

>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > I have no problems ranking it right next to > anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top > films ever made. Whoa there, let's not exaggerate here. From a technical POV, it sure is a great movie for 1966. I still feel that Le Mans is a better representation of the "Driver's angst". -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On this day of our lord, Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:46:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> quilled:

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>Gramps? >How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for >that. > >Drive-ins? >Oh yes....I remember those all *too* clearly!! LOL! >But as I said - the crowd which I knocked about with didn't give a rat's >about the plot; it was the cars we went to see it for.

And I did say the movie had good racing sequences, I am knocking it as a good all-around movie because it is not all that good in that aspect at all. >But if you saw it at a drive-in, and you are complaining about the plot, all >I can say is that you took the wrong girl! :) Hehe...I was bit too young to be interested in that sort of thing during the heyday of the Drive-ins, unfortunately.

On this day of our lord, Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:51:38 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> quilled: >Ummm, once again, let me point out that BOTH reviews are using the benefit >of 35 years hindsight. Yea, and in hindsight it is not a very good movie. Just like in hindsight Michael Jackson's music is crap. >Now, if you *really* want to be a clever-dick, dig up some reviews from the >period in which the movie was first released and if you can come up with >just one genuine 1966/67 review which alludes to "soap opera", then I'll >walk backwards to Christmas. And what would the point of that be? That people were caught up in the hype of the movies racing sequences? I enjoyed GP when I was 9 but watching it now is a very different experience for me. I use to like watching HR Puff 'n' Stuff too back then.

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> > On this day of our lord, Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:53 +0100, "Malc" > <[email hidden]> quilled: > > >Because I'd like to know. > > > >Malc. > > > > Jog my memory. I know I've seen it but can't even remember what it was > about. Is that the one with the guy running from the cops across the > U.S. in a Dodge Charger?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067927/ Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

One line review: Cheesy plot, great cars and racing sequences. A Kubrick fan.

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> On this day of our lord, Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:53 +0100, "Malc" > <[email hidden]> quilled: > > >>Because I'd like to know. >> >>Malc. >> > > Jog my memory. I know I've seen it but can't even remember what it was > about. Is that the one with the guy running from the cops across the > U.S. in a Dodge Charger?

a Dodge Challenger. Similar to the cars in the 1970 Trans Am Season. The Charger was the Dodge Nascar Vehicle...the CHallenger and it's Plymouth cousin, the Barracuda, were smaller compared to the Charger and other Nascar vehicles. The Barracuda was the featured car in the PC game Interstate 76. The Charger was showcased on that fine <wink wink> tv show, the Dukes of Hazard(the General Lee). Both cars were orange...coincidence?? dave henrie

In article <r0m7b.45764$[email hidden]>, Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote: > When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" book project, > he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promised he's > go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to > coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before he could > make it happen. That is a shame. I saw an interview with him and Garner (well, perhaps they were interviewed separately ;) where he alluded to a substantial amount of racing footage which was archived after the film was edited together. Wouldn't it be great to have a deluxe edition DVD with hours of outtake footage included?

The point of *that* would be to bring you back to earth and place you In The Year Of Our Lord in which the movie debuted so that you can understand that then was *then* and what *was* simply......was. It was 1966, NOT 1966-in-2003. There is no point in passing judgement on something thirty-odd years after it first saw the light of day because you are doing so from a completely different viewpoint to that which existed in 1966. It would make as much sense to criticise 1960's American and western society as a whole from the perspective of the 2000's. You cannot legitimately do so because it is a biased situation. It's like people who are currently in their twenties - thirties casting ridicule over the fashions and decor of the 1970's. There just isn't any legitimacy in doing so because back then, when we were in the same age group, that was just how things were. We didn't wake up each morning thinking "Jeez! These flared pants, body shirts and paisley ties are totally stupid - I guess my kids will poke fun at them in another thirty year's time!" or "Urrk! That kidney-shaped coffee table is so uncool, I'd better get rid of it and get a plain rectangular one so that in 2003 I won't be embarrassed." How much sense would it have made for us to subject the styles, fashions and tastes of the 1930's to similar scrutiny? None whatsoever - just as it makes no sense for you to pass judgement on the tastes of the 1960's. Bruce. > And what would the point of that be?

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:46:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Gramps? >How psychic of you - I am a relatively new grandfather, yes. Thanks for >that. Touche and congrats :) Andre

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:54:55 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: <snip> >influential or thought provoking as GP remains to this day, and from a >film student perspective I have no problems ranking it right next to >anything done by Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick as one of the top >films ever made. > >Jason Nice comments Jason. About your last comment, everything from Kubrick is on top of my dvd-shelf, but last week I watched Citizen Kane for the xxxth time.. not because I like it, but because I still don't understand what the hell that movie does on #5 at IMDB.. You are obviously are passionatie filmfreak, please enlighten me :) Andre

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:07:03 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" book project, >he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promised he's >go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to >coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before he could >make it happen. If you can't find a publisher for your book (which I can imagine is very hard to find because of the limited public for your book) then why don't you sell it as an online book or something? I think a lot of us are interested in your book, especially the Frankenheimer interviews, I'd be more than happy to pay for an electronic version of what you have written sofar.. Andre

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> > It's like people who are currently in their twenties - thirties casting > ridicule over the fashions and decor of the 1970's. > > We didn't wake up each morning thinking "Jeez! These flared pants, body > shirts and paisley ties are totally stupid - I guess my kids will poke fun > at them in another thirty year's time!"

The irony, of course, is that the twenty- and thirysomethings *are* embracing 70s fashion all over again.

Yes, Stephen. :) They say that, with fashion, there's nothing new under the sun - only rehashes. I get quite nostalgic when I see the cute chicks today wearing flared jeans or mini-skirts - takes me back to my vibrant youth! :) Bruce. "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f603353$[email hidden]... > > The irony, of course, is that the twenty- and thirysomethings *are* > embracing 70s fashion all over again. > >

Hi Andre, I never got that far. He agreed to do the book with me, so I went off in search of a publisher. Since "A French Kiss With Death" (Mike Keyser's book abt. the making of "Le Mans") had sold very well, I approached the publisher (Robert Bentley), but they said, in effect, "Once is enough." I also approached Motorbooks International, which had sold thousands of copies of "French Kiss" through their mail-order outlet, Classic Motorbooks, but, incredibly, they weren't interested either. I tried to get Frankenheimer to sit still long enuf for some depositions, but he worked incessantly right up to his death (when he wasn't doing features he was doing commercials, like one segment of those wacko BMW Internet films), so I never got another chance. I did think of self-publishing (as Denise McCluggage had done successfully with her book, "By Brooks Too Broad for Leaping"), but by the time I had come around to that view, it was too late. It was a real pity, because Frankenheimer promised to hook me up with everybody who was associated with "Grand Prix" (including Garner, whom he hated), and to tell the real story of why Steve McQueen (who was originally slated for Garner's role as Pete Aron), exited the project with extreme prejudice (he jumped out a window into a parking lot and sped away in his 911, never to be seen--by Frankenheimer, at any rate--again). The faux F1 "picture" cars still exist (they're in Ireland), and Frankenheimer was going to give me access to the 1,500 production stills he donated to the American Film Institute. But no, there was not much left on the cutting room floor, according to Frankenheimer. "I used every frame," he said, denying the rumor that there had been a "director's cut" that was never released. (I gather the "special material" DVD that's going to be released is the docu done for Speedvision, which--while it's mainly talking heads and not outtakes--was quite comprehensive and very well done.) I also lobbied Papyrus to release--concurrently with the book's publishing--a special edition of "Grand Prix Legends" with the 1966 cars (Yamura, Jordan-BRM, etc.) and drivers (Aron, Stoddard, Sarti, et alia) from the film, but they weren't interested either. Most of all, I regret not being able to record for posterity the innumerable anecdotes Frankenheimer--a master raconteur--had to tell about the making of the film. His explanation of how he got the stiff-upper-lip British crowd to leap to their feet when Aron's car crossed the finish line at Brands with its ass-end on fire is a classic. --Steve "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:07:03 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" bookproject, > >he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promisedhe's

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> >go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to > >coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before he could > >make it happen. > > If you can't find a publisher for your book (which I can imagine is > very hard to find because of the limited public for your book) then > why don't you sell it as an online book or something? > I think a lot of us are interested in your book, especially the > Frankenheimer interviews, I'd be more than happy to pay for an > electronic version of what you have written sofar.. > > Andre

See response to Andre, below. "Greg Dunn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:110920030029262625%[email hidden]... > In article <r0m7b.45764$[email hidden]>, Steve Smith > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" bookproject, > > he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promisedhe's > > go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to > > coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before hecould

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> > make it happen. > > That is a shame. I saw an interview with him and Garner (well, perhaps > they were interviewed separately ;) where he alluded to a substantial > amount of racing footage which was archived after the film was edited > together. Wouldn't it be great to have a deluxe edition DVD with hours > of outtake footage included?

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Yes, Stephen. :) > They say that, with fashion, there's nothing new under the sun - only > rehashes. > I get quite nostalgic when I see the cute chicks today wearing flared jeans > or mini-skirts - takes me back to my vibrant youth! :) They had mini's and flared jeans in the 30's ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:09 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067927/ > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy >"goyl at nettx dot no" Ah yes, Challenger and not Charger. It was a fun movie, but again, certainly not great movie making.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:33:14 +0200, "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote: >The irony, of course, is that the twenty- and thirysomethings *are* >embracing 70s fashion all over again. > I think they've retrofitted the 70's two or three times now already. I see punk is 'in' again too.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:12:05 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Nice comments Jason. About your last comment, everything from Kubrick >is on top of my dvd-shelf, but last week I watched Citizen Kane for >the xxxth time.. not because I like it, but because I still don't >understand what the hell that movie does on #5 at IMDB.. >You are obviously are passionatie filmfreak, please enlighten me :) > >Andre

It's all about Rosebud.

Cyber Chum wrote: > > I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here because I know this group > has a hardon for the movie GP. Just laying down a more realistic > perspective is all. Pierre ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:16:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pierre ? > Hehe...nope, but I think you know the real answer.

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> > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:16:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Pierre ? > > > > Hehe...nope, but I think you know the real answer.

Yeah but the name escapes me at the moment, if it had been PD he would never have admitted to running an nVidia board Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I had the pleasure of working with John and Evans Frankenheimer over about a ten year period. Steve's experience concures with what I was told about the possibility of any out takes. They had gone way over budget and even further behind schedule. The studio wanted the film over and done. What little footage was left, and it only amounted to scraps, went in a big dumpster and is probably in a landfill in Pacoima :-( Although JF was not a big fan of modern Grand Prix racing, he was quite knowledgable about it and still attended races whenever he could fit one in his schedule. -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GJ18b.26130$[email hidden]... <SNIP> > But no, there was not much left on the cutting room floor, according to > Frankenheimer. "I used every frame," he said, denying the rumor that there > had been a "director's cut" that was never released. <SNIP> > --Steve

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Steve Smith wrote: <snip of interesting stuff> > But no, there was not much left on the cutting room floor, according to > Frankenheimer. "I used every frame," he said, denying the rumor that there > had been a "director's cut" that was never released. (I gather the "special > material" DVD that's going to be released is the docu done for Speedvision, > which--while it's mainly talking heads and not outtakes--was quite > comprehensive and very well done.) Well, I was at Watkins Glen when they filmed there, including the GT-40 modified with cameras mounted on it. None of that made it into the movie...so there must have been at some outtakes. I always wanted to see their Watkins footage, but as you say it's probably too late now. -- Doug

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:26:35 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yeah but the name escapes me at the moment, if it had been PD he would >never have admitted to running an nVidia board Yea, he now runs a Radeon 9700pro and can't play his beloved Jane's F15 on it.

Andre Warringa wrote: > why don't you sell it as an online book or something? > I think a lot of us are interested in your book, especially the > Frankenheimer interviews, I'd be more than happy to pay for an > electronic version of what you have written sofar.. Yeah, and expand on anything else GPL-related - I know *I'd* like a Four-Wheel Drift Part II since I read Part I often enough! ;) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -7.8)

Steve, you really MUST continue your approaches to publishers; there is too much of interest (such as that below) not to have it made publicly accessible. And it deserves to be in print - not as a collection of electrons. What about the British publication "Motor Sport" - perhaps they may be interested in an article, at least? Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GJ18b.26130$[email hidden]... > > Most of all, I regret not being able to record for posterity theinnumerable > anecdotes Frankenheimer--a master raconteur--had to tell about the makingof > the film. His explanation of how he got the stiff-upper-lip British crowd > to leap to their feet when Aron's car crossed the finish line at Brandswith > its ass-end on fire is a classic. >

GET STUFFED! (Nordic dill!) :) Bruce. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > They had mini's and flared jeans in the 30's ?

Thx, Rudy! "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bjrigt$rf1$[email hidden]...

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> Andre Warringa wrote: > > > why don't you sell it as an online book or something? > > I think a lot of us are interested in your book, especially the > > Frankenheimer interviews, I'd be more than happy to pay for an > > electronic version of what you have written sofar.. > > Yeah, and expand on anything else GPL-related - I know *I'd* like a > Four-Wheel Drift Part II since I read Part I often enough! ;) > > Regards, Rudy > (GPLRank -7.8) >

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:50:46 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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>Most of all, I regret not being able to record for posterity the innumerable >anecdotes Frankenheimer--a master raconteur--had to tell about the making of >the film. His explanation of how he got the stiff-upper-lip British crowd >to leap to their feet when Aron's car crossed the finish line at Brands with >its ass-end on fire is a classic. > >--Steve

What a missed opportunity :(( After reading this it makes me even more sad that the book will never be released. Just tell me one thing - how did the get the crowd to leap to their feet? Andre

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > GET STUFFED! > (Nordic dill!) For some strange reason I got a craving for fish..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:14:49 GMT, "Pete H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just a heads up people... > >Spotted this - The Making of "Grand Prix" DVD will be available late >Sept/early October 2003. >80 minute doco of the 1966 movie. > >See Amazon/s.

I want to see the making of Gumball Rally. What a kickass car movie.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:12:05 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >Nice comments Jason. About your last comment, everything from Kubrick >is on top of my dvd-shelf, but last week I watched Citizen Kane for >the xxxth time.. not because I like it, but because I still don't >understand what the hell that movie does on #5 at IMDB.. >You are obviously are passionatie filmfreak, please enlighten me :) 1. Cinematography 2. Political Satire 3. Cinematography 4. Rosebud Jason

LOL!! :) :) Never mind, Goy - the days are getting longer up in your part of the planet and soon you'll actually see the sun for a couple of weeks! Bruce. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > For some strange reason I got a craving for fish.....

THE best "car" movie of all! Crikey - I laugh every time I play that movie - particularly at the plight of the motor-cyclist. :) "Gumball" kicked that other one (with Bert Reynolds) into the weeds, in my opinion. Bruce. "benrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I want to see the making of Gumball Rally. >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > THE best "car" movie of all! > Crikey - I laugh every time I play that movie - particularly at the plight > of the motor-cyclist. :) > "Gumball" kicked that other one (with Bert Reynolds) into the weeds, in my > opinion. Ah....but "Cannonball" had Farrah Fawcett and Adrienne Barbeau, not to mention people like Jack Elam, Dean Martin, Sammy Davies Jr and Jamie Farr, not to mention...Brock Yates Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:12:05 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Nice comments Jason. About your last comment, everything from Kubrick > >is on top of my dvd-shelf, but last week I watched Citizen Kane for > >the xxxth time.. not because I like it, but because I still don't > >understand what the hell that movie does on #5 at IMDB.. > >You are obviously are passionatie filmfreak, please enlighten me :) > > 1. Cinematography > 2. Political Satire > 3. Cinematography > 4. Rosebud > > Jason

Oh yeah - and Cinematography ;)... I watched a great documentary on Citizen Kane a few years back, and it's remarkable when you find out that alot of the filming was done on borrowed sets from other films. Also realize that we're seeing the movie with jaded eyes - some of the things done in that movie practically invented a new language of modern filmmaking. Kendt

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> >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:16:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> >wrote: > > >>Pierre ? >> > >Hehe...nope, but I think you know the real answer. >

Hi, Nos...<g> Eldred -- .sig file is at the cleaners... Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -2.4 N2k3 rank ? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

True, true. Worth owning (which I do) just for those aspects - particularly Farrah's aspects. :) I reckon I just found Gumball to be funnier, is all. Bruce. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Ah....but "Cannonball" had Farrah Fawcett and Adrienne Barbeau, not to > mention people like Jack Elam, Dean Martin, Sammy Davies Jr and Jamie > Farr, not to mention...Brock Yates >

As did "Metropolis" in the 1920's. Bruce. "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > - some of the things done in that movie > practically invented a new language of modern filmmaking. > > Kendt

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:08:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >As did "Metropolis" in the 1920's. If I were to make an analogy, I'd say "Metropolis" (or M for that matter) was to Eraserhead as Citizen Kane was to 2001. Jason

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Cyber Chum > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:16:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > > > > >>Pierre ? > >> > > > >Hehe...nope, but I think you know the real answer. > > > > Hi, Nos...<g>

Ah....thx Eldred :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > True, true. Worth owning (which I do) just for those aspects - particularly > Farrah's aspects. :) > > I reckon I just found Gumball to be funnier, is all. Well, I've only seen Gumball once, while "slightly" under the influence, so the story line escapes me at the moment, maybe I ought to find it somewhere and have a second look Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Short version: First time Garner went by (he insisted on doing the stunt himself) with the car on fire, the crowd sat on its hands, which Frankenheimer didn't notice until he screened the dailies (he had been directing several camera positions during the shooting of the scene). Furious, JF booked another day at Brands, and brought the extras back just for the reaction shot. He expected the worst 'cuz this time there was no car on fire (Frank Gardner, I think, just drove past in a GT-40), no Garner, and a much smaller crew, so he promised the extras tea and cakes if they performed well (i.e., BIG). He waved across the track, indicating a tea truck parked by itself at the pit exit. As Gardner approached Paddock at full chat, JF signalled his explosives expert who pressed a button which blew the tea truck to smithereens. The crowd jumped to its feet amidst cries of "Holy shite," Oh, no!" and "It can't be!" "Cut! Print!" muttered JF between clenched teeth, and stalked off in his signature huff. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:50:46 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > <snip> > >Most of all, I regret not being able to record for posterity theinnumerable > >anecdotes Frankenheimer--a master raconteur--had to tell about the makingof > >the film. His explanation of how he got the stiff-upper-lip Britishcrowd > >to leap to their feet when Aron's car crossed the finish line at Brandswith

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> >its ass-end on fire is a classic. > > > >--Steve > > What a missed opportunity :(( After reading this it makes me even more > sad that the book will never be released. Just tell me one thing - how > did the get the crowd to leap to their feet? > > Andre

You didn't miss much. Same basic storyline as Paul Bartel's "Death Race 2000" (now THERE'S a cult film!). "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > True, true. Worth owning (which I do) just for those aspects -particularly

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> > Farrah's aspects. :) > > > > I reckon I just found Gumball to be funnier, is all. > > Well, I've only seen Gumball once, while "slightly" under the influence, > so the story line escapes me at the moment, maybe I ought to find it > somewhere and have a second look > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MwE8b.60095$[email hidden]...

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> Short version: First time Garner went by (he insisted on doing the stunt > himself) with the car on fire, the crowd sat on its hands, which > Frankenheimer didn't notice until he screened the dailies (he had been > directing several camera positions during the shooting of the scene). > Furious, JF booked another day at Brands, and brought the extras back just > for the reaction shot. He expected the worst 'cuz this time there was no > car on fire (Frank Gardner, I think, just drove past in a GT-40), no

Garner,

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> and a much smaller crew, so he promised the extras tea and cakes if they > performed well (i.e., BIG). He waved across the track, indicating a tea > truck parked by itself at the pit exit. As Gardner approached Paddock at > full chat, JF signalled his explosives expert who pressed a button which > blew the tea truck to smithereens. The crowd jumped to its feet amidst > cries of "Holy shite," Oh, no!" and "It can't be!" "Cut! Print!" muttered > JF between clenched teeth, and stalked off in his signature huff.

I choose to beleive that this is a true story. It definitely deserves to be. ;o) Elrikk

...But nice to own and have a look at occasionally, as there are some nice shots of nice cars ..... and that makes everything nice. :) Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EFE8b.60097$[email hidden]... > You didn't miss much. Same basic storyline as Paul Bartel's "Death Race > 2000" (now THERE'S a cult film!).

In article <MwE8b.60095$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >The crowd jumped to its feet amidst >cries of "Holy shite," Oh, no!" and "It can't be!" "Cut! Print!" muttered >JF between clenched teeth, and stalked off in his signature huff. Cool... :-) Eldred -- .sig file is at the cleaners... Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -2.4 N2k3 rank ? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:59:24 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Short version: First time Garner went by (he insisted on doing the stunt >himself) with the car on fire, the crowd sat on its hands, which >Frankenheimer didn't notice until he screened the dailies (he had been >directing several camera positions during the shooting of the scene). >Furious, JF booked another day at Brands I thought the "car on fire" scene was at Zandy. Jason

jason moyer wrote: > I thought the "car on fire" scene was at Zandy. <Grin> If you confuse Zandy with Brands you must've been sniffing some or our local flora ;) Regards, Rudy

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:48:56 +0200, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote: ><Grin> If you confuse Zandy with Brands you must've been sniffing some >or our local flora ;) Ok, I shouldn't say "I thought that scene was Zandy." The scene where Pete Aarons' car catches on fire *definitely* is Zandy. =) Jason

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:35:45 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote:

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>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:48:56 +0200, Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >><Grin> If you confuse Zandy with Brands you must've been sniffing some >>or our local flora ;) > >Ok, I shouldn't say "I thought that scene was Zandy." The scene where >Pete Aarons' car catches on fire *definitely* is Zandy. =)

Or uh, my memory isn't nearly as good as Steve's and for some reason I thought that scene happened at the Dutch GP. Jason (going back into my corner, thx)

"Greg Dunn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:110920030029262625%[email hidden]... > In article <r0m7b.45764$[email hidden]>, Steve Smith > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > When I interviewed Frankenheimer for my (aborted) "making of" bookproject, > > he indicated the legal rights to "GP" were all in a twist, but promisedhe's > > go to bat with his friends in the industry to get it released on DVD to > > coincide with the publishing of the book. Sadly, he died before hecould

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> > make it happen. > > That is a shame. I saw an interview with him and Garner (well, perhaps > they were interviewed separately ;) where he alluded to a substantial > amount of racing footage which was archived after the film was edited > together. Wouldn't it be great to have a deluxe edition DVD with hours > of outtake footage included?

Absolutely! Or even better, a deluxe edition DVD with just the racing footage and all the daft love triangle bit left on the cutting room floor! Bits in Grand Prix I love; the start sequence at Monaco, the dry/wet race at Spa, round the banking at Monza. Bits I hate; the fake F1 cars, the silly circus music and out-of-focus frustration at Charade (what a waste that was!), the hanging off the suspension camera shots that must have been filmed at about 20mph... Still, it's a record of the times, and I wouldn't give my copy away. - Michael