This looks better and better everytime new info is leaked:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97317
This screenshot in particular piques my interest:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/openpic.php?name=..%2Fscreenshots_library%2Fdir_220%2Fvortal_pic_110079.jpg
Jason
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:23:54 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer)
wrote:
Part 2 of the preview goes into a bit more detail on the physics and
such:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97346
Jason
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>This looks better and better everytime new info is leaked: > >http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97317 > >This screenshot in particular piques my interest: > >http://www.computerandvideogames.com/openpic.php?name=..%2Fscreenshots_library%2Fdir_220%2Fvortal_pic_110079.jpg>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote
> This screenshot in particular piques my interest:
>
>http://www.computerandvideogames.com/openpic.php?name=..%2Fscreenshots_library%2Fdir_220%2Fvortal_pic_110079.jpg
Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do it correctly.
Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was perhaps the only
sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally stages. Even the sims who
say they want to make the stages feel accurate, they always fail. It's
always 25% too large compared to real-life rally stages.
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:28:33 -0400, "ymenard"
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>Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do it correctly.
>Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was perhaps the only
>sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally stages. Even the sims who
>say they want to make the stages feel accurate, they always fail. It's
>always 25% too large compared to real-life rally stages.
I dunno, without seeing a car model placed on that course, I'm not
going to argue the width one way or the other. It looks pretty damn
close to me.
Jason
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> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:28:33 -0400, "ymenard"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do itcorrectly.
> >Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was perhaps the only
> >sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally stages. Even the simswho
> >say they want to make the stages feel accurate, they always fail. It's
> >always 25% too large compared to real-life rally stages.
>
> I dunno, without seeing a car model placed on that course, I'm not
> going to argue the width one way or the other. It looks pretty damn
> close to me.
I agree looks like they wussed out and widened the road quite a bit.
Kyle
> Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do it correctly.
> Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was perhaps the only
> sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally stages. Even the simswho
> say they want to make the stages feel accurate, they always fail. It's
> always 25% too large compared to real-life rally stages.
It depends on where you live - I guess that you're British. I've lived in
England for 5 years, and am still surprised by how narrow your B roads are.
I was a club level rally driver in Australia for 10 years, and I can assure
you that the typical forest or small country road is wide enough to do a U
turn.
This is one of the reasons (the other being cost) that I haven't taken up
rallying here. I'm used to RWD cars and heaps of oversteer, and your roads
just aren't wide enough for me to enjoy this. Of course its a matter of what
you're used to, but I don't have any problem at all with a good compromise
(combination of narrow and wide stages).
One common complaint about Rally Championship was that the stages were too
narrow. On one hand, I appreciated the realism, but on the other hand I
wasn't able to do many scandos.
RBR is being marketed as a "realistic game", not as a sim, so I think that
having realistic physics with enjoyable wide stages is a good compromise.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:10:40 GMT, "epster" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>It depends on where you live - I guess that you're British. I've lived in
>England for 5 years, and am still surprised by how narrow your B roads are.
I'm British and I am amazed that most of those roads have a 60mph
limit! To have a limit like that on a tiny twisty road and a limit of
70mph on a motorway makes no sense to me.
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> "epster" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >It depends on where you live - I guess that you're British. I've lived in
> >England for 5 years, and am still surprised by how narrow your B roadsare.
> I'm British and I am amazed that most of those roads have a 60mph
> limit! To have a limit like that on a tiny twisty road and a limit of
> 70mph on a motorway makes no sense to me.
On the motorway it's safer to drive fast, hence the higher speedlimit.
(duh!)
;-)
Ice D
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:22:35 +0200, "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>On the motorway it's safer to drive fast, hence the higher speedlimit.
>(duh!)
>It was the mere 10mph differential I was referring to, duh!
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Look at image #5- you can see the tyre ruts on the road, and the subaru
looks like it's the size of a go-kart in comparison. The height of the
foliage at the side suggests the same scale applies to the (nice looking)
pic on the link.
ah well, maybe there's a realism patch that scales up the car size by 50%.
cheers
John
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> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:28:33 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do it >>correctly. Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was >>perhaps the only sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally >>stages. Even the sims who say they want to make the stages feel >>accurate, they always fail. It's always 25% too large compared to >>real-life rally stages. > > I dunno, without seeing a car model placed on that course, I'm not > going to argue the width one way or the other. It looks pretty damn > close to me. > > JasonOn Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:41:15 GMT, JM
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Look at image #5- you can see the tyre ruts on the road, and the subaru
>looks like it's the size of a go-kart in comparison. The height of the
>foliage at the side suggests the same scale applies to the (nice looking)
>pic on the link.
Aha. Ok now I see what you guys are saying.
We should start a thread about this on the BHMS forum since the
developers read that. Nothing mean spirited, but just to point out
that the tracks and cars aren't in scale with each other. If it's
done without being rude, they might take it seriously.
Jason
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:26:58 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer)
wrote:
Part 3, an interview with the Producer, is up:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97390
Sounds to me like they're aiming squarely at the simulation market,
which is good news all around.
Jason
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>On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:23:54 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) >wrote: > >>This looks better and better everytime new info is leaked: >> >>http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97317 >> >>This screenshot in particular piques my interest: >> >>http://www.computerandvideogames.com/openpic.php?name=..%2Fscreenshots_library%2Fdir_220%2Fvortal_pic_110079.jpg > >Part 2 of the preview goes into a bit more detail on the physics and >such: > >http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=97346I agree that I hope they do the stages properly. All the attention on the
cars if they do them well will be lost if the stages are wussy. However, I
will buy this title just because they are attempting to do a proper sim. I
stopped buying CMR at number 2 because they are so pathetic. Happy to
support this title even if it only accomplishes what they are talking about
so far.
Marc
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> >"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > This screenshot in particular piques my interest:
> >
> >
>http://www.computerandvideogames.com/openpic.php?name=..%2Fscreenshots_library%2Fdir_220%2Fvortal_pic_110079.jpg
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> Again, they wuss out and make it wider. Nobody will ever do it correctly.
> Rally stages, are BLOODY TIGHT. Rally Championship, was perhaps the only
> sim that ever attempted to create realistic rally stages. Even the simswho
