GP3 Interview - 1

If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to R.A.S.???? I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry response to you...... binary groups are for binaries....... I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your behaviour it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary newsgroups but you obviously aren't. Jeez!!!

Look mate, I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. Checked replies (from Rafe M) Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet who said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some no show. After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of the planet. Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would like to see and read whole article. You should of passed on by. Re: UK phone charges. I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. Download one then stop....go read something else. Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. Ian. Northern UK.

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> If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > R.A.S.???? > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > response to you...... > binary groups are for binaries....... > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > behaviour > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > Jeez!!! > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > I also posted these to binary group. > > Ian.

And then you get the lucky bastards like yours truly who don't have to bother with phone charges at all, with their nice 24hr university ethernet connections... :-) Bobby

Thats no excuse to post them in a non-binary group, put them on a website and put the link here. we dont get a choice of what to download, we do it all in one go so we can disconnect. -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl == > Look mate, > I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. > Checked replies (from Rafe M) > Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet who > said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some no > show. > After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of the > planet. > Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would > like to see and read whole article. > You should of passed on by. > Re: UK phone charges. > I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. > Download one then stop....go read something else. > Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. > Ian. > Northern UK. > > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > > R.A.S.???? > > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > > response to you...... > > binary groups are for binaries....... > > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > > behaviour > > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > > Jeez!!! > > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > > I also posted these to binary group. > > > Ian.

Sorry, "Ian", old shoe, but you know perfectly well why binaries are NOT to be posted to non-binary NGs. It's not a matter of "don't like it, don't open it" -- it's STILL a massive drain on the storage resources of the Web's many news servers, by whose good graces and at whose sufferance these newsgroups are allowed to exist. Many servers have shut down unpoliced non-binary groups that get filled with huge files like yours, and it could happen to THIS group too. Besides that, many people get NG message downloads en masse, and seven of your turdbombs makes a HUGE difference in connect time. If a "bloke from other side of planet" wanted to see them, you could have emailed them to him privately as attachments, or posted them to one of the 27 gazillion free image posting sites all over the Web, and simply provided a link in one message. But you were too ***ing lazy to do that, weren't you? BTW, hiding behind your lame-dick "anonymous" email identity doesn't do much good when the full headers of your SEVEN 400+K binaries clearly reveal the message path. I've already complained to your ISP, and will continue to do so. Netcop? Yeah -- I am...ask in rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated what can happen to an unmoderated NG when its members don't adequately police themselves -- and then go over to rec.autos.sport.f1 (the unmoderated one) to see flamers and binary bombers doing their best to drive THAT group off every news server on the planet. MAYBE you shouldn't have bothered? ***y well right you shouldn't have bothered. Act like an *** or get stuffed... BB -------------------------------------------------------- Path: newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.online.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!landlord!stones.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators References: Subject: GP3 article - scanned, cropped, photoshoped......maybe shouldn't have bothered. Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:14:37 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.70.125 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: stones 951163907 212.159.70.125 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT Xref: nntp.earthlink.net rec.autos.simulators:240000 Look mate, I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. Checked replies (from Rafe M) Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet who said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some no show. After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of the planet. Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would like to see and read whole article. You should of passed on by. Re: UK phone charges. I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. Download one then stop....go read something else. Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. Ian. Northern UK.

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> If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > R.A.S.???? > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > response to you...... > binary groups are for binaries....... > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > behaviour > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > Jeez!!! > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > I also posted these to binary group. > > Ian.

Have you ever lived in the UK MrV? Or some other country where you have to pay for ALL phone calls, even local calls, by the minute? Ever wonder how big phone bills can become? Having to _pay_ because someone was inconsiderate enough to upload binaries to a non-binary newsgroup or to send a huge email attachment is a pain in the ass. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes and all that ... S.

Shut the *** up will you. I along with others appeciate this posting. If you can't afford it you should not have the internet.

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> If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > R.A.S.???? > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > response to you...... > binary groups are for binaries....... > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > behaviour > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > Jeez!!! > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > I also posted these to binary group. > > Ian.

Completely Agree. if i want to walk into your living room and take a steaming dump on yuour sofa, i shoudl be able to, right? I mean, if you can;t afford to clean it, why have a door to the street? Z.

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>Shut the *** up will you. I along with others appeciate this posting. >If you can't afford it you should not have the internet. >> If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to >> R.A.S.???? >> I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry >> response to you...... >> binary groups are for binaries....... >> I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your >> behaviour >> it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary >> newsgroups but you obviously aren't. >> Jeez!!! >> > For Rafe..and any *** else. >> > I also posted these to binary group. >> > Ian.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

Too ***ing lazy to go to the trouble of scanning the artice, editing it and posting it to a ng simply to allow other people to read articles they have no access to. Oh Mr policeman, do you really think that the email address is an attempt at being anonymous? Please... You obviously don't get it that the posting was a simple well meaning gesture to help others out. I agree that the pics were way too big for the internet, and sympathise that you have to pay by the minute. But to go and complain to his ISP for an honest oversight? He posted about opinions on posting the articles here, and noone responded bar me. Our thoughts were that many can't get the binary group, and so this would allow the posts to reach those who are interested. Given the size of the files and reaction, probably not a good idea. We all learn by our mistakes...Unless you are perfect? The bottom line is that the binaries group was tried, and only two posts appeared to get through. This repost appeared in RAS at Remarq, but not in absa. The only reason I ended up getting the article was because it was posted here. I am sure there are plenty of others who were quite happy to be able to get the article. Before you go jumping the gun and*** everyone in sight, try being more open about peoples reasons. Rafe Mc

To R.A.S. I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about yesterdays posts. The posts were well meant with no malice or hurt intended, simply to allow others to see the GP3 article published here in the UK. We originally posted it to the simulator binary group as advised, but noted from replies that some people don't have access to this forum. Hence, my re-post here. With hindsight, posting here was a mistake - an honest mistake. Something I deeply regret. In relation to issues of protocol, bandwidth, posting via e-mail and "go there" links, I plead the ignorance of a new Newsgroup/Internet reader who wished only to participate in this group as myself and my family are enthusiastic about racing simulators and this group has helped in solving one or two problems which have arisen whilst playing games like GPL and GP2.... To which we are grateful. In parting, I wish to state apologies to all. Ian. newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.ne t!newsfeed.earthlink.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.online.be !uunet!ams.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!landlord!stones.POSTED!not-for- mail

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> From: > Newsgroups: > rec.autos.simulators > References: > GP3 article - scanned, cropped, > photoshoped......maybe shouldn't have bothered. > Lines: > 62 > X-Priority: > 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: > Normal > X-Newsreader: > Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 > X-MimeOLE: > Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Message-ID: > Date: > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:14:37 -0000 > NNTP-Posting-Host: > 212.159.70.125 > X-Complaints-To: > X-Trace: > stones 951163907 212.159.70.125 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 > 20:11:47 GMT) > NNTP-Posting-Date: > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT > Xref: > nntp.earthlink.net rec.autos.simulators:240000 > Look mate, > I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. > Checked replies (from Rafe M) > Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet who > said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some

no > show. > After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of the

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> planet. > Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would > like to see and read whole article. > You should of passed on by. > Re: UK phone charges. > I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. > Download one then stop....go read something else. > Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. > Ian. > Northern UK. > > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > > R.A.S.???? > > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > > response to you...... > > binary groups are for binaries....... > > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > > behaviour > > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > > Jeez!!! > > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > > I also posted these to binary group. > > > Ian.

What a gent! Kurt

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>To R.A.S. >I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about yesterdays >posts. >The posts were well meant with no malice or hurt intended, simply to allow >others to see the GP3 article published here in the UK. >We originally posted it to the simulator binary group as advised, but noted >from replies that some people don't have access to this forum. >Hence, my re-post here. >With hindsight, posting here was a mistake - an honest mistake. >Something I deeply regret. >In relation to issues of protocol, bandwidth, posting via e-mail and "go >there" links, I plead the ignorance of a new Newsgroup/Internet reader who >wished only to participate in this group as myself and my family are >enthusiastic about racing simulators and this group has helped in solving >one or two problems which have arisen whilst playing games like GPL and >GP2.... >To which we are grateful. >In parting, I wish to state apologies to all. >Ian. >> Sorry, "Ian", old shoe, but you know perfectly well why binaries are NOT >> to be posted to non-binary NGs. It's not a matter of "don't like it, >> don't open it" -- it's STILL a massive drain on the storage resources of >> the Web's many news servers, by whose good graces and at whose >> sufferance these newsgroups are allowed to exist. Many servers have shut >> down unpoliced non-binary groups that get filled with huge files like >> yours, and it could happen to THIS group too. Besides that, many people >> get NG message downloads en masse, and seven of your turdbombs makes a >> HUGE difference in connect time. If a "bloke from other side of planet" >> wanted to see them, you could have emailed them to him privately as >> attachments, or posted them to one of the 27 gazillion free image >> posting sites all over the Web, and simply provided a link in one >> message. But you were too ***ing lazy to do that, weren't you? >> BTW, hiding behind your lame-dick "anonymous" email identity doesn't do >> much good when the full headers of your SEVEN 400+K binaries clearly >> reveal the message path. I've already complained to your ISP, and will >> continue to do so. Netcop? Yeah -- I am...ask in >> rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated what can happen to an unmoderated NG when >> its members don't adequately police themselves -- and then go over to >> rec.autos.sport.f1 (the unmoderated one) to see flamers and binary >> bombers doing their best to drive THAT group off every news server on >> the planet. >> MAYBE you shouldn't have bothered? ***y well right you shouldn't have >> bothered. Act like an *** or get stuffed... >> BB >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> Path: >newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.n

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>mail >> From: >> Newsgroups: >> rec.autos.simulators >> References: >> Subject: >> GP3 article - scanned, cropped, >> photoshoped......maybe shouldn't have bothered. >> Lines: >> 62 >> X-Priority: >> 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: >> Normal >> X-Newsreader: >> Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >> X-MimeOLE: >> Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >> Message-ID: >> Date: >> Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:14:37 -0000 >> NNTP-Posting-Host: >> 212.159.70.125 >> X-Complaints-To: >> X-Trace: >> stones 951163907 212.159.70.125 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 >> 20:11:47 GMT) >> NNTP-Posting-Date: >> Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT >> Xref: >> nntp.earthlink.net rec.autos.simulators:240000 >> Look mate, >> I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. >> Checked replies (from Rafe M) >> Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet

who

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>> said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some >no >> show. >> After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of >the >> planet. >> Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers

would

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>> like to see and read whole article. >> You should of passed on by. >> Re: UK phone charges. >> I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. >> Download one then stop....go read something else. >> Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. >> Ian. >> Northern UK. >> > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to >> > R.A.S.???? >> > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry >> > response to you...... >> > binary groups are for binaries....... >> > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your >> > behaviour >> > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary >> > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. >> > Jeez!!! >> > > For Rafe..and any *** else. >> > > I also posted these to binary group. >> > > Ian.

Agree. Very good to apologize.

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> What a gent! > Kurt > >To R.A.S. > >I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about

yesterdays > >posts. > >In parting, I wish to state apologies to all. > >Ian.

I'm glad he posted em here (very informative) :-) It sure didn't bother me anyhow. But our resident NG police must have thought otherwise hence the apology :-) Mitch > To R.A.S. > I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about yesterdays > posts. > The posts were well meant with no malice or hurt intended, simply to allow > others to see the GP3 article published here in the UK. > We originally posted it to the simulator binary group as advised, but noted

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> from replies that some people don't have access to this forum. > Hence, my re-post here. > With hindsight, posting here was a mistake - an honest mistake. > Something I deeply regret. > In relation to issues of protocol, bandwidth, posting via e-mail and "go > there" links, I plead the ignorance of a new Newsgroup/Internet reader who > wished only to participate in this group as myself and my family are > enthusiastic about racing simulators and this group has helped in solving > one or two problems which have arisen whilst playing games like GPL and > GP2.... > To which we are grateful. > In parting, I wish to state apologies to all. > Ian. > > Sorry, "Ian", old shoe, but you know perfectly well why binaries are NOT > > to be posted to non-binary NGs. It's not a matter of "don't like it, > > don't open it" -- it's STILL a massive drain on the storage resources of > > the Web's many news servers, by whose good graces and at whose > > sufferance these newsgroups are allowed to exist. Many servers have shut > > down unpoliced non-binary groups that get filled with huge files like > > yours, and it could happen to THIS group too. Besides that, many people > > get NG message downloads en masse, and seven of your turdbombs makes a > > HUGE difference in connect time. If a "bloke from other side of planet" > > wanted to see them, you could have emailed them to him privately as > > attachments, or posted them to one of the 27 gazillion free image > > posting sites all over the Web, and simply provided a link in one > > message. But you were too ***ing lazy to do that, weren't you? > > BTW, hiding behind your lame-dick "anonymous" email identity doesn't do > > much good when the full headers of your SEVEN 400+K binaries clearly > > reveal the message path. I've already complained to your ISP, and will > > continue to do so. Netcop? Yeah -- I am...ask in > > rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated what can happen to an unmoderated NG when > > its members don't adequately police themselves -- and then go over to > > rec.autos.sport.f1 (the unmoderated one) to see flamers and binary > > bombers doing their best to drive THAT group off every news server on > > the planet. > > MAYBE you shouldn't have bothered? ***y well right you shouldn't have > > bothered. Act like an *** or get stuffed... > > BB > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Path:

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> > From: > > Newsgroups: > > rec.autos.simulators > > References: > > Subject: > > GP3 article - scanned, cropped, > > photoshoped......maybe shouldn't have bothered. > > Lines: > > 62 > > X-Priority: > > 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: > > Normal > > X-Newsreader: > > Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 > > X-MimeOLE: > > Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > Message-ID: > > Date: > > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:14:37 -0000 > > NNTP-Posting-Host: > > 212.159.70.125 > > X-Complaints-To: > > X-Trace: > > stones 951163907 212.159.70.125 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 > > 20:11:47 GMT) > > NNTP-Posting-Date: > > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT > > Xref: > > nntp.earthlink.net rec.autos.simulators:240000 > > Look mate, > > I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. > > Checked replies (from Rafe M) > > Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet

who

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> > said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some > no > > show. > > After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of > the > > planet. > > Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers

would

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> > like to see and read whole article. > > You should of passed on by. > > Re: UK phone charges. > > I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. > > Download one then stop....go read something else. > > Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. > > Ian. > > Northern UK. > > > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > > > R.A.S.???? > > > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > > > response to you...... > > > binary groups are for binaries....... > > > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > > > behaviour > > > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > > > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > > > Jeez!!! > > > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > > > I also posted these to binary group. > > > > Ian.

No I have never lived in the Uk. But I know what you are talking about since I am from Italy. I found it very informative.

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> > Shut the *** up will you. I along with others appeciate this posting. > > If you can't afford it you should not have the internet. > Have you ever lived in the UK MrV? Or some other country where you have to > pay for ALL phone calls, even local calls, by the minute? Ever wonder how > big phone bills can become? Having to _pay_ because someone was > inconsiderate enough to upload binaries to a non-binary newsgroup or to send > a huge email attachment is a pain in the ass. Walk a mile in someone elses > shoes and all that ... > S.

As a matter of fact I can afford it, but I dont like wasting my money. -- Ian Parker UKGPL League http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl == > Shut the *** up will you. I along with others appeciate this posting. > If you can't afford it you should not have the internet. > > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to > > R.A.S.???? > > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > > response to you...... > > binary groups are for binaries....... > > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your > > behaviour > > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > > Jeez!!! > > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > > I also posted these to binary group. > > > Ian.

Ok Ian no probs mate......... Just expect my phone bill thru your letter box if you do it again ;0) Dave > To R.A.S. > I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about yesterdays > posts. > The posts were well meant with no malice or hurt intended, simply to allow > others to see the GP3 article published here in the UK. > We originally posted it to the simulator binary group as advised, but noted

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> from replies that some people don't have access to this forum. > Hence, my re-post here. > With hindsight, posting here was a mistake - an honest mistake. > Something I deeply regret. > In relation to issues of protocol, bandwidth, posting via

e-mail and "go > there" links, I plead the ignorance of a new Newsgroup/Internet reader who > wished only to participate in this group as myself and my family are > enthusiastic about racing simulators and this group has helped in solving > one or two problems which have arisen whilst playing games like GPL and

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> GP2.... > To which we are grateful. > In parting, I wish to state apologies to all. > Ian. > > Sorry, "Ian", old shoe, but you know perfectly well why

binaries are NOT > > to be posted to non-binary NGs. It's not a matter of "don't like it, > > don't open it" -- it's STILL a massive drain on the storage resources of > > the Web's many news servers, by whose good graces and at whose > > sufferance these newsgroups are allowed to exist. Many servers have shut > > down unpoliced non-binary groups that get filled with huge files like > > yours, and it could happen to THIS group too. Besides that, many people > > get NG message downloads en masse, and seven of your turdbombs makes a > > HUGE difference in connect time. If a "bloke from other side of planet" > > wanted to see them, you could have emailed them to him privately as > > attachments, or posted them to one of the 27 gazillion free image > > posting sites all over the Web, and simply provided a link in one > > message. But you were too ***ing lazy to do that, weren't you? > > BTW, hiding behind your lame-dick "anonymous" email identity doesn't do > > much good when the full headers of your SEVEN 400+K binaries clearly > > reveal the message path. I've already complained to your ISP, and will > > continue to do so. Netcop? Yeah -- I am...ask in > > rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated what can happen to an unmoderated NG when > > its members don't adequately police themselves -- and then go over to > > rec.autos.sport.f1 (the unmoderated one) to see flamers and binary > > bombers doing their best to drive THAT group off every news server on > > the planet. > > MAYBE you shouldn't have bothered? ***y well right you shouldn't have

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> > bothered. Act like an *** or get stuffed... > > BB > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Path:

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> > From: > > Newsgroups: > > rec.autos.simulators > > References: > > Subject: > > GP3 article - scanned, cropped, > > photoshoped......maybe shouldn't have bothered. > > Lines: > > 62 > > X-Priority: > > 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: > > Normal > > X-Newsreader: > > Microsoft Outlook Express

5.00.2919.6600 > > X-MimeOLE: > > Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600

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> > Message-ID: > > Date: > > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:14:37 -0000 > > NNTP-Posting-Host: > > 212.159.70.125 > > X-Complaints-To: > > X-Trace: > > stones 951163907 212.159.70.125 (Mon,

21 Feb 2000 > > 20:11:47 GMT) > > NNTP-Posting-Date: > > Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:47 GMT > > Xref: > > nntp.earthlink.net rec.autos.simulators:240000

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> > Look mate, > > I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. > > Checked replies (from Rafe M) > > Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of

the planet who > > said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some > no > > show. > > After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of > the > > planet. > > Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would

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> > like to see and read whole article. > > You should of passed on by. > > Re: UK phone charges. > > I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. > > Download one then stop....go read something else. > > Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3

debate.

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> > Ian. > > Northern UK. > > > If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em

here to > > > R.A.S.???? > > > I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry > > > response to you...... > > > binary groups are for binaries....... > > > I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your

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> > > behaviour > > > it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary > > > newsgroups but you obviously aren't. > > > Jeez!!! > > > > For Rafe..and any *** else. > > > > I also posted these to binary group. > > > > Ian.

I'm glad you bothered. I access through the Swiss phone service, which is also not free. I'm not going to wet my pants over the cost of a cup of coffee, especially since this was discussed a few times beforehand, and there was a definite problem with accessing the information in the binary groups. Magazine articles on this highly anticipated game are some of the more useful information in this group lately (that and Clegg's question about sliding tires that is really sticking in my head). So thanks. Don't worry too much about the UK folks who bleat the same nonsense every time a binary pops up here. I can count on my fingers the number of times a binary has been sent here. And of those, most have been interesting for a broad audience. With all the fuss, one would think people are still using 1200baud modems. It's not like the newsgroup is getting 10 binaries a day... Stephen : Look mate, : I SENT them to the binary group a couple of days ago. : Checked replies (from Rafe M) : Not everyone can get binary group, bloke from other side of the planet who : said he'd love to see them tried to go through Remarq to see them...some no : show. : After exchanged messages, posted them here for bloke from other side of the : planet. : Figured that people would cut me some slack seeing as non-uk simmers would : like to see and read whole article. : You should of passed on by. : Re: UK phone charges. : I live in UK, so I know EXACTLY how much it ***ing costs. : Download one then stop....go read something else. : Maybe I shouldn't have bothered....just trying to add to GP3 debate. : Ian. : Northern UK. :> If you knew about the binary group then why did u send em here to :> R.A.S.???? :> :> I'm still retrieving posts while i'm writing this very angry :> response to you...... :> :> binary groups are for binaries....... :> :> I'm in the UK and don't appreciate paying by the minute for your :> behaviour :> it wouldn't be so bad if you had been ignorant of binary :> newsgroups but you obviously aren't. :> :> Jeez!!! :> :> :> > For Rafe..and any *** else. :> > :> > I also posted these to binary group. :> > :> > Ian. :> > :> > :> > :> :>

Ian mate, I'm with you on this one. Much appreciated too. Whilst I have access to binary groups I loathe having to wade through gallons of shite to get what I want. Pedantic ***s that don't want anything other than text in r.a.s because it doesn't have the magical .binaries. included in the title can take a running jump. You did us a favour mate. I'm in the UK too so I know the pain of phone bills too, but really 40 odd pence is hardly gonna keep you in chocolate biscuits for five minutes these days. It's hardly a life shattering expense for quality merchandise is it. Cheers, (Climbing into the flame-proof bunker) Colin PS. Ian, you up for a GPL LAN sometime, by the look of it your not a million miles away from my end of the country. Good excuse for a piss-up too (spot the Scotsman)

Dave, not including the text from all the previous posts in the thread saves a lot of bandwidth too... Andre On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:31:43 -0000, "Force9" >Ok Ian no probs mate......... >Just expect my phone bill thru your letter box if you do it again >;0) >Dave The rest of the text <SNIPPED> to save that precious bandwidth

>To R.A.S. >I would like to make an apology to all who read this group about yesterdays >posts. sorry...i missed that. could you re-post it? :) Bo

I have discovered that if one wishes to post a scanned article from a magazine, it is often a better idea to use GIF. Text on a page is really only two colors, and a decent image editing program can give you a GIF with 2,4,8, 16, 32 or whatever number of colors rather than the usual 256. Broadly generalized, GIF discards color info to reduce file size and JPG discards detail, so in this application GIF is sometimes a better choice. The file sizes can be smaller, there is no loss of detail in the type and there are none of the 'squiggly' artifacts that sometimes accompany JPG compression. ~daxe

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:59:13 -0500, "daxe"

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>> Also, depending on your platform (Mac, PC, whatever), there are graphics >> programs -- many of them free- or share-ware -- to optimize your JPEG >> file sizes. >I have discovered that if one wishes to post a scanned article from a >magazine, it is often a better idea to use GIF. Text on a page is really >only two colors, and a decent image editing program can give you a GIF with >2,4,8, 16, 32 or whatever number of colors rather than the usual 256. >Broadly generalized, GIF discards color info to reduce file size and JPG >discards detail, so in this application GIF is sometimes a better choice. >The file sizes can be smaller, there is no loss of detail in the type and >there are none of the 'squiggly' artifacts that sometimes accompany JPG >compression. >~daxe

Not a bad idea, as long as the pix are zipped up to reduce space. You can never get the same compression as available in a jpeg. It all depends on the picture in question and what its use is. Rafe Mc

Although I will give a nod to the argument about possibly (and one should stress "possibly") jeapordizing free access for newsgroup storage on public servers. A newsgroup jammed with hundreds of binaries a day will generate this kind of attention. One or two will not. Stephen : I'm glad you bothered. I access through the Swiss phone service, which is : also not free. I'm not going to wet my pants over the cost of a cup of : coffee, especially since this was discussed a few times beforehand, and : there was a definite problem with accessing the information in the binary : groups. Magazine articles on this highly anticipated game are some of the : more useful information in this group lately (that and Clegg's question : about sliding tires that is really sticking in my head).