GTR and Starforce

Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. TIA

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:39:38 -0400, Jim Barbieri wrote: > Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of > Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? > I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. > TIA > > I would not think the demo is starforce infected, but a google search might get you going. cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On 23 Oct 2007 10:20:06 +0200, Uwe Schürkamp <[email hidden]> wrote: :>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:39:38 -0400, Jim Barbieri wrote: :>> Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of :>> Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? :>> I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. :>> TIA :>> :>> :> :>I would not think the demo is starforce infected, but a google search :>might get you going. :> :>cheers, uwe I don't know for sure about that one but quite a few other demos have been showing up lately infected with starforce or securom. Supposedly makes it harder for the pirates to utilize the demo EXE to crack the full version. Of course even if you uninstall the demo you've still got the infection just like with the full copy. :-( me/2

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> On 23 Oct 2007 10:20:06 +0200, Uwe Sch�rkamp > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > :>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:39:38 -0400, Jim Barbieri wrote: > :>> Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of > :>> Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? > :>> I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. > :>> TIA > :>> > :>> > :> > :>I would not think the demo is starforce infected, but a google search > :>might get you going. > :> > :>cheers, uwe > > I don't know for sure about that one but quite a few other demos have > been showing up lately infected with starforce or securom. Supposedly > makes it harder for the pirates to utilize the demo EXE to crack the > full version. Of course even if you uninstall the demo you've still > got the infection just like with the full copy. :-( > > me/2

Get GTR2 or Race 07 both are better imo, and no starforce!

It is, and personally I would not touch it. -Larry "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:39:38 -0400, Jim Barbieri wrote: >> Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of >> Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? >> I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. >> TIA >> >> > > I would not think the demo is starforce infected, but a google search > might get you going. > > cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Jim Barbieri wrote: > Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of > Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? > I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. > TIA > > You can get a Starforce removal tool from their website if you want to check it out and then uninstall Starforce. But like has already been said, buying GTR2 instead is the better option.

I really don't see what all the hype and issues are over Starforce...... Would someone please tell me exactly what the problem is with "Starforce" ? If it's a copyright issue... that prevents you from copying the original disk, and circumvent the developers license requirements... I don't have an issue with that, and neither should anyone else. "Jim Barbieri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of > Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? > I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. > TIA > >

On Oct 25, 8:54 am, "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I really don't see what all the hype and issues are over Starforce...... > Would someone please tell me exactly what the problem is with "Starforce" ? > If it's a copyright issue... that prevents you from copying the original > disk, and circumvent the developers license requirements... I don't have an > issue with that, and neither should anyone else. > My guess is that there's an element who likes the applications to be pirate-able and have spread rumours about horror stories to discourage use of protection software. I have no proof of that and there is a slight chance that there's been trouble with Starforce, but I doubt it. I'd guess that the protection software has been tested enough that it's known to not maliciously eat up people's computers.

Google: Starforce Pack a lunch... -Larry "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>I really don't see what all the hype and issues are over Starforce...... > Would someone please tell me exactly what the problem is with "Starforce" > ? > If it's a copyright issue... that prevents you from copying the original > disk, and circumvent the developers license requirements... I don't have > an > issue with that, and neither should anyone else. > > > "Jim Barbieri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of >> Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? >> I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. >> TIA >> >> > >

I guess that's why so many companies have dropped it from their products. It's all the users fault! I hate bullshit assumptions, and this is one of the worst one's. "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Oct 25, 8:54 am, "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote: > My guess is that there's an element who likes the applications to be > pirate-able and have spread rumours about horror stories to discourage > use of protection software. I have no proof of that and there is a > slight chance that there's been trouble with Starforce, but I doubt > it. I'd guess that the protection software has been tested enough > that it's known to not maliciously eat up people's computers. >

Bob Simpson wrote:

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> On Oct 25, 8:54 am, "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I really don't see what all the hype and issues are over Starforce...... >> Would someone please tell me exactly what the problem is with "Starforce" ? >> If it's a copyright issue... that prevents you from copying the original >> disk, and circumvent the developers license requirements... I don't have an >> issue with that, and neither should anyone else. >> > > My guess is that there's an element who likes the applications to be > pirate-able and have spread rumours about horror stories to discourage > use of protection software. I have no proof of that and there is a > slight chance that there's been trouble with Starforce, but I doubt > it. I'd guess that the protection software has been tested enough > that it's known to not maliciously eat up people's computers. >

You're right. Software always works, dammit! And it's tested, too! You're the perfect customer... ;) l8er ronny

My computer is not up to GTR2 and that is why I wanted to try GTR. Think I'll pass on it. However, I did buy RACE07 and really like it...even if I have to turn down the graphics....a lot Quick question on that subject. My PC is a DELL P4 3.00 GHz with 2 GB RAM. Video card is ATI Radeon 9800 128 MB RAM with latest drivers. Will an Nvidia card such as the Asus N8600GTS Silent (256 MB 8600 GTS) make an appreciable difference in my ability to dial up the graphics level? TIA "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gX3Ui.216$[email hidden]...

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> Google: Starforce > > Pack a lunch... > > -Larry > > "Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >>I really don't see what all the hype and issues are over Starforce...... >> Would someone please tell me exactly what the problem is with "Starforce" >> ? >> If it's a copyright issue... that prevents you from copying the original >> disk, and circumvent the developers license requirements... I don't have >> an >> issue with that, and neither should anyone else. >> >> >> "Jim Barbieri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Just downloaded the demo for GTR but reluctant to install because of >>> Starforce copy protection. Is it safe to install the demo? >>> I would appreciate any feedback about this issue. >>> TIA >>> >>> >> >> >

On Oct 25, 6:48 pm, "Jim Barbieri" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> My computer is not up to GTR2 and that is why I wanted to try GTR. Think > I'll pass on it. > However, I did buy RACE07 and really like it...even if I have to turn down > the graphics....a lot > Quick question on that subject. > > My PC is a DELL P4 3.00 GHz with 2 GB RAM. Video card is ATI Radeon 9800 128 > MB RAM with latest drivers. > Will an Nvidia card such as the Asus N8600GTS Silent (256 MB 8600 GTS) make > an appreciable difference in my ability to dial up the graphics level? > > TIA >

Yes! Your PC is faster than mine, except for your graphics card. Mine is a Nvidia 6800 GT 256mb (several years old), and I'm able to run GTR2 with most graphic options on full or high. That ATI 9800 is definitely a bottleneck at the moment for you.

Bob Simpson wrote: >I have no proof of that and there is a > slight chance that there's been trouble with Starforce, but I doubt > it. Lots of proof out there that prove your doubts are wrong. Stopping virtual DVD images from working is reason enough to not use it. I don't use virtual drives but it's the principal of the matter that gets me riled up. They have no right, legal or otherwise, to mess up utilities like Daemon tools from working. There are legit reasons to use such tools besides piracy. Starforce is not the only CP that messes up progs like that but and they are all a poxy bastards for thinking they have the right to hijack our PC's. There is strong evidence to suggest that Starforce can cause burners to stop being able to burn too. In fact I highly suspect Starforce of damaging tow of my burners. I have Starforce installed right now but is the non optical drive version.

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> My computer is not up to GTR2 and that is why I wanted to try GTR. Think > I'll pass on it. > However, I did buy RACE07 and really like it...even if I have to turn down > the graphics....a lot > Quick question on that subject. > > My PC is a DELL P4 3.00 GHz with 2 GB RAM. Video card is ATI Radeon 9800 128 > MB RAM with latest drivers. > Will an Nvidia card such as the Asus N8600GTS Silent (256 MB 8600 GTS) make > an appreciable difference in my ability to dial up the graphics level? > > TIA

Yea, you just need a faster video card. If you can run Race07 you can easily run GTR2. I have GTR and GTR2 and I don't think GTR2 has any more hardware requirements than GTR2. But then I can't compare because I refuse to install optical drive version of Starforce.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:30:07 GMT, John Adams <[email hidden]> wrote: >Lots of proof out there that prove your doubts are wrong. Stopping >virtual DVD images from working is reason enough to not use it. I don't >use virtual drives but it's the principal of the matter that gets me >riled up. They have no right, legal or otherwise, to mess up utilities >like Daemon tools from working. Maybe I'm running a different version of starforce to everyone else, but I've not had DVD drives self-destruct and Daemon Tools works perfectly fine for me. There have been times that starforce has taken at least a minute to validate a disk, particularly GTL, but that's as painful as it's gotten for me at least. Cheers, Rod.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:48:56 -0400, Jim Barbieri wrote: > My PC is a DELL P4 3.00 GHz with 2 GB RAM. Video card is ATI Radeon 9800 128 > MB RAM with latest drivers. > Will an Nvidia card such as the Asus N8600GTS Silent (256 MB 8600 GTS) make > an appreciable difference in my ability to dial up the graphics level? Yes, that'll make it fly ;-) Are you on AGP or PCI-E? Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> Maybe I'm running a different version of starforce to everyone > else, but I've not had DVD drives self-destruct and Daemon Tools > works perfectly fine for me. > > There have been times that starforce has taken at least a minute > to validate a disk, particularly GTL, but that's as painful as > it's gotten for me at least. > > Cheers, > Rod.

There are a few different versions of Starforce so that may be why. Perhaps it was only the early versions that were problematic. Even other forms of copy protection have messed up Daemon Tools. I bought a game recently that says right on the box that you may need to uninstall Daemon Tools and it may not work with certain optical drives. If it says that right on the box then obviously there are issues with CP. You think it is right for the game publisher to think they have the right to force someone to buy a new optical drive to run their game? There are lots of posts out there showing Starforce has messed up Daemon Tools in the past.

I just came across this post from a game developer and even he admits Starforce can cause issues. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=100149 > I have never been able to get this game to install but once. At start up it locks up my computer up. I tried many times for support. Sent a copy of my computer and followed all directions. Never a response. I let it collect dust as i play SH111. What am I missing? > Navyvet, a lot of the installation issues had to do with Starforce. We have non-starforce versions being sold in Europe now and in January in Australia. Hopefully we'll be able to release a starforce free version here - or a patch.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:02:32 GMT, John Adams <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>There are a few different versions of Starforce so that may be why. >Perhaps it was only the early versions that were problematic. Even other >forms of copy protection have messed up Daemon Tools. I bought a game >recently that says right on the box that you may need to uninstall >Daemon Tools and it may not work with certain optical drives. If it says >that right on the box then obviously there are issues with CP. You think >it is right for the game publisher to think they have the right to force >someone to buy a new optical drive to run their game? There are lots of >posts out there showing Starforce has messed up Daemon Tools in the past.

Oh, absolutely not. I'd much prefer that all my software was not copy protected. I'm not defending Starforce at all, just giving my experience of it on 3 different machines, 2 of them running Daemon Tools. Cheers, Rod.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:33:30 GMT, John Adams <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yea, you just need a faster video card. If you can run Race07 you can >easily run GTR2. I have GTR and GTR2 and I don't think GTR2 has any more >hardware requirements than GTR2. But then I can't compare because I >refuse to install optical drive version of Starforce. I'm quite sure that GTR2 ran quicker on my PC at the time than GTR did (provided you turned off changeable weather which I believe has been mostly resolved). Cheers, Rod.

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> Oh, absolutely not. I'd much prefer that all my software was not > copy protected. I'm not defending Starforce at all, just giving > my experience of it on 3 different machines, 2 of them running > Daemon Tools. > > Cheers, > Rod.

OK. I have 4 PC's here and do have Starforce on two of them. I'm not happy with that but I paid for the games and am going to play them, dammit.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:16:54 GMT, John Adams <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Rod wrote: > >> Oh, absolutely not. I'd much prefer that all my software was not >> copy protected. I'm not defending Starforce at all, just giving >> my experience of it on 3 different machines, 2 of them running >> Daemon Tools. >> >> Cheers, >> Rod. > >OK. I have 4 PC's here and do have Starforce on two of them. I'm not >happy with that but I paid for the games and am going to play them, dammit.

One of those was GTL which was Starforce infected, and now play the GTR2 mod of it. Will be great when the other cars are converted. It's also handy that GTR2 has a no-cd for offline play. Cheers, Rod.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:40:35 +1100, Rod wrote: > also handy that GTR2 has a no-cd for offline play. No-Cd patch also works fine for online play AFAIK. Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On 29 Oct 2007 12:38:58 +0100, Uwe Sch�rkamp <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:40:35 +1100, Rod wrote: > >> also handy that GTR2 has a no-cd for offline play. > >No-Cd patch also works fine for online play AFAIK. Oh cool. Never really tried because all the other games I have (even though you have a valid copy with valid key) still don't like it. Sweet. :) Cheers, Rod.

Rod wrote: > Oh cool. Never really tried because all the other games I have > (even though you have a valid copy with valid key) still > don't like it. Sweet. :) > > Cheers, > Rod. That's probably because they have the anti-cheat program Punkbuster which makes sure everyone is using unmodified files.