MSFF + LWFF in N3??!!

Ok. I realize this has been discussed before but I don't recall ever seeing a definite answer either way on this subject. I have both a MSFF wheel and a LWFF wheel. I much prefer the pedals of the MSFF but at the same time prefer the wheel of the LWFF. I saw a fella here claiming he was able to use his LWFF wheel along with his CH Pro pedals in N3. Huh? The LWFF is hooked up to the USB port and the pedals are hooked to the game port on his SBLive! Is it or is it not possible to use multiple controllers in N3? I was under the impression that N3 only recognizes ID1 in the joystick properties in Win95/98. If this is in fact the case it begs the question why on earth did Papy see fit to give an older game like GPL such robust controller options (multiple controllers) but didn't see fit to do the same for N3 and NL? Any revelations on this subject would be greatly appreciated =) Bud Bird aka Budness

Thanks for the tip Zolli. Unfortunately, the two wheels don't seem to function very well together in Nascar 3. The following is an email reply I made to another fella who is trying to help me. Maybe it will shed some clues as to what should be tried: First, thanks for replying to my post =). Not too many people seem to be in the same dilemma as me and thus aren't very interested in the problem. Thanks for your help =). Unfortunately, I'm having a little trouble following you as far as setting up the pedals. Here is what I would like to be able to do with this setup in Nascar3. I'd like to use the LWFF wheel for steering as well as the shift levers on that wheel for shifting. Also, I would like to use the pedals from the MSFF for acceleration and braking. The MSFF wheel (and pedals) will simply not function (for me anyway) using any other controller ID than ID1. Every attempt to change the ID number for the MSFF fails. If I manually change the ID to something other than ID1 a "ghost" controller will show up in the newly assigned ID number but the properties window says it isn't connected. Meanwhile, there will still be a MSFF wheel shown in ID1 that "is connected". Also, if I was following you correctly I was to somehow assign a separate ID number to the MSFF pedals by themselves. I'm not really sure how this is accomplished since the pedals have to be connected to the wheel in order to function. Any suggestions? As far as the LWFF wheel is concerned, it seems to function fine with whatever ID I assign to it. But whether it's using ID2 or ID3 doesn't seem to change how it is used in N3. Using the default setup of the MSFF wheel in ID1 and the LWFF wheel in ID2, the LWFF wheel functions alright and the MSFF pedals work as well but I can't seem to get any of the buttons or the shift levers on the LWFF wheel to work. But, the buttons and shift levers on the MSFF work just fine. The obvious problem at this point is what good is it to use the LWFF wheel if the paddles and buttons on that wheel are useless =(. Arrrrrgh. Any clues? Again thanks for any suggestions you might have. Bud Bird aka Budness <<<<<< > > Ok. I realize this has been discussed before but I don't recall ever > seeing > > a definite answer either way on this subject. I have both a MSFF wheel and

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> a > > LWFF wheel. I much prefer the pedals of the MSFF but at the same time > prefer > > the wheel of the LWFF. I saw a fella here claiming he was able to > > use his LWFF wheel along with his CH Pro pedals in N3. Huh? The LWFF is > > hooked up to the USB port and the pedals are hooked to the game port on > his > > SBLive! > > Is it or is it not possible to use multiple controllers in N3? I was

under > > the impression that N3 only recognizes ID1 in the joystick properties in > > Win95/98. If this is in fact the case it begs the question why on earth > did > > Papy see fit to give an older game like GPL such robust controller options

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> > (multiple controllers) but didn't see fit to do the same for N3 and NL? > > Any revelations on this subject would be greatly appreciated =) > > Bud Bird > > aka Budness > AFAIK N3 does recognize 2 controllers. > Remember, it always recognizes 2 axises and 2 bottons of your wheel as > 'controller1' and the other 2 as 'controller2', even if you use only 1 > controller! > There was a guy here, who could not get his pedals to work because he had

an > additional gamepad installed, so at least in this case N3 did recognize it. > Just try it out: plug in both wheels, go to the controller screen of N3, > calibrate one wheel as 'controller1' and the other as 'controller2' by using > the appropriate pedals and buttons and see if it works... > and let us know about it... > CU > Zolli

AFAIK N3 does recognize 2 controllers. Remember, it always recognizes 2 axises and 2 bottons of your wheel as 'controller1' and the other 2 as 'controller2', even if you use only 1 controller! There was a guy here, who could not get his pedals to work because he had an additional gamepad installed, so at least in this case N3 did recognize it. Just try it out: plug in both wheels, go to the controller screen of N3, calibrate one wheel as 'controller1' and the other as 'controller2' by using the appropriate pedals and buttons and see if it works... and let us know about it... CU Zolli

Too bad, I guess using automatic transmission is clearly NOT the suggestion you wish to hear ;-) Just a vague idea: If you can't assign an other ID to the MS wheel, the culprit is the MS-Profiler. Maybe it is possible to use the wheel without the profiler, using some standard joystickdriver (if you want to use only the pedals of the wheel, you need no FF for it anyhow). This might enable you to set the Logi to ID1??? You might not be able to use split axis with this setting, but IMO that's not so important in N3. Maybe there is even 1% of a chance, that the driver of the Saitek-FF-wheel could work with the MS. The Saitek wheel doesn't use a profiler. good luck Zolli

The example of LWFF and CH pedals that I read was to somehow wire the pots of the CH to the LWFF's pedals so the only connection to the computer would be either USB or serial.