DTR: Dirt Track Racing #1 In Unit Sales Again in the USA....

[link lost in import] Dirt Track Racing is still enjoying its position as the only racing simulation ranked in the TOP 20 in units sold. One can say all they want about all the other racing simulations, but they are no where to be found. Its no wonder that DTR is taking over the racing world. Dirt Racing in the united states with 732 is attended yearly by over 70 million fans. If you are wanting for a great racing simulation. DTR is a no brainer. TOP 20 BEST SELLING ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE TITLES RANKED ON UNITS JANUARY 23 - JANUARY 29, 2000

I haven't had the pleasure of DTR yet and I'm not slamming it - it looks quite enjoyable, and I plan on grabbing it myself but sales don't necessarily make a killer game.... MYST anyone?

GPL has probably the least sales but it is obviously the SIM of all SIMS of all time!!!! - John

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html DTR was a budget title from the start. Those sales figures tell nothing about the quality of a sim. I bought it and I'm disappointed, even though I'd rank Powerslide as one of my favourite games ever.

Yes, and Aunt Jemima's outsells real maple syrup, too. (Caution: both will***up your harddrive) --DK [link lost in import] tml Dirt Track Racing is still enjoying its position as the only racing simulation ranked in the TOP 20 in units sold. One can say all they want about all the other racing simulations, but they are no where to be found. Its no wonder that DTR is taking over the racing world. Dirt Racing in the united states with 732 is attended yearly by over 70 million fans. If you are wanting for a great racing simulation. DTR is a no brainer. TOP 20 BEST SELLING ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE TITLES RANKED ON UNITS JANUARY 23 - JANUARY 29, 2000

DTR is alright,but to me its just boring. I played it for about an hour before I dumped it. I think David Karr said it best "...Aunt Jemima's outsells real maple syrup, too."

> http://www. <snipped> Please loose the html... Since when do high sales prove anything, esp. if a game is a sim or not? As the audience for *** sims is rather small, exactly the opposite should be the case. l8er ronny -- "I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic message." "That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

You know, I don't think Wilshe actually *reads* this newsgroup--I think he merely considers it to be one of his "marketing avenues." Thus he can tell a client that he reached "x" numbers of potential customers today. He does seem blind to the fact (at least I hope it's a fact) that this a group for discussion and not blatant advertising. Bit pathetic, but there you go . . . --DK

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David: Yes I read the newsgroup and assist troubled users for all sims when i can. I also believe that people that are looking for information about sim products whether they be steering wheels or software want information on the status of product. Whether its a good wheel or a great software the public deserves to know the current status. I will not apologize that DTR is #1 in unit sales. You are entitled to your opinions, but you dont know me. Also I dont work for anyone. DW

Maybe a few years ago Don, But it's been a long time since your post have anything to do with something other then DTR or Leadfoot. It's ok to make money and its ok to work for those guys. And rarely do I ever see you respond to a thread unless it is one you started. And your post are almost pure advertising sometimes. Granted its a good game. I did nothing for me, but hell what I like has nothing to do with what is good. Cya later Don, do you ever race N3 anymore? -- Kevin Anderson --------------------------------------------------- DK-Racing #15 K_Anderson ------------------------------------------------- http://www.awtech.net/ http://www.nascar-3.com/ > > You know, I don't think Wilshe actually *reads* this newsgroup--I think he > > merely considers it to be one of his "marketing avenues." Thus he can > tell > > a client that he reached "x" numbers of potential customers today. He > does > > seem blind to the fact (at least I hope it's a fact) that this a group for > > discussion and not blatant advertising. > > Bit pathetic, but there you go . . . > > --DK > David: > Yes I read the newsgroup and assist troubled users for all sims when i can. > I also believe that > people that are looking for information about sim products whether they be > steering wheels or > software want information on the status of product. Whether its a good > wheel or a great software > the public deserves to know the current status. I will not apologize that > DTR is #1 in unit sales. > You are entitled to your opinions, but you dont know me. Also I dont work > for anyone. > DW

I love Powerslide, too. DTR would have been OK if there were some non-oval tracks included. Yeah, there are some variations on ovals, but ultimately I find the whole experience rather boring. Online racing, even on ovals, can be quite fun, and the DTR multiplayer code is really good. I think Leadfoot looks like it may be OK. I don't mind the budgetary positioning, to be honest. There are many more products that I think would do better if the manufacturers set a lower unit price and targeted a larger market. Ryan Mitchley

Thanks for the info Don. I actually do apppreciate hearing interesting news about sims other than those made by Papyrus. Maybe when this thread cools off, I'll throw out some sales figures and reviews of RC2000 and watch the fan club get hot and bothered about nothing all over again. :-) David G Fisher http://www.gamedaily.com/npd_trst/january_00/jan23_29/jan23_29intp20e... Dirt Track Racing is still enjoying its position as the only racing simulation ranked in the TOP 20 in units sold. One can say all they want about all the other racing simulations, but they are no where to be found. Its no wonder that DTR is taking over the racing world. Dirt Racing in the united states with 732 is attended yearly by over 70 million fans. If you are wanting for a great racing simulation. DTR is a no brainer. TOP 20 BEST SELLING ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE TITLES RANKED ON UNITS JANUARY 23 - JANUARY 29, 2000

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>> You know, I don't think Wilshe actually *reads* this newsgroup--I think he >> merely considers it to be one of his "marketing avenues." Thus he can >tell >> a client that he reached "x" numbers of potential customers today. He >does >> seem blind to the fact (at least I hope it's a fact) that this a group for >> discussion and not blatant advertising. >> Bit pathetic, but there you go . . . >> --DK >David: >Yes I read the newsgroup and assist troubled users for all sims when i can. >I also believe that >people that are looking for information about sim products whether they be >steering wheels or >software want information on the status of product. Whether its a good >wheel or a great software >the public deserves to know the current status. I will not apologize that >DTR is #1 in unit sales. >You are entitled to your opinions, but you dont know me. Also I dont work >for anyone. >DW

Man, everyone's picking on you, Don, and I don't know why. I don't know who you are (I'm relatively new to this group) but I absolutely love DTR. The Papyrus sims were fun (the first CART one was the best) but lately, they've been getting way too much into microsimulation. If I want that kind of detail, I can go to the Skip Barber School and just do it for real instead of in front of a screen. I LOVE DTR. This is the kind of racing I grew up with. Every week, my family would head out to Eriez Speedway in Erie, PA and watch a non-NASCAR-sponsored dirt track blowout. Now I live out near Seattle and I find myself heading up to the Monroe track for a small asphalt (NASCAR-sponsored) evening and while that's fun, I miss the dirt. DTR brings all of that back to me. The game is a lot of fun, and I find it's in my CD tray a lot more than any of the Papyrus sims. I want to have fun, not work like a dog to drive a car. Anyway, just wanted to let you (and anyone who cares) that DTR is really worth its $20. There are some problems with the game: no sprint cars. And the sponsorship model is a bit weak (but it's still cool and one of the neatest things about the game compared to other titles). Aw, no one's really going to listen anyway. To hell with it, I'm shutting down and playing instead of talking.

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> > http://www. <snipped> > Please loose the html... > > Dirt Track Racing is still enjoying its position as the only racing > > simulation > > ranked in the TOP 20 in units sold. One can say all they want about > > all > > the other racing simulations, but they are no where to be found. Its > > no > Since when do high sales prove anything, esp. if a game is a sim or

not? > As the audience for *** sims is rather small, exactly the opposite > should be the case. > l8er > ronny AMEN, Ronny. I mean, look at Spirit Of Speed, which has experienced DISMAL sales (probably worse than GPL, in fact). This PROVES that SoS TRULY IS THE BEST RACING SIMULATION EVER, BAR NONE. Uh, that's what your logic would lead us to believe anyway. Bad sales equals great sim with no mass appeal, right? Could be that there's a hole in that logic, perhaps -- maybe there are a few GREAT sims that have enjoyed equally great sales numbers. Which might explain why DTR is doing so well in the sales department. Build a good product with mass appeal and people will buy it. Build a great product with mass appeal and lots of people will buy it. Build a mediocre product with very narrow appeal and few people will buy it once word gets out that it's a mediocre product. Build a great product with very narrow appeal and few people will buy it, period. And to think that I'm not even an MBA . . . <G> -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hey Fish - When Mobil 1 RC gets released in the US will it still require all the patches, or is this going to be a new build? --David Cook > Thanks for the info Don. I actually do apppreciate hearing interesting news about sims other than those made by Papyrus. > Maybe when this thread cools off, I'll throw out some sales figures and reviews of RC2000 and watch the fan club get hot and bothered about nothing all over again. :-) > David G Fisher

Mark: Ya, I have been called about everything you can think of. I didnt mind all the slangs and barbs, until last year someone called me clinton.. hehe Because I usually give them good reason in their minds. I take on the tough issues. My first concern has always been the consumer and if I see the developers arent giving good value. I let the developers have it. Alot of these people love thier developers, ie, papyrus a great company. I love them also, but i also am a critic...but i am big supporter of papyrus.. The Papyrus sims were fun (the first CART one was the best) I agree.. I have said many times over that Rick Genter's Indycar II was maybe the finest sim I have ever experience in everyway. I only wish that any of the NASCAR products could of been as good as that.. I still have my DTR and NASCAR I, II, III and Legends side by side. I currently support Bethesda and RATBAG products from www.proapproved.com with several real life drivers and beta testers... There will be a sprint car game out soon. There will be an killer off-road truck, buggies, etc racing game soon. There will be remakes of the late models and open wheel modified will be added. Other new racing products in development. I do know that these products were developed as value line products at value line budgets. Next year these products will go hopefully from $20.00 to $50.00 titles and the development funds will go up an order of magnitude. If you like any RATBAG products today.. i.e., DTR, and the soon to be released Sprints, Leadfoot, etc..Just wait for 2001 Even at my site I link to many nascar sites for league racing. Don Wilshe

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> > Since when do high sales prove anything, esp. if a game is a sim or > not? > > As the audience for *** sims is rather small, exactly the > opposite > > should be the case. > AMEN, Ronny. I mean, look at Spirit Of Speed, which has experienced > DISMAL sales (probably worse than GPL, in fact). This PROVES that SoS > TRULY IS THE BEST RACING SIMULATION EVER, BAR NONE.

snip > And to think that I'm not even an MBA . . . <G> With an MBA you wouldn't have such mediocre capabilities regarding logic, trust me... ;^) Big sale numbers don't make a game a great sim, NEITHER do mediocre sales make a game a great sim! DUH? Only it's features can do that. Nowhere did I say anything negative about DTR, just about the quite childish hype created by one of the fans (payed or unpayed) of the game. Can you follow my logic now? -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:25:45 GMT, "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:88bj1o$scv$[email hidden]... > >> You know, I don't think Wilshe actually *reads* this newsgroup--I think

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> >for anyone. > > > >DW > > > > > > Man, everyone's picking on you, Don, and I don't know why. I don't > know who you are (I'm relatively new to this group) but I absolutely > love DTR. The Papyrus sims were fun (the first CART one was the best) > but lately, they've been getting way too much into microsimulation. If > I want that kind of detail, I can go to the Skip Barber School and > just do it for real instead of in front of a screen. > > I LOVE DTR. This is the kind of racing I grew up with. Every week, my > family would head out to Eriez Speedway in Erie, PA and watch a > non-NASCAR-sponsored dirt track blowout. Now I live out near Seattle > and I find myself heading up to the Monroe track for a small asphalt > (NASCAR-sponsored) evening and while that's fun, I miss the dirt. DTR > brings all of that back to me. The game is a lot of fun, and I find > it's in my CD tray a lot more than any of the Papyrus sims. I want to > have fun, not work like a dog to drive a car. Anyway, just wanted to > let you (and anyone who cares) that DTR is really worth its $20. > > There are some problems with the game: no sprint cars. And the > sponsorship model is a bit weak (but it's still cool and one of the > neatest things about the game compared to other titles). Aw, no one's > really going to listen anyway. To hell with it, I'm shutting down and > playing instead of talking.

Don Wilshe most certainly reads this NG, or at least the parts of it that concern him and the products which he endorse, not too long ago I posted about my problems with a drag racing sim I had recently bought, and not too long after I had an e-mail from Don where he tried to get me sorted out..quite few e-mails went back and forth about my problem Don simply refuses to play by everybody else's rules, but I kinda like that, as I posted in another thread, a society made up of people who are exactly the same would be a very boring place to be...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Exactly. > > And *exactly* the reason that we have a forum....if we all agreed about > everything then there'd be no need for a discussion group, just a mutual > admiration society! -) Precisely, and that's why we "allow" people like BB in here as well, you need all kinds to make a society worth living in..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

Exactly. And *exactly* the reason that we have a forum....if we all agreed about everything then there'd be no need for a discussion group, just a mutual admiration society! -) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Don Wilshe most certainly reads this NG, or at least the parts of it > that concern him and the products which he endorse, not too long ago I > posted about my problems with a drag racing sim I had recently bought, > and not too long after I had an e-mail from Don where he tried to get me > sorted out..quite few e-mails went back and forth about my problem > > Don simply refuses to play by everybody else's rules, but I kinda like > that, as I posted in another thread, a society made up of people who are > exactly the same would be a very boring place to be...... > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

REad other peoples posts? I thought we were just supposed to blather on about our favorite topics,(me-myself-&I) what do you mean we here to help others? dave henrie Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Exactly. > > > > And *exactly* the reason that we have a forum....if we all agreed about > > everything then there'd be no need for a discussion group, just a mutual > > admiration society! -) > > Precisely, and that's why we "allow" people like BB in here as well, you > need all kinds to make a society worth living in..... > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting > are the only true sports...all others are games." > --Ernest Hemingway--

Dave Henrie wrote: > Sorry, did you say something ? I was too busy studying my belly button to notice..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--