F1 2000 and GeForce

WIll F1 2000 run better with a Geforce? Rene

WIll F1 2000 run better with a Geforce? Rene

When I temporarily substituted a Creative Labs GeForce2 for my Voodoo 3000 in my P3 550, I found only a 2 or 3 frame-per-second increase. In some spots of the track (Nurburgring) with higher levels of detail, it was actually about 1 fps slower. Other folks in this newsgroup have pointed out that racing sims tend to be CPU-limited, rather than video-card-limited. As always, your mileage may vary... ...Klinn DOK wrote: > WIll F1 2000 run better with a Geforce? > Rene

"DOK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > WIll F1 2000 run better with a Geforce? Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other reason than the menus will not be porked :-) -- [email hidden]

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>On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:35:46 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> >thus spoke: > > >>Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other >>reason than the menus will not be porked :-) > >Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 >for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA >then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, >but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully >qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-)

You must have tried it at least 6 minutes, then... ;-) JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:35:46 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other >reason than the menus will not be porked :-) Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-) -- Nos

thus spoke: Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-) -- Nos

The Voodoo5 5500 really cannot tip the performance of a GeForce2 GTS. Just read the V5 5500 review at http://www.thetechzone.com/ This guy runs a 3dmark2000 benchmark test on his 825 mhz computer with Voodoo5, he only scores 4200 points whille I with a slightly slower cpu (800) but with GeForce 2 GTS score 6388 points. I just swapped my old Voodoo3 with a GeForce 2 GTS. The voodoo3 used to give me around 3500 points in 3dmark2000. It's quite clear that the GeForce 2 is the fastest and best card around atm. 3Dfx is only playing catching up...

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> thus spoke: > >Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other > >reason than the menus will not be porked :-) > Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 > for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA > then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, > but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully > qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-) > -- > Nos

Yep. I have been doing autosims longer than flight sims :-) Noted. FSAA is ***on the GF2 cards. --

Frankly I agree with nos about the benchmark stuff. How about loading up F1 2000 with fraps and let us know what you get for framerates. That would be a meaningful number. Then please compare with a V5 or V3. I suspect you will not see much of a difference if any at all. And those are the important numbers. --

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> thus spoke: > >So why should I upgrade? Oh wait... Because I want to*** > >around with immature drivers that don't work worth a darn :-) > That's always worth upgrading for. But, 2X FSAA on a V5 will be usable > in any game because it comes with a negligible performance hit. But, > if you really want to improve the frame rate in sims then a faster cpu > is the what you should buy.

Well as I said in another post, if I knew that a V5 5500 would run F12K or F2 *MUCH* faster than my old trusty Voodoo2 on my P3-600E, then I would immediately get one. I haven't heard that yet though. Maybe papadocs Geforce2 vs V5 5500 review will tip the scales for me? --

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> On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:04:38 +0100, Weaver > >I haven't had one problem with any set of drivers when not using > >FSAA. That's since last November. All sets have been excellent, > >and worked first time. > Sure Peter. I have only had the Geforce2 for two weeks and have > already gone through four sets of drivers and can name a number of > bugs in games/progs. But, I will let you find out what they are for > yourself.

Maybe he is just loading the drivers and not playing any games? :-) --

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> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:35:46 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > > >Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other > >reason than the menus will not be porked :-) > > Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 > for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA > then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, > but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully > qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-)

From what I have been reading, FSAA is only really good for older games as it supposedly has a huge performance hit. So with newer games that need the fastest CPU just on general principals, FSAA is not supposed to help as it would kill framerate. I am also not convinced that the V5-5500 will vastly improve the framerate in F1 20000, SCGT, N3, EAW, F4, Freespace2 and anyother game I might have forgotten. If it boosted my F12K framerate from 20 to 30 or 35 in a Grandprix with a full field then I would certainly be interested. Also if it would boost the framerate in F4's campaign (1024x768) from 25 to *MUCH* higher I would also be interested. I am not sure my 12 MB Voodoo2 and my old trusty 16MB TNT is worth replacing at this point. All of my games are running at a great framerate. So why should I upgrade? Oh wait... Because I want to screw around with immature drivers that don't work worth a darn :-) -- [email hidden]

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> From what I have been reading, FSAA is only really good for older > games as it supposedly has a huge performance hit. So with newer > games that need the fastest CPU just on general principals, FSAA > is not supposed to help as it would kill framerate. > > I am also not convinced that the V5-5500 will vastly improve the > framerate in F1 20000, SCGT, N3, EAW, F4, Freespace2 and > anyother game I might have forgotten. If it boosted my F12K > framerate from 20 to 30 or 35 in a Grandprix with a full field then > I would certainly be interested. Also if it would boost the framerate > in F4's campaign (1024x768) from 25 to *MUCH* higher I would > also be interested. I am not sure my 12 MB Voodoo2 and my > old trusty 16MB TNT is worth replacing at this point. All of my > games are running at a great framerate.

Considering that the GF2 blows V5 away in Quake3 I really can't see it being much (if at all) better than GF2 in driving sims. Although the V5's D3D performance is a lot closer (if not better?) to GF2 than under openGL. In Quake3, GF2 @ 1600x1200 without FSAA is as fast as V5 with FSAA @ 800x600 - give me higher res over AA any day. Both cards are good solutions, both will sell well, both companies will live to fight the next round : ) bod

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> "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:#BlKqTD5$GA.282@cpmsnbbsa09... > > Spend enough time with an Nvidia card, and changing drivers becomes a > piece > > of cake--doesn't take much time at all. I know. > > Well OK another endorsement for Nvidia :-) >

I suppose you *could* take it that way if you wanted. hehe I've just put my trusty old V2s in the box with this GF256. I can't bring myself to bite on either 3dfx's or Nvidia's latest offerings, so I suppose I'll just suffer without the FSAA for the time being and see what develops in, oh, say the next six weeks or so--bound to be another "latest big thing" out by then. :) Jerry Morelock

On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:01:56 +0200, Jo Helsen Hehe...nope, unlike that "crap" game, I have actually had the Geforce2 in my machine for two weeks. -- Nos

thus spoke: That's always worth upgrading for. But, 2X FSAA on a V5 will be usable in any game because it comes with a negligible performance hit. But, if you really want to improve the frame rate in sims then a faster cpu is the what you should buy. -- Nos

On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:00:45 +0100, "Paul Brogden" . >800x600 - give me higher res over AA any day. Depends on what cpu. The V5 scales with the cpu very well. On a P3 800 you really cared about frame rates you wouldn't run your games at that res anyway. -- Nos

On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:04:38 +0100, Weaver Sure Peter. I have only had the Geforce2 for two weeks and have already gone through four sets of drivers and can name a number of bugs in games/progs. But, I will let you find out what they are for yourself. -- Nos

On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:06:03 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" Oh geez..another benchmark wuss. Those 3D Marks mean*** all to real world performance because they take advantage of the T&L processor on the Geforce2. How many games do you own right now that use T&L. As I thought...none. -- Nos

thus spoke: I believe 3DMark is his favourite game. Right Peter? :-) -- Nos

3dmark2000 uses T&L, hence the big step. In real life *** though I find 3dmark less than useful... easy benchmark to use though. Andrew McP

On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:48:48 -0400, "chainbreaker" Yep, I went through four sets of drivers in two weeks with the Geforce2. Just exchanged it today for a V5 5500 though so that malarky is over and done with. Now to go play SCGT with FSAA that doesn't pork the menus. -- Nos

On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:16:17 +0100, Weaver Yep, I know that. The menus show graphics glitches in WWIIF with FSAA or not. Opera's windows are screwed up if you maximize them, just like Free Agent is on the Geforce2 card. This may be specific to the Creative drivers though. But, it pissed me off enough to go back to my beloved 3DFX. -- Nos

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> >Frankly I agree with nos about the benchmark stuff. > No surprises there, then :) > >How about loading up F1 2000 with fraps and let us know what > >you get for framerates.That would be a meaningful number. > Good idea. Name your set of parameters for a static test.

800x600, mirrors on objects off, everything else on high except dust smoke and particles which is set to low- instead of off. Plus a full 22 car field with 4 drawn cars. Besides, you don't need me to setup parameters for a static test. Just do a quick race from the rear of the field then change the card and do it again. Then compare. I believe it gives the current fps. I guess you lost me here. --

Well OK another endor***t for Nvidia :-) --

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> >On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:04:38 +0100, Weaver > >>I haven't had one problem with any set of drivers when not using > >>FSAA. That's since last November. All sets have been excellent, > >>and worked first time. > >Sure Peter. > When you say sure - do you mean that you don't believe me?

When he says "sure", he (and everyone else) thinks you are full of shit. Check that :-) --

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> >> I haven't had one problem with any set of drivers when not using > >> FSAA. That's since last November. All sets have been excellent, > >> and worked first time. > >Noted. FSAA is ***on the GF2 cards. > Oh - when did you get yours? (Usual trick question <g>) > "The Voice of Experience" - of browsing webpages <VBG>

I'm still doing research. I am not some mindless lemming that just goes out and get Nvidia cards just because. Duh. I also don't need to spend $300 to know that they have problems with FSAA. So don't be an ahole. --

> > Spend enough time with an Nvidia card, and changing drivers becomes a > piece > > of cake--doesn't take much time at all. I know. > Well OK another endor***t for Nvidia :-) I suppose you *could* take it that way if you wanted. hehe I've just put my trusty old V2s in the box with this GF256. I can't bring myself to bite on either 3dfx's or Nvidia's latest offerings, so I suppose I'll just suffer without the FSAA for the time being and see what develops in, oh, say the next six weeks or so--bound to be another "latest big thing" out by then. :) Jerry Morelock

On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:32:23 +0100, Weaver <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I'll take that as a "No" then. You failed the test. Didn't you see the >"trick question!" sign up there? Everything you post is a trick question. Crafty sod. :-) -- Nos

On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:32:23 +0100, Weaver Everything you post is a trick question. Crafty sod. :-) -- Nos

A Voodoo 5 for a GeForce 2? You must be joking. Keep the Geforce2 the Voodoo is going under as the company stock is dropping drastically. They will be history soon if the trend continues. [email hidden] wrote:

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> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:35:46 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > >Actually I think it will run better with a V5 5500. Of for no other > >reason than the menus will not be porked :-) > > Yep, my Geforce2 is going back as soon as the store gets in a Voodoo5 > for exactly that reason. Same problem with SCGT too. If you want FSAA > then forget the Geforce2. I kind of knew that when I bought a Gef2, > but had to see it for myself. Now that I have tried one I am fully > qualified to call it a piece of crap. :-) > > -- > Nos

On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:01:41 GMT, Mrv <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >A Voodoo 5 for a GeForce 2? You must be joking. Keep the Geforce2 the >Voodoo is going under as the company stock is dropping drastically. They >will be history soon if the trend continues. You looking for a video card or a stock option? -- Nos

spoke: You looking for a video card or a stock option? -- Nos

Mrv wrote: > > A Voodoo 5 for a GeForce 2? You must be joking. Keep the Geforce2 the > Voodoo is going under as the company stock is dropping drastically. They > will be history soon if the trend continues. LOL, you keep playing with your stocks, I'll enjoy my sims in FSAA glory. l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!