Coulthard DQ'd from Sao Paulo

Don't know if you gents have seen this, but Autosport is reporting: ----------------------------------- David Coulthard was excluded from the results after finishing second in the Brazilian Grand Prix. The decision - coming a day before his 29th birthday - was announced nearly six hours after the end of the race. Technical steward Jo Bauer declared his McLaren had an illegal front wing and an hour later the Scot was thrown out of the standings by race stewards. McLaren have until just after 9pm local time to appeal the result. ----------------------------------- The DQ was for an out-of-spec front wing. All competitors had their knickers in a twist as they were held for an extra-long scrutineering session. All but Coulthard were declared legal. An hour after all the other cars had been cleared, Ron Dennis was given the bad news. In other car news, I just heard that Daimler/Chrysler is planning a buyout of a controlling interest in Mitsubishi, currently undervalued in the ongoing Japanese recession. BB

Take note of the ng name, recreation:autos:simulators. Not place:for:people:to:spoil:results. At least pick a different subject next time.

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> Don't know if you gents have seen this, but Autosport is reporting: > ----------------------------------- > David Coulthard was excluded from the results after finishing second in > the Brazilian Grand Prix. > The decision - coming a day before his 29th birthday - was announced > nearly six hours after the end of the race. > Technical steward Jo Bauer declared his McLaren had an illegal front > wing and an hour later the Scot was thrown out of the standings by race > stewards. > McLaren have until just after 9pm local time to appeal the result. > ----------------------------------- > The DQ was for an out-of-spec front wing. All competitors had their > knickers in a twist as they were held for an extra-long scrutineering > session. All but Coulthard were declared legal. An hour after all the > other cars had been cleared, Ron Dennis was given the bad news. > In other car news, I just heard that Daimler/Chrysler is planning a > buyout of a controlling interest in Mitsubishi, currently undervalued in > the ongoing Japanese recession. > BB

Although I agree with the bit another fellow wrote about spoilers, I did read about this. McLaren's blaming the bumpy circuit, which they say caused an endplate to loosen and rotate on its mounting axis. It does seem like an appeal would be worthwhile, given the poor track surface. I have absolutely no problems with discussing F1 in this ng, btw. But of course, I'm just little cuddly me. --DK [snip]

On Tue 28 Mar 2000 10:01:26a, Bruce Kennewell wrote: >Oh, David, for God's sake.....get off your high-horse! <gets off high horse> >You're complaining about a post on F1-related matters *HERE*??? No. I like F1. I'm complaining (mildly) about a small case of thoughlessness. Not saying I'd never make the same mistake. >Jesus wept......get real! >Perhaps we should cease any reference to real races and >personalities of the 1960s (when discussing GPL matters) also? I think that's probably more than 48 hours ago... :-) Anyway, those guidelines I posted were, I freely admit, a bit pompous, but it was either that or being very terse. It's not *that* important, in any case - it's only a sport! (sort of). -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

You have to realise that not every part of the world will necessarily follow a particular series in the way that you describe. Here in the UK, it is VERY possible to completely avoid any reference to CART or NASCAR races. Normally, you have to physically look for the result if you miss the race, there is no coverage in newspapers/regular TV news. Cheers, Steve.

Come off it! F1 has often been reported here. Yes put "Spoiler" in the subject matter, but I think there are plenty of F1 enthusiasts who frequent R.A.S. As for rec.autos.sport.f1, I gave up on it due to the huge number of morons with their "Hakkinen is better than Schuey-no he's not Schuey's better than Hakkinen" bull shit. Regards, Glenn David Buttery wrote:

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> > On Tue 28 Mar 2000 12:40:04a, Barton Brown wrote: > > >Don't know if you gents have seen this > <snip> > > Yes, I had, but other people hadn't (we're not all gents, either!). > If you want to post stuff about Formula 1, try rec.autos.sport.f1 > (observing the "spoiler conventions" below). I think it might be > reasonable to post one *short* message here, *if* you put [OT] > (off-topic) before the subject line. > > In any case, if posting within 48 hours of an event: > > 1) Put [SPOILER] in the subject line. > 2) Don't give the game away! Use a subject like "[SPOILER] Brazil GP > update" rather than "[SPOILER] Coulthard DQ'd!". > > Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, > but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result > beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. > > -- > David. > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

<snip> Yes, I had, but other people hadn't (we're not all gents, either!). If you want to post stuff about Formula 1, try rec.autos.sport.f1 (observing the "spoiler conventions" below). I think it might be reasonable to post one *short* message here, *if* you put [OT] (off-topic) before the subject line. In any case, if posting within 48 hours of an event: 1) Put [SPOILER] in the subject line. 2) Don't give the game away! Use a subject like "[SPOILER] Brazil GP update" rather than "[SPOILER] Coulthard DQ'd!". Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Take note of this: the race has been over for well past 24 hours. I assumed anyone interested would have seen the results by this time. BB > Take note of the ng name, recreation:autos:simulators. Not > place:for:people:to:spoil:results. At least pick a different subject > next time.

> Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, > but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result > beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. if these people want to archive this, they have to avoid all other media like newspaper, radio, television ... friends, neighbours ... I've never seen a newspaper print "SPOILER" on ther front page (although this would make up a nice name for a new newspaper :-) ... I understand that there are people who can't watch races live - they should mainly take care of their news-free-zone themselves i.e. avoid contact to news at all costs. and let's face it: reading newsgroups is pretty careless, isn't it? I know what I am talking about: going out for dinner while my VCR records the race and then accidently hearing 2 waiters talk about the result just before I wanted to go ... damn spoilers ... just my 2 cents ... Lio

Well, then I guess the choice is this: (a) We can post results, with clear giveaways about those results in the headers. Be damned to those who had been hoping to avoid knowing results before viewing the race. "I don't owe ennyone ennything." --or-- (2) simply not report any real reports about any form of racing (surely not likely . . . ) --or-- (III) give a nod towards helping our FRIENDS in this COMMUNITY (making an assumption here, but I think it's correct) who do wish to avoid spoiling their viewing of the race. It takes such little effort to do that. Sure, those who want to avoid reportage before watching the race will have to do some woirk themselves. But why not make an effort towards helping them out? It's such a little thing. my 1 cent, DK "Liutger Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, > > but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result > > beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. > > if these people want to archive this, they have to avoid all other media > like newspaper, radio, television ... friends, neighbours ... I've never > seen a newspaper print "SPOILER" on ther front page (although this would > make up a nice name for a new newspaper :-) ... > > I understand that there are people who can't watch races live - they > should mainly take care of their news-free-zone themselves i.e. avoid > contact to news at all costs. and let's face it: reading newsgroups is > pretty careless, isn't it? I know what I am talking about: going out for > dinner while my VCR records the race and then accidently hearing 2 > waiters talk about the result just before I wanted to go ... damn > spoilers ... > > just my 2 cents ... > > Lio

Barton Brown wrote: > > Take note of this: the race has been over for well past 24 hours. I > assumed anyone interested would have seen the results by this time. Hmm, well, but you have to admit that you didn't need to put it in the header...? Yes I know, in a perfect world and all that, but still Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Don't assume that. Marc. "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Take note of this: the race has been over for well past 24 hours. I > assumed anyone interested would have seen the results by this time. > > BB > > Shaun Robinson wrote: > > > > Take note of the ng name, recreation:autos:simulators. Not > > place:for:people:to:spoil:results. At least pick a different subject > > next time.

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> (III) give a nod towards helping our FRIENDS in this COMMUNITY (making an > assumption here, but I think it's correct) who do wish to avoid spoiling > their viewing of the race. It takes such little effort to do that. > > Sure, those who want to avoid reportage before watching the race will have > to do some woirk themselves. But why not make an effort towards helping > them out? It's such a little thing.

I do: I have never posted any race-result or comments from which one could derive results, incidents or the like, because I did experience it on my own several times. and in the ones I've endured I tried my very best to avoid being informed ... the point is: the post that we are arguing about has been posted about 2 days after the event and I find the "NO SPOILERS"-postings ... well ... mistimed ... you will not be able to efficiently avoid spoilers from this NG unless you don't read it in the spoiling-critical-time ;-) Lio

Thank you for a sane and considerate opinion. Marc. "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bq921$ocs$[email hidden]...

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> Well, then I guess the choice is this: > > (a) We can post results, with clear giveaways about those results in the > headers. Be damned to those who had been hoping to avoid knowing results > before viewing the race. "I don't owe ennyone ennything." > > --or-- > > (2) simply not report any real reports about any form of racing (surely

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> likely . . . ) > > --or-- > > (III) give a nod towards helping our FRIENDS in this COMMUNITY (making an > assumption here, but I think it's correct) who do wish to avoid spoiling > their viewing of the race. It takes such little effort to do that. > > Sure, those who want to avoid reportage before watching the race will have > to do some woirk themselves. But why not make an effort towards helping > them out? It's such a little thing. > > my 1 cent, > > DK > > "Liutger Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, > > > but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result > > > beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. > > > > if these people want to archive this, they have to avoid all other media > > like newspaper, radio, television ... friends, neighbours ... I've never > > seen a newspaper print "SPOILER" on ther front page (although this would > > make up a nice name for a new newspaper :-) ... > > > > I understand that there are people who can't watch races live - they > > should mainly take care of their news-free-zone themselves i.e. avoid > > contact to news at all costs. and let's face it: reading newsgroups is > > pretty careless, isn't it? I know what I am talking about: going out for > > dinner while my VCR records the race and then accidently hearing 2 > > waiters talk about the result just before I wanted to go ... damn > > spoilers ... > > > > just my 2 cents ... > > > > Lio > >

Oh, David, for God's sake.....get off your high-horse! You're complaining about a post on F1-related matters *HERE*??? Jesus wept......get real! Perhaps we should cease any reference to real races and personalities of the 1960s (when discussing GPL matters) also? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue 28 Mar 2000 12:40:04a, Barton Brown wrote: > > >Don't know if you gents have seen this > <snip> > > Yes, I had, but other people hadn't (we're not all gents, either!). > If you want to post stuff about Formula 1, try rec.autos.sport.f1 > (observing the "spoiler conventions" below). I think it might be > reasonable to post one *short* message here, *if* you put [OT] > (off-topic) before the subject line. > > In any case, if posting within 48 hours of an event: > > 1) Put [SPOILER] in the subject line. > 2) Don't give the game away! Use a subject like "[SPOILER] Brazil GP > update" rather than "[SPOILER] Coulthard DQ'd!". > > Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, > but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result > beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. > > -- > David. > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Touch�! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > I think that's probably more than 48 hours ago... :-) > > Anyway, those guidelines I posted were, I freely admit, a bit pompous, > but it was either that or being very terse. It's not *that* important, > in any case - it's only a sport! (sort of). > -- > David. > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> Here in the UK, it is VERY possible to completely avoid any reference to > CART or NASCAR races. Normally, you have to physically look for the > result if you miss the race, there is no coverage in newspapers/regular TV > news. that's where good friends with similar interests come into play ;-) Lio

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> writes: >Take note of this: the race has been over for well past 24 hours. I >assumed anyone interested would have seen the results by this time. > >BB Well, you assumed wrong. I didn't finish watching the race until Thursday(I'm reading this on Friday night). Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Liutger Franzen <[email hidden]> writes: >if these people want to archive this, they have to avoid all other media >like newspaper, radio, television ... friends, neighbours ... I've never >seen a newspaper print "SPOILER" on ther front page (although this would >make up a nice name for a new newspaper :-) ... Yep - did it. Didn't watch the news, or Speedvision... My friends and neighbors couldn't name a current driver if it was for $1 million...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>In any case, if posting within 48 hours of an event: > >1) Put [SPOILER] in the subject line. >2) Don't give the game away! Use a subject like "[SPOILER] Brazil GP >update" rather than "[SPOILER] Coulthard DQ'd!". > >Quite a few people, for whatever reason, can't see the races live, >but would like to watch them "as live" without knowing the result >beforehand because of thoughtlessness on other people's part. >

I just avoided this group until I'd seen my tape. I didn't finish watching the race until Thursday...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If your newspaper hasn't reported this yet, don't read V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865

Eldred, next time I'll be sure to check with you before I post anything that's any newer than 3 years old or so -- that work OK for you? BB EldredP wrote: > Well, you assumed wrong. I didn't finish watching the race until Thursday(I'm > reading this on Friday night).P

Just be a good boy and (read slowly now) put "Spoiler" in the subject line of posts which report recent race results. It is possible, just once in a while, just once every t h i r d b l u e m o o n, that you're wrong. Maybe this is one of those times? --DK "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Eldred, next time I'll be sure to check with you before I post anything > that's any newer than 3 years old or so -- that work OK for you? > > BB

David Karr wrote: > > It is possible, just once in a while, just once every t h i r d b l u e m o o n, that you're wrong. > Maybe this is one of those times? Possible, but I kinda doubt it... BB

Sorta makes a mockery of "instant, global communications", don't it?!! :-) P'haps you could advise Eldred by pony express? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Eldred, next time I'll be sure to check with you before I post anything > that's any newer than 3 years old or so -- that work OK for you? > > BB > > EldredP wrote: > > > Well, you assumed wrong. I didn't finish watching the race until Thursday(I'm > > reading this on Friday night).P

Bugger! We haven't heard that here yet!!! Did Woodrow Wilson get elected? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If your newspaper hasn't reported this yet, don't read > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > V > > US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865

LOL!! :) Andre On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:18:01 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If your newspaper hasn't reported this yet, don't read >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V >V > >US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865

On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:40:25 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>LOL!! :) > >Andre > > >On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:18:01 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>If your newspaper hasn't reported this yet, don't read >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >>V >> >>US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865

WHAT!!?!?! Abe's dead? WTF.....I've really got to start watching CNN more often.

LOL!! :) Andre

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Bugger! > We haven't heard that here yet!!! > Did Woodrow Wilson get elected? Who?

LOL!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Bugger! > > We haven't heard that here yet!!! > > Did Woodrow Wilson get elected? > > Who?

spoiler space Final score: Stamford Bridge: Saxons 1 Vikings 0 Hastings (late kick-off): Saxons 0 Normans 1 (aet) Hope that didn't annoy anyone... :-) -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> Final score: > > Stamford Bridge: Saxons 1 Vikings 0 Wrong wrong wrong. It was Chelsea 1 Leeds 0 at Elland Road. Chelsea were away from home this weekend <G> MS

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> writes:

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>David Karr wrote: >> >> It is possible, just once in a while, just once every t h i r d b l u e >m o o n, that you're wrong. >> Maybe this is one of those times? > >Possible, but I kinda doubt it... > >BB

Well, you were wrong in 'assuming' that everyone had seen it by Tuesday night. I wasn't bitching at you, because I avoided r.a.s. until I watched the video. I was just pointing out the error in your statement, s'all... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, next time I'll be sure to check with you before I post anything >that's any newer than 3 years old or so -- that work OK for you? > >BB > >EldredP wrote: > >> Well, you assumed wrong. I didn't finish watching the race until >Thursday(I'm >> reading this on Friday night).P

Cool! Thanks, Barton! <g> Eldred p.s. Actually, normally I watch the 7:30am EST races live. This one(11:30EST) just coincided with a bowling tournament... :-) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.