MSFF: which is better? USB or Gameport connector?

I have a gameport connector version of the MSFF. I am just wondering "should" I have gotten the USB version? Are there any performance difference between the two? Thanks.

USB has no force feedback -- "To finish first, you first must finish the race" --Mark Martin g_major on TEN http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major

Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it does, it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed up? <G>

Hi my MSFF only has gameport connector. Jon > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it does, > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed up?

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> <G> > > USB has no force feedback > > -- > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > --Mark Martin > > g_major on TEN > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major

Actually, saw a USB MSFFB wheel at Babbages in St. Louis tonight ($149.99 or so). Requires DX7 and makes no mention of Immersion (tm) anywhere on the box. Jim On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:23:58 -0000, "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi >my MSFF only has gameport connector. > >Jon >Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... >> Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it does, >> it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed >up? >> <G> >>

Well G_Major you are incorrect, the new MSFF wheel is indeed USB and has force feedback. Logitech also produce a FF USB wheel. I have both the MSFF wheels, the gameport and the new USB. Get the USB wheel, it it a tighter wheel, the software is updated for profiling (now integrated into the game controller software) and the grip on the wheel is improved. Personally I love this wheel "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zXTt4.2543$O5.53317@stones...

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> Hi > my MSFF only has gameport connector. > > Jon > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... > > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it

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> > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed > up? > > <G> > > > > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:5mBt4.4797$[email hidden]... > > > USB has no force feedback > > > > > > -- > > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > > --Mark Martin > > > g_major on TEN > > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major > > > > > > > > > > > >

Well G_Major you are incorrect, the new MSFF wheel is indeed USB and has force feedback. Logitech also produce a FF USB wheel. I have both the MSFF wheels, the gameport and the new USB. Get the USB wheel, it it a tighter wheel, the software is updated for profiling (now integrated into the game controller software) and the grip on the wheel is improved. Personally I love this wheel "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zXTt4.2543$O5.53317@stones...

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> Hi > my MSFF only has gameport connector. > > Jon > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... > > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it

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> > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed > up? > > <G> > > > > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:5mBt4.4797$[email hidden]... > > > USB has no force feedback > > > > > > -- > > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > > --Mark Martin > > > g_major on TEN > > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major > > > > > > > > > > > >

Well G_Major you are incorrect, the new MSFF wheel is indeed USB and has force feedback. Logitech also produce a FF USB wheel. I have both the MSFF wheels, the gameport and the new USB. Get the USB wheel, it it a tighter wheel, the software is updated for profiling (now integrated into the game controller software) and the grip on the wheel is improved. Personally I love this wheel "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zXTt4.2543$O5.53317@stones...

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> Hi > my MSFF only has gameport connector. > > Jon > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... > > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it

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> > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two mixed > up? > > <G> > > > > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:5mBt4.4797$[email hidden]... > > > USB has no force feedback > > > > > > -- > > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > > --Mark Martin > > > g_major on TEN > > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major > > > > > > > > > > > >

Guess no more unless Buy.com is selling stuffs that do not exist: http://www.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10233664 Sam Mancuso <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U3bu4.22156$[email hidden]... > Braddo- > > You are incorrect- 3 times! Microsoft does not have a USB Force Feedback > wheel (or joystick). Many people produce FF USB wheels but Microsoft isnot > one of them due to their use of DirectInput which requires theMIDI/Gameport

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> information. > > www.joy-stick.net > > > "Braddo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:89a7pc$v7a$[email hidden]... > > Well G_Major you are incorrect, the new MSFF wheel is indeed USB and has > > force feedback. > > > > Logitech also produce a FF USB wheel. > > > > I have both the MSFF wheels, the gameport and the new USB. > > > > Get the USB wheel, it it a tighter wheel, the software is updated for > > profiling (now integrated into the game controller software) and the

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> on > > the wheel is improved. > > > > Personally I love this wheel > > "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> > wrote > > in message news:zXTt4.2543$O5.53317@stones... > > > Hi > > > my MSFF only has gameport connector. > > > > > > Jon > > > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... > > > > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it > > does, > > > > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two > mixed > > > up? > > > > <G> > > > > > > > > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:5mBt4.4797$[email hidden]... > > > > > USB has no force feedback > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > > > > --Mark Martin > > > > > g_major on TEN > > > > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > > > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > > > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sam, you are wrong I have the USB FF on my desk, you should check your facts before flaming someone. I am not an idiot "Sam Mancuso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U3bu4.22156$[email hidden]... > Braddo- > > You are incorrect- 3 times! Microsoft does not have a USB Force Feedback > wheel (or joystick). Many people produce FF USB wheels but Microsoft isnot > one of them due to their use of DirectInput which requires theMIDI/Gameport

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> information. > > www.joy-stick.net > > > "Braddo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:89a7pc$v7a$[email hidden]... > > Well G_Major you are incorrect, the new MSFF wheel is indeed USB and has > > force feedback. > > > > Logitech also produce a FF USB wheel. > > > > I have both the MSFF wheels, the gameport and the new USB. > > > > Get the USB wheel, it it a tighter wheel, the software is updated for > > profiling (now integrated into the game controller software) and the

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> on > > the wheel is improved. > > > > Personally I love this wheel > > "Jonathan Thrower" <[email hidden]> > wrote > > in message news:zXTt4.2543$O5.53317@stones... > > > Hi > > > my MSFF only has gameport connector. > > > > > > Jon > > > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lBBt4.12648$[email hidden]... > > > > Hmmmmmmmm? You mean MSFF wheel does not come in USB version. If it > > does, > > > > it would be called MS Precision Racing Wheel? Did you get the two > mixed > > > up? > > > > <G> > > > > > > > > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:5mBt4.4797$[email hidden]... > > > > > USB has no force feedback > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > "To finish first, you first must finish the race" > > > > > --Mark Martin > > > > > g_major on TEN > > > > > http://drive.to/racehard (Personal Page) > > > > > [Remove "NOSPAM" to reply by email] > > > > > "Brittney Spears will be my wife" -G_Major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'll bet you $1000.00 that MS does produce a USB force feedback wheel. Either that or that box at Babbages was full of rocks. BTW, I did read it carefully, it was NOT the MS precision racing wheel (usb, non ffb), but in fact a USB FFB wheel. Well aware of their choice to purchase an api (well, purchase the whole damn company) that relied on the MIDI interface in some misguided attempt to make hookup easier back in the pre-usb days when Immersion required serial. Kinda backfired, eh? Especially if you own a joyswitch. I suspect that DX-7 includes some nifty code to allow USB with this same API, that is why I mentioned the DX-7 requirement in my previous post on this topic, and the lack of any Immersion credits on the box. And I can tell you that their website does NOT reflect this new wheel yet. http://www.microsoft.com/products/hardware/sidewinder/devices/FFBWheel/default.htm#sysreq Not flaming ya, I was just as certain as you that they didn't make a USB ffb wheel until I held it in my hands at Babbages in St. Louis. 'Course, I could use that $1000.00... Jim On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:06:28 GMT, "Sam Mancuso" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Braddo- > >You are incorrect- 3 times! Microsoft does not have a USB Force Feedback >wheel (or joystick). Many people produce FF USB wheels but Microsoft is not >one of them due to their use of DirectInput which requires the MIDI/Gameport >for operation.

I think this is a case of everybody being sorta right base on the age of their info. According to my brother, who works at the MS Redmond campus, they had a USB FF wheel, but pulled it because it rather sucked and put it back for a redesign. Apparently, the new version is starting to ship, based upon the sightings claimed in this thread. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Not looking to start a war (or loose $1000) but I was told by MS a while back that USB was not being offered "for a while". In MS terms "a while" is usually "quite a while". I was suppose to be told when something new came out but my contacts have changed. I'm checking with them now to see what the deal is, if it exists, what API it uses, etc. -- Sam Mancuso Visit The Control Center for PC and PlayStation controller news, reviews and information. www.joy-stick.net "Jim Burlis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'll bet you $1000.00 that MS does produce a USB force feedback wheel. > Either that or that box at Babbages was full of rocks. > > BTW, I did read it carefully, it was NOT the MS precision racing wheel > (usb, non ffb), but in fact a USB FFB wheel. > > Well aware of their choice to purchase an api (well, purchase the > whole damn company) that relied on the MIDI interface in some > misguided attempt to make hookup easier back in the pre-usb days when > Immersion required serial. Kinda backfired, eh? Especially if you own > a joyswitch. > > I suspect that DX-7 includes some nifty code to allow USB with this > same API, that is why I mentioned the DX-7 requirement in my previous > post on this topic, and the lack of any Immersion credits on the box. > > And I can tell you that their website does NOT reflect this new wheel > yet. > > http://www.microsoft.com/products/hardware/sidewinder/devices/FFBWheel/defau lt.htm#sysreq > > Not flaming ya, I was just as certain as you that they didn't make a > USB ffb wheel until I held it in my hands at Babbages in St. Louis. > > 'Course, I could use that $1000.00... > > Jim > > > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:06:28 GMT, "Sam Mancuso" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Braddo- > > > >You are incorrect- 3 times! Microsoft does not have a USB Force Feedback > >wheel (or joystick). Many people produce FF USB wheels but Microsoft is not > >one of them due to their use of DirectInput which requires the MIDI/Gameport > >for operation. >

Well Sam, I guess I just won't believe it exists until you say so. Thanks for your service! Jim On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:40:43 GMT, "Sam Mancuso" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Not looking to start a war (or loose $1000) but I was told by MS a while >back that USB was not being offered "for a while". In MS terms "a while" is >usually "quite a while". I was suppose to be told when something new came >out but my contacts have changed. > >I'm checking with them now to see what the deal is, if it exists, what API >it uses, etc.

Not quite sure what is going on here, but the MS FF USB Wheel has been available in the UK for a while now. Iain Jim Burlis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well Sam, > > I guess I just won't believe it exists until you say so. > > Thanks for your service! > > Jim > > > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:40:43 GMT, "Sam Mancuso" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Not looking to start a war (or loose $1000) but I was told by MS a while > >back that USB was not being offered "for a while". In MS terms "a while"

is > >usually "quite a while". I was suppose to be told when something newcame > >out but my contacts have changed. > > > >I'm checking with them now to see what the deal is, if it exists, whatAPI > >it uses, etc. >