GPL help.. i think

I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a voodoo3 3000. When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? I mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd thing ;P Frank

Might seem like a stupid question but do you have 3dfx selected in the graphics options? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Hehe - Yes i definetly ( how do you spell it ? :) ) have 3dfx turned on. But surely - it cant be right to get such a low framerate ? or .. ? The tests I looked at before byuing the computer indicated that amd got beteer fps than intel... Frnak

I think that the way the game was designed means you need an Intel processor for best results (preferably a PII). GPL doesn't take advantage of the 3D instructions of the AMD CPUs, so any framerate test will be misleading for a relatively old sim like this. >Hehe - Yes i definetly ( how do you spell it ? :) ) have 3dfx turned on. >But surely - it cant be right to get such a low framerate ? or .. ? The >tests I looked at before byuing the computer indicated that amd got beteer >fps than intel... >Frnak

hm.. ok... but still.... 7fps ? well... if i dig out my old p75 I can run a great multiplayer game.... > I think that the way the game was designed means you need an Intel processor > for best results (preferably a PII). GPL doesn't take advantage of the 3D > instructions of the AMD CPUs, so any framerate test will be misleading for a > relatively old sim like this. > >Hehe - Yes i definetly ( how do you spell it ? :) ) have 3dfx turned on. > >But surely - it cant be right to get such a low framerate ? or .. ? The > >tests I looked at before byuing the computer indicated that amd got beteer > >fps than intel... > >Frnak

No I was just trying the game so I just v 1,0 I have dl the latest drivers and Ill download v1,2 now. Let you know what happens... THanks for all you answers by the way =)

I actually think my problem is my voodoo3 card. Because the graphics doesnt look as good as with my old voodoo2 card either. And yes - im still sure 3dfx is turned on :) And i have downloaded the latest drivers... hm... I dont quite understand this

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> I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a voodoo3 > 3000. > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? I > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd thing ;P > Frank

Your Voodoo3 wouldn't happen to be AGP would it? I just recently made myself a new Athlon 700 and MS-6167 motherboard system with a Geforce DDR, 256mb ram, etc. etc. and initially anything that used 3D would run utterly painfully slowly. even Nascar 3 only ran at 15fps! But after screwing around with assorted drivers for a couple of days I finally found and installed AMD's latest AGP drivers and whooosh, everything just got up and flew. ie: GPL in testing mode full detail is a very reliable 36fps at 1600x1200. So I think the problem was that without the AGP drivers installed the computer was unable to use AGP properly. You can get the latest 4.61 AMD agp driver at http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/bin/miniport_461.exe Hopefully that will help. Grant. By the way Remco, I think the Athlon has MMX support built in.

Frupp :Just to be sure you're using the 3D portion of your Voodoo check for a file in your GP folder called "app. ini" There should be a line in it that reads like the following: [ Graphics ] lastRasterizerDLL = rast3dfx.dll ; Last rasterizer DLL selected I know that GPL works fine using AMD processors since I used to run it on a K6-2 AMd allright David

Yes, I found that line and its exactly like you wrote before - but still I only get 7fps with 9 AI's at Watkins Glen ( in the pits )

Hello My voodoo3 card IS agp. And everything is very slooow. But unfortunatley it didnt become any faster after I innstalled the miniport driver thing you mentioned :( I get 14fps when alone at the glen... > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a voodoo3 > > 3000. > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? I > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd thing ;P

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> > Frank > Your Voodoo3 wouldn't happen to be AGP would it? > I just recently made myself a new Athlon 700 and MS-6167 motherboard > system > with a Geforce DDR, 256mb ram, etc. etc. and initially anything that > used 3D > would run utterly painfully slowly. even Nascar 3 only ran at 15fps! > But after screwing around with assorted drivers for a couple of days I > finally found and installed AMD's latest AGP drivers and whooosh, > everything > just got up and flew. ie: GPL in testing mode full detail is a very > reliable 36fps at 1600x1200. So I think the problem was that without the > AGP drivers installed the computer was unable to use AGP properly. > You can get the latest 4.61 AMD agp driver at > http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/bin/miniport_461.exe > Hopefully that will help. > Grant. > By the way Remco, I think the Athlon has MMX support built in.

Is your detail slider all the way to the right? That may cause the lousy framerate. It's no use having it all the way to the right, either. You do not see any difference, except for a severe framrate drop. Try to put it in the middle. How many sounds do you have on? Try to reduce to 4 simultanious sounds. Jon

Everything is set to default... like... the detail slider is in the middle - The sound is set to 4 ( i think ). > Is your detail slider all the way to the right? That may cause the lousy > framerate. It's no use having it all the way to the right, either. You do > not see any difference, except for a severe framrate drop. Try to put it in

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> the middle. > How many sounds do you have on? Try to reduce to 4 simultanious sounds. > Jon > > Yes, I found that line and its exactly like you wrote before - but still

I > > only get 7fps with 9 AI's at Watkins Glen ( in the pits ) > > > > THanks for all you answers by the way =) > > > Frupp :Just to be sure you're using the 3D portion of your Voodoo check > > for > > > a file in your GP folder called "app. ini" There should be a line in it > > that > > > reads like the following: > > > [ Graphics ] > > > lastRasterizerDLL = rast3dfx.dll ; Last rasterizer DLL selected > > > I know that GPL works fine using AMD processors since I used to run it > on > > a > > > K6-2 AMd allright > > > David

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> I actually think my problem is my voodoo3 card. Because the graphics doesnt > look as good as with my old voodoo2 card either. And yes - im still sure > 3dfx is turned on :) And i have downloaded the latest drivers... hm... I > dont quite understand this > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a voodoo3 > > 3000. > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? I > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd thing > ;P > > Frank

It sure sounds like the V3 driver installation didn't "take" and GPL is running in software (slideshow) mode. (My k6-3 + Voodoo3 gets the full 36fps at 1024x768 at all times during practice with all the eye candy on. Your K7 should slam the framerate counter at a solid 36 FPS.) Do other games work properly in Glide? If so, try re-installing GPL. -Greg. -- ================================= Note! Anti-Spam device engaged. Remove the duplicate 'g' and 's' before replying.

did you try the glide patch from www.theuspits.com? supposed to help V3 and Banshee cards significantly. -= Frupp =- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FUhw4.6756$[email hidden]... > Hmm... Well... I took my Matrox Millenium G200 and my voodoo2 card and put > those in my new computer in place of the voodoo3 card. Of course theMatrox

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> Millenium g200 is also agp so that might not help.. > but with these cards I still get 7 fps ( +/- ) > I really need help :) > > so... help me hehe > Htnaks > > Frank > >

>I think that the way the game was designed means you need an Intel processor >for best results (preferably a PII). GPL doesn't take advantage of the 3D >instructions of the AMD CPUs, so any framerate test will be misleading for a >relatively old sim like this. GPL doesn't use the MMX instructions, it should run fine on an Athlon 700. As a matter of fact, someone said that he got 36 fps all the time with V3 1024x768 19 AI cars and all detail on on an Athlon 550. So a 700 should do at least that. To Frupp: Do you use GPL 1.2? And also try the latest 3dFX drivers... Remco >>Hehe - Yes i definetly ( how do you spell it ? :) ) have 3dfx turned on. >>But surely - it cant be right to get such a low framerate ? or .. ? The >>tests I looked at before byuing the computer indicated that amd got beteer >>fps than intel...

Did you have the v2 in the k7 before the v3? Did you completely remove the v2 stuff before installing the v3? Do you have the 2.53 glide2x.dll in your gpl folder? If so, dump it. > Hello > My voodoo3 card IS agp. And everything is very slooow. But unfortunatley it > didnt become any faster after I innstalled the miniport driver thing you

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> mentioned :( I get 14fps when alone at the glen... > > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a

voodoo3 > > > 3000. > > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? > I > > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd

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> thing ;P > > > Frank > > Your Voodoo3 wouldn't happen to be AGP would it? > > I just recently made myself a new Athlon 700 and MS-6167 motherboard > > system > > with a Geforce DDR, 256mb ram, etc. etc. and initially anything that > > used 3D > > would run utterly painfully slowly. even Nascar 3 only ran at 15fps! > > But after screwing around with assorted drivers for a couple of

days I > > finally found and installed AMD's latest AGP drivers and whooosh, > > everything > > just got up and flew. ie: GPL in testing mode full detail is a very > > reliable 36fps at 1600x1200. So I think the problem was that without the

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> > AGP drivers installed the computer was unable to use AGP properly. > > You can get the latest 4.61 AMD agp driver at > > http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/bin/miniport_461.exe > > Hopefully that will help. > > Grant. > > By the way Remco, I think the Athlon has MMX support built in.

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Hmm... Well... I took my Matrox Millenium G200 and my voodoo2 card and put those in my new computer in place of the voodoo3 card. Of course the Matrox Millenium g200 is also agp so that might not help.. but with these cards I still get 7 fps ( +/- ) I really need help :) so... help me hehe Htnaks Frank

No, I didn't have the v2 in that computer before. I just got the k7 today. And no I dont have the glide driver either :/ Frank

The detail slider shouldn't cause such a huge drop in fps anyway. I keep mine all the way to right, all graphic and sound options turned on, and even at 1024x768 my fps stays pretty decent. And I'm only running a 300a Celery o/c 450, 128, V3 2000 o/c 173, and an old MX300 A3D card. You certainly have a hardware advantage over me. -- ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- > Everything is set to default... like... the detail slider is in the middle - > The sound is set to 4 ( i think ). > > Is your detail slider all the way to the right? That may cause the lousy > > framerate. It's no use having it all the way to the right, either. You do > > not see any difference, except for a severe framrate drop. Try to put it > in > > the middle. > > How many sounds do you have on? Try to reduce to 4 simultanious sounds. > > Jon

make sure you tell the BIOS to run Setup Defaults.. This is one of the major culprits when Athlon systems are running sluggish. Also, make sure the AGP miniport driver is installed. Hope this helps. Michael Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

The motherboard is not jumperfree so It might be I need to move a jumper ? But I read the manual and everything seems to be in the right place. When I boot my computer the bios also says AMD (unknown ) 600mhz Seems a little strange it doesnt say AMD Athlon 600 or AMD K7 or something ?? Frnak

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> make sure you tell the BIOS to run Setup Defaults.. This is one of the > major culprits when Athlon systems are running sluggish. > Also, make sure the AGP miniport driver is installed. > Hope this helps. > Michael > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a > voodoo3 > > 3000. > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be > right ?? I > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd > thing ;P > > Frank > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Yes - ( not sure I can get you to understand what I mean in english but Ill try :) ) From what I have seen... I seems like ... like the 3dfx option is selected but I still get software mode. When I go to options and check it says 3dfx. And when I try to play I can see - like the tyres are not "square" like in software mode - but the graphics look much better on my p2-333 with a voodoo 2 card. I also tried F1 99 and that also ran veeery slowly I have innstalled numerous ( is that a word ? ) drivers from 3dfx and 3dfxgames.com but nothing help. Ive also innstalled a new driver for the agp port. I have a asus k7m motherboard by the way Framl > > I actually think my problem is my voodoo3 card. Because the graphics doesnt

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> > look as good as with my old voodoo2 card either. And yes - im still sure > > 3dfx is turned on :) And i have downloaded the latest drivers... hm... I > > dont quite understand this > > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a

voodoo3 > > > 3000. > > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be right ?? I > > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd thing > > ;P > > > Frank > It sure sounds like the V3 driver installation didn't "take" and GPL is running > in software (slideshow) mode. > (My k6-3 + Voodoo3 gets the full 36fps at 1024x768 at all times during practice > with all the eye candy on. Your K7 should slam the framerate counter at a solid

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> 36 FPS.) > Do other games work properly in Glide? If so, try re-installing GPL. > -Greg. > -- > ================================= > Note! > Anti-Spam device engaged. Remove the duplicate 'g' and 's' before

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As long as it reports the correct CPU speed, you should be OK. To change BIOS settings shouldn't require any jumper changes. Just go into the BIOS settings - usually by pressing the <DEL> key on boot-up, or find out how in the mobo instruction book - once in the BIOS there should be an option to "Load Setup Defaults" or "Load Optimal Settings" ,or something to that effect. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Remco Moedt" Yes, Ive got Athlon 500 + v3. At 1024x768 all details max its 36 fps. Tapani

"Remco Moedt" > GPL doesn't use the MMX instructions, it should run fine on an Athlon > 700. As a matter of fact, someone said that he got 36 fps all the time > with V3 1024x768 19 AI cars and all detail on on an Athlon 550. So a > 700 should do at least that. > Remco Yes, I�ve got Athlon 500 + v3. At 1024x768 all details max it�s 36 fps. Tapani

I would suggest that you download the latest bios version for your M/Board and update to that, this should then recognise your Athalon. Also check (I'm sure you already have) that the L1 and L2 cache are enabled in the bios, Good Luck! Phillip Frupp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T6rw4.6904$[email hidden]...

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> The motherboard is not jumperfree so It might be I need to move a jumper ? > But I read the manual and everything seems to be in the right place. > When I boot my computer the bios also says > > AMD (unknown ) 600mhz > > Seems a little strange it doesnt say AMD Athlon 600 or AMD K7 or something > ?? > > Frnak > <[email hidden]> skrev i meldingsnyheter:89sjiu$89h$[email hidden]... > > make sure you tell the BIOS to run Setup Defaults.. This is one of the > > major culprits when Athlon systems are running sluggish. > > > > Also, make sure the AGP miniport driver is installed. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Michael > > > > In article <VPdw4.6561$[email hidden]>, > > "-= Frupp =-" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I just got a new computer today - AMD K7 600mhz,128mb Ram and a > > voodoo3 > > > 3000. > > > > > > When I ran GPL for the first time ... Well - It wasnt like I excpected > > > > > > I got about 7fps in 640x480 - everything turned on. Can this be > > right ?? I > > > mean, I get more fps with my old p-pro200 mhz w/voodoo2 card? > > > > > > And I get about 25 fps ( in the pits ) with my p2-333mhz ? hmms.. Hope > > > someone can tell me what is wrond - if not Ill return this damn amd > > thing ;P > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >