What's cooking in Noonans' kitchen?

Well, what shall we do now? --DK

It's been a while since we've heard something about the man. I wonder what he's going to come up with next. Is he the one,... (Yes he is the One but that's not what I'm trying to say here, so I'll continue my sentence) Is he the one that's working on Suzuka? Alison? Ed? Phil? You guys know more don't you?

Tim Vanhee wrote: > > It's been a while since we've heard something about the man. I wonder what > he's going to come up with next. Is he the one,... (Yes he is the One but > that's not what I'm trying to say here, so I'll continue my sentence) Is he > the one that's working on Suzuka? Alison? Ed? Phil? You guys know more don't > you? Yes, we do ! Muahaahahahahahaaaa. Phil (sorry ;-)

Phil Flack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Tim Vanhee wrote: > > > > It's been a while since we've heard something about the man. I wonderwhat > > he's going to come up with next. Is he the one,... (Yes he is the Onebut > > that's not what I'm trying to say here, so I'll continue my sentence) Ishe > > the one that's working on Suzuka? Alison? Ed? Phil? You guys know moredon't

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<G> That approach is fine by me. I'd much rather be pleasantly surprised with a quality release than be disappointed by an overhyped POS or vaporware. I think we all know what that refers to.

that's real cruel ;-) "Phil Flack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Tim Vanhee wrote: > > > > It's been a while since we've heard something about the man. I wonderwhat > > he's going to come up with next. Is he the one,... (Yes he is the Onebut > > that's not what I'm trying to say here, so I'll continue my sentence) Ishe > > the one that's working on Suzuka? Alison? Ed? Phil? You guys know moredon't

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10pm on a Friday night? well he's probably just come from a night at the pub, so he'll maybe not of cooked anything in his kitchen, he'll maybe phone for a pizza. -- Thanks, Tim Wheatley. [email hidden] www.timwheatley.co.uk http://legends.sports-gaming.com www.the-mighty-8th.com www.elite-4.com "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0RVS4.34237$[email hidden]... > It's been a while since we've heard something about the man. I wonder what > he's going to come up with next. Is he the one,... (Yes he is the One but > that's not what I'm trying to say here, so I'll continue my sentence) Is he > the one that's working on Suzuka? Alison? Ed? Phil? You guys know more don't > you? > >

Well, what shall we do now? --DK "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vq_S4.2234$[email hidden]... > 10pm on a Friday night? well he's probably just come from a night at the > pub, so he'll maybe not of cooked anything in his kitchen, he'll maybephone > for a pizza. > > -- > Thanks, > > Tim Wheatley.

David Karr wrote: > > Well, what shall we do now? Well, my choices seem to be limited to either Panicking or order a Pizza...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Tue, 16 May 2000 08:11:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: Save this response for all further enquires, perhaps a dedicated link on Deja would be in order!

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>you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! >JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! >GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? > >GPAL GPAL GJEEEPEEEELLL TONIGHT!!! >And later that evening: Oepsiedoepsie, there's a teensyweensy little >problem with the installer, this will take me a couple of hours to fix >it. > >And a couple of hours later: NOTHING! >And a couple of days later: NOOTTHHIIINGGGG!!!!! >And a couple of months later: NOOOOOTTTHHHIIIIINNNNGGGGGG!!!!!! >And now, allmost a year later: STIL >NUUUUUUUTTTHHHIIIINNGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >And when people started to worry, asking if Jack became ill or >something, our great leader suddenly reappeared: >People, I, Jack Rambo, am doing fine, but I'm too busy to work on GPaL >right now. > >IT WAS ONLY A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THE INSTALLER HE SAID! > >HE PROMISED! > >Jack Rambo: PLONK PLONK PLONK!!! > >GPAL IS VAPORWARE! GPAL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY! JACK RAMBO LIED! >GPAL WAS THE BIGGEST LIE SINCE WATERGATE! A LIAR LIKE RAMBO SHOULD >SHOULD... > >people, my heart... >can anyone call 911 please? >now? > >And.. > > > > >On Mon, 15 May 2000 21:11:16 GMT, "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>What, do you mean about GPAL? What about GPAL? Is GPAL something Andre gets >>in a tizzy about? >>A simple thing like GPAL? >> >>-- >> >>Colin Harris >>ColinHarris in N3/NL >> >>http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm >>ICQ 25485061 >> >>EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> In article <[email hidden]>, >>> [email hidden] (Rikanthrax) writes: >>> >>> > >>> >GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>> >?? >>> >What is this GPAL? >>> > >>> > >>> >Rik Anthrax >>> > - >>> >>> Uh oh, Andre is gonna have KITTENS... :) >>> <ducking> >>> >>> Eldred >> >> >>

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Rikanthrax) writes:

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Uh oh, Andre is gonna have KITTENS... :) <ducking> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.?? What is this GPAL? Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

On Fri, 12 May 2000 15:21:07 -0400, "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote: ><G> That approach is fine by me. I'd much rather be pleasantly surprised >with a quality release than be disappointed by an overhyped POS or >vaporware. I think we all know what that refers to. Don't you even dare mention it.... Andre

GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 . I'd much rather be pleasantly surprised > >with a quality release than be disappointed by an overhyped POS or > >vaporware. I think we all know what that refers to. > > Don't you even dare mention it.... > > Andre

> On Fri, 12 May 2000 15:21:07 -0400, "Gault" > ><G> That approach is fine by me. I'd much rather be pleasantly surprised > >with a quality release than be disappointed by an overhyped POS or > >vaporware. I think we all know what that refers to. > Don't you even dare mention it.... Hehe... I wouldn't dare. :-)

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 12 May 2000 15:21:07 -0400, "Gault" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ><G> That approach is fine by me. I'd much rather be pleasantlysurprised > >with a quality release than be disappointed by an overhyped POS or > >vaporware. I think we all know what that refers to. > > Don't you even dare mention it.... Hehe... I wouldn't dare. :-)

"Rikanthrax" wrote: > GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > ?? > What is this GPAL? Muuuuaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha!!!!! -- Ed_ The GPLEAMGD

What, do you mean about GPAL? What about GPAL? Is GPAL something Andre gets in a tizzy about? A simple thing like GPAL? -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Rikanthrax) writes: > > > > >GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > >?? > >What is this GPAL? > > > > > >Rik Anthrax > > - > > Uh oh, Andre is gonna have KITTENS... :) > <ducking> > > Eldred

ROFL!! Andre Warringa wrote: > you.... you.... [great stuff snipped] > > people, my heart... > can anyone call 911 please? > now? > > And..

> Give People A Lookin, old chap, because Good Programs Are Like rare things. > Get. Possibly, A Life. Go Pickup A Lady and Generally Please Activate Logic, > or the next thing you know you'll be seeing GPAL wherever you go. I'm > worried for you, buddy.... Hmmm.... Do I see some kind of subliminal message here? :) Folco ======================================================================== Folco Banfi -- Universite de Fribourg -- Institut d'Informatique Chemin du Musee 3 - 1700 Fribourg - Switzerland - Tel.+41.26.300.84.75 http://www-iiuf.unifr.ch/~banfi - e-mail: [email hidden] ========================================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) writes: >Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL >community something for free. Can you say the same? Can you >also prove that Jack is a liar? I've had situations where my HD >blew up just before deadline, only to discover that the backup >software was buggy as hell. > What's NTT? I never heard of it.

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>I know your reply is all in jest, but I've seen the reactions during >GPaL development, and I wouldn't have released GPaL in the >first place if I were Jack. To be honest, this joke went much too far, >and is _very_ pathetic. > >Remco >

So, only prople who have given something to the community can complain about poor planning/management/etc? You can only complain if you've DONE it? So most people couldn't complain about the way their car is built, or their computer, or TV. After all, we've never built one. Sorry, but I think that's bull. Anybody has the right to voice their opinion. To have it any other way sounds elitist... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! >JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! >GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? > >GPAL GPAL GJEEEPEEEELLL TONIGHT!!! >And later that evening: Oepsiedoepsie, there's a teensyweensy little >problem with the installer, this will take me a couple of hours to fix >it. > >And a couple of hours later: NOTHING! >And a couple of days later: NOOTTHHIIINGGGG!!!!! >And a couple of months later: NOOOOOTTTHHHIIIIINNNNGGGGGG!!!!!! >And now, allmost a year later: STIL >NUUUUUUUTTTHHHIIIINNGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >

We have liftoff.... :) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? GPAL GPAL GJEEEPEEEELLL TONIGHT!!! And later that evening: Oepsiedoepsie, there's a teensyweensy little problem with the installer, this will take me a couple of hours to fix it. And a couple of hours later: NOTHING! And a couple of days later: NOOTTHHIIINGGGG!!!!! And a couple of months later: NOOOOOTTTHHHIIIIINNNNGGGGGG!!!!!! And now, allmost a year later: STIL NUUUUUUUTTTHHHIIIINNGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And when people started to worry, asking if Jack became ill or something, our great leader suddenly reappeared: People, I, Jack Rambo, am doing fine, but I'm too busy to work on GPaL right now. IT WAS ONLY A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THE INSTALLER HE SAID! HE PROMISED! Jack Rambo: PLONK PLONK PLONK!!! GPAL IS VAPORWARE! GPAL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY! JACK RAMBO LIED! GPAL WAS THE BIGGEST LIE SINCE WATERGATE! A LIAR LIKE RAMBO SHOULD SHOULD... people, my heart... can anyone call 911 please? now? And.. On Mon, 15 May 2000 21:11:16 GMT, "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What, do you mean about GPAL? What about GPAL? Is GPAL something Andre gets >in a tizzy about? >A simple thing like GPAL? > >-- > >Colin Harris >ColinHarris in N3/NL > >http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm >ICQ 25485061 > >EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] (Rikanthrax) writes: >> >> > >> >GPAL, GPAL, GPAL..... >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >> >?? >> >What is this GPAL? >> > >> > >> >Rik Anthrax >> > - >> >> Uh oh, Andre is gonna have KITTENS... :) >> <ducking> >> >> Eldred > > >

Andre Warringa wrote: > > you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! > JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! > GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? ..etc.... ROTFLMAO Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I take it your were _REALLY_ looking forward to that utility Andre? <vwg> Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! > JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! > GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? > > <snip>

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>Moedt) writes: >>Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL >>community something for free. Can you say the same? Can you >>also prove that Jack is a liar? I've had situations where my HD >>blew up just before deadline, only to discover that the backup >>software was buggy as hell. >What's NTT? I never heard of it.

Nail That Track. It was an online league with drivers from all of the World....very popular. There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too much... Remco

Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL community something for free. Can you say the same? Can you also prove that Jack is a liar? I've had situations where my HD blew up just before deadline, only to discover that the backup software was buggy as hell. I know your reply is all in jest, but I've seen the reactions during GPaL development, and I wouldn't have released GPaL in the first place if I were Jack. To be honest, this joke went much too far, and is _very_ pathetic. Remco [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD!

Hey, Andre... Give People A Lookin, old chap, because Good Programs Are Like rare things. Get. Possibly, A Life. Go Pickup A Lady and Generally Please Activate Logic, or the next thing you know you'll be seeing GPAL wherever you go. I'm worried for you, buddy.... -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco >Moedt) writes: > >>Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL >>community something for free. Can you say the same? Can you >>also prove that Jack is a liar? I've had situations where my HD >>blew up just before deadline, only to discover that the backup >>software was buggy as hell. >> > >What's NTT? I never heard of it.

Nail That Track. It was an online league with drivers from all of the World....very popular.

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> >>I know your reply is all in jest, but I've seen the reactions during >>GPaL development, and I wouldn't have released GPaL in the >>first place if I were Jack. To be honest, this joke went much too far, >>and is _very_ pathetic. >> >>Remco >> > >So, only prople who have given something to the community can complain about >poor planning/management/etc? You can only complain if you've DONE it? So >most people couldn't complain about the way their car is built, or their >computer, or TV. After all, we've never built one. Sorry, but I think that's >bull. Anybody has the right to voice their opinion. To have it any other way >sounds elitist...

There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too much... Remco

Andre Warringa wrote: > > you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! > JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! > GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? <snip> So tell us Andre, how do you *really* feel about this whole GPaL affair? <g> -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Remco Moedt wrote: > There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a > liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is > an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... > > Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too > much... OK, I'll bite. What would *you* call him then? -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

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>Remco Moedt wrote: >> There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a >> liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is >> an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... >> >> Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too >> much... > >OK, I'll bite. What would *you* call him then?

An optimist... Remco

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! > JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! > GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? HeY. Cool it Andrea. Give the guy a break. Did you stop to consider the possibility that the guy died in a bizzare gardening accident? MS

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Technically, Jack IS a liar. He said that GPal would be out on a certain >date. >> It wasn't. That makes him a liar. > >Nope. You're a liar if you KNOW that what you say isn't true. In >Jack's case, you can't prove it... > > >> A fraud is someone who promises something >>they can't (or won't) deliver. Again, that description DOES fit Jack. > >Nope again. A fraud is someone who is doing it on purpose. Again, you >can't prove this in Jack's case... > >Remco

Uh, you can be sued for fraud(in the US anyway) if you don't deliver what you promised. Whether it's on purpose or not doesn't matter. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I see Andre's comments as a running joke we have aroung here... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <lSjU4.1506$[email hidden]>, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! >> JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! >> GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? > > >HeY. Cool it Andrea. Give the guy a break. Did you stop to consider the >possibility that the guy died in a bizzare gardening accident? > >MS

Actually, someone brought up the idea that Jack could have been met some misfortune. There was genuine concern from a few people who actually hadn't thought of that, myself and Andre included. But Jack popped up on the group, said he was fine, but just hadn't had time to 'finish' the program. Then he vanished again. Others offered to help, or even take over development, but never heard anything, AFAIK. Who knows anymore...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>So, only prople who have given something to the community can complain about >>poor planning/management/etc? You can only complain if you've DONE it? So >>most people couldn't complain about the way their car is built, or their >>computer, or TV. After all, we've never built one. Sorry, but I think >that's >>bull. Anybody has the right to voice their opinion. To have it any other >way >>sounds elitist... > >There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a >liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is >an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... > >Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too >much... > >Remco

Technically, Jack IS a liar. He said that GPal would be out on a certain date. It wasn't. That makes him a liar. A fraud is someone who promises something they can't (or won't) deliver. Again, that description DOES fit Jack. Now the reasons WHY it isn't out can be speculated about and discussed, but both points are currently factual and correct. Personally, I've written the program off. If it ever sees the light of day, and does what was promised, I'll be one of the first people offering congrats, thanks, whatever. I'm not holding my breath, though. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote: > HeY. Cool it Andrea. Give the guy a break. Did you stop to consider the > possibility that the guy died in a bizzare gardening accident? I had considered that myself but he's been heard from since, which is where the hard drive failure story came from. But hasn't this all been hashed over before? It should be part of a FAQ or something.

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> > Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Remco Moedt wrote: > >> There is nothing wrong with complaining. But Andre is calling Jack a > >> liar and a fraud. The first thing can't be proven, and the second is > >> an insult without any base, since Jack never asked any money... > >> > >> Yes, Jack overhyped GPaL. But calling him a liar and fraud is too > >> much... > > > >OK, I'll bite. What would *you* call him then? > > An optimist... > > Remco

Hehehe. I'll respect that. With an attitude like yours, I think the term optimist applies to you as well. :-) -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Oh come on Remco, it was all in good fun. I was looking forward to GPaL, and I was very disappointed after the release date got delayed a couple of times (understandable) and that suddenly Jack disappeared without letting us know what would happen to GPaL (not understandable after he hyped it so much). I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me that there only was a problem with the installerer, and that it would took him a couple of hours extra to solve that problem. Last thing I heard from him, he also never replied to my emails after that. Maybe Jack was too optimistic and realized that he promised us a little bit too much, that he couldn't make his promises become reality, but disappearing from the scene after all the hype was without any style, and was asking for reactions like these. If he simple would have admitted that he couldn't finish GPaL, for whatever reason, everybody would have understand, and I'm sure many would have offered help to finish GPaL. I can understand your reaction, calling Jack a liar and a fraud sounds harsh, but I hope you can understand my reaction when people still ask about GPaL, people stumble upon the GPaL site (GPaL is allmost finished, sign the mailing list!) and keep asking about it, while Jack doesn't appear here anymore. Your statement that I can't comment on the whole GPaL case because I didn't release something for the GPL community (I think I offer my help often enough actually) doesn't make any sense to me at all by the way. That would mean that people only can comment on racing sims when they have released a racing sim themselves... Andre On Tue, 16 May 2000 12:19:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote:

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> > >Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL >community something for free. Can you say the same? Can you >also prove that Jack is a liar? I've had situations where my HD >blew up just before deadline, only to discover that the backup >software was buggy as hell. > >I know your reply is all in jest, but I've seen the reactions during >GPaL development, and I wouldn't have released GPaL in the >first place if I were Jack. To be honest, this joke went much too far, >and is _very_ pathetic. > >Remco > > >[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > >>JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! >

>>>>> "Andre" == Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: [GPaL] Andre> I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me Andre> that there only was a problem with the installerer, and Did you test any version at all? If it was just the installer I guess the program itself was almost ready? Just curious... -peter

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>>>>>> "Andre" == Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: > >[GPaL] > Andre> I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me > Andre> that there only was a problem with the installerer, and > >Did you test any version at all? If it was just the installer I guess >the program itself was almost ready? Just curious...

No, I never tested any version. I can't remember exactly what the planning was, but as far as I can recall Jack would mail a couple of people, including me, a copy of GPaL before it was released to the public, to do some quick beta testing on various systems. On the evening when we should receive the beta version, he mailed us all that it would take him a couple of hours to fix a little problem with the installer, and that he would mail it within 4 (or so) hours. I stayed up until 7 AM, checking my mail every 5 minutes... I got just a little bit mad when I never heard from him after that... Andre > >-peter

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Technically, Jack IS a liar. He said that GPal would be out on a certain date. > It wasn't. That makes him a liar. Nope. You're a liar if you KNOW that what you say isn't true. In Jack's case, you can't prove it... > A fraud is someone who promises something >they can't (or won't) deliver. Again, that description DOES fit Jack. Nope again. A fraud is someone who is doing it on purpose. Again, you can't prove this in Jack's case... Remco

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >Oh come on Remco, it was all in good fun. I was looking forward to >GPaL, and I was very disappointed after the release date got delayed a >couple of times (understandable) and that suddenly Jack disappeared >without letting us know what would happen to GPaL (not understandable >after he hyped it so much). He did explain the situation here... (In short, he said his harddrive collapsed. He lost all his source code) >I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me that there >only was a problem with the installerer, and that it would took him a >couple of hours extra to solve that problem. Last thing I heard from >him, he also never replied to my emails after that. He should have answered you, I agree with that.

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>Maybe Jack was too optimistic and realized that he promised us a >little bit too much, that he couldn't make his promises become >reality, but disappearing from the scene after all the hype was >without any style, and was asking for reactions like these. >If he simple would have admitted that he couldn't finish GPaL, for >whatever reason, everybody would have understand, and I'm sure many >would have offered help to finish GPaL.

I agree that after all this hype Jack should have been more clear. But I believe there were major problems in Jack's personal life. >I can understand your reaction, calling Jack a liar and a fraud sounds >harsh, but I hope you can understand my reaction when people still ask >about GPaL, people stumble upon the GPaL site (GPaL is allmost >finished, sign the mailing list!) and keep asking about it, while Jack >doesn't appear here anymore. Here I disagree, since you can't prove that Jack is a liar and/or fraud. IMO you may attack Jack's PR approach, but telling lies is going too far. Don't forget that this is a public forum. >Your statement that I can't comment on the whole GPaL case because I >didn't release something for the GPL community (I think I offer my >help often enough actually) doesn't make any sense to me at all by the >way. That would mean that people only can comment on racing sims when >they have released a racing sim themselves... Actually, I didn't say such a thing. Remco

On Wed, 17 May 2000 11:33:11 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > >He did explain the situation here... (In short, he said his >harddrive collapsed. He lost all his source code) He said there was only a little problem with the installer, and after a couple of weeks he told us that his hard drive collapsed and that he lost all his backups. I never believed this. Can't prove it, just a wild guess, but it all seemed like a big excuse.

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> >>I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me that there >>only was a problem with the installerer, and that it would took him a >>couple of hours extra to solve that problem. Last thing I heard from >>him, he also never replied to my emails after that. > >He should have answered you, I agree with that.

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> >>Maybe Jack was too optimistic and realized that he promised us a >>little bit too much, that he couldn't make his promises become >>reality, but disappearing from the scene after all the hype was >>without any style, and was asking for reactions like these. >>If he simple would have admitted that he couldn't finish GPaL, for >>whatever reason, everybody would have understand, and I'm sure many >>would have offered help to finish GPaL. > >I agree that after all this hype Jack should have been more clear. But >I believe there were major problems in Jack's personal life.

He was too busy with his new job he said to be precize. Again, in his last mail he sent me, he told me that GPaL was ready, and that he only had to sort out the installer problem. That should be possible in a year, even if you have such a busy job?

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> >>I can understand your reaction, calling Jack a liar and a fraud sounds >>harsh, but I hope you can understand my reaction when people still ask >>about GPaL, people stumble upon the GPaL site (GPaL is allmost >>finished, sign the mailing list!) and keep asking about it, while Jack >>doesn't appear here anymore. > >Here I disagree, since you can't prove that Jack is a liar and/or >fraud. IMO you may attack Jack's PR approach, but telling lies is >going too far. Don't forget that this is a public forum.

GPaL Tonight!!! No GPaL Tonight!!! What's that? Call it what you want, a fake promise, too much positivity, or a lie...

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> >>Your statement that I can't comment on the whole GPaL case because I >>didn't release something for the GPL community (I think I offer my >>help often enough actually) doesn't make any sense to me at all by the >>way. That would mean that people only can comment on racing sims when >>they have released a racing sim themselves... > >Actually, I didn't say such a thing.

You said: Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL community something for free. Can you say the same? Ok, I didn't give something to the GPL community (except my help), so what? If you didn't mean 'shut up Andre, we didn't get anything from you, so don't start about GPaL', what did you mean by this? Andre > >Remco >

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>You said: >Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL >community something for free. Can you say the same? > >Ok, I didn't give something to the GPL community (except my help), so >what? If you didn't mean 'shut up Andre, we didn't get anything from >you, so don't start about GPaL', what did you mean by this?

I meant, it can be very frustrating to create something for free, only to be critizised...you only know how that feels when you've been in that situation yourself. BTW, I'm not defending Jack's actions here. I just thought that calling Jack a liar and fraud in public isn't fun anymore.... Remco

On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:34:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >I meant, it can be very frustrating to create something for free, only >to be critizised...you only know how that feels when you've been in >that situation yourself. Ok, I didn't understand that you meant it that way. I can imagine very well how that would be. Yet, if Jack would have handled things differently (sorry guys, I promised too much, can't hold those promises) it would have been a completely different story than the way he handled things now (ie not responding at all). >BTW, I'm not defending Jack's actions here. I just thought that >calling Jack a liar and fraud in public isn't fun anymore.... Ok, that was a little bit out of line (just a little bit, mind you). Jack was a nice fellow, one of the more prominent figures in the GPL scene. I just can't understand why he doesn't respond here on RAS at all. He knows people are waiting and wondering about GPaL, no matter how busy he is, surely he can tell us something? By the way, he posted this post on 22/9/99: I understand that there has been some speculation, but does anybody know whatever happened to that GPaL thing? Thanks in advance. ;) Jack Rambo REALLY annoyed me, especially since he didn't post anything after that message... You know Remco, every night when I go to sleep, I hear these Southpark-like voices whispering in my ear... gjeepaaal gjeeepaaal gjeeeepaaaal... it driving me nuts man! Andre >Remco >

Fraud is: 1. The intentional misrepresentation of a material fact. 2. Made for the purpose of a specific person relying on it. 3. That specific person did, in fact rely on it. 4. By relying on it, that specific person suffered a loss. These four elements must be present to prove fraud "in the U.S.". Bill Yowell EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco > Moedt) writes: > > >[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > >>Technically, Jack IS a liar. He said that GPal would be out on a certain > >date. > >> It wasn't. That makes him a liar. > > > >Nope. You're a liar if you KNOW that what you say isn't true. In > >Jack's case, you can't prove it... > > > > > >> A fraud is someone who promises something > >>they can't (or won't) deliver. Again, that description DOES fit Jack. > > > >Nope again. A fraud is someone who is doing it on purpose. Again, you > >can't prove this in Jack's case... > > > >Remco > > Uh, you can be sued for fraud(in the US anyway) if you don't deliver what you > promised. Whether it's on purpose or not doesn't matter. We'll just have to > agree to disagree on this. I see Andre's comments as a running joke we have > aroung here... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hehe. I was joking of course. Does anyone remember the first drummer in Spinal Tap dying in his horticultural haven. I believe all of the others spontaneously combusted. I did actually see Jack on VROC not so long ago. Wonder if he runs under an assumed name these days? The guy lost all credability simply by his lack of honest openness. MS "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <lSjU4.1506$[email hidden]>, "m.seery" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> you.... you.... YOU BASTARD!!! > >> JACK RAMBO IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD! > >> GPaL WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A REST OK???? > > > > > >HeY. Cool it Andrea. Give the guy a break. Did you stop to consider the > >possibility that the guy died in a bizzare gardening accident? > > > >MS > > Actually, someone brought up the idea that Jack could have been met some > misfortune. There was genuine concern from a few people who actually

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> never heard anything, AFAIK. Who knows anymore...? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Fraud is: >1. The intentional misrepresentation of a material fact. >2. Made for the purpose of a specific person relying on it. >3. That specific person did, in fact rely on it. >4. By relying on it, that specific person suffered a loss. > >These four elements must be present to prove fraud "in the U.S.". >Bill Yowell > > >EldredP wrote: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(Remco >> Moedt) writes: >> >> >[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> > >> >>Technically, Jack IS a liar. He said that GPal would be out on a certain >> >date. >> >> It wasn't. That makes him a liar. >> > >> >Nope. You're a liar if you KNOW that what you say isn't true. In >> >Jack's case, you can't prove it... >> > >> > >> >> A fraud is someone who promises something >> >>they can't (or won't) deliver. Again, that description DOES fit Jack. >> > >> >Nope again. A fraud is someone who is doing it on purpose. Again, you >> >can't prove this in Jack's case... >> > >> >Remco >> >> Uh, you can be sued for fraud(in the US anyway) if you don't deliver what >you >> promised. Whether it's on purpose or not doesn't matter. We'll just have >to >> agree to disagree on this. I see Andre's comments as a running joke we have >> aroung here... >> >> Eldred

Ok, FINE - forget it. Nobody's going to sue, and you know that. Some people don't have a problem with how Jack handled this, some(including myself) do. Shit happens - put away your 'law' books... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What was GPAL meant to be? What did it contain? Or more > accuratly what was it supposed to contain? You're picking at old scabs, friend. :-)

http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ Don't forget to subscribe to the mailing list to be one of the first to get it! Andre On Wed, 17 May 2000 20:57:52 -0700, Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote: >What was GPAL meant to be? What did it contain? Or more >accuratly what was it supposed to contain? > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >

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> By the way, he posted this post on 22/9/99: > > I understand that there has been some speculation, but does anybody > know whatever happened to that GPaL thing? > > Thanks in advance. ;) > > Jack Rambo > > REALLY annoyed me, especially since he didn't post anything after that > message...

I forgot what GPAL was intended to do. Can someone refresh my memory? -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

You're picking at old scabs, friend. :-)

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> By the way, he posted this post on 22/9/99: >> >> I understand that there has been some speculation, but does anybody >> know whatever happened to that GPaL thing? >> >> Thanks in advance. ;) >> >> Jack Rambo >> >> REALLY annoyed me, especially since he didn't post anything after that >> message... > >I forgot what GPAL was intended to do. Can someone refresh my memory?

http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ You people really are doing this just to drive me crazy, aren't you? Andre

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> > >-- >========================================================= >Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) > http://www.members.home.net/jms1/index.html >Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) > http://members.home.net/jsimm/diecast_index.html >DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > >If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown >above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. >=========================================================

"Andre Warringa" wrote: > > http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ > > You people really are doing this just to drive me crazy, aren't you? Damn! 'Fun's all over Gents... he's on to us... :) Ed_

I'm in a minority that feel sorry for Jack. He was close(ish) to completing what looked a useful utility then circumstances changed & he wasn't able to devote the time to finish it. Once his self imposed deadlined was missed he appeared too embarassed to appear on RAS. Once it was clear he had to devote his time elsewhere, GPaL was so delayed that RAS turned against him. Without the resources of a games developer who does it for a LIVING to complete it he was hounded off of RAS as some sort of villain - too shamed to contribute as he had before. For sure he could have handled it differently but perhaps his perfectionism and belief that he had let down the GPL community forced him into a self imposed exile and silence in response to the stream of questions as to its development. For sure shit happens - but lets put it into perspective. A GPL enthusiast promises a utility written as a hobby for no reward. When life takes a twist & he fails to complete it his "buddies" in the community call him a liar & a fraud and he is no longer welcome. Hardly the most understanding approach. The fact that the GPaL still does the rounds suggests either Jack had a good idea or is a handy joke topic to throw in when nothing else is going on. The latter seems a shade harsh but unfortunately is probably our world here in RAS. Aggression tends to fail to gain co-operation in my experience. Then again I happen to have had the pleasure of exchanging many e-mails with Jack over prior to his disapperance from the GPL scene which I guess either clouds or sharpens my judgement depending on your point of view. Tony > > Ok, FINE - forget it. Nobody's going to sue, and you know that. Somepeople > don't have a problem with how Jack handled this, some(including myself)do. > Shit happens - put away your 'law' books... > > Eldred

Didn't one of the members of Toto die of an alergic reaction to something in his garden? Talk about life being starnger than fiction! Chris In article <MbBU4.2232$86.37052@news2- win.server.ntlworld.com>, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hehe. > >I was joking of course. Does anyone remember the first drummerin Spinal Tap >dying in his horticultural haven. I believe all of the othersspontaneously >combusted. > >I did actually see Jack on VROC not so long ago. Wonder if heruns under an >assumed name these days? >The guy lost all credability simply by his lack of honestopenness. > >MS >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <lSjU4.1506$86.22541@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "m.seery"

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OK???? >> > >> > >> >HeY. Cool it Andrea. Give the guy a break. Did you stop toconsider the >> >possibility that the guy died in a bizzare gardeningaccident? >> > >> >MS >> >> Actually, someone brought up the idea that Jack could havebeen met some >> misfortune. There was genuine concern from a few people whoactually >hadn't >> thought of that, myself and Andre included. But Jack poppedup on the >group, >> said he was fine, but just hadn't had time to 'finish' theprogram. Then >he >> vanished again. Others offered to help, or even take overdevelopment,

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Thanks Andre. All this GPaL stuff makes a bit more sense now. I don't quite understand the point of the 1:13 laps at Monaco though? Chris In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >http://www.hyperstart.com/GPaL/ > >Don't forget to subscribe to the mailing list to be one of thefirst

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I remember the Nail That track thing Jack used to do , and at one time it was so popular that there were people waiting outside the race in case there was an opening, I don't even remember what gpal was supposed to do , it would've have been a bonus whatever it's purpose , it is distressing to see people attack an individual who gave his time when it was available to give , I personally hope he and his family are well and prosperous. Jeff Eiland aka Viman #51 Georgia Boot Ford Member of Paladin Racing "The Knights of the Round Track" http://www.paladinracing.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XxXU4.690$[email hidden]... > I'm in a minority that feel sorry for Jack. > > He was close(ish) to completing what looked a useful utility then > circumstances changed & he wasn't able to devote the time to finish it. > > Once his self imposed deadlined was missed he appeared too embarassed to > appear on RAS. > > Once it was clear he had to devote his time elsewhere, GPaL was so delayed > that RAS turned against him. > > Without the resources of a games developer who does it for a LIVING to > complete it he was hounded off of RAS as some sort of villain - too shamed > to contribute as he had before. > > For sure he could have handled it differently but perhaps his perfectionism > and belief that he had let down the GPL community forced him into a self > imposed exile and silence in response to the stream of questions as to its > development. > > For sure shit happens - but lets put it into perspective. A GPL enthusiast > promises a utility written as a hobby for no reward. When life takes a twist > & he fails to complete it his "buddies" in the community call him a liar & a > fraud and he is no longer welcome. > > Hardly the most understanding approach. > > The fact that the GPaL still does the rounds suggests either Jack had a good > idea or is a handy joke topic to throw in when nothing else is going on. The > latter seems a shade harsh but unfortunately is probably our world here in > RAS. > > Aggression tends to fail to gain co-operation in my experience. > > Then again I happen to have had the pleasure of exchanging many e-mails with > Jack over prior to his disapperance from the GPL scene which I guess either > clouds or sharpens my judgement depending on your point of view. > > Tony > > > > > Ok, FINE - forget it. Nobody's going to sue, and you know that. Some > people > > don't have a problem with how Jack handled this, some(including myself) > do. > > Shit happens - put away your 'law' books... > > > > Eldred > > >

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NDiV4.2891$[email hidden]... > The NTT series was sorely missed as a genuine world championship, and Jack > made many friends on RAS in the process - many will remember those NTT > announcements, and the NTT races had a popularity seldom equalled. > > Tony I'd forgotten how good Jack's race reports were during those days. His efforts in the early days of VROC helped build the GPL community we enjoy today. What surprises me is that no one else has released a similar program. By the number of posts every time GPaL is mentioned, there is still interest in a something of this sort. I'd pay for a single interface that would allow me to pick and choose tracks, chassis, race type, graphic options, etc. -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error."

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>I'm in a minority that feel sorry for Jack. > >He was close(ish) to completing what looked a useful utility then >circumstances changed & he wasn't able to devote the time to finish it. > >Once his self imposed deadlined was missed he appeared too embarassed to >appear on RAS. > >Once it was clear he had to devote his time elsewhere, GPaL was so delayed >that RAS turned against him. >

Not necessarily against JACK, but against his methods. People just got pissed off because he VANISHED. It started as confusion, then turned to concern for his well being. People didn't actually get ANGRY for a while. If you choose to ignore the first two reactions, and only concentrate on the third, then I can't help you. >Without the resources of a games developer who does it for a LIVING to >complete it he was hounded off of RAS as some sort of villain - too shamed >to contribute as he had before. Actually, I don't know WHAT he does for a living. I'm impressed by any of the people who have contributed ideas & programs for our enjoyment. > >For sure he could have handled it differently but perhaps his perfectionism >and belief that he had let down the GPL community forced him into a self >imposed exile and silence in response to the stream of questions as to its >development. I have no control over his mindset, neither does anyone else here... > >For sure shit happens - but lets put it into perspective. A GPL enthusiast >promises a utility written as a hobby for no reward. When life takes a twist >& he fails to complete it his "buddies" in the community call him a liar & a >fraud and he is no longer welcome. I've already stated that I'd be among the first with a 'virtual' pat on the back if he finished it. > >Hardly the most understanding approach. Several people offered to help finish the project. Others(like me) who don't have many programming skills offered to beta-test the program. Personally, I feel that there are MANY people in this newsgroup who have the talent to do something like this. Why doesn't he release what he's done(code, notes, etc) so that others could continue? The utility was going to be free, so Jack wouldn't be losing any compensation. I'm sure he could copyright(or whatever) what he has to be assured of getting the credit due. Well??? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

nono! the fun is just beginning... Say..Andre...? Did you hear the one about how GPAL will make GPL the sim of the YEAR? dave henrie Ed Solheim wrote:

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"EldredP" wrote > > > Several people offered to help finish the project. Others(like me) whodon't > have many programming skills offered to beta-test the program.Personally, I > feel that there are MANY people in this newsgroup who have the talent todo > something like this. Why doesn't he release what he's done(code, notes,etc) > so that others could continue? The utility was going to be free, so Jack > wouldn't be losing any compensation. I'm sure he could copyright(orwhatever) > what he has to be assured of getting the credit due. My understanding is life took such a twist for Jack that hobbies were put on hold - firmly in the belief that they would be picked back up. My further understanding is that pressures on time took an even further twist & he was oblivious to the posts on RAS. After running NTT he probably had a mailbox full to ignore as well. Sometimes life gets in the way of our sims :) > Well??? Who knows Eldred? Tony

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Wll as you rightly point out the initial reaction wasn't anger. After the enforced(?) period of silence if Jack did have an opportunity to revisit RAS then the reaction to the whole GPaL launch was less than friendly in some quarters. I've probably said more than enough :) NTT - the infamous Nail The Track series - initially with invited drivers from around the world, it culminated in a mad fortnight when Jack ran three series - America, Europe and Australasia. The series ran with registered drivers with heats and finals in each series. The aim was to create a world auto sim association whose drivers were all licensed and the races governed by appointed officials of the said body. The three series would evolve to a world final. The concept was to treat sim racing in the same light as real racing, with a recognised ruling body which ensured fair play and guaranteed a quality of driving (not necessarily the fastest drivers) on a global scale only previously available in small private leagues. With all the organisation that goes with running such a body. Jack was considering this as potential job - running the overall series with aid from associates in the three continents, financially rewarded by a driver registration scheme which would benefit both the sim racing community by providing a professional body and pay Jack a wage. The "mad" fortnight saw Jack run NTT in three continents EVERY DAY as he guaged whether he could somehow create his dream governing body and make a living for himself & his family. Reality finally slapped him the face as it became clear the sim racing community was too small, and too reluctant to pay for such a service. So the NTT series collapsed as the exhausted Jack finally had to give up his dream to manage a sim racing body on a full time basis. It all sounds a bit bizarre now. No doubt from a business perspective it was very naive but somehow in this business orientated world it had a refreshing innocence in approach. The NTT series was sorely missed as a genuine world championship, and Jack made many friends on RAS in the process - many will remember those NTT announcements, and the NTT races had a popularity seldom equalled. Tony

In article <NDiV4.2891$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>NTT - the infamous Nail The Track series - initially with invited drivers >from around the world, it culminated in a mad fortnight when Jack ran three >series - America, Europe and Australasia. The series ran with registered >drivers with heats and finals in each series. > >The aim was to create a world auto sim association whose drivers were all >licensed and the races governed by appointed officials of the said body. > >The three series would evolve to a world final. > >The concept was to treat sim racing in the same light as real racing, with a >recognised ruling body which ensured fair play and guaranteed a quality of >driving (not necessarily the fastest drivers) on a global scale only >previously available in small private leagues. With all the organisation >that goes with running such a body. > >Jack was considering this as potential job - running the overall series with >aid from associates in the three continents, financially rewarded by a >driver registration scheme which would benefit both the sim racing community >by providing a professional body and pay Jack a wage. > >The "mad" fortnight saw Jack run NTT in three continents EVERY DAY as he >guaged whether he could somehow create his dream governing body and make a >living for himself & his family. > >Reality finally slapped him the face as it became clear the sim racing >community was too small, and too reluctant to pay for such a service. So the >NTT series collapsed as the exhausted Jack finally had to give up his dream >to manage a sim racing body on a full time basis. > >It all sounds a bit bizarre now. No doubt from a business perspective it was >very naive but somehow in this business orientated world it had a refreshing >innocence in approach. > >The NTT series was sorely missed as a genuine world championship, and Jack >made many friends on RAS in the process - many will remember those NTT >announcements, and the NTT races had a popularity seldom equalled. > >Tony

You're KIDDING, right? That sounds like too much work for about *10* people...<g> But, I'd say that 98% of GPL(for example) drivers wouldn't pay. The hotshoes would scare them away. I refuse to pay for something I don't have a chance in HELL of winning... :-) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote > > > >The NTT series was sorely missed as a genuine world championship, andJack

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> >made many friends on RAS in the process - many will remember those NTT > >announcements, and the NTT races had a popularity seldom equalled. > > > >Tony > > You're KIDDING, right? That sounds like too much work for about *10* > people...<g> > But, I'd say that 98% of GPL(for example) drivers wouldn't pay. The

hotshoes > would scare them away. I refuse to pay for something I don't have achance in > HELL of winning... :-) > The NTT series was going to be SO big that it would cater for all levels of drivers from novice to hotshoe with mini championships at each level. The aim was to provide a professional organsiation for sim racing as we have for real racing. Now if you want to start racing you start at a local club not F1 - NTT recognised that. Paying for it is the big stumbling block. IMHO Jack never saw the GPL community as an opportunity to get rich - but (perhaps optimistically) could provide sufficient income (probably with other ventures) to enable him to do it. He proved he could run the thing but the reaction to payment was luke warm. Most of us don't expect to pay for the work provided by an enthusiast community. I think it is more pyschological than financial - how many of us blow money on at least one duff title a year in the optimistic belief it will be good - in our quest for improving our hobby. Whereas spending money on an existing product (track converter excepted) goes against the grain. If you consider the value each title you buy judged by the hours you have played it then playing GPL seems remarkable value! I sometimes wonder that some serious GPL add-ons could be created if RAS clubbed together and employed some programmers or rewarded the spare time enthusiasts. It is quite possible a number of them are self employed and could give more time if they got paid for the time they lose for working elsewhere. Just some thoughts... Tony

> > I sometimes wonder that some serious GPL add-ons could be created...<snip> That's not to say the add-ons so far haven't been serious! Just we could have more time devoted to their creation, and maybe develop GPL into a GPL 1.5 or something :) What the sim community has done out of enthusiasm has to be applauded.