Force Feedback wheels and W2K

I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgraded to W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim 2000, go figure. I'm still trying though... Steve

Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate Per4mer definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I need a new wheel. Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? Iain

Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get FS2000 going. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgraded to > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim 2000, go > figure. I'm still trying though... > > Steve > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate Per4mer > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I need a new > > wheel. > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > Iain > > > > > > > >

Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing better than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in a dual boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'm going back. Just my $.02 Steve

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> Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > FS2000 going. > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgraded to > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim 2000,

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> > figure. I'm still trying though... > > Steve > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate Per4mer > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I need a > new > > > wheel. > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > Iain

Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing better > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in a dual > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'm going > back. > Just my $.02 > Steve > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > > FS2000 going. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgraded to > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim 2000, > go > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > Steve > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate Per4mer > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I need a > > new > > > > wheel. > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > Iain

The only games I've not got working are Falcon4 (which runs but crashes when trying to go back to main menu) and GPL in 3Dfx mode (works fine in software.) There is a whole list at http://ntgamepalace.3dfiles.com/0.htm although it was set up for NT it now includes W2K. If I can sort out the GPL thing I won't be going back to W98. Iain "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]...

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> Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing

better > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in a > dual > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'mgoing

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> > back. > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > Steve > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes. > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgradedto > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim2000,

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> > go > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate > Per4mer > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I

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> a > > > new > > > > > wheel. > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

So far I've got working: Nascar 3 (w/o force feedback), GPL w/opengl patch (w/o ff), flight sim 2000 + a ton of addons (w/ff), flight unlimited III (w/ff), Jane's F15, a ton of my wife's card games (Hoyle classic) I think Madden NFL 99 -- but I don't remember if I tried it -- I will in just a minute! As far as non-game apps, Everything has worked so far except I'm having trouble sharing a printer on my LAN with other non-W2K computers (I think due to the printer - HP LaserJet 3100 is known for not being network friendly). Steve "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]...

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> Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing

better > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in a > dual > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'mgoing

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> > back. > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > Steve > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes. > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just upgradedto > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get force > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim2000,

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> > go > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate > Per4mer > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I

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> a > > > new > > > > > wheel. > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

What is the OpenGL patch you mention? Patch for what W2K or GPL? Iain

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> GPL w/opengl patch (w/o ff), > flight sim 2000 + a ton of addons (w/ff), > flight unlimited III (w/ff), > Jane's F15, > a ton of my wife's card games (Hoyle classic) > I think Madden NFL 99 -- but I don't remember if I tried it -- I will in > just a minute! > > As far as non-game apps, Everything has worked so far except I'm having > trouble sharing a printer on my LAN with other non-W2K computers (I think > due to the printer - HP LaserJet 3100 is known for not being network > friendly). > > Steve > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]... > > Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > > > -- > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > > > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing > better > > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in a > > dual > > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'm > going > > > back. > > > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > hordes. > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just

upgraded > to > > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to getforce

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> > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim > 2000, > > > go > > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate > > Per4mer > > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and I > need > > a > > > > new > > > > > > wheel. > > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You can get it from the papyrus web site -- opengl.zip. It's only about 70KB and the readme states that it is a beta and unsupported, but it works fine. It is not specifically for W2K, but it seems to work fine. Steve "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MnUu4.3261$[email hidden]...

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> What is the OpenGL patch you mention? Patch for what W2K or GPL? > Iain > > > GPL w/opengl patch (w/o ff), > > flight sim 2000 + a ton of addons (w/ff), > > flight unlimited III (w/ff), > > Jane's F15, > > a ton of my wife's card games (Hoyle classic) > > I think Madden NFL 99 -- but I don't remember if I tried it -- I will in > > just a minute! > > > > As far as non-game apps, Everything has worked so far except I'm having > > trouble sharing a printer on my LAN with other non-W2K computers (I

think

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> > due to the printer - HP LaserJet 3100 is known for not being network > > friendly). > > > > Steve > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]... > > > Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes.

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> > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > > > > > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually performing > > better > > > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installed in

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> > > dual > > > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think I'm > > going > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to get > > > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > > hordes. > > > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just > upgraded > > to > > > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get > force > > > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight Sim > > 2000, > > > > go > > > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My Ultimate > > > Per4mer > > > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs and

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> > need > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > > wheel. > > > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Where at Papy's site? I've looked, but I just can't see it! Help! or could you email it to me? Thanks, Iain "Steve Syrett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:89hhgb$1lf$[email hidden]...

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> You can get it from the papyrus web site -- opengl.zip. It's only about > 70KB and the readme states that it is a beta and unsupported, but it works > fine. It is not specifically for W2K, but it seems to work fine. > > Steve > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MnUu4.3261$[email hidden]... > > What is the OpenGL patch you mention? Patch for what W2K or GPL? > > Iain > > > > > GPL w/opengl patch (w/o ff), > > > flight sim 2000 + a ton of addons (w/ff), > > > flight unlimited III (w/ff), > > > Jane's F15, > > > a ton of my wife's card games (Hoyle classic) > > > I think Madden NFL 99 -- but I don't remember if I tried it -- I will

in > > > just a minute! > > > > > > As far as non-game apps, Everything has worked so far except I'mhaving

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> > > trouble sharing a printer on my LAN with other non-W2K computers (I > think > > > due to the printer - HP LaserJet 3100 is known for not being network > > > friendly). > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]... > > > > Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > hordes. > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > > > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck", but... > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually

performing > > > better > > > > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). I installedin > a > > > > dual > > > > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't thinkI'm

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> > > going > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to

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> > > > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > > > hordes. > > > > > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just > > upgraded > > > to > > > > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to get > > force > > > > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight

Sim

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> > > 2000, > > > > > go > > > > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My

Ultimate > > > > Per4mer > > > > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCsand

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> I > > > need > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > wheel. > > > > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

OK, I got it. It gets further than before, but I get a small screen for menus, and the mouse pointer disappears and I can't select any options. So, I'm stuck again! Any suggestions? Iain "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O7Yu4.4887$[email hidden]...

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> Where at Papy's site? I've looked, but I just can't see it! > Help! > or could you email it to me? > Thanks, > Iain > "Steve Syrett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:89hhgb$1lf$[email hidden]... > > You can get it from the papyrus web site -- opengl.zip. It's only

about > > 70KB and the readme states that it is a beta and unsupported, but itworks

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> > fine. It is not specifically for W2K, but it seems to work fine. > > > > Steve > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:MnUu4.3261$[email hidden]... > > > What is the OpenGL patch you mention? Patch for what W2K or GPL? > > > Iain > > > > > > > GPL w/opengl patch (w/o ff), > > > > flight sim 2000 + a ton of addons (w/ff), > > > > flight unlimited III (w/ff), > > > > Jane's F15, > > > > a ton of my wife's card games (Hoyle classic) > > > > I think Madden NFL 99 -- but I don't remember if I tried it -- I

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> in > > > > just a minute! > > > > > > > > As far as non-game apps, Everything has worked so far except I'm > having > > > > trouble sharing a printer on my LAN with other non-W2K computers (I > > think > > > > due to the printer - HP LaserJet 3100 is known for not being network > > > > friendly). > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > > news:89dt6l$e5d$[email hidden]... > > > > > Cool, what games have you tried it with so far? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > > hordes. > > > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:89dqoj$485$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Well, I'd like to think of it as more "skill" than "luck",

but... > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, other than some drive issues, W2K is actually > performing > > > > better > > > > > > than W98 on many of the apps I use (games included). Iinstalled

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> in > > a > > > > > dual > > > > > > boot configuration in case I still needed W98, but I don't think > I'm > > > > going > > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > > > > > news:89cok7$bc4$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Since W2k is essentially NT 5.0, I would say you are lucky to > get > > > > > > > FS2000 going. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the

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> > > > hordes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Syrett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:896vna$se8$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > I have the Logitech Wingman Formula Force (USB) and I just > > > upgraded > > > > to > > > > > > > > W2K -- and have had some success. I haven't been able to

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> > > force > > > > > > > > feedback to work for Nascar 3, but it does work in MS Flight > Sim > > > > 2000, > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > figure. I'm still trying though... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > > > > > > > news:eJzt4.215$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Has anyone got one working yet with Windows 2000? My > Ultimate > > > > > Per4mer > > > > > > > > > definitely doesn't work, SC&T have stopped supporting PCs > and > > I > > > > need > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > wheel. > > > > > > > > > Which is the best these days, Actlabs, Saitek? > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Iain, Are you also using the latest patch for GPL? It is also at the papyrus web site (gpl12_us.exe is the one I used). If you are using that version with the opengl patch, then it must be hardware or driver issues?? All I can offer is my setup: PII400, 128MB, Viper770 ultra with Nvidia reference driver 3.78. Steve "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mPYu4.4980$[email hidden]... > OK, I got it. It gets further than before, but I get a small screen for > menus, and the mouse pointer disappears and I can't select any options.So, > I'm stuck again! > Any suggestions? > Iain > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O7Yu4.4887$[email hidden]

Yep, I'm using 1.2. Still can't get GPL to work. Can't see mouse pointer and therefore unable to make any selections! Iain "Steve Syrett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:89hmdp$2dc$[email hidden]... > Iain, > > Are you also using the latest patch for GPL? It is also at the papyrusweb

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> site (gpl12_us.exe is the one I used). > > If you are using that version with the opengl patch, then it must be > hardware or driver issues?? All I can offer is my setup: > PII400, 128MB, Viper770 ultra with Nvidia reference driver 3.78. > > Steve > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mPYu4.4980$[email hidden]... > > OK, I got it. It gets further than before, but I get a small screen for > > menus, and the mouse pointer disappears and I can't select any options. > So, > > I'm stuck again! > > Any suggestions? > > Iain > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:O7Yu4.4887$[email hidden] > >