One Word - WOW!
F1 2000 graphics and Direct3D versus Glide arguments
Praise for F1 2000 turned into an argument about Direct3D versus 3dfx Glide and whether 3dfx was still competitive, with Zonky and rrevved trading barbs. Others compared racing game graphics, citing Rally Championship, Superbike 2000 and GP500, and criticised F1 2000's framerate and pixellated shadows.
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maybe if it wasnt d3d.. Bring on the glide, or even openGL for that matter.
>One Word - WOW!
Arguing against D3D these days is a waste of time. Microsoft has won yet
again and we need to live with it. The only place you'll find OpenGL these
days is FPS, and I can live without those for the most part.
Microsoft... making the place a better place for someone. Although I've yet
to find that person. I love their hardware, hate their software and curse
them for hours on end while doing my job (software developer).
> maybe if it wasnt d3d.. Bring on the glide, or even openGL for that matter.
> >One Word - WOW!
<<Microsoft... making the place a better place for someone. Although I've
yet
<<to find that person.
His first name is Bill...
=:-D
> Arguing against D3D these days is a waste of time. Microsoft has won yet
> again and we need to live with it. The only place you'll find OpenGL these
> days is FPS, and I can live without those for the most part.
> Microsoft... making the place a better place for someone. Although I've yet
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> to find that person. I love their hardware, hate their software and curse > them for hours on end while doing my job (software developer). > > maybe if it wasnt d3d.. Bring on the glide, or even openGL for that > matter. > > >One Word - WOW!"Graphics " are subjective, David: what appeals to one may not appeal to
all, just like any artform. My personal taste is for Papyrus-style graphics,
for example. Others prefer brighter and more "rounded" images.
It's all up to the individual.
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> RC is D3D only.
>
> Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing..
>
> David G Fisher
>
> "Charlie B (Hans)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > maybe if it wasnt d3d.. Bring on the glide, or even openGL for that
> matter.
> >
> > OpenGL wrote in message ...
> > >One Word - WOW!
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> >
>
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:16:07 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>RC2000 has the best graphics yet in a racing sim and it's d3d only, so I
>don't understand how people can continue to say d3d is poor and MS is bad
>for "forcing" it upon is.
Do you have a 3dfx video card?
If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases
a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart.
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RC2000 has the best graphics yet in a racing sim and it's d3d only, so I
don't understand how people can continue to say d3d is poor and MS is bad
for "forcing" it upon is.
David G Fisher
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
>
>
>
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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing.. > > Ah so it's not RC2000 anymore in your opinion? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don'tRC is D3D only.
Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing..
David G Fisher
> maybe if it wasnt d3d.. Bring on the glide, or even openGL for that matter.
> >One Word - WOW!
Ah so it's not RC2000 anymore in your opinion?
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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
>RC is D3D only.
>
>Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing..
>
>David G Fisher
The best graphics in a racing sim are of EASports Superbike 2000
by Milestone. Extremely photorealistic...!
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) wrote:
>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases
>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart.
>
>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore.
My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants.
Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first
get your head out of my zipper, .. K?
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In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:
That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore.
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
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>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:16:07 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>RC2000 has the best graphics yet in a racing sim and it's d3d only, so I >>don't understand how people can continue to say d3d is poor and MS is bad >>for "forcing" it upon is. > >Do you have a 3dfx video card? > >If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart.What's "propietry 3D"?
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Canberra, Australia.
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Zonky. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.)
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases
> >>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart.
> >>
> >>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore.
> >
> >My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants.
> >
> >Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first
> >get your head out of my zipper, .. K?
>
> 3Dfx are long gone as leaders in the 3D market. So is propietry 3D. Get
used
> to it.
>
> Z.
>
>
> Please remove my_pants when replying.
In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:
ooh, i'm really hurt.
Simple fact of life is, Proprietary 3D API's are history (thank god!), and
3Dfx lag behind Nvidia.
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
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>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:00:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) > wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >>>>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart. >>>> >>>>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore. >>> >>>My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants. >>> >>>Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first >>>get your head out of my zipper, .. K? >> >>3Dfx are long gone as leaders in the 3D market. So is propietry 3D. Get used >>to it. >> >>Z. > >You just won't answer my question, will you? >You refuse to compare framerate vs. cost. > >Are you just a fanboy who hasn't the time to back up his claims? > >Never mind. There will be no need to answer. I am bored >with trying to have a dialogue with you, so I am scraping >you and your silly posts from my screen forever. > >buh-bye. (get used to it) > >*plonk*On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:00:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) wrote:
You just won't answer my question, will you?
You refuse to compare framerate vs. cost.
Are you just a fanboy who hasn't the time to back up his claims?
Never mind. There will be no need to answer. I am bored
with trying to have a dialogue with you, so I am scraping
you and your silly posts from my screen forever.
buh-bye. (get used to it)
*plonk*
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* http://www.cabal.net
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>In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) >> wrote: >> >>>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >>>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart. >>> >>>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore. >> >>My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants. >> >>Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first >>get your head out of my zipper, .. K? > >3Dfx are long gone as leaders in the 3D market. So is propietry 3D. Get used >to it. > >Z.In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:
3Dfx are long gone as leaders in the 3D market. So is propietry 3D. Get used
to it.
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
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>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) > wrote: > >>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart. >> >>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore. > >My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants. > >Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first >get your head out of my zipper, .. K?On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:10:14 GMT, [email hidden] (MaX) wrote:
>The best graphics in a racing sim are of EASports Superbike 2000
>by Milestone. Extremely photorealistic...!
I prefer the graphics in GP500. It may not have the same photorealism,
but SBK 2000 pulls it off badly, it doesn't really need to.
Best regards...
"Lisa, if you don't like your job, you
don't strike - you just go in every day
and do it really half arsed! That's the American way!"
- Homer J. Simpson
Yep, they are excellent. The other sim with great graphics is GP500 as SS
mentioned.
David G Fisher
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> >RC is D3D only. > > > >Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing.. > > > >David G Fisher > > The best graphics in a racing sim are of EASports Superbike 2000 > by Milestone. Extremely photorealistic...!Quoted text (9 lines)
>>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart. >>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore. >My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants. >Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first >get your head out of my zipper, .. K?On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:00:49 GMT, [email hidden]
(Zonky.) wrote:
All too true. It still don't change the fact that the graphics SUCK.
Pixellated shadows? I won't even comment about the non-sensation of
speed.
It's a shame, too, the track maps look great- elevation, etc. The
perspective is much better, you actually feel like you're inside the
car.
A car that goes the same speed regardless of the speed-number on the
wheel.
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>In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Zonky.) >> wrote: >> >>>>If so, then it's very likely you would know that in nearly all cases >>>>a Glide title runs and looks better than it's D3D counterpart. >>> >>>That's fine, but 3Dfx cards are hardly "cutting" edge anymore. >> >>My 3dfx is cutting edge, Mr. Zonky at My Pants. >> >>Tell ya what, lets compare framerates vs. cost, but first >>get your head out of my zipper, .. K? > >3Dfx are long gone as leaders in the 3D market. So is propietry 3D. Get used >to it. > >Z. > > >Please remove my_pants when replying.I disagree. Driving fast laps on twisty circuits like Australia,
Monaco and Brazil really give me a sense of speed and makes me dizzy
:)
The feeling of speed is much better than in Viper for example.
But the feeling of speed in GPL is better, if you compare it to that.
Andre
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>All too true. It still don't change the fact that the graphics SUCK. >Pixellated shadows? I won't even comment about the non-sensation of >speed. > >It's a shame, too, the track maps look great- elevation, etc. The >perspective is much better, you actually feel like you're inside the >car. > >A car that goes the same speed regardless of the speed-number on the >wheel.In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
How can 2 sims (Superbike 2000 and F12000) from the same company EA
sports be so completely different graphically (don't answer that it's
just a figure of speech .... different developers). Superbike 2000 is
superb graphically, looks like live TV coverage without any great
slowdown. F12000 absolutely crawls in race mode. Also I don't know what
it is but the cars seem to be out of proportion. They seem to have a very
wide track and not much height. Plus they don't look as if they roll
along the track they seem to just slide along the road without any gap
between the road and the car. Hard to explain this but it just doesn't
look right.
Superbike 2000 stays on the Hard drive. F12000 has got to go.
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> >RC is D3D only. > > > >Best graphics ever in a racing sim so enough of the MS bashing.. > > > >David G Fisher > > The best graphics in a racing sim are of EASports Superbike 2000 > by Milestone. Extremely photorealistic...! >Micro Graphics wrote:
> Superbike 2000 stays on the Hard drive. F12000 has got to go.
Sounds interesting. Does Superbike 2000 have multiplayer internet
support ?
~mbagby
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It's a spelling error.
Andre
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:28:15 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>What's "propietry 3D"?
Context would tell me it's a spelling error. Nice tool, context.
--DK
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