1st Oesterreichring observation

hey dave, noticed that the oesterreichring track has more grip than Brands Hatch, how come ? <vbg> Serious: this track is more than just another Add-On. One of the best, including the original ones. If you own GPL, get this track. I would pay for this stuff dave <hint, hint>. http://www.theuspits.com

I just downloaded the new track, and it is great !! It has many tricky corners and it is a great challenge to drive. I would like to thank Mr Noonan for another great track, i think one of the best. I agree with others in this newsgroup that I would pay for this stuff. If Mr Noonan would make a trackpack that would cost $60 I would buy it immediately. BTW, does anyone know if the N3 Indyanapolis track for GPL with AI is already available ? Thanx, Remco

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> hey dave, noticed that the oesterreichring track has more grip than Brands > Hatch, how come ? <vbg> > Serious: this track is more than just another Add-On. One of the best, > including the original ones. If you own GPL, get this track. I would pay for > this stuff dave <hint, hint>. > http://www.theuspits.com

I've noticed that all the N2/3/ICR2 tracks are more predictable in grip as opposed to any of the original GPL tracks. There are places where I shouldn't loose traction but not only do I loose it, I loose ALL traction on those tracks. Just small spots here and there. The only places I loose traction on the converted tracks and the new tracks is where I over drive or where I go off the tracks. I do have one problem with the new track though. Maybe it's my system(?). On all the tracks I can have a lot of graphics on (not all, but a lot) and still have 36 fps. This new track I had to turn the mirrors back to "cars only" and cut a lot of the other graphics off in order to have between 33 and 36 fps. I went off line and switched on and off different graphics for about an hour till I found just the right combination. Now I get 36 fps but in the left hand turns it drops down to 20 - 24 fps. After doing all this, It was the mirrors that killed my frame rate even with "everything" turned off and at the lowest res. Is there some kind of a connection between the mirrors and FPS on this track specifically? I can have "cars and track" on all the other tracks. Is there something different about this track that would hog the frame rate this bad? I checked all the other tracks just now to be sure it wasn't my machine. It's only at this track where I have to turn most everything off in order to get the magic 36 fps, but even then there's spots where the frame rate drops badly. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/ Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

I noticed a slight drain but nothing drastic. What CPU and video card do you have? I have a V3 2k and a P2 300 so i have a fairly fast machine. I was getting 33+ fps all the time at the O'ring with my normal graphics settings but I havent tried running a race yet. Thats definately an interresting problem you got there... Chris "Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass."--Mark Twain

I wouldn't be surprised. Brands Hatch is a CPU hog too - more so than the original tracks (on my system anyway). Oh well, small price to pay. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to Austria again... Bye, Leo

You people are starting to***me off! As I am at work and unable to race, until I get home. I want to see the new toy really bad!!! SLG (As usuall, can't wait to get home, but much worst today!) Might have to push the wife out of the way to get to the puter first! :-)

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>> Is there something >> different about this track that would hog the frame rate this bad? >I wouldn't be surprised. Brands Hatch is a CPU hog too - more so than the >original tracks (on my system anyway). Oh well, small price to pay. Now if >you'll excuse me, I'm off to Austria again... >Bye, >Leo

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

I agree, this track is awesome..... I fell in love with it after only two laps... I only have a 2.02 at the mo... but there is loads of scope... beautiful drifting sweepers that just beg to hang that tail out ;-) WOW!!! Send that David Noonan a pile of thankyou's... if we can't send him dosh! Dave Hawnt

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> hey dave, noticed that the oesterreichring track has more grip than Brands > Hatch, how come ? <vbg> > Serious: this track is more than just another Add-On. One of the best, > including the original ones. If you own GPL, get this track. I would pay for > this stuff dave <hint, hint>. > http://www.theuspits.com

Hi Michael, Indeed i did experience the same thing when i hosted one race there. Then i joined another server afterward, and the fps were much better almost at 36 all the time. I also noticed fps drops where they were "picket fence" most of the time. I'll have a better idea with more than 10 pilots on that track. Sure is a nice one, on par with the best of them. Thank you Mr. Noonan, sir. Christian. (Snip)

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> We have the same problem with the simulator here at work. The scenery is > very good-looking, but the framerate has to be something about 20. And I > promise you that in a full-scale simulator with five big screens and a > physics model worse that GPL you can get really motionsick. Check out > http://www.samf.ntnu.no/kjoresim/pics.htm for pictures. The text is in > Norwegian though :( Check out http://www.ntnu.no/welcome/s20-21.htm#7 for > a brief english presentation. > -- > Olav K. Malmin

Hehe, really cool place to work for a simmer, any chance for a Swede to get a testride? ;) /Stefan -- ========================================================== Software Developer Phone(Work): +46-(0)243-886 01 Columna AB Phone(Cell): +46-(0)70- 665 75 67 "In a world without Walls and Fences, who needs Windows or Gates?" ==========================================================

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> ----8<-- > > We have the same problem with the simulator here at work. The scenery is > > very good-looking, but the framerate has to be something about 20. And I > > promise you that in a full-scale simulator with five big screens and a > > physics model worse that GPL you can get really motionsick. Check out > > http://www.samf.ntnu.no/kjoresim/pics.htm for pictures. The text is in > > Norwegian though :( Check out http://www.ntnu.no/welcome/s20-21.htm#7 for > > a brief english presentation. > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > Hehe, really cool place to work for a simmer, any chance for a Swede to > get a testride? ;)

I'm not authorized to give testrides yet :P As a matter of fact, even if I am a simmer, I don't work on simulator-projects, because they are very focues on driving behaviour. So for now only some people with psychology education are working with it. I'm an engineer and have to do other stuff like traffic planning, of course very interesting stuff too. When we get the softwarepackage to make new scenery for it, I have been promised that I will get the work of making them :)))) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

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> > Hehe, really cool place to work for a simmer, any chance for a Swede to > > get a testride? ;) > I'm not authorized to give testrides yet :P As a matter of fact, even if I > am a simmer, I don't work on simulator-projects, because they are very > focues on driving behaviour. So for now only some people with psychology > education are working with it. I'm an engineer and have to do other stuff > like traffic planning, of course very interesting stuff too. > When we get the softwarepackage to make new scenery for it, I have been > promised that I will get the work of making them :)))) > -- > Olav K. Malmin

What tragedy that psychologiests (sp?) is the only guys to use such awsome equipment, but then again, if you were able to use it after hours, you wouldn't get so much GPL time :) A superb ride would obviously be to be able to run GPL on that equip!! Btw, is it possible to change the engine/suspension parameters easily, it would be nice to be able to change from the standard Megane on the pics to a Megane Coupe GTi with just some quick software changes. /Regards Stefan -- ========================================================== Software Developer Phone(Work): +46-(0)243-886 01 Columna AB Phone(Cell): +46-(0)70- 665 75 67 "In a world without Walls and Fences, who needs Windows or Gates?" ==========================================================

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> > > Hehe, really cool place to work for a simmer, any chance for a Swede to > > > get a testride? ;) > > I'm not authorized to give testrides yet :P As a matter of fact, even if I > > am a simmer, I don't work on simulator-projects, because they are very > > focues on driving behaviour. So for now only some people with psychology > > education are working with it. I'm an engineer and have to do other stuff > > like traffic planning, of course very interesting stuff too. > > When we get the softwarepackage to make new scenery for it, I have been > > promised that I will get the work of making them :)))) > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > What tragedy that psychologiests (sp?) is the only guys to use such > awsome equipment, but then again, if you were able to use it after > hours, you wouldn't get so much GPL time :)

Well, not only psychologiests (sp? again:), right now students in traffic management is using it. In the long term it will be used to evaluate new roads, so that stupid designmistakes can be found before it is built. And guess who will take part in that :)) It's been discussed a lot already. It should be quite easy since the projectors are using SVGA. But i think it has to be run on other computers since the Onyx doesn't run GPL very well. We are discussing a research experiment with driving abilites after heavy drinking. This would be a great social event, and if we are going to do it I will also install my computer with GPL in the room next to the simulator so that people could try how it really should be done. No, that is the biggest drawback of the system. The physics model is made by Renault, and they protect their technology very good. I guess it is as easy to change car-parametres in our simulator as it is in GPL. Not much chance in other words. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

It'd make great shareware. Doubt it'd make Dave rich (shareware never does... well, ok, except for Doom :-) but it'd be better than nowt. Andrew McP

Alexander, I thought the samething. So after running a few dozen laps at Oesterreichring in my ferrari, I went back to Brands Hatch. And low and behold, I found the grip to be exactly the same. What I found different was that I wasn't over driving the corners like I did before. Turned my PB at 1:40.xx, with a 1/2 dozen laps in the 1:41s. Joel Willstein