Osterreichring question

Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) (Aaarrgghhh!) Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track exist in '67?) Here's the link to the site: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ Andre

The ?sterreichring was built in 1969. It was unchanged until 1976 when the first corner was tightened, then the following year a chicane was added, largely because of Mark Donohue's fatal accident there. In case anyone's interested, the turns were named as follows: First corner was Hella Licht. 2nd corner (top of the hill) was the Dr. Tiroch Kurve. The next one (long right) was the Boschkurve, then the two slow left-handers comprised the "Schikane". The following right kink apparently didn't have a name (at least according to the Guinness Guide to International Motor Racing). The final corner was the Rindt Kurve (presumably not named such until after Jochen's accident in 1970). regards -- http://ianhill.tripod.com Please visit www.thehungersite.com today!

It's DEFINATELY not the 1997 version and it's not the 1987 version (last time the full circuit was used in GP racing, Mansell won after the race was started 3 times!) because there's no chicane at the first corner in Dave Noonan's version. I imagine it must be the very first version ever used. It's a great track, one of the driver's favourite before it was 'butchered'. Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

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> Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) > (Aaarrgghhh!) > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track > exist in '67?) > Here's the link to the site: > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ > Andre

-- Rob Swindells "Add life to your days, not days to your life." "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

I found this picture (don't know what year it's from) http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg Looks pretty much like the current track except that the tight 90 degree right handers in the current A1 track were sweeping 2nd/3rd gear corners. Cool. Kev

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> Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) > (Aaarrgghhh!) > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track > exist in '67?) > Here's the link to the site: > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ > Andre

Did the deer survive? :) Andre On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

Hehe, doubt it. :)

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> Did the deer survive? :) > Andre > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

-- Rob Swindells "Add life to your days, not days to your life." "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

Now GPL is realistic but I doubt Dave has been able to program deer to jump onto the trak:-) -- GraDee ------------------------------------------------------------- Karting "3.65" www.esatclear.ie/~karting ------------------------------------------------------------- "The dozens and dozens........." > It's DEFINATELY not the 1997 version and it's not the 1987 version (last > time the full circuit was used in GP racing, Mansell won after the race > was started 3 times!) because there's no chicane at the first corner in > Dave Noonan's version. I imagine it must be the very first version ever > used. It's a great track, one of the driver's favourite before it was > 'butchered'. > Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 > Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren. > > Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm > > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from > > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much > > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: > > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) > > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) > > (Aaarrgghhh!) > > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track > > exist in '67?) > > Here's the link to the site: > > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ > > Andre > -- > Rob Swindells > "Add life to your days, not days to your life." > "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." > "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." > "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

No. You can say it cost him dearly....... <Waits for the groans> MS

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> Did the deer survive? :) > Andre > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

I still have the pictures of the crash in a magazine: The deer was in many pieces, and so was the McLaren... Stefan was happy to be unhurt.

Very fawny!

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> No. > You can say it cost him dearly....... > <Waits for the groans> > MS > > Did the deer survive? :) > > Andre > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the

1987 > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

I'll give you a hundred bucks to stop this thread now! Doe kidding.

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> Very fawny! > > No. > > You can say it cost him dearly....... > > <Waits for the groans> > > MS > > > Did the deer survive? :) > > > Andre > > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the > 1987 > > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

Actually the majority of the damage to the car came after the initial incident, when his car was out of control and smashed into a wall. As for the deer, well, I think the majority of the damage came when it landed a few minutes later! :-)) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Aw, come on, have a hart. Dave Ewing

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> I'll give you a hundred bucks to stop this thread now! Doe kidding. > > Very fawny! > > > No. > > > You can say it cost him dearly....... > > > <Waits for the groans> > > > MS > > > > Did the deer survive? :) > > > > Andre > > > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > > > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the > > 1987 > > > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

-- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

That's a cross between 76 and before and with the 77 change. The light grey line is the actual 69' - 76' layout.

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> I found this picture (don't know what year it's from) > http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg > Looks pretty much like the current track except that the tight 90 degree > right handers in the current A1 track were sweeping 2nd/3rd gear > corners. Cool. > Kev > > Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm > > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from > > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much > > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: > > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) > > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) > > (Aaarrgghhh!) > > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track > > exist in '67?) > > Here's the link to the site: > > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ > > Andre

Glad they changed the track, that grey layout really looks weird. Andre

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>That's a cross between 76 and before and with the 77 change. The light grey >line is the actual 69' - 76' layout. >> I found this picture (don't know what year it's from) >> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg

Actually I can laugh about something even if it was not funny at the time. Some years ago my ex-bosses son hit a deer on the A3 whilst travelling at considerable speed. (For those of you who do not know the A3, part of it is an approach road to London and has a fast stretch of 2 and 3 lane carriageway, drilling through some woodland and fields). Anyway, the deer was totally wasted and the car, written off. The unfortunate vehicle happened to be a Triumph Stag.....I kid you not. MS

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> Very fawny! > > No. > > You can say it cost him dearly....... > > <Waits for the groans> > > MS > > > Did the deer survive? :) > > > Andre > > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells > > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the > 1987 > > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

The GPLEE was able to put sheep in Spa : http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/~richeymanic/tracks.html :) > Now GPL is realistic but I doubt Dave has been able to program deer to jump

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> onto the trak:-) > -- > GraDee > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Karting "3.65" > www.esatclear.ie/~karting > ------------------------------------------------------------- > "The dozens and dozens........." > > It's DEFINATELY not the 1997 version and it's not the 1987 version (last > > time the full circuit was used in GP racing, Mansell won after the race > > was started 3 times!) because there's no chicane at the first corner in > > Dave Noonan's version. I imagine it must be the very first version ever > > used. It's a great track, one of the driver's favourite before it was > > 'butchered'. > > Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987 > > Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren. > > > Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm > > > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from > > > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much > > > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes: > > > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!) > > > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed) > > > (Aaarrgghhh!) > > > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track > > > exist in '67?) > > > Here's the link to the site: > > > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/ > > > Andre > > -- > > Rob Swindells > > "Add life to your days, not days to your life." > > "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." > > "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." > > "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

The AirWarrior and Warbirds communities have been, uh... (how shall I put this...) >enjoying< sheep for many many years. There are some really funny fiction written about it. Has anybody tested and can give a review of "the Love Ewe" by the way? http://www.muttonbone.com/loveewe.html :-) /petern

What an absolute pisser! New Zealanders beware!

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>>The GPLEE was able to put sheep in Spa : >>http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/~richeymanic/tracks.html >>:) >The AirWarrior and Warbirds communities have been, uh... (how shall I >put this...) >enjoying< sheep for many many years. >There are some really funny fiction written about it. >Has anybody tested and can give a review of "the Love Ewe" by the way? >http://www.muttonbone.com/loveewe.html :-) >/petern