Do you get any pains from racing...

Hi, It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have recently started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 times a week. I have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while I race. I have been getting pain in my back and arms lately, and I'm wondering if it's because of racing, or just because I have been sitting at a desk working on computers for 8 years. Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Dean (Racing ID - Decawi)

Well I get a pain in my shoulder that makes me stop racing. It's in-between my neck and shoulder on the left side. It now lets me know when I need a break ;-) -- Jeff Murchison JR Screamers League Admin www.speakeasy.org/~jmurch/

ya both unfit I've done long distance races.. I've played games for like 24hrs (I was bored on SCGT and went to see how laps I could clock at donington...) fluffypony

Yes lots of it too and I'm not "out of shape". I get pain in my neck and shoulders. As well I get pain in my knee (right one) and even in my quad muscle. All from sitting at the sim wheel. I have a cool Recardo chair that I have mounted to the base of an old swivel chair so I'm "sitting pretty". Oh well I get pain from playing hockey too so whats the diff? (I grind my teeth when I drive sim too!) Al Stiff

I have pain in my right shoulder (which has dissipated over time) and a constant pain in my left wrist. Weeks I race a lot, I can hardly bend it. It's due to my wheel being setup too low on my desk. I have since reduce my racing time and use a lower chair: that way, there's a lot less wrist bending. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having problems: people around me were starting to say I was a nut for racing until it hurts!

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> Hi, > It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have recently > started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 times a week. I > have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while I race. I have been > getting pain in my back and arms lately, and I'm wondering if it's because > of racing, or just because I have been sitting at a desk working on > computers for 8 years. > Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get > sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Dean (Racing ID - Decawi)

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I get back and arm ache .... its cause by my desk not being the right size for its intended purpose (GPL hehe) .... it means I am just slightly too far away from the wheel when racing ... causes me to overstretch the back and arm muscles when racing in an intense race. I find that conciously making myself sit back and relax more when I am driving helps the backache ... and the laptimes!!!! Marc

I get that too--but I'm not sure if it's from the racing, or from leaning my head on my hand (w/left elbow propped on desk) whilst I read the newsgroup! --DK PS Or it could be the beer lifting . . .

<snip> Yeah, but I have some pretty good arthritis in my hands and wrists from age(46) and a bad motorcycle wreck. I usually experience some pain in my arms, pecs and lats after a long weekend of racing. The daily hour or so of simming doesn't bother me much. -- don [|]-(_)-[|]

As others have said, you'd best see a physician. Those symptoms, especially when combined with pain/tingling radiating to the left arm and neck, can be signs of serious cardiovascular problems. This isn't something to be taken lightly, especially with the nausea and light headedness. And as an aside, I sure hope that there are no lawyers reading this thread. If they can win huge settlements from McDonald's over spilled coffee, imagine what they'd do with this.

I'm surprised no one gets a sore ass! Mine kills after a few hours racing.... amd my left hand (I race with only one hand on the wheel) starts to hurt from gripping to tightly (too tense!) speedy

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> The chair I sit in puts pressure in the wrong place on the bottom of > my thighs and impairs curculation, after a while my feet get a bit > numb and I loose throttle control. > "Honey,this chair is making my legs numb again, I think we better > order that HyperStimulator". > >Hi, > >It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have > >recently started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 > >times a week. I have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while > >I race. I have been getting pain in my back and arms lately, and > >I'm wondering if it's because of racing, or just because I have been > >sitting at a desk working on computers for 8 years. > >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your > >body get sore, and what type of position are you in when you're > >racing. > >Any input would be greatly appreciated. > >Dean (Racing ID - Decawi) > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C.

Ditto here... also LWFF and sitting in an executive style desk chair. When I "overdo" my racing I get sore shoulder and upper back muscles (I think they're called "deltiods" in English, not sure). Sometimes after a long session my ribs kinda seem to "pop" into place again. I also get a stiff neck, but this is more than likely due to my monitor being at an angle to my wheel/pedal setup (shortage of deskspace). In an effort to shave off a couple more tenths of my times (and for the my general health, I'm not THAT sad yet! ;-)) I have started training again. Resistance and free weights, mostly. Too early to be conclusive, but it seems to help. Jan. ----

Age might play a part here too... I've just turned 30. You? Jan./used to be immortal (at 16 years of age) ----

The biggest pain i have is my girlfriend and her constant whining about my wasting time racing (let alone watching it). I think when i trade her in, her replacement will come from the local short track. No more trying to convert non-race fans. <g> --james

I get a sharp pain in my left shoulder, and often my left arm goes numg for a bit. usually this is accompanied by a feeling of pressure in the middle of my chest, and palpatiations,.... I often feel very light headed and out of breath when this occurs, as well as slightly nauseated,...

If this is true, stop reading, don't waste time turning off your PC and get a cardio-vascular check-up NOW!! Jan. ---- PS.: I might have fallen for a "clever" joke here, but in these matters you cannot take a chance. Not really a laughing matter. <snip>

I get a sharp pain in my left shoulder, and often my left arm goes numg for a bit. usually this is accompanied by a feeling of pressure in the middle of my chest, and palpatiations,.... I often feel very light headed and out of breath when this occurs, as well as slightly nauseated,... You should see a doctor. Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?"

Two things... Since I often do league races via Nascar Racing 3, it means that I normally do the same movement or 2 over a course of 2-3hours. I develop normal fatigue to my right arm faster than my left arm. Also, since my accident, I wear what we call up here a "Sac magique" sometimes under yellow, which is a bag filled up with rice. You can warm it up in the microwave or frozen it. It goes on my neck, so I can rest it. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

hey Dean how about age? i'm 52, and lately noticed a 'weakness' near my left elbow. since i have a shifter knob (right side) that arm gets some movement. but my left is static for the length of the race....cause? i don't know. coinciding with that, maybe the same, is my left thumb - everybody ready? i think with my FF wheel i got into a N3 accident that wrenched the wheel...could i have broken a small bone in my hand? and that is the pain i feel near my elbow? i've been racing for 5 years...sometimes full length Nascar...glad i'm not alone :) thanks for asking the question! Bo Bruce On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0800, "Dean Williams" >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get >sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing.

The chair I sit in puts pressure in the wrong place on the bottom of my thighs and impairs curculation, after a while my feet get a bit numb and I loose throttle control. "Honey,this chair is making my legs numb again, I think we better order that HyperStimulator". -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

>I'm surprised no one gets a sore ass! Mine kills after a few hours >racing.... amd my left hand (I race with only one hand on the wheel) starts >to hurt from gripping to tightly (too tense!) This is exactly what I get. (minus the ass) My wrist kills me after a while so I have to learn to relax. :) Sometimes my knees will hurt cause when i drive i dont rest my heel on the pedal base. I toe the pedals. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/

ROFL, you go guy!!! Liberate yourself!! :o) Destin

Depends a bit, but yeah, safe advice is getting a checkup at least. Just to make sure. :) But I get pain in my left shoulder/arm, sometimes neck and back of my head. Sometimes the pain in my chest type thing. A couple years ago, got an ultrasound on my heart, heart monitors, ekg's, etc, everything but a heart cather thingy. Everything checked out fine, though I'm a smoker. Alot of my chest pains, not sure exactly what he is feeling, but with mine, it's a combination of things, still not an excuse not to get checked, but at same time, maybe a relaxer for him in a way. I had a hernia in my stomach/diaphram area. Hiatal (spelling?) hernia thing. I eat too much sitting in front of the computer, pains in chest. Also I have a disability for severe allergies and borderline/turning into asthma probs, so that causes alot of my chest tightness and shortness of breath. Left shoulder really never bothered me much until I hurt it at work. I'm a C-130 mechanic right now, and alot of the parts that go on it are not light, lol. My advice, take note of how you feel. And don't let your anxiety run wild and jump to conclusions, I used to be bad about that until I got so bad I was having severe anxiety and full blown panic attacks, which lead me to seeing a psychiatrist, which I still see every 3 months for followups. Panic attacks/high anxiety/heart palpitations all combined to appear like heart attacks, heart problems, etc. The reason I ended up getting checked out by 2 diff hospitals, local and veterans administration hosp's, and after all those many tests, I was "fine". They sent me to the mental ward, put me on prozac and I've been running away ever since, they won't get me!!! Hehehe, ok, just kidding there, but actually they put me on something called Alprazolam, which is same thing as Xanax. Anti-anxiety medication. So now if i feel an attack coming on, I pop one of those tiny pills and I'm chilling out and feeling no stress the rest of the day. :) Here's some things to look for, me being a long time gamer and falling victim to several *** health problems. If you feel tingling in your hands or forearms, that's a good sign you're either doing quite alot of typing, or playing first person shooter games like Quake2 and such. I was ***ed to Quake2 for a long time, almost 2 years, and my girlfriend was the one that got me to play the game, lol. So between a couple hours of chatting with her online every night when we couldn't be together any other way, long distance romance thing, and the hours we'd share on the various quake2 servers, it got to where my arms and hands downright HURT. I even came down with a brief case of carpal tunnel syndrome. That SUCKS. Hurts to close your hands or ball them in a fast, to hold something, to move your fingers. Feels like your tendons and muscles are burning, on fire, etc. I would always get nausea when playing Quake2 and Duke Nukem, Doom, etc.... Most of that was attributed to the flashing lights, explosions, and good old motion sickness. Quake2 was the first really "virtual reality" type game I ever really got into. And the way it is, you're moving around, walking, running, jumping, falling, all around the landscapes like you would in real life. And all the *** around to shoot someone, running fast through narrow hallways, firing like mad, dodging all around to avoid getting shot or killed, lol, after 30 minutes of that I'd be to the point of puking. Which I did several times the first month I played those games pretty heavy. Even had to cut short the quality time with my girlfriend cause I was too busy running between the computer and bathroom in order to keep from puking all over the house, floor, computer, etc. One good thing I learned in Quake 2 was that you could turn off the screen flashing. Everytime you got shot, the screen would flash like a strobe light. If someone shoot you up with a machinegun, oh lord, the screen is flashing like a disco playing a fast beat disco song, ROFL. Or one of those new generation rAVE songs with strobe light set to the music, lol. Anyways, after disabling the screenflashing, 95% of nausea went away. Only rarely would it happen after that. And also I'd be prone to migraines/headaches from time to time, cause of all that damn flashing. It was like damn ID Software was intentionally doing that to make people sick, lol, amazing as that sounds. Mostly what I get from racing games is the sore shoulders, most probably a posture related thing. Hunched over the wheel and trying to sit in a position which is comfy to reach the foot pedals, wheel and still be fairly close to monitor, close enough to see comfortably. That probably leads to headaches at times from staring at the screen so intently and for long periods of time. I know I'm bad about "staring" at the track to make sure I'm in the groove and also taking note of other cars in my field of view. So sometimes I have to force myself to take the eyes off the monitor from time to time, to avoid eye strain and headaches. That turned into a good thing, since this past month, PCXL magazine included not only a feature of the very beautiful Stevie "KillCreek" Case (#1 female Quake player on the planet, whipped the ID guys, they ask her advice now, also works for Ion Storm helping create Daikatana, among other things). Anyways, she's a *major babe*. Leaned that poster on my left computer speaker to give me some eye candy to look at during long races. Such as when I'm on the backstretch at Talladega, I'd be safe to look around, excersize my eyes and drooling over Stevie, lol. And yeah, it does work and helps me keep from getting eye strain and headaches. Another *HUGE* thing you want to do, especially someone like me having to use a cheap monitor that you can afford till you can save up for a cadillac of a top o' line monitor, and that is to run a good resolution that also allows you to run a high refresh rate. I *NEVER* run above 800x600, even though I can comfortably go on up to 1600x1200 if I wanted, but above 800 res with my cheap monitor, i'm forced to use 60hz refresh rates. Not only will it give me a performance hit (slightly lower fps from lower refresh alone), but there is a noticeable flickering with 60hz. That right there will give you headaches, for real, and eyestrain. I been using computers and playing games since the mid-80's and going back to my beloved old Amiga's, which I still have and use. On those, same deal, good looking resolutions caused flickering, cause I was running higher than what my system at the time could handle basically. I mean, sure it could run it, but it did so at the expense of lower refresh rates. That caused flickering, that cause lower overall system performance, and also caused a noticeable drop in framerate. Don't let anyone give you any BS to the contrary. Sure, Joe Blow down the street might run his GPL, N3, MGPRS2, SCGT, etc, etc, in 1024 and greater resolutions, but what is he sacrificing in the process? Even if he has a P3/Athlon 750 motoring along with a GeForce (GeWhiz?) or V3, what's his refresh rate of his monitor? See any flickering going on?? What's his fps 32bit?? Without starting into a whole other ballpark, think about this... low refresh mostly, not always = lower fps ... higher color depth setting (32bit vs 16bit) = major fps loss ..... higher resolutions = noticeable, sometimes huge, fps loss. The m***of that? Run within the limits of your machine, if you wanna run video card that can handle it. Otherwise it's a waste of time and horsepower. But mainly, keep your video flicker-free and you won't get headaches and eye strain from it, hehe. Destin > > I get a sharp pain in my left shoulder, and often my left arm goes numg > for > > a bit. usually this is accompanied by a feeling of pressure in the middle > of > > my chest, and palpatiations,.... I often feel very light headed and out of > > breath when this occurs, as well as slightly nauseated,... > As others have said, you'd best see a physician. Those symptoms, especially > when combined with pain/tingling radiating to the left arm and neck, can be > signs of serious cardiovascular problems. This isn't something to be taken > lightly, especially with the nausea and light headedness. > And as an aside, I sure hope that there are no lawyers reading this thread. > If they can win huge settlements from McDonald's over spilled coffee, > imagine what they'd do with this.

I think it is very important to find a driving position that is as comfortable as possible. I mean, after all, we spend several hours a week doing this, and we should strive for a comfortable position, because if we don't (and there are indications that many people don't), we can end up with trouble. I have found a optimum position at home. A low chair with more than 90 degrees in the hips, my ***is around 35 cms above ground. My feet are placed about 10 cms above ground (the base of my pedals is 10 cms high). My LWFF is placed on the table, but I have put something under the base in front of the unit, so that the wheel is tilted towards vertical ( I am sitting lower than usual ). I have been experimenting a lot with my driving position, and I have found a comforable one. Earlier I could have pain in both shoulders after a nerve grueling race, but now, I don't. I think the single most important racing rig dimension is the distance between you shoulders and your wheel. Too far away, and you have to stretch your arms to reach the wheel. No good. And even worse when you have to bend forward to reach the wheel. That is going to hurt after a couple of minutes. Too high, and you'll get shoulder trouble. I'd say that the hands on the wheel should be somewhere in between 10 and 20 cms lower than your shoulders... And the distance? Depending on arm length, but I'd say that your elbow should have 100-130 degrees. Hehe, our sport is getting serious, we're discussing driving position ergonomics! ---Asgeir---

Man I feel like a healthy Ox after reading this. :)

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> Depends a bit, but yeah, safe advice is getting a checkup at least. Just >to make sure. :) But I get pain in my left shoulder/arm, sometimes neck and >back of my head. Sometimes the pain in my chest type thing. A couple years >ago, got an ultrasound on my heart, heart monitors, ekg's, etc, everything >but a heart cather thingy. Everything checked out fine, though I'm a smoker. >Alot of my chest pains, not sure exactly what he is feeling, but with mine, >it's a combination of things, still not an excuse not to get checked, but at >same time, maybe a relaxer for him in a way. I had a hernia in my >stomach/diaphram area. Hiatal (spelling?) hernia thing. I eat too much >sitting in front of the computer, pains in chest. Also I have a disability >for severe allergies and borderline/turning into asthma probs, so that >causes alot of my chest tightness and shortness of breath. Left shoulder >really never bothered me much until I hurt it at work. I'm a C-130 mechanic >right now, and alot of the parts that go on it are not light, lol. > My advice, take note of how you feel. And don't let your anxiety run >wild and jump to conclusions, I used to be bad about that until I got so bad >I was having severe anxiety and full blown panic attacks, which lead me to >seeing a psychiatrist, which I still see every 3 months for followups. Panic >attacks/high anxiety/heart palpitations all combined to appear like heart >attacks, heart problems, etc. The reason I ended up getting checked out by 2 >diff hospitals, local and veterans administration hosp's, and after all >those many tests, I was "fine". They sent me to the mental ward, put me on >prozac and I've been running away ever since, they won't get me!!! Hehehe, >ok, just kidding there, but actually they put me on something called >Alprazolam, which is same thing as Xanax. Anti-anxiety medication. So now if >i feel an attack coming on, I pop one of those tiny pills and I'm chilling >out and feeling no stress the rest of the day. :) > Here's some things to look for, me being a long time gamer and falling >victim to several *** health problems. If you feel tingling in your hands >or forearms, that's a good sign you're either doing quite alot of typing, or >playing first person shooter games like Quake2 and such. I was ***ed to >Quake2 for a long time, almost 2 years, and my girlfriend was the one that >got me to play the game, lol. So between a couple hours of chatting with her >online every night when we couldn't be together any other way, long distance >romance thing, and the hours we'd share on the various quake2 servers, it >got to where my arms and hands downright HURT. I even came down with a brief >case of carpal tunnel syndrome. That SUCKS. Hurts to close your hands or >ball them in a fast, to hold something, to move your fingers. Feels like >your tendons and muscles are burning, on fire, etc. > I would always get nausea when playing Quake2 and Duke Nukem, Doom, >etc.... Most of that was attributed to the flashing lights, explosions, and >good old motion sickness. Quake2 was the first really "virtual reality" type >game I ever really got into. And the way it is, you're moving around, >walking, running, jumping, falling, all around the landscapes like you would >in real life. And all the *** around to shoot someone, running fast >through narrow hallways, firing like mad, dodging all around to avoid >getting shot or killed, lol, after 30 minutes of that I'd be to the point of >puking. Which I did several times the first month I played those games >pretty heavy. Even had to cut short the quality time with my girlfriend >cause I was too busy running between the computer and bathroom in order to >keep from puking all over the house, floor, computer, etc. One good thing I >learned in Quake 2 was that you could turn off the screen flashing. >Everytime you got shot, the screen would flash like a strobe light. If >someone shoot you up with a machinegun, oh lord, the screen is flashing like >a disco playing a fast beat disco song, ROFL. Or one of those new generation >rAVE songs with strobe light set to the music, lol. Anyways, after disabling >the screenflashing, 95% of nausea went away. Only rarely would it happen >after that. And also I'd be prone to migraines/headaches from time to time, >cause of all that damn flashing. It was like damn ID Software was >intentionally doing that to make people sick, lol, amazing as that sounds. >Mostly what I get from racing games is the sore shoulders, most probably a >posture related thing. Hunched over the wheel and trying to sit in a >position which is comfy to reach the foot pedals, wheel and still be fairly >close to monitor, close enough to see comfortably. That probably leads to >headaches at times from staring at the screen so intently and for long >periods of time. I know I'm bad about "staring" at the track to make sure >I'm in the groove and also taking note of other cars in my field of view. So >sometimes I have to force myself to take the eyes off the monitor from time >to time, to avoid eye strain and headaches. That turned into a good thing, >since this past month, PCXL magazine included not only a feature of the very >beautiful Stevie "KillCreek" Case (#1 female Quake player on the planet, >whipped the ID guys, they ask her advice now, also works for Ion Storm >helping create Daikatana, among other things). Anyways, she's a *major >babe*. Leaned that poster on my left computer speaker to give me some eye >candy to look at during long races. Such as when I'm on the backstretch at >Talladega, I'd be safe to look around, excersize my eyes and drooling over >Stevie, lol. And yeah, it does work and helps me keep from getting eye >strain and headaches. >Another *HUGE* thing you want to do, especially someone like me having to >use a cheap monitor that you can afford till you can save up for a cadillac >of a top o' line monitor, and that is to run a good resolution that also >allows you to run a high refresh rate. I *NEVER* run above 800x600, even >though I can comfortably go on up to 1600x1200 if I wanted, but above 800 >res with my cheap monitor, i'm forced to use 60hz refresh rates. Not only >will it give me a performance hit (slightly lower fps from lower refresh >alone), but there is a noticeable flickering with 60hz. That right there >will give you headaches, for real, and eyestrain. >I been using computers and playing games since the mid-80's and going back >to my beloved old Amiga's, which I still have and use. On those, same deal, >good looking resolutions caused flickering, cause I was running higher than >what my system at the time could handle basically. I mean, sure it could run >it, but it did so at the expense of lower refresh rates. That caused >flickering, that cause lower overall system performance, and also caused a >noticeable drop in framerate. >Don't let anyone give you any BS to the contrary. Sure, Joe Blow down the >street might run his GPL, N3, MGPRS2, SCGT, etc, etc, in 1024 and greater >resolutions, but what is he sacrificing in the process? Even if he has a >P3/Athlon 750 motoring along with a GeForce (GeWhiz?) or V3, what's his >refresh rate of his monitor? See any flickering going on?? What's his fps >32bit?? >Without starting into a whole other ballpark, think about this... low >refresh mostly, not always = lower fps ... higher color depth setting (32bit >vs 16bit) = major fps loss ..... higher resolutions = noticeable, >sometimes huge, fps loss. >The m***of that? Run within the limits of your machine, if you wanna run >video card that can handle it. Otherwise it's a waste of time and >horsepower. >But mainly, keep your video flicker-free and you won't get headaches and eye >strain from it, hehe. >Destin

Hehehe, maybe we could form an alliance and get some "help" towards that dual Athlon 1Ghz PC. ;-) Jan. ----

>I think it is very important to find a driving position that is as comfortable >as possible. Much good stuff snipped. The solution I found to getting my ***lower was to buy a cheap resin lawn chair, and I then sawed 6 or so inches off the legs. That gets my ***down closer to the level of the pedals, and the wheel is at my chest, instead of at my stomach. Expense = $6. Also, if you haven't tried putting a left-foot rest to the left side of your pedal unit, give that a try. I was getting some big time lower back pain from having my braking foot "poised" all the time. Now it rests just to the left of the brake pedal and at the same height as the pedal so I can get on the pedal fast. Now, if I could just break myself of the death grip on the wheel, maybe my left wrist would feel better. Kurt

> Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get > sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. I have a tendancy to pull my jaw back when I'm pushing it, during training or qualifying, which results in numb jaw muscles. No problem during races, though. But I haven't really tried any long races yet. -- [asbjxrn] [lLd25z*%ds1-100/sLlSdI%ds2-O/sSl1l2*PlL0<l]sl 21172310731916131628237117 3237142523312SSSLllxq

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>as possible. >I mean, after all, we spend several hours a week doing this, and we should >strive for a comfortable position, because if we don't (and there are >indications that many people don't), we can end up with trouble. >I have found a optimum position at home. A low chair with more than 90

degrees >in the hips, my ***is around 35 cms above ground. My feet are placed about 10 >cms above ground (the base of my pedals is 10 cms high). My LWFF is placed on >the table, but I have put something under the base in front of the unit, so >that the wheel is tilted towards vertical ( I am sitting lower than usual ). ----lots of good stuff snipped-- The only pains I get are an occational mussle cramp from my brake foot. But that's because my brake peddel isn't set right, or isn't at the right height, distence, and swing. I have a Chevy Monza Passenger seat from a junk yard and a lot of plywood and 2x4's to create a racing***pit. total cost to me was $20.00 US. A***pit is easy as hell to build and cheap as can be. What this'll get you is a driving possition that's perfect for any length of race. I feel sory for those racing from a desk and only able to race for 8 or 10 laps at a time because it's about lap 8 or 10 when the tires are warmed anough to race.

Yeah, my left ankle on Monza, most of the time it is hovering above the brake pedal waiting to brake, so that gets a bit achey after a while. I think my wrists have gone bad already from using the keyboard and mouse too much, especially those 100% race distances I used to do on GP2 with the keyboard!

Well, i happened to have a sore ass every now and then. Just isn't the exact comfortable position racing behind a desk. If it was, carmanufacturers would throw out the dashes and build in a desk in their cars.... :-) Oh, i sometimes have a splittin' headache, must be from banging my head against the desktop after making another stupid mistake getting through a corner.... -- XLjunkie-- "The Utility Pit" -- http://utility-pit.homepage.com -- > I'm surprised no one gets a sore ass! Mine kills after a few hours > racing.... amd my left hand (I race with only one hand on the wheel) starts

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> to hurt from gripping to tightly (too tense!) > speedy > > The chair I sit in puts pressure in the wrong place on the bottom of > > my thighs and impairs curculation, after a while my feet get a bit > > numb and I loose throttle control. > > "Honey,this chair is making my legs numb again, I think we better > > order that HyperStimulator". > > >Hi, > > >It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have > > >recently started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 > > >times a week. I have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while > > >I race. I have been getting pain in my back and arms lately, and > > >I'm wondering if it's because of racing, or just because I have been > > >sitting at a desk working on computers for 8 years. > > >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your > > >body get sore, and what type of position are you in when you're > > >racing. > > >Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > >Dean (Racing ID - Decawi) > > -- > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver,B.C.

LOL, I know that feeling :) -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl http://www.ukgpl.com ==

Well, the tremendous G forces do cause me a lot of neck pain. And I dehydrate pretty heavily- got to replenish those fluids! Seriously- my eyes hurt a lot from racing too much (looking at a flourscent screen too long probably isn't wise), and also I find my feet muscles cramp up easily after too much racing. I recline fairly far back when I sim race- arms almost outstretched. This seems to have gotten rid of the elbow/arm pain I used to have. On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0800, "Dean Williams"

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>Hi, >It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have recently >started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 times a week. I >have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while I race. I have been >getting pain in my back and arms lately, and I'm wondering if it's because >of racing, or just because I have been sitting at a desk working on >computers for 8 years. >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get >sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. >Any input would be greatly appreciated. >Dean (Racing ID - Decawi)

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> Hi, > It might sound like a weird question to ask here. But I have recently > started to race a lot more. I race about 2 hours, 3 or 4 times a week. I > have a LWFF and I sit in a leather arm chair while I race. I have been > getting pain in my back and arms lately, and I'm wondering if it's because > of racing, or just because I have been sitting at a desk working on > computers for 8 years. > Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get > sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Dean (Racing ID - Decawi)

I do get some pain if I race too much - like over 8-10 hours per week. I get pain in my left wrist. Why? Well, I'm a paraplegic, and use my hands and arms quite a lot. THis has led to a beeakdown of the connective tissue in the wrist and allof the wrist bones are now out of place and it's just a general arthritic mess. I al use the hand for gas in sim racing, and gas/brake in real life driving. To much use and whammo - I'm in pain from arthritis flare up. I feel old - arthritis at age 30. -- |_ Oo\ Alex | Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si

Unfortunately I suffered a back / neck injury playing football some years ago and any extended periods at the pc can become very uncomfortable. Mainly on the right side from the shoulder up the neck, if not careful I can end up with a real bad pain at the point where the neck joins the head... As I work on a PC all day this is a real problem. Also the back got really bad a while ago after spending a couple of hours racing GPL after attaching an Aura Interactor Cushion to the pc... loved the feeling but haven't tried it again since as I don't want to risk any more problems. Hmm... maybe i'll try it agaon over the weekend just to see if it was maybe a coincidence. Peter Hooper

Well, I keep getting a pain in my A**, from all the proctology exams I keep getting on VROC starts. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Official member: Screamers Racing League Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge NASROC ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, p.227, any and subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of Five-Hundred Dollars U.S. E-Mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

ROFLOL only you ZZ

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> Well, I keep getting a pain in my A**, from all the proctology exams I > keep getting on VROC starts. > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > Official member: > Screamers Racing League > Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge > NASROC > ---------------- > Busch Motorsports: > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > Busch Carpentry: > Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? > NOTICE TO BULK > E-MAILERS: > Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, p.227, any and > subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of Five-Hundred > Dollars U.S. E-Mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

Heh. we havent mentioned getting blurred vision after 10-15 from blinking less as we race!!! Remember to blink often! SpeedFreek

>Heh. we havent mentioned getting blurred vision after 10-15 from >blinking less as we race!!! Remember to blink often! >SpeedFreek Isn't that the truth! I finish a race, and my lids are permanently fused open on my eyeballs, which look something like a lab rat's! Kurt

Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have a tendancy to pull my jaw back when I'm pushing it, during > training or qualifying, which results in numb jaw muscles. No problem > during races, though. But I haven't really tried any long races yet. I used to hold my breath going round the two fast corners iat Monza. After medium length races my lungs felt like they were going to explode.

Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hehe, try any indoor rental-kart racing. After holding your breath intricky > corners you grasp for air filled with exhaust gases :) I did a race in little dirt kart things on a mud track once and just kept inhaling dirt.

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> Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a tendancy to pull my jaw back when I'm pushing it, during > > training or qualifying, which results in numb jaw muscles. No problem > > during races, though. But I haven't really tried any long races yet. > > I used to hold my breath going round the two fast corners iat Monza. After > medium length races my lungs felt like they were going to explode.

Hehe, try any indoor rental-kart racing. After holding your breath in tricky corners you grasp for air filled with exhaust gases :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

>Hi, >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your body get >sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. I have had chronic pain in both my shoulder joints for a couple of years now, but I guess its more to do with my job (hacking computers for eight hours a day) than with racing, although there might be a connection since this is the time friends gave me a T2 wheel for my birthday ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0800, Dean Williams <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Hi, > > > > >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of yourbody get > >sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. > I have this pain and terrible ringing in my ears. I think it is from my wife screaming at me "STOP PLAYING WITH THOSE TOY CARS AND TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE, ALREADY!!!" I do not remember having either the pain or ringing before I started sim racing. Jim

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> "> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0800, Dean Williams <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >Does anyone else get sore from racing? If so, what parts of your > body get > > >sore, and what type of position are you in when you're racing. > > > > I have this pain and terrible ringing in my ears. I think it is from > my wife screaming at me "STOP PLAYING WITH THOSE TOY CARS AND TAKE OUT > THE GARBAGE, ALREADY!!!" > > I do not remember having either the pain or ringing before I started > sim racing. > > Jim >

Funny. I don't have any problems, but my girlfriend complains of vision and breathing problems. Must be from rolling her eyes and sighing so much... Stephen