A question: Just who is Dave Noonan..?

Is he from the UK...? Could have sworn I read this somewhere. Just how does he do it...? Spent the afternoon burping, farting, spinning, crashing around the Ost whilst listenin to Sunderland vs Newcastle on the wind-up radio. Playing GPL with a knackered F1sim - (plastic brake pedal sticky oot knobbly bit snapped off) setup is no fun. Tried to buy a Logitech FF wheel yesterday, but sold out..!! Temptation got the better of me, so I'm sitting here braking and accelerating with the behind the wheel paddles - not a happy bunny. Still, If he is a brit... ...and he's lookin' in. Sir, Wouldn't mind slinging me Lotus around the Isle of Man roads. I'm sure I could prove that a car can fly. idav.

<Warning for the humor impaired: the following is just that.> Dave Noonan is an evil man. He is a one man *** bent on world domination. His plan is simple: release stunning GPL tracks on an unsuspecting populace, but bury mind bending subliminal messages in the graphics. (Honest, that first board at the O-ring says 'Noonan is God'...if you look *real* close.) And of course, since we all love these tracks, and are forced to spend EVERY DAMN WAKING HOUR (my social life sends a big 'Thanks' to you, Dave) trying to learn them, we are of course left as mind numbed idiots, defenseless against his command. I don't know who unleashed this plague upon the sim community (the government, Sierra, his wicked step-mother?) but he must be exposed for the wickedness he truly represents. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to finish my Eagle setup for Brands... Thanks Dave. No really, thanks... Brad

Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want to.... but can't. I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share your discoveries. Phil Flack <[email hidden]> schreef in artikel <[email hidden]>...

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> http://come.to/genghis There's a fair bit of info. there, from me (a > member of GPLEA). When I've found more out it will be added, fair? > > I was working with Paul for many months before he semi-gave up, at which > point I went off on my own and started with Snetterton, before teaming > up with the GPLEA to speed things up. > > Phil > > "�artijn" wrote: > > > > True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could > > convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is > > largely unknown, you can't make a converter. > > > > True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make

tracks, > > but they are not willing to share that information with the publicdomain. > > I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So thereforepeople > > like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have noaccess > > to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build aconverter. > > > > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other > > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are. > > > > > We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for > > > conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the workwould > > only > > > need to be done once. >

He is actually an alien being. Arrived on the same ship as Huttu. In article <OmZm4.890$h8.46154@wards>, "idav" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Is he from the UK...? > > Could have sworn I read this somewhere. > > Just how does he do it...? > > Spent the afternoon burping, farting, spinning, crashing around the

Ost > whilst listenin to Sunderland vs Newcastle on the wind-up radio. > > Playing GPL with a knackered F1sim - (plastic brake pedal sticky ootknobbly

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> bit snapped off) setup is no fun. > > Tried to buy a Logitech FF wheel yesterday, but sold out..!! > > Temptation got the better of me, so I'm sitting here braking and > accelerating with the behind the wheel paddles - not a happy bunny. > > Still, > > If he is a brit... > > ...and he's lookin' in. > > Sir, > > Wouldn't mind slinging me Lotus around the Isle of Man roads. > > I'm sure I could prove that a car can fly. > > idav. > >

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"David Karr" wrote > Maybe not, but if you gotta have demons, them's the right kind. No kidding, I wish that demon had a twin. Someone steal some DNA so maybe we can clone him. Guys here used to worship Jack Rambo for making promises, now we are going to start attacking Dave Noonan for delivering results?

I must agree that the Isle of Man would make a great track for GPL. I would say together with the Le Mans 24 hour , the ring ,Monaco and Monza (with banking) these are the worlds classic tracks. I guess I would have to add some ovals to the list with Brooklands, Daytona and Indy. It would be alot of work to create the Isle of Man. We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work would only need to be done once. -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

guys. They're not the saints you may think they are. Maybe not, but if you gotta have demons, them's the right kind. --DK

http://come.to/genghis There's a fair bit of info. there, from me (a member of GPLEA). When I've found more out it will be added, fair? I was working with Paul for many months before he semi-gave up, at which point I went off on my own and started with Snetterton, before teaming up with the GPLEA to speed things up. Phil

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> True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could > convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is > largely unknown, you can't make a converter. > True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make tracks, > but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain. > I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people > like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access > to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter. > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are. > > We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for > > conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work would > only > > need to be done once.

Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want to.... but can't. I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share your discoveries.

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> http://come.to/genghis There's a fair bit of info. there, from me (a > member of GPLEA). When I've found more out it will be added, fair? > I was working with Paul for many months before he semi-gave up, at which > point I went off on my own and started with Snetterton, before teaming > up with the GPLEA to speed things up. > Phil > > True. But the conversions are the hardest part. In theory, you could > > convert all (600!!) GP2-tracks to GPL-format. But, as the GPL-format is > > largely unknown, you can't make a converter. > > True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make

tracks, > > but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain. > > I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people > > like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access > > to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter. > > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other > > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are. > > > We ought to have a common library of tracks in a format suitable for > > > conversion to any sim in the public domain. Thus much of the work would > > only > > > need to be done once.

"�artijn" wrote: > > Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? Yes, a bit more, but not as much as you might think. Everything is just extrapolated from what's on my site, then coded to turn TRK files into 3DOs... > It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much > into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now > it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make > tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want > to.... but can't. Give me some time and things will become clear. The work needed to make snetterton is quite time consuming at the moment, after which things will become 'public' and easy (er) :) > I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people > contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice > editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share > your discoveries. Nope, just busy! Mail if you have any specific questions. Phil

�artijn skrev i meldingen <01bf70c3$978d0b80$d71140d4@martijnk>...

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> > >Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? >It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much >into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now >it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make >tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want >to.... but can't. > >I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people >contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice >editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share >your discoveries. > >

One reason for this... Have you seen the track yet? Guess not :-) We have been stating that we *will* release the tools when they are ready. If we did let them out, we would have absolutely nothing to do but to answer "how to's"... Simply put; Phil, David, Paul and a few others are in a league of their own. Don't ever expect that anybody could sit down to make these tracks! It took Phil 1,5 years to get where he is now, I'm sure David spent the same amount of time, and you expect to learn this in a whiff? So, please, be patient, and stop pulling people's legs. See what happened to Paul Hoad. Best, Matt/GPLEA

Personally I feel that the difficulty in creating circuits is not necessarily a bad thing. Why? Because only those who are really dedicated will put in the time and effort required to not only learn the system but to also create something worthwhile. If it were a simple(er) system, there would be more chaff than wheat. At the very least we have been able to look forward to QUALITY output from David and, I am sure, the GPLEA. That suits me down to the ground. Thanks for your and your other team members efforts, Matt. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Matthew Birger Knutsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fKln4.23767$[email hidden]... > > �artijn skrev i meldingen <01bf70c3$978d0b80$d71140d4@martijnk>... > > > > > >Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? > >It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much > >into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now > >it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make > >tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want > >to.... but can't. > > > >I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people > >contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice > >editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share > >your discoveries. > > > > > > > One reason for this... > Have you seen the track yet? > Guess not :-) > We have been stating that we *will* release the tools when they are ready. > If we did let them out, we would have absolutely nothing to do but to answer > "how to's"... > > Simply put; Phil, David, Paul and a few others are in a league of their own. > Don't ever expect that anybody could sit down to make these tracks! It took > Phil 1,5 years to get where he is now, I'm sure David spent the same amount > of time, and you expect to learn this in a whiff? > > So, please, be patient, and stop pulling people's legs. See what happened to > Paul Hoad. > > Best, > Matt/GPLEA > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

�artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bf70a4$ecb81e20$9a1140d4@martijnk...

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> True, Noonan and the GPLEA know enough about the fileformat to make tracks, > but they are not willing to share that information with the public domain. > I think it's a big-ego thing or something like that. So therefore people > like Paul Hoad, who created the GP2-trackeditor from zero, have no access > to enough sources to understand the fileformat enough to build a converter. > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are.

Obviously, you are someone with too much time on your hands. First off, beings that you presume to know these people so well, it's interesting to note that you have no clue as to their 'ego'. Second, I guess it has to happen, someone is going to look a gift horse in the mouth... David Noonan and the guys at GPLEA are working hard to put things together for racers to enjoy. They derived this information by pouring through file formats for years (something you could do, I might add). All their information came from trying something, seeing if it worked, and then trying it again when it didn't. The information require to put a Papy track together would take a book to fill. And if some of the current track tools were released, their email boxes would fill up with all the people asking questions on how to use them...they are not for the timid. Nor are they fool-proof. That is why you don't see the people who have developed the tools putting them out for people to use (yet)...they don't have the time to write all the required documentation and the information required to use them. Perhaps sometime in the future... The next time you feel like complaining about what people are not doing for you, remember this...I don't remember you PAYING for any of these products... -- ��Jan Kohl�� **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

As far as the majority of us are concerned (including those who haven't got either the slightest interest in creating tracks or the ability to do so) these people _ARE_ saints. I don't see too many gripes here about having to pay for the pleasure each time something is created for GPL, tracks included. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bf70a4$ecb81e20$9a1140d4@martijnk... > If he had, he would have made one already. Go blame Noonan or the other > guys. They're not the saints you may think they are. > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Jan Kohl wrote: <snip> > The information require to put a Papy track together would take a book to fill. And if some > of the current track tools were released, their email boxes would fill up with all the people > asking questions on how to use them...they are not for the timid. Nor are they fool-proof. > That is why you don't see the people who have developed the tools putting them out for > people to use (yet)...they don't have the time to write all the required documentation and > the information required to use them. Perhaps sometime in the future... I was wondering what to do for a thesis... "Snetterton - Hacking the Sim Commonly Known as GPL - PhD Thesis by P.Flack" :-D Phil

Further to this I would add that with all the chaff floating in the wind (A new track every week to try and throw away), people will be missing the whole point to this sim. The real challenge will no longer exist. MS

Who's David Kaemmer? [joke!] --DK

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> > The information require to put a Papy track together would take a book to fill. And if some > > of the current track tools were released, their email boxes would fill up with all the people > > asking questions on how to use them...they are not for the timid. Nor are they fool-proof. > > That is why you don't see the people who have developed the tools putting them out for > > people to use (yet)...they don't have the time to write all the required documentation and > > the information required to use them. Perhaps sometime in the future... > I was wondering what to do for a thesis... > "Snetterton - Hacking the Sim Commonly Known as GPL - PhD Thesis by > P.Flack" > :-D

LOL...yes, too bad you weren't working your way through college with Graphical 3D Design as your major...you could do your entire last year on Papy tracks... ;] Cheers! -- ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

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> �artijn skrev i meldingen <01bf70c3$978d0b80$d71140d4@martijnk>... >>. There are so many people wanting to make > >tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want > >to.... but can't. > >I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people > >contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice > >editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share > >your discoveries. > One reason for this... > Have you seen the track yet? > Guess not :-)

Ofcourse not. Was there any way I could have? Please let me know! :-) > We have been stating that we *will* release the tools when they are ready. Great! First time I hear this, but it's great! > If we did let them out, we would have absolutely nothing to do but toanswer > "how to's"... I know. > Simply put; Phil, David, Paul and a few others are in a league of theirown. > Don't ever expect that anybody could sit down to make these tracks! Ittook > Phil 1,5 years to get where he is now, I'm sure David spent the sameamount > of time, and you expect to learn this in a whiff? I don't expect to learn in a whiff. I've been in the GP2-trackediting business for almost 2 years now, and still learn each day as new posibilities become uncovered. You can be sure I do not underestimate the amount of effort it takes to make a good track. Have a look at my GP2-tracks, and you'll understand. > So, please, be patient, and stop pulling people's legs. See what happenedto > Paul Hoad. I'm glad you corrected my ignorance regarding the future of GPL-editing. Thanks! Martijn

Phil Flack <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > > Phil, I'm sure you know a lot more right now, right? > Yes, a bit more, but not as much as you might think. Everything is just > extrapolated from what's on my site, then coded to turn TRK files into > 3DOs... And that was the hardest part, IIRC. I hope you can perhaps shed some light on how you did this, even a few text-lines? Do you think a GP2=> GPL converter can be made (theoratically)?

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> > It's just a bit strange to me that in the beginning, you were very much > > into the "public domain" stuff, making an editor available, etc, and now > > it's all secretive and obscure. There are so many people wanting to make > > tracks, and some of them will be excellent (like in GP2). I for one want > > to.... but can't. > Give me some time and things will become clear. The work needed to make > snetterton is quite time consuming at the moment, after which things > will become 'public' and easy (er) :)

OK, I can't wait to try my hand at the editor! > > I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people > > contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice > > editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share > > your discoveries. > > Nope, just busy! Mail if you have any specific questions. One question, can I have the editor? :-) No, I was wondering while I knew Paul stopped because he had the feeling of not making progess, and then you continue succesfully, so it didn't quite add up. Do you use a editor with a graphial interface, like Paul's? Further, I would bother you as you have a track to finish! PS one other question, what about Noonan? And a final comment, you ARE a saint (IMO) when you release the editor for public use :-)

> And that was the hardest part, IIRC. I hope you can perhaps shed some light > on how you did this, even a few text-lines? > Do you think a GP2=> GPL converter can be made (theoratically)? Theoretically, yes, but I know nothing about GP2 files... > OK, I can't wait to try my hand at the editor! Won't be an editor- opens up too many cheating possibilites. It'll be a creator and probably won't work for the papy tracks without some major changes to them.

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> > > I'm sure Paul Hoad will return his attention to GPL as soon as people > > > contribute. If you know things about fileformat, he can build a nice > > > editor. I just got the feeling lately that you were NOT willing to share > > > your discoveries. > > > > Nope, just busy! Mail if you have any specific questions. > > One question, can I have the editor? :-)

Not yet. When it's ready is my reply. I don't release things in the way Paul does (buggy development versions). You'll have your fun when it's possible :) > No, I was wondering while I knew Paul stopped because he had the feeling of > not making progess, and then you continue succesfully, so it didn't quite > add up. > Do you use a editor with a graphial interface, like Paul's? Only for making the TRK, and you can't have that yet. TRK23DO is a black-screen program :) > Further, I would bother you as you have a track to finish! > > PS one other question, what about Noonan? In what context? He made Dubai, Brands & Ostrichring. Erm.... > And a final comment, you ARE a saint (IMO) when you release the editor for > public use :-) :D Phil (back to the snett)

"Hear, ***y hear!" Well said, Jan. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- (Snipped stuff) -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Exactly! AC

Everyone knows that Dave Noonan is a pen name for Dave Kaemmer

Open your GPL manual and check out the credits. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> Everyone knows that Dave Noonan is a pen name for Dave Kaemmer Err....wrong, it's Geoff Crammond actually... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Wrong! It's Elvis! Andre >> Everyone knows that Dave Noonan is a pen name for Dave Kaemmer >Err....wrong, it's Geoff Crammond actually... >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy

:^)

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> > Who's David Kaemmer? > Open your GPL manual and check out the credits. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> Wrong! It's Elvis! Hey, Jan Kohl told me that he bumped into Geoff in a pub on one of his trips to the UK, several beers was consumed and much about sim racing was discussed, one thing led to another and Geoff, having just finished GP2, asked if he could write some utils for "The Pits" under an assumed name, he has been a big fan for a number of years apparently, no surprise there really since it's the best sim racing site.... This is also why both GP3 and the upcoming converters has been taking so long, he has been working too much on the new tracks And just to hammer it down, have you ever seen Geoff and David together ? Thought not, I saw Elvis the other day and he was much older than David and knew nothing about computers.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Yeah, but have you ever seen Dave Kaemmer and Dave Noonan together? Or the pair with Geoff? I think we have one person trying to do the work of three.... Rafe Mc

Damn, there goes my Noonan=Elvis theory. See hi to him when you see Elvis again! Andre

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>> Wrong! It's Elvis! >Hey, Jan Kohl told me that he bumped into Geoff in a pub on one of his >trips to the UK, several beers was consumed and much about sim racing >was discussed, one thing led to another and Geoff, having just finished >GP2, asked if he could write some utils for "The Pits" under an assumed >name, he has been a big fan for a number of years apparently, no >surprise there really since it's the best sim racing site.... >This is also why both GP3 and the upcoming converters has been taking so >long, he has been working too much on the new tracks >And just to hammer it down, have you ever seen Geoff and David together >? >Thought not, I saw Elvis the other day and he was much older than David >and knew nothing about computers.... >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy

> :^) Grrrr... 8) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Awwww! Finally the truth be told! -- _________________________________________________ Jim Dunphy The Pits Performance Team GP2, MOTO RACER, F1RS http://www.theuspits.com > > Wrong! It's Elvis! > Hey, Jan Kohl told me that he bumped into Geoff in a pub on one of his > trips to the UK, several beers was consumed and much about sim racing > was discussed, one thing led to another and Geoff, having just finished > GP2, asked if he could write some utils for "The Pits" under an assumed > name, he has been a big fan for a number of years apparently, no > surprise there really since it's the best sim racing site.... > This is also why both GP3 and the upcoming converters has been taking so > long, he has been working too much on the new tracks > And just to hammer it down, have you ever seen Geoff and David together > ? > Thought not, I saw Elvis the other day and he was much older than David > and knew nothing about computers.... > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

LOL. Dave Noonan is my uncle and he is NOT Geoff Crammond. Uncle Dave, or Uncky Davey Wavey as I call him, is a 450lb. (Europeans figure the kilos on your own!) man barely 4 feet in height. That is to say, he is wider than he is tall, but we love Uncky Davey anyway. Uncle Dave is genius personified. He is great, he is grand, he's rolling merrily in the sand. All hail the enigma and mystery that is David Noonan. No, I'm not drunk or stoned, though I'd like to be!! ::)))) -- Erik Frechette The Pits Grand Prix Legends www.theuspits.com/owheel/gpl/gpl.html > Awwww! Finally the truth be told! > -- > _________________________________________________ > Jim Dunphy > The Pits Performance Team > GP2, MOTO RACER, F1RS > http://www.theuspits.com > > > Wrong! It's Elvis! > > Hey, Jan Kohl told me that he bumped into Geoff in a pub on one of his > > trips to the UK, several beers was consumed and much about sim racing > > was discussed, one thing led to another and Geoff, having just finished > > GP2, asked if he could write some utils for "The Pits" under an assumed > > name, he has been a big fan for a number of years apparently, no > > surprise there really since it's the best sim racing site.... > > This is also why both GP3 and the upcoming converters has been taking so > > long, he has been working too much on the new tracks > > And just to hammer it down, have you ever seen Geoff and David together > > ? > > Thought not, I saw Elvis the other day and he was much older than David > > and knew nothing about computers.... > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy