Collin McRae Rally Hits US Shelves - Finally!

They're aimed at different markets. Rally Championship (as RC2K is called in the UK) is a sim, pure and simple - it's the nearest there is to a rallying GPL. CMR has more of an arcade element - it's a lot of fun, and I like it a great deal, but it doesn't quite have the challenge of RC (unless you try winning in a Mk2 Escort...). -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Mobil 1 Rally is the US version of Rally Championship 2000. Like ppl said in previous posts, it's more difficult than Colin McRae Rally because it's more simulation racing. Personnaly i prefer CMR 'cause i'm not a *** racing player. But they both are great games. Mike On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:47:07 GMT, "Gary Wampler" >How does Mobil 1 Rally stack up?

Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new

seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html Rally Championship Jay J wrote in message ... >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com > >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new > >

I have played both and I like Colin McRae alot better. I am anxious for the release of Colin McRae 2 (in the works) Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%8Pw4.888$[email hidden]...

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> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. > http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html > Rally Championship > > Jay J wrote in message ... > >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com > > > >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new > > > > > >

And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. /petern On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:43:55 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have played both and I like Colin McRae alot better. I am anxious >for the release of Colin McRae 2 (in the works) > > >Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:%8Pw4.888$[email hidden]... >> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. >> http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html >> Rally Championship >> >> Jay J wrote in message ... >> >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com >> > >> >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new >> > >> > >> >> >

K thx! Peter Nilsson wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. > >/petern > > >On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:43:55 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I have played both and I like Colin McRae alot better. I am anxious >>for the release of Colin McRae 2 (in the works) >> >> >>Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:%8Pw4.888$[email hidden]... >>> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. >>> http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html >>> Rally Championship >>> >>> Jay J wrote in message ... >>> >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com >>> > >>> >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >

Yes, and it's almost unbelievable that Codemasters are just releasing CMR in the US now - I have been playing it longer than Gpl and have only recently stopped playing it. A great game but a little dated now graphically. Andrew. Peter Nilsson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. > > /petern > > > On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:43:55 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I have played both and I like Colin McRae alot better. I am anxious > >for the release of Colin McRae 2 (in the works) > > > > > >Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:%8Pw4.888$[email hidden]... > >> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. > >> http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html > >> Rally Championship > >> > >> Jay J wrote in message ... > >> >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com > >> > > >> >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >

How does Mobil 1 Rally stack up?

I agree that CMR is a much, much, more drive-able game/sim than RC2k/Mobil1 Rally. The graphics aren't as good, but hey... It's 2 years old!!!! The thing I like best, is that I can come home from work, fire it up, and spend a few min's enjoying myself... Whereas RC2k, unless it's completely detuned, is an excersie in frustration to drive!!! Waaaayy too sensitive, and touchy, albeit a great looking sim/game.... I wish I had the spare time to spend learning and mastering that sort of game, but I don't have that kind of spare time to kill, so games like Toca/Toca2, CMR, SCGT (with cheat codes enabled :-) and other sim's are more rewarding to me.... Voice your opinion at CNET's Gamecenter website and let them know what ya think! I did.... Jay J

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> >And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. > They're aimed at different markets. Rally Championship (as RC2K is > called in the UK) is a sim, pure and simple - it's the nearest there is > to a rallying GPL. CMR has more of an arcade element - it's a lot of > fun, and I like it a great deal, but it doesn't quite have the > challenge of RC (unless you try winning in a Mk2 Escort...). > -- > David. > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

The only bad thing I have to say about Colin McRae is that in real life he switched to ford, so the main car in Colin McRae Rally 2 is going to be the ford. UGH! > I agree that CMR is a much, much, more drive-able game/sim than RC2k/Mobil1

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> Rally. > The graphics aren't as good, but hey... It's 2 years old!!!! > The thing I like best, is that I can come home from work, fire it up, and > spend a few min's enjoying myself... Whereas RC2k, unless it's completely > detuned, is an excersie in frustration to drive!!! > Waaaayy too sensitive, and touchy, albeit a great looking sim/game.... > I wish I had the spare time to spend learning and mastering that sort of > game, but I don't have that kind of spare time to kill, so games like > Toca/Toca2, CMR, SCGT (with cheat codes enabled :-) and other sim's are

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> rewarding to me.... > Voice your opinion at CNET's Gamecenter website and let them know what ya > think! I did.... > Jay J > > >And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. > > They're aimed at different markets. Rally Championship (as RC2K is > > called in the UK) is a sim, pure and simple - it's the nearest there is > > to a rallying GPL. CMR has more of an arcade element - it's a lot of > > fun, and I like it a great deal, but it doesn't quite have the > > challenge of RC (unless you try winning in a Mk2 Escort...). > > -- > > David. > > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > > really." > > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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> Mobil 1 Rally is the US version of Rally Championship 2000. Like ppl > said in previous posts, it's more difficult than Colin McRae Rally > because it's more simulation racing. Personnaly i prefer CMR 'cause > i'm not a *** racing player. But they both are great games. > Mike > On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:47:07 GMT, "Gary Wampler" > >How does Mobil 1 Rally stack up?

I got Mobil 1 over the weekend. So far, I've found it highly enjoyable. Only thing is, they need to find a way to modulate the co-driver's voice. I mean, some of these turns I've overcooked in the snow. We're flying 80+ mph, launched from a snow drift skyward, and my co-driver is still droning on with the directions. At the very least, he should be losing some of the bass from his voice ;-)). If not screaming to his God. But seriously, it's hard to put this one down. *Make sure you turn the steering sensitivity WAY down* -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Here's a few more reviews. I'm not sure I've ever seen a sim get better reviews than RC2000. CMR is not in the same category. http://www.simracingnews.com/games/reviews/rallychampionship2000/inde... http://www.digitalsports.com/dsports/pc4/rally_championship/review.html http://www.ga-sports.com/review.cfm?review_id=33 http://www.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/driving/rally_uk/review.html David G Fisher

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> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. > http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html > Rally Championship > >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com > >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg...

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>> Mobil 1 Rally is the US version of Rally Championship 2000. Like >> ppl said in previous posts, it's more difficult than Colin McRae >> Rally because it's more simulation racing. Personnaly i prefer CMR >> 'cause i'm not a *** racing player. But they both are great >> games. >> Mike >> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:47:07 GMT, "Gary Wampler" >> >How does Mobil 1 Rally stack up? >I got Mobil 1 over the weekend. So far, I've found it highly >enjoyable. Only thing is, they need to find a way to modulate the >co-driver's voice.

<snip> Try using the female co-driver. It's easier to hear. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

But I want the Italian Female like they have on Motorsport Mundial. Sounds like they are always talking about Franchitti...:) dave henrie

IMO, CMR is still more fun to play :) http://www.simracingnews.com/games/reviews/rallychampionship2000/inde...

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> http://www.digitalsports.com/dsports/pc4/rally_championship/review.html > http://www.ga-sports.com/review.cfm?review_id=33 > http://www.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/driving/rally_uk/review.html > David G Fisher > > seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. > > http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html > > Rally Championship > > >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg...

Rally Champ is the only rally game to consider buying right now in time - don't be swayed by the Need for Speed physics lovers who like the year and a half old, cartoony looking, slip sliding unrealisting CMR better..... CMR2 may be something to wait for but CMR1 was old 6mo ago - let alone today. BTW - what are they charging in the US for this year and a half old game? Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o0Uw4.915$[email hidden]...

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> K thx! > > Peter Nilsson wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >And I second that. I find CMR fun and RC2K irritating. > > > >/petern > > > > > >On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:43:55 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > > >>I have played both and I like Colin McRae alot better. I am anxious > >>for the release of Colin McRae 2 (in the works) > >> > >> > >>Charlie B (Hans) <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >>news:%8Pw4.888$[email hidden]... > >>> seems that i might get its competition after reading both reviews. > >>> http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3761,00.html > >>> Rally Championship > >>> > >>> Jay J wrote in message ... > >>> >Check out this review on CNET's www.gamecenter.com > >>> > > >>> > >http://www.gamecenter.com/Reviews/Item/0,6,0-3821,00.html?st.gc.fd.cg_new > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >

Yep... I agree CMR IS more FUN to play, maybe not as accurate, but more driveable and therefore more fun.... But hey, what do you expect, it's two years older than RC2000. I remember the rave reviews it got when it first hit the scene, that no other rally game, ever created to date could even come close to CMR, but please don't let my endorsement sway your opinion, I was not on the beta test team like some people around here were for RC2000!

Here's some reviews from people who didn't test. They're similiar to most reviews of the game. Maybe I paid them. Maybe I paid for all the copies sold so far too. http://www.simracingnews.com/games/reviews/rallychampionship2000/index.shtml http://www.digitalsports.com/dsports/pc4/rally_championship/review.html http://www.ga-sports.com/review.cfm?review_id=33 http://www.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/driving/rally_uk/review.html I have nothing against CMR, it's just not the same type of sim as RC2000. The tracks aren't even real and the driving model may be fun, but not realistic. David G Fisher "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c2ix4.12023$[email hidden]...

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> Yep... I agree CMR IS more FUN to play, maybe not as accurate, but more > driveable and therefore more fun.... But hey, what do you expect, it's two > years older than RC2000. > > I remember the rave reviews it got when it first hit the scene, that no > other rally game, ever created to date could even come close to CMR, but > please don't let my endorsement sway your opinion, I was not on the beta > test team like some people around here were for RC2000! > >

Why do you keep posting those reviews over and over? We are not trying to convince you on anything. A few of us enjoy playing CMR more .. big deal Its not like we are forcing you to play it with us.. I will play the game I want on my machine, you go play the one you want. David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J3jx4.133453$[email hidden]...

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> Here's some reviews from people who didn't test. They're similiar to most > reviews of the game. > > Maybe I paid them. > > Maybe I paid for all the copies sold so far too. > >

http://www.simracingnews.com/games/reviews/rallychampionship2000/index.shtml

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> > http://www.digitalsports.com/dsports/pc4/rally_championship/review.html > > http://www.ga-sports.com/review.cfm?review_id=33 > > http://www.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/driving/rally_uk/review.html > > I have nothing against CMR, it's just not the same type of sim as RC2000. > The tracks aren't even real and the driving model may be fun, but not > realistic. > > David G Fisher > > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c2ix4.12023$[email hidden]... > > Yep... I agree CMR IS more FUN to play, maybe not as accurate, but more > > driveable and therefore more fun.... But hey, what do you expect, it's

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> > years older than RC2000. > > > > I remember the rave reviews it got when it first hit the scene, that no > > other rally game, ever created to date could even come close to CMR, but > > please don't let my endorsement sway your opinion, I was not on the beta > > test team like some people around here were for RC2000! > > > > >

Do you know how to read and follow a thread Cliff? *Hint* Jay J wote a sarcastic post directed at me, so I posted a sarcastic reply. David G Fisher "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gtkx4.131$[email hidden]...

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> Why do you keep posting those reviews over and over? > > We are not trying to convince you on anything. A few of us > enjoy playing CMR more .. big deal > > Its not like we are forcing you to play it with us.. I will play > the game I want on my machine, you go play the one you want. > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J3jx4.133453$[email hidden]... > > Here's some reviews from people who didn't test. They're similiar to

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> > > > http://www.digitalsports.com/dsports/pc4/rally_championship/review.html > > > > http://www.ga-sports.com/review.cfm?review_id=33 > > > > http://www.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/driving/rally_uk/review.html > > > > I have nothing against CMR, it's just not the same type of sim as

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> > The tracks aren't even real and the driving model may be fun, but not > > realistic. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:c2ix4.12023$[email hidden]... > > > Yep... I agree CMR IS more FUN to play, maybe not as accurate, but

more > > > driveable and therefore more fun.... But hey, what do you expect, it's > two > > > years older than RC2000. > > > > > > I remember the rave reviews it got when it first hit the scene, thatno > > > other rally game, ever created to date could even come close to CMR,but > > > please don't let my endorsement sway your opinion, I was not on thebeta > > > test team like some people around here were for RC2000! > > > > > > > > > >

A positive side to the "dated/old graphics" thingie is that you are nowadays able to max everything out and still get good framerate, what with that mighty Geforce crunching away and everything. (Flightsimmers beware: Janes Fighters Anthology is the exception to this rule. Not even a Cray can get good framerates at 1024 with FA). /petern On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 01:29:44 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Yep... I agree CMR IS more FUN to play, maybe not as accurate, but more >driveable and therefore more fun.... But hey, what do you expect, it's two >years older than RC2000. > >I remember the rave reviews it got when it first hit the scene, that no >other rally game, ever created to date could even come close to CMR, but >please don't let my endorsement sway your opinion, I was not on the beta >test team like some people around here were for RC2000! >

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:39:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have nothing against CMR, it's just not the same type of sim as RC2000. >The tracks aren't even real and the driving model may be fun, but not >realistic. RC2000 driving model realistic? I can't really see the reason for people repeating this constantly... The car bounces and flips all over the place, the steering is *way* off, no sliding, no suspension, it stops in 10 meters flat from any speed, et.c. IMHO, the "butter in a frying pan" sensation(although overdone) in CMR is a much better facsimile of the *essence* of rally driving. The stages is real stages, and that's good and all, but I have never seen a road with sharp 45 degree angles everywhere. Magnetic Fields' aim may have been on the hardcore level, but they missed it by so much that CMR is actually a better simulation of rallying. /Magnus

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>On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:39:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I have nothing against CMR, it's just not the same type of sim as RC2000. >>The tracks aren't even real and the driving model may be fun, but not >>realistic. > >RC2000 driving model realistic? I can't really see the reason for >people repeating this constantly... The car bounces and flips all over >the place, the steering is *way* off, no sliding, no suspension, it >stops in 10 meters flat from any speed, et.c. > >IMHO, the "butter in a frying pan" sensation(although overdone) in CMR >is a much better facsimile of the *essence* of rally driving. > >The stages is real stages, and that's good and all, but I have never >seen a road with sharp 45 degree angles everywhere. > >Magnetic Fields' aim may have been on the hardcore level, but they >missed it by so much that CMR is actually a better simulation of >rallying. > > >/Magnus

Very well put. Snyggt... :-) /petern

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> RC2000 driving model realistic? I can't really see the reason for > people repeating this constantly... The car bounces and flips all over > the place, the steering is *way* off, no sliding, no suspension, it > stops in 10 meters flat from any speed, et.c. > IMHO, the "butter in a frying pan" sensation(although overdone) in CMR > is a much better facsimile of the *essence* of rally driving. > The stages is real stages, and that's good and all, but I have never > seen a road with sharp 45 degree angles everywhere. > Magnetic Fields' aim may have been on the *** level, but they > missed it by so much that CMR is actually a better simulation of > rallying.

Sounds like you are trying to drive with a joystick ? ;-) RC2000 desperately needs a non-linear setting option for the X-axis, for joystick users, I think ? I tried it with a joystick and I could not find a setting that worked well. But with a good steering wheel and some patience the steering can be set to be just right ! I have been driving RC2000 for some time now and I think it is perfect on tarmac. Agree that there is a bit too much grip on gravel though. Just tried CMR tonight and it feels really strange when coming from RC2000, the car seems to go more sideways than forward ;-) Maybe its all a matter of what you have gotten used to ? If you are used to CMR I think you should spend some more time getting used to RC2000. Dont give up on it just because it feels different at first. In CMR you just turn the wheel to get the car to slide, in RC2000 you need to use the breaks while turning to get the back-end out. Great fun when you get it right ;-) Never tried a real Rally car, maybe the real thing is somewhere between the two games ? cu/Joergen

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>> RC2000 driving model realistic? I can't really see the reason for >> people repeating this constantly... The car bounces and flips all over >> the place, the steering is *way* off, no sliding, no suspension, it >> stops in 10 meters flat from any speed, et.c. >> IMHO, the "butter in a frying pan" sensation(although overdone) in CMR >> is a much better facsimile of the *essence* of rally driving. >> The stages is real stages, and that's good and all, but I have never >> seen a road with sharp 45 degree angles everywhere. >> Magnetic Fields' aim may have been on the *** level, but they >> missed it by so much that CMR is actually a better simulation of >> rallying. >Sounds like you are trying to drive with a joystick ? ;-)

Hell no!!! What the hell do you take me for?!? ;-) For wheel users too, thanks! I thought Toca2 had excellent steering customization features. I can't really understand why MF has mucked this up so much... I mean, how difficult can it be? I wouldn't even think of using a joystick with rallying games... :) Thrustmaster T2, modified. And no, it can't. Trust me, I've tried. If you tune the sensitivity *way* down you don't get enough steering in corners. And still it's a too large deadzone threshold. Tarmac is slightly better, yes. Maybe I should've mentioned that. But tarmac sucks anyways... :) Welcome to gravel rallying! :-) Not meaning to be a *** about it, but it actually goes quite a bit sideways when driving *** gravel. What I miss the most is the floating smooth sensation when going through curves and bends, and a delayed effect of my steering input. And that's actually realistic, believe it or not. Just watch some live WRC footage... I'm used to _RALLYING_. And that's what I want. Well, it's called left-braking in rallying, but is used quite sparsely and on severly understeered cars(Saabs for instance :). If you have a good balance setup you'd only have to use it on FWD cars in tight cornering. What I would like to see is that you had to setup the car into corners(impossible now due to insensitivity), provoking a slide and being able to pendulum swing into corners(impossible now due to no drift) from high speeds. Well, I used to hang around in rallying circles before, and my dad used to be an A-class rally driver in the 70:s. He is an avid fan of CMR(the game), btw. He thinks CMR captures the feeling of driving a lot better. The sliding is a bit simplified in CMR with automatic oversteering, as is some other stuff, but is a much better replication of actual rally driving. Look at some in-car shots of actual rally events on Eurosport. Now, try do something similar in RC2000... /Magnus

Strange, I dont have any such problems ? I am using a LWFF wheel and the steering is of course more sensitive than in real life, as the wheel can only be moved +-90 deg. But this is nothing that gives me any problems, and I dont see any large deadzone either ? I had to use the dxtweak program to get the x-axis deadzone down to 0. But I guess that is not your problem as that would affect all games. You might be right , but that will not stop me enjoying RC2000 ;-) Looking forward to CMR2. Lets hope it ends all arguments ;-) cu/Joergen