RASF1 Japan - ARGH!

I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of the race - I switch to the server to get rid of its car. When the flag drops I hear "You've been given a stop-and-go penalty for jumping the start." How?!? I wasn't even in the fucking CAR, let alone moving! So I'm driving around first lap, pissed at that, trying to figure out why. Get to the chicane, blow my brake point(trying to see where Pit In is), and spin. I got high-sided on the curb. Tried for about 30 seconds to free the car, then said fuck it. I give up with this damn thing... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Is there an updated chicane for Japan? "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of therace - > I switch to the server to get rid of its car. When the flag drops I hear > "You've been given a stop-and-go penalty for jumping the start." How?!?I > wasn't even in the fucking CAR, let alone moving! > So I'm driving around first lap, pissed at that, trying to figure out why.Get > to the chicane, blow my brake point(trying to see where Pit In is), andspin. > I got high-sided on the curb. Tried for about 30 seconds to free the car,then

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> said fuck it. > I give up with this damn thing... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of the race - > I switch to the server to get rid of its car. When the flag drops I hear > "You've been given a stop-and-go penalty for jumping the start." How?!? I > wasn't even in the fucking CAR, let alone moving! > So I'm driving around first lap, pissed at that, trying to figure out why. Get > to the chicane, blow my brake point(trying to see where Pit In is), and spin. > I got high-sided on the curb. Tried for about 30 seconds to free the car, then > said fuck it. > I give up with this damn thing...

I'm sorry Neil: I knocked over a glass of water at the start, that distracted me, and you hit me. My mistake. If you look at the start Eldred, the Toyota does roll early. I waited for you on the start finish line while you were hung up on the curb. Larry

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of therace - > I switch to the server to get rid of its car. ???? I've seen reference to a 'server's car' ... what is it? The car the host drives? KK

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of therace - > I switch to the server to get rid of its car. When the flag drops I hear > "You've been given a stop-and-go penalty for jumping the start." How?!?I > wasn't even in the fucking CAR, let alone moving! > I watched the replay and for some reason the server car rolled forward and pushed you over the starting grid marks. That is just stupid luck cuz I don't recall having to hold the brake to keep from rolling forward... and didn't see anyone else rolling either. Now speaking of replay, HAQSAU, it's always good to have a look at it before you accuse someone of fucking up your race. If you were paying attention you would know there were two Saubers in the race and the one that was involved with you was not me. Regardless of who it was, your reaction was not called for... shit happens - watch the replay. I really thought you had a little more class than that. We have a small core group of talented GP sim racers keeping RASF1 alive, and if you want to see it die quickly, keep pissing people off like you did to me today. Spud.

"Kasper Kowalski" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1065980140.86168@teuthos:

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I am *so* tired of this shit... I'm cursed in this game. Start of the > race - >> I switch to the server to get rid of its car. > > ???? I've seen reference to a 'server's car' ... what is it? The car the > host drives? > > KK > >

Eldred's host machine(I think!) is a University of Michigan server...he has to start that, then join his own race with his personal box. When the race starts, he has to move the servercar out of the way and then jump back into his racing machine.. Eldred, the Suzuka s/f straight is slightly down hill I think. When you exited your car, it may have rolled from the gradient. Try keeping your foot mashed on the brake whilst moving the server car...not sure how easy that is...but.... I almost got in to the race but my box fan wasn't turned up yet...so I got a heat lockup just before the chat window was available. F1rst2 would let me back into the RAS room, but nothing happened when I hit connect...oh well..I did get some time then to run practice laps for the Bullrun 1000 and knocked two seconds off my PB. going faster there than ever thanks to the TA physics. dave henrie

"Spudster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VBgib.79289$pl3.39856@pd7tw3no... > > Now speaking of replay, HAQSAU, it's always good to have a look at itbefore > you accuse someone of fucking up your race. If you were paying attentionyou > would know there were two Saubers in the race and the one that wasinvolved > with you was not me. Regardless of who it was, your reaction was notcalled > for... shit happens - watch the replay. I really thought you had a little > more class than that. Well perhaps I owe you an apology however this is not just a case of "shit happens". I got punted over a wall and clean out of the map, I was hovering in space and there was no possible way to continue. In the meantime the guy that hit me went on like nothing happened to him. I don't care that it wasn't intentional, it's still bullshit. And as far as whether I have class or not, if having class means I'm not entitled to the same emotions anyone else would have in that situation, then stuff class. > We have a small core group of talented GP sim racers keeping RASF1 alive, > and if you want to see it die quickly, keep pissing people off like youdid > to me today. Now who's overreacting? Take a ride in my car before you judge me.

> I got punted over a wall and clean out of the map, I > was hovering in space and there was no possible way to continue. Yes, that was me who hit you. Very sorry. I hit the curb comming in the turn and my car liften from the ground. Tires not touching the asphalt at 200+mph means flying into the wall pretty much. You just happened to be between me and the wall. > In the meantime the guy that hit me went on like nothing happened to him. What was I supposed to do? Join you in space? Since there's no on-track chat I wasn't able to say sorry, and since I looked in my mirror and saw no signs of you I drove off. If it makes you feel any better, later in the race my brake pedal on my controller failed. I had to retire. Congrats to Hasqau for the win, and sorry I had to bail out. -- josh boudreau josh at kfoo dot net

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes: > Eldred's host machine(I think!) is a University of Michigan server...he >has to start that, then join his own race with his personal box. When the >race starts, he has to move the servercar out of the way and then jump back >into his racing machine.. Correct. > Eldred, the Suzuka s/f straight is slightly down hill I think. When you >exited your car, it may have rolled from the gradient. Try keeping your >foot mashed on the brake whilst moving the server car...not sure how easy >that is...but.... > Ack! It figures. Yeah, I could have held the brake if I'd known... Even Spa in GPL doesn't have that problem, and that s/f straight is *much* steeper. Grrr... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well perhaps I owe you an apology however this is not just a case of "shit >happens". I got punted over a wall and clean out of the map, I was hovering >in space and there was no possible way to continue. In the meantime the guy >that hit me went on like nothing happened to him. I don't care that it >wasn't intentional, it's still bullshit. Sounds like you got caught out like I did at Malaysia. From my car I got hit *hard* by Ian, and but he never even felt it. Warp wreck, not much any of us can do about it... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Larry Lindstrom <[email hidden]> writes: > If you look at the start Eldred, the Toyota does roll >early. I waited for you on the start finish line while >you were hung up on the curb. I wasn't in the Toyota - that was the server car. I was in the Williams. The thing wasn't even in gear, so how could I move early? This game just hates me... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <VBgib.79289$pl3.39856@pd7tw3no>, "Spudster" <[email hidden]> writes: >I watched the replay and for some reason the server car rolled forward and >pushed you over the starting grid marks. That is just stupid luck cuz I >don't recall having to hold the brake to keep from rolling forward... and >didn't see anyone else rolling either. The *server* car knocked me over the line?!? Like I said - I'm cursed. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No Josh, the point was I got taken out and you suffered no damage at all. I don't know whether it was warp or whether Eldred turned damage off, but either way I don't like it. This has been happening in every race now, and I'm not pointing the finger at you specifically, I'm just saying that in every race I have participated in there has been at least one incident like this where two guys collided but only one got taken out. It's very discouraging. "Josh Boudreau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > What was I supposed to do? Join you in space?

The difference in this case was Josh was spinning before he hit me, plus he hit the wall himself and rolled several times, so clearly the server knew he was part of the incident, yet he suffered no apparent damage. Come to think of it, my car did not fly apart, it got punted cleanly over the wall in one piece. Was invulnerability on? I practice with it on under the assumption that the server will turn it off, but it appears that in this case the server did not turn it off. Come to think of it I had some offs during practice that did not result in any damage either. I know there was some talk about this. I think this incident is a good example of why invulnerability should *not* be on. Reducing damage is fine, but in the interest of fairness and realism there needs to be some damage to everyone involved in a wreck. I know we don't have any intentional wreckers, but I see people taking a lot of unnecessary risks in every race. Having unrealistic aids, including invulnerability, turned off is the only way to get people to race in a realistic manner. If I'm the only one who feels this way fine, I will learn to live with it, but I thought other people wanted this to be realistic also. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Sounds like you got caught out like I did at Malaysia. From my car I gothit > *hard* by Ian, and but he never even felt it. Warp wreck, not much any ofus > can do about it... :-( >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > No Josh, the point was I got taken out and you suffered no damage at > all. Oh. Yeah, I turned on the invulnerability aid at the start since i noticed that it was allowed by the server. If I didn't have that turned on I would have obliterated my car against the wall since it was a very hard hit. That explains my driving off while you floated in space. I assumed everyone else was running that aid... maybe I assumed wrong. Again... sorry for hitting you. I wasn't driving overly aggresive even though i had invuln on, just made the mistake of hitting those darn high curbs and losing control.

"Josh Boudreau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Oh. Yeah, I turned on the invulnerability aid at the start since i noticed > that it was allowed by the server. If I didn't have that turned on I would > have obliterated my car against the wall since it was a very hard hit.That > explains my driving off while you floated in space. I assumed everyoneelse > was running that aid... maybe I assumed wrong. Actually I think everyone but Neil had it on, since most of us apparently practice with it on. > Again... sorry for hitting you. Thanks. I'll get over it. :o)

EldredP wrote: > The *server* car knocked me over the line?!? Like I said - I'm cursed. No, no - I just bribed the guy for a laugh ;) Regards, Rudy (GPLRank -11)

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Eldred's host machine(I think!) is a University of Michigan server...he > has to start that, then join his own race with his personal box. When the > race starts, he has to move the servercar out of the way and then jumpback > into his racing machine.. ??? LOL. Perhaps someone else should host? KK

In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I think this incident is a good example of why >invulnerability should *not* be on. Reducing damage is fine, but in the >interest of fairness and realism there needs to be some damage to everyone >involved in a wreck. I know we don't have any intentional wreckers, but I >see people taking a lot of unnecessary risks in every race. Having >unrealistic aids, including invulnerability, turned off is the only way to >get people to race in a realistic manner. If I'm the only one who feels >this way fine, I will learn to live with it, but I thought other people >wanted this to be realistic also.

I felt that way as well. But with the low number of drivers we have racing, allowing damage means that only 2 cars will finish. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > ??? LOL. Perhaps someone else should host? > > KK That is the trouble with F1c NOT having a dedicated server option. If Eldred want to use the big fat pipe that his college equipment sits on, then he has to have the server and his own rig... Recently with NT4 ISI released a dedicated server option, but as of yet, this has not been transferred back to F1c. Some users have winked and nodded when this effort is mentioned, but so far nothing concrete has been announced. dh

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Haqsau"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >I think this incident is a good example of why > >invulnerability should *not* be on. Reducing damage is fine, but in the > >interest of fairness and realism there needs to be some damage toeveryone > >involved in a wreck. I know we don't have any intentional wreckers, butI > >see people taking a lot of unnecessary risks in every race. Having > >unrealistic aids, including invulnerability, turned off is the only wayto > >get people to race in a realistic manner. If I'm the only one who feels > >this way fine, I will learn to live with it, but I thought other people > >wanted this to be realistic also. > > I felt that way as well. But with the low number of drivers we haveracing, > allowing damage means that only 2 cars will finish. That and damage is wildly inconsistent, sometimes allowing you to drive right thru another car. KK

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Larry Lindstrom > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > If you look at the start Eldred, the Toyota does roll > >early. I waited for you on the start finish line while > >you were hung up on the curb. > > I wasn't in the Toyota - that was the server car. I was in the Williams. The > thing wasn't even in gear, so how could I move early? This game just hates > me...

I understand Eldred: I didn't notice that the Toyota pushed you out of your grid position until I took another look at the replay. Had I known what was happening I would have waited until you dislodged yourself from that curb and served your penalty. I waited for 10 or 15 seconds and the display kept showing you 10 seconds behind me I'm going to take a break from RASF1. I don't mind being slow, but my first goal has always been to never take out another car. I failed that modest duty when I knocked Neil out 1 second after the start. It's weird. After qualifying I had my typically dismal mid 1:40s and Neil was listed below me on the display, but I believe he had a time in the 1:30s. So I don't think he had any business being behind me. I love to drive online, and it would be fun to race with you folks on that nice fast server. It's distinctly better than a cable connected host. But multiplayer is great. Like you folks the community is friendly, and the fastest turn lap times that would put them among the fastest of RASF1. The slowest are like me. If you want fast non-RAS readers to fill your RASF1 grid, I think I could recruit a bunch of capable drivers for you. I run a few sessions on Friday and much of Saturday, limited by my old dual 600 MHZ to 5 drivers. People from the East Coast US, Europe, Australia, and Asia have told me the connection is fine, which I find surprising. Invulnerability is always allowed, and encouraged, and the difficulty is as it was set on Sunday's race, so you will hear people begging me in the chat room to allow stability assistance. I usually run 3 lap sprints, chained back to back as fast as I can move from checkered flag to warm-up, where I grid the cars as they finished, and to race again. People seem to have fun there, and I have no shortage of helpful people who can thrash me as soundly as any of you. People wonder off after a while and there isn't much opportunity for someone to enter in the short time between races, so when there is only one fast driver left we practice, hoping someone fast will join, and usually it doesn't take long for the session to be full with drivers that have a range of skills. If people want longer races, of course I'm happy to comply with their wishes. Realistic? About as realistic as racing F1 sitting on a couch with a beer next to your steering wheel can be. So if you want some quick, casual, races look for a session called "Slowpoke's Short Sprints". That's me. I'll probably track RASF1, which I gather is the season, so it will be practice for Sunday's race. Sometimes I let drivers pick a different track, but that's unusual. I'll read RASF1 threads, and will probably post to you folks. I'm planning on following your circuit and when I get good enough to be within 107% of the fastest cars I see in multiplayer sessions, or maybe a little better than that, I'll be back. Don't hold your breath. Again Neil, I'm very sorry I screwed you out of the race Sunday. Larry

In article <[email hidden]>, Larry Lindstrom <[email hidden]> writes: > But multiplayer is great. Like you folks the community >is friendly, and the fastest turn lap times that would put >them among the fastest of RASF1. The slowest are like me. >If you want fast non-RAS readers to fill your RASF1 grid, >I think I could recruit a bunch of capable drivers for you. Sure - send 'em by! I'm curious to see how my server holsd up with a full field. I should set an open race at Monza or something... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... [snip]

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> I'm going to take a break from RASF1. I don't mind being > slow, but my first goal has always been to never take out > another car. I failed that modest duty when I knocked Neil > out 1 second after the start. It's weird. After qualifying > I had my typically dismal mid 1:40s and Neil was listed below > me on the display, but I believe he had a time in the 1:30s. > So I don't think he had any business being behind me. >

Please don't quit on my account Larry. I'm also unsure why I was put to the back - don't think I exceeded 12 laps. When I launched I saw you not move and pulled up fine. I think you then moved a bit so I took off again and this time screwed the pooch. Two options spring to mind for me: I could have turned on invincibility or I could have been even more cautious. Either way, it's not your fault. You may have blown an engine on the line and it's still up to me to miss you. I'm really not bothered by it - I'm using the RASF1 series as an opportunity to get used to the sim (never used EA before) and to do so in an environment of a wide range of pace but, more importantly, some friendly and respectful guys. You fit all those criteria and I'm more than happy to race with you. > > Again Neil, I'm very sorry I screwed you out of the > race Sunday. >Not a problem :)) Regards

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> > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > [snip] > > I'm going to take a break from RASF1. I don't mind being > > slow, but my first goal has always been to never take out > > another car. I failed that modest duty when I knocked Neil > > out 1 second after the start. It's weird. After qualifying > > I had my typically dismal mid 1:40s and Neil was listed below > > me on the display, but I believe he had a time in the 1:30s. > > So I don't think he had any business being behind me. > > > > Please don't quit on my account Larry. I'm also unsure why I was put to the > back - don't think I exceeded 12 laps. When I launched I saw you not move > and pulled up fine. I think you then moved a bit so I took off again and > this time screwed the pooch. Two options spring to mind for me: I could have > turned on invincibility or I could have been even more cautious. Either way, > it's not your fault. You may have blown an engine on the line and it's still > up to me to miss you. > > I'm really not bothered by it - I'm using the RASF1 series as an opportunity > to get used to the sim (never used EA before) and to do so in an environment > of a wide range of pace but, more importantly, some friendly and respectful > guys. You fit all those criteria and I'm more than happy to race with you. > > > > > Again Neil, I'm very sorry I screwed you out of the > > race Sunday. > > > Not a problem :)) > > Regards

Hi Neil: Thanks for the kind words. The initial pause is an unrealistic action. That's me trying to assure I don't run up someone's tailpipes. Because you were behind me, I gave them about a quarter beat before I launched. If I'd been in my customary position at the back of the grid I'd have paused for a half a second, or longer. The start and stop was me starting, and kicking over the glass of water. I suppose that wouldn't happen if I were using left foot braking. My driving position is unorthodox. I'll see you Sunday, but this time I'm going to get a qualifying time that will guarantee my position at the back of the grid. Perhaps a 150 MPH stroll down pit lane during qualifying will secure that position. I don't have a race schedule, or even F1C loaded right now. I'm assuming we are moving race by race through the 2003 schedule. I know they are similar, but is it in fact the same as the 2002 schedule? How are we handling my favorite track, the late, lamented Spa? Larry

The schedule is posted at http://members.tripod.com/pedx1ng/rasf1/. This Sunday is San Marino, aka Imola. "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hi Neil: > > Thanks for the kind words. > > The initial pause is an unrealistic action. That's me > trying to assure I don't run up someone's tailpipes. > Because you were behind me, I gave them about a quarter > beat before I launched. If I'd been in my customary > position at the back of the grid I'd have paused for a > half a second, or longer. > > The start and stop was me starting, and kicking over > the glass of water. I suppose that wouldn't happen if I > were using left foot braking. My driving position is > unorthodox. > > I'll see you Sunday, but this time I'm going to get a > qualifying time that will guarantee my position at the > back of the grid. Perhaps a 150 MPH stroll down pit > lane during qualifying will secure that position. > > I don't have a race schedule, or even F1C loaded > right now. I'm assuming we are moving race by race > through the 2003 schedule. I know they are similar, > but is it in fact the same as the 2002 schedule? How > are we handling my favorite track, the late, lamented > Spa? > > Larry