Daytona tracks and the dedicated PURCHASERS!!!!!!!!!

> SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND IT IS NOT JUST US. Someone needs to hit their caps lock key, and its not me.

I find it interesting that Papy would make the Daytona tracks for BOTH N3 and LEGENDS available to FAT WALLETS who may not give a second hoot about their products at the actual track itself, but in the world of SIM RACING, where WE have shown over the YEARS that we WILL and HAVE IN FACT PURCHASED THEIR PRODUCTS EACH AND EVERY TIME THEY HAVE BEEN INTROCUCED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WE GET SNUBBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE! In the m***sense, putting the nonpaying individual BEFORE the CUSTOMER SHOWS A TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT and I think we need to start to putting this in the perspective. What would it hurt if they made THESE DISKS AVAILABLE TO US AS WELL? NOTHING, THAT IS WHAT. It would cost VERY little to produce extras for the SIM RACING PUBLIC (even to special order if need be) BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD NOT ONE PEEP ABOUT THAT FROM ANYONE. ALL I HAVE HEARD IS THIS PIRACY ISSUE AND HOGWASH. IF THEY CAN ISSUE THE TRACK OUT IF THE "GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS" THEY COULD MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE DEDICATED SIM-RACERS WHO HAVE SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON THEIR PRODUCTS OVER THE YEARS AND SHOWN SUPPORT FOR THEM. SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND IT IS NOT JUST US.

lol, Hey think about the people who buy it actually stick it in the computer and say "wow that is cool to race daytona, hell I think I will go to the puter store and buy this Nascar 3" Later on our unsuspecting redneck loads the game and is ready to play..................."What in sams hell!

Please go out and find a clue. Once you have it report directly to me. Your post indicates to me that you have NO CLUE about what's going on here. My advice: sit back and read this newsgroup for A LONG TIME before you start posting flames like this. Thank you and have a nice day. -/- Walk Walker holder of a clue...

I agree, do people no longer bother to listen before the open their mouths? I have found tons and tons of answers here on this news group just by reading - and, hey, what's this....most ng clients have search/find options to make it easier. Sure, if something is really not out there and you have made a valiant effort to look, even if it was something out there last week but no more, then I really think that is great. But if you just like to jump on and start posting without regard to everyone else - well, it is like the guy who walks into a conversation and starts spouting off stuff when he doesn't even know what the others were talking about. ANNOYING - but I should expect this from a lazy American who thinks they should be handed everything on a silver spoon without working for it. PS - did you ever consider (as pointed out in this here ng) that Papyrus has no say in the matter? Then again, you are probably the same guy that pitches a fit with the grocery store clerk because milk cost too much. LYCOS.COM ROCKS > Please go out and find a clue. Once you have it report directly to me. Your

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> post indicates to me that you have NO CLUE about what's going on here. My > advice: sit back and read this newsgroup for A LONG TIME before you start > posting flames like this. > Thank you and have a nice day. > -/- Walk Walker > holder of a clue... > > I find it interesting that Papy would make the Daytona tracks for

[ranting snipped - though understood ;^) *** to Bill France Jr, et. al. He is the culprit! Regards, Harry Senior Product Engineer Delphi Automotive Systems

Hey it is a free country (here in Canada anyway) nobody is forced to read his rantings. If a guy wants to rant he has every right. Al Stiff > I agree, do people no longer bother to listen before the open their mouths? > I have found tons and tons of answers here on this news group just by > reading - and, hey, what's this....most ng clients have search/find options > to make it easier. > Sure, if something is really not out there and you have made a valiant > effort to look, even if it was something out there last week but no more, > then I really think that is great. But if you just like to jump on and start > posting without regard to everyone else - well, it is like the guy who walks > into a conversation and starts spouting off stuff when he doesn't even know > what the others were talking about. > ANNOYING - but I should expect this from a lazy American who thinks they > should be handed everything on a silver spoon without working for it. > PS - did you ever consider (as pointed out in this here ng) that Papyrus has > no say in the matter? Then again, you are probably the same guy that pitches

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> a fit with the grocery store clerk because milk cost too much. > LYCOS.COM ROCKS > > Please go out and find a clue. Once you have it report directly to me. > Your > > post indicates to me that you have NO CLUE about what's going on here.

My > > advice: sit back and read this newsgroup for A LONG TIME before you start

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> > posting flames like this. > > Thank you and have a nice day. > > -/- Walk Walker > > holder of a clue... > > > I find it interesting that Papy would make the Daytona tracks for

>ANNOYING - but I should expect this from a lazy American who thinks they >should be handed everything on a silver spoon without working for it. *plonk* -- // rrev at mindspring dot com // s.p.u.t.u.m. - unit.26 // http://www.cabal.net

This is getting kinda silly isn't it? Papy had a chance to do a demo for the the owners of the track and they have to play by those owners rules. Would you rather EA did it? If you feel you are not getting your moneys worth from Papyrus products then don't buy them.

As an un-lazy American who works his ass off, I don't appreciate that remark. Where are you from?

He is obviously someone who has never met a middle class American.

> > > ANNOYING - but I should expect this from a lazy American who thinks > they > > > should be handed everything on a silver spoon without working for > it. Everything wouldn't fit on a spoon, silver or otherwise..... spoons are small..... Sheesh... Even I... a lowly American knows that..... Later, Brian

Duh... Papy knew damn well that we would easily insert the track into our Nascar3 installations. So all of your caps asside, you are totally full of shit. Um... IMHO :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

USA! USA! USA! Without working for it??? And, where, may I ask, are you from? I personally find it a poor move on Papy's part (though they may have been blocked by the agreement) not to post the tracks on the net...so long-time dedicated purchasers like myself (ICR1 and both track packs, N1 and the track pack, ICR2, N2, N99, GPL, N3, NL, and likely anything in the future, especially a GPL-based open-wheel sim (hey, even IRL would be OK, it could be patched)) could download it. Of course, it seems that they don't care too much about the huge amount of people downloading it illegally (myself included - it really should've been in N1) so BE THANKFUL FOR THAT...I haven't heard of any sites being shut down (at least not yet) for posting that stuff. Oh well...this isn't my dream world...of course, if it was, my '70 GMC pickup would have a blown 502 (No replacement for displacement...about as American as it gets, no tiny over-head-cam 4-banger ***here) all of my PCs would be running 850 MHz Athlons (overclocked faster of course) with GeForce video cards (and GPL would fly on them!), I'd be playing GPL2-based ICR5, and Chevy would produce the 600+ hp prototype ZL1 that Jon Moss cooked up....Car and Driver TV, watch it... As it is, my '70 GMC has a very mild gas-guzzlin 350, my PCs run a Celeron 450 (300a) and a PII 466 (350) with a G200/V2 and a Rendition, I'm playing GPL and (whenever money permits) Ferrari 355 Challenge at the arcade, and Chevy is debating whether to produce the Camaro at all (tho I would rather have it rest in peace than return as a castrated FWD wannabe...) *end rant* *sigh* Guess I'll have to be content for what I've got...it's better than lots of other people, poor chumps have to pay $4 a gallon elsewhere... -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

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> I find it interesting that Papy would make the Daytona tracks for > BOTH N3 and LEGENDS available to FAT WALLETS who may not give a second > hoot about their products at the actual track itself, but in the world > of SIM RACING, where WE have shown over the YEARS that we WILL and > HAVE IN FACT PURCHASED THEIR PRODUCTS EACH AND EVERY TIME THEY HAVE > BEEN INTROCUCED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WE GET SNUBBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > THIS IS AN OUTRAGE OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE! In the m***sense, > putting the nonpaying individual BEFORE the CUSTOMER SHOWS A TOTAL > LACK OF RESPECT and I think we need to start to putting this in the > perspective. > What would it hurt if they made THESE DISKS AVAILABLE TO US AS > WELL? NOTHING, THAT IS WHAT. It would cost VERY little to > produce extras for the SIM RACING PUBLIC (even to special order if > need be) BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD NOT ONE PEEP ABOUT THAT FROM ANYONE. > ALL I HAVE HEARD IS THIS PIRACY ISSUE AND HOGWASH. IF THEY CAN ISSUE > THE TRACK OUT IF THE "GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS" THEY COULD MAKE THEM > AVAILABLE TO THE DEDICATED SIM-RACERS WHO HAVE SPENT HUNDREDS OF > DOLLARS ON THEIR PRODUCTS OVER THE YEARS AND SHOWN SUPPORT FOR THEM. > SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND IT IS NOT JUST US.