I think you miss my point John, I said MGPRS2, with no mention of NFS PU,
Viper racing, DTR etc. I was just using GPL as an example. I think that Jo
Helson, who made his comments on this thread, should keep in mind that I
DON'T EVEN OWN GPL. If I were thinking that nothing will ever compare to
GPL, then I might want to go out and buy it.
So what the hell exactly is that that your talking about John when you make
these references to these other games?
And I'm also Interested in Jo's comments about comparing me to a racist. If
no offense were intended, then perhaps you shouldn't have said those words?
These were Jo Helson's words in case anyone missed them the first time
around (un-edited profanities included) "Maybe the comparison is a little
bit over the top, but Kai's message reminded me an awful lot of the "I'm not
a racist but I don't like ***s"-quote. If only they would paint them
_white_ (absolutely no offence intended)"
So lets recap, I don't own GPL, so I'm obviously not one of those people who
think GPL is the end all. (I welcome flames for not owning GPL :)) Secondly,
I don't think I'm the only one who thinks MGPRS2 doesn't do as good of a job
as GPL in the physics model. If I offended anyone is a MGPRS2 devotee, I OWN
MGPRS2....
Hmmm... well I suppose this should teach me, from now on to post on r.a.s.
and leave the group for a couple days. I appreciate everyone's more
civilized replied, including ymenard's which proves ALL French Canadians
can't be bad spellers... :)
In article <XAW%4.164162$[email hidden]>,
"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I think you miss my point John, I said MGPRS2, with no mention of NFSPU,
> Viper racing, DTR etc. I was just using GPL as an example.
Maybe I did mis-interpret what you were saying, but in spirit, I
disagree with the basic title of your post ("r.a.s. ISN'T GPL
centric"), mainly because I feel that this group tends to be VERY GPL-
centric a lot of the time.
> So what the hell exactly is that that your talking about John whenyou make
> these references to these other games?
I brought of those other sims to illustrate that many other sims do
many of the things that GPL does, and they do them very well; I didn't
realize that you were merely comparing GPL to MGPRS2 in that instance.
Since you had mentioned so many other sims in your original post, I
thought that you were alluding to the fact that NO sim did what you
described as well as GPL, when in fact, you were simply saying that
MGPRS2 did not do these things well. My apologies for the
misinterpretation on that point. I am a big fan of the sims I
mentioned, by the way, and I think they all fall into the GPL end of
the spectrum, but how many posts have we seen around here lately about
NFSPU or DTR? (BOTH NFSPU and DTR are very fine SIMULATORS in their
own right, so it saddens me that they don't receive more attention
here -- I KNOW I'm not the only one enjoying them, but I have to go to
other forums to hear talk about them -- is it because this place IS
somewhat GPL-centric, perhaps?)
> And I'm also Interested in Jo's comments about comparing me to aracist. If
> no offense were intended, then perhaps you shouldn't have said thosewords?
> These were Jo Helson's words in case anyone missed them the first time
> around (un-edited profanities included) "Maybe the comparison is alittle
> bit over the top, but Kai's message reminded me an awful lot ofthe "I'm not
> a racist but I don't like niggers"-quote. If only they would paintthem
> _white_ (absolutely no offence intended)"
I don't believe he was comparing YOU to a racist, but, rather, the
COMMENT about r.a.s. not being GPL-centric. The comment Jo was talking
about is pretty much a racist joke in and of itself -- the humor in the
phrase comes when the speaker denies that they are a racist while using
racist language to deny the fact, thus actually confirming that they
are indeed racist. I don't believe that Jo was inferring that you are
a racist, but, rather, he was humorously noting that your statement and
supporting commentary ("r.a.s. is NOT GPL centric . . .") carried much
the same tone. I caught his drift, but I do see how you could have
interpreted his intentions differently. I did not want to start any
sub-thread about racism, so I opted not to comment on his phrasing, but
I hope this clears things up for you and others who may have mis-
interpreted his intentions (and I pray that I interpreted his
intentions correctly).
> So lets recap, I don't own GPL, so I'm obviously not one of thosepeople who
> think GPL is the end all. (I welcome flames for not owning GPL :))Secondly,
> I don't think I'm the only one who thinks MGPRS2 doesn't do as goodof a job
> as GPL in the physics model. If I offended anyone is a MGPRS2devotee, I OWN
> MGPRS2....
Well, at the risk of sounding too GPL-centric myself, you really should
consider picking up a copy -- it IS a classic, and it will be for years
to come. <G>
> Hmmm... well I suppose this should teach me, from now on to post onr.a.s.
> and leave the group for a couple days. I appreciate everyone's more
> civilized replied, including ymenard's which proves ALL FrenchCanadians
> can't be bad spellers... :)
LOL! I apologize if I offended -- your comments caught me on a bad
day, and I really have been feeling that r.a.s. IS a bit too GPL- and
Papy-oriented, especially when there are SO many other GREAT sims out
there. This may turn out to be the "golden era" of racing/driving
sims, in fact, and I'd hate to see many of the other current greats to
be overlooked simply because we can't tear ourselves away from GPL long
enough to see all the other great things going on around us.
> <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8hfcbc$auv$[email hidden]...
happening. In
> > > MGPRS2 it just seems like you spun out because your not very goodat
> > the
> > > game or something....
> >
> > When you spin out in Viper Racing, you know it's because of yourlack
> > of ability, you can se what and why, and you can feel the reasonthings
> > are happening. When you spin out in Need For Speed: PorscheUnleashed,
> > you know it's because of your lack of ability, you can se what andwhy,
> > and you can feel the reason things are happening. When you spinout in
> > F1 2000, you know it's because of your lack of ability, you can sewhat
> > and why, and you can feel the reason things are happening. When you
> > spin out in Dirt Track Racing, you know it's because of your lack of
> > ability, you can se what and why, and you can feel the reason things
> > are happening. Still, it all comes down to "but it's not GPL."Which
> > further proves, I suppose, that this forum is not GPL-centric . . .
> >
> > > So with that said, lets hope that r.a.s. is right, and the nextgames
> > will
> > > come along and give the same experience.
> >
> > Uh, yeah, what you said. In the meantime, thank God this forumisn't
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> > In article <H2A_4.152203$[email hidden]>, > > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > <SNIP> > > > > > When you spin out in GPL you know it's because of your lack of > > ability, you > > > can see what and why, you can feel the reason things areQuoted text (14 lines)
> > GPL-centric -- otherwise, we'd be in danger of missing out on some > > potentially-great sims, in the oh-so-unlikely event that one should > > come along, of course. > > > > </SARCASM></IRONY> > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > >I think you miss my point John, I said MGPRS2, with no mention of NFS PU,
Viper racing, DTR etc. I was just using GPL as an example. I think that Jo
Helson, who made his comments on this thread, should keep in mind that I
DON'T EVEN OWN GPL. If I were thinking that nothing will ever compare to
GPL, then I might want to go out and buy it.
So what the hell exactly is that that your talking about John when you make
these references to these other games?
And I'm also Interested in Jo's comments about comparing me to a racist. If
no offense were intended, then perhaps you shouldn't have said those words?
These were Jo Helson's words in case anyone missed them the first time
around (un-edited profanities included) "Maybe the comparison is a little
bit over the top, but Kai's message reminded me an awful lot of the "I'm not
a racist but I don't like niggers"-quote. If only they would paint them
_white_ (absolutely no offence intended)"
So lets recap, I don't own GPL, so I'm obviously not one of those people who
think GPL is the end all. (I welcome flames for not owning GPL :)) Secondly,
I don't think I'm the only one who thinks MGPRS2 doesn't do as good of a job
as GPL in the physics model. If I offended anyone is a MGPRS2 devotee, I OWN
MGPRS2....
Hmmm... well I suppose this should teach me, from now on to post on r.a.s.
and leave the group for a couple days. I appreciate everyone's more
civilized replied, including ymenard's which proves ALL French Canadians
can't be bad spellers... :)
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8hfcbc$auv$[email hidden]...
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> In article <H2A_4.152203$[email hidden]>, > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <SNIP> > > > When you spin out in GPL you know it's because of your lack of > ability, you > > can see what and why, you can feel the reason things are happening. In > > MGPRS2 it just seems like you spun out because your not very good at > the > > game or something.... > > When you spin out in Viper Racing, you know it's because of your lack > of ability, you can se what and why, and you can feel the reason things > are happening. When you spin out in Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed, > you know it's because of your lack of ability, you can se what and why, > and you can feel the reason things are happening. When you spin out in > F1 2000, you know it's because of your lack of ability, you can se what > and why, and you can feel the reason things are happening. When you > spin out in Dirt Track Racing, you know it's because of your lack of > ability, you can se what and why, and you can feel the reason things > are happening. Still, it all comes down to "but it's not GPL." Which > further proves, I suppose, that this forum is not GPL-centric . . . > > > So with that said, lets hope that r.a.s. is right, and the next games > will > > come along and give the same experience. > > Uh, yeah, what you said. In the meantime, thank God this forum isn't > GPL-centric -- otherwise, we'd be in danger of missing out on some > potentially-great sims, in the oh-so-unlikely event that one should > come along, of course. > > </SARCASM></IRONY> > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >> I brought of those other sims to illustrate that many other sims do
> many of the things that GPL does, and they do them very well; I didn't
> realize that you were merely comparing GPL to MGPRS2 in that
> instance.
Yes I was using GPL as an example of a games that does things well, and
MGPRS2, which does pretty mediocre job.
> Since you had mentioned so many other sims in your original post, I
> thought that you were alluding to the fact that NO sim did what you
> described as well as GPL, when in fact, you were simply saying that
> MGPRS2 did not do these things well.
where in fact my point was that these new games coming up the pike (not even
considering the other current games which would just as good of a signpost
as GPL, if not quite as infamous..) will match what GPL has done.
> I don't believe he was comparing YOU to a racist, but, rather, the
> COMMENT about r.a.s. not being GPL-centric. The comment Jo was talking
> about is pretty much a racist joke in and of itself
Yws, I see where he was, but wsasn't all that keen on my use of words being
comapred to that of racist, saying that I have the same rrhetoric. I don't
think either GWB or Gore would like trhat being said about them, an neither
would I.
I really have been feeling that r.a.s. IS a bit too GPL- and
> Papy-oriented, especially when there are SO many other GREAT sims out
> there.
My main point was that I see the tides changing, and I think r.a.s. will
evetually givwe all the other sims the credit deserved.
> >
>
>
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> Before you buy.
"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Hmmm... well I suppose this should teach me, from now on to post on r.a.s.
> and leave the group for a couple days. I appreciate everyone's more
> civilized replied, including ymenard's which proves ALL French Canadians
> can't be bad spellers... :)
No Im not "French-Canadian"... aghhhhhh don't say that anymore!!! ;)
Cmon Pete! ;-P
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
Ok I'll call you Swedish from now on... :)
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> "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Hmmm... well I suppose this should teach me, from now on to post onr.a.s.
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
>
>
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