Verdict On Latest Mid Range Video Cards

There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over video card performance and noticed a good piece over at Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge that I thought might be of some use. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904 F1 Challenge http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=7 Final results and conclusions. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=21 Pete

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:31:50 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote: > There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over >video card performance and noticed a good piece over at >Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge >that I thought might be of some use. >Its a bit strange they include higher end ATI cards and not the NVidia 5900. Not that it bothers me with a 9700 Pro :-) -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:14:41 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>I _really_ want to upgrade my Ti4400, but you know what? I still have a >hard time justifying it. > >I'm still pulling 40-80fps in NR2003 with most options turned on high at >1280X1024X16 (the starts are sometimes down to 20 or so), and all of the >other games I play run with everything on just fine. >

I went from a 4400 to a 9700 Pro and have been very happy with it, mostly for allowing me to run smoothly with FSAA&AF. -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

I _really_ want to upgrade my Ti4400, but you know what? I still have a hard time justifying it. I'm still pulling 40-80fps in NR2003 with most options turned on high at 1280X1024X16 (the starts are sometimes down to 20 or so), and all of the other games I play run with everything on just fine. Now, this may all change if any of the upcomming DX9 games (half-life 2, Carmack's stuff, etc...) catch my fancy, but for now it just doesn't matter. I was very interested in the 9600 Pro AIW, but it's performance doesn't look to be much over the Ti4400, and is worse in some cases. -Larry "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:usujb.8703$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (19 lines)

> There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > that I thought might be of some use. > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904 > > F1 Challenge > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=7 > > Final results and conclusions. > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=21 > > Pete > >

They may not have had one. Apparantly, the 5900 isn't that impressive anyway. -Larry "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (16 lines)

> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:31:50 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > >video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > >Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > >that I thought might be of some use. > > > Its a bit strange they include higher end ATI cards and not the NVidia > 5900. Not that it bothers me with a 9700 Pro :-) > -- > Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. > Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, > please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. > Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

Apparently you've sipped the ATI kool aid. :) ATI has done a great job but the 5900 Ultra is hardly unimpressive. The only negative press for nvidia is over DX9 pixel shading for Half-life and other UNRELEASED shooters (meaningless issue to me since I play sims, sports, rpg's and strategy games - all fine for my 5900U). The 5900U is perfect for my needs since it has no technical issues (FS2004 and Madden 2004 glitches for ATI to name a few) and - GASP - it actually outperforms the high and mighty 9800 Pro in some simulation bench marks (like NR 2003 and IL2:FB - see the firingsquad review). Hell, I'm running NHL 2004 1600x1200 with 4xFSAA - 8xANIS and it's a smooth 80-100 fps. What the hell more do I need? The nvidia weaknesses are meaningless to my gaming needs and by the time pixel shader 2.0 is critical to games we'll all be using a GF FX2 6900's or ATI 9900XT2 Pro. :) -- Joe M. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ARvjb.88934$a16.38523@lakeread01... > They may not have had one. > > Apparantly, the 5900 isn't that impressive anyway. > > -Larry > > "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:31:50 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > > >video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > > >Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > > > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > > >that I thought might be of some use. > > > > > Its a bit strange they include higher end ATI cards and not the NVidia > > 5900. Not that it bothers me with a 9700 Pro :-) > > -- > > Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. > > Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, > > please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. > > Check groups.google.com before asking a question. > >

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:usujb.8703$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (19 lines)

> There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > that I thought might be of some use. > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904 > > F1 Challenge > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=7 > > Final results and conclusions. > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=21 > > Pete > >

What the heck is wrong?! My Ti4600 gets me a mediocre 12/13FPS! J.R.

Under the F1C section, they state: "We are still seeing the same jittery action with the NVIDIA cards that we have noted in Parts 1 and 2, and the AA also falls a little short of what it should be doing. As we have stated previously, these are known issues, and they are being addressed." Does anyone know any more about this? I read and re-read the whole thing, but couldn't find what they meant by "As we have stated previously, these are known issues, and they are being addressed." -- R. GPLRank +79.699 "J.R." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bmoa48$[email hidden]... > > "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:usujb.8703$[email hidden]... > > There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > > video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > > Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > > that I thought might be of some use. > > > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904 > > > > F1 Challenge > > > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=7 > > > > Final results and conclusions. > > > > http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=21 > > > > Pete > > > > > > What the heck is wrong?! My Ti4600 gets me a mediocre 12/13FPS! > > J.R. > >

This was the 3rd in a series of 3 articles. Go back to the main video section to find the previous 2 articles. I have not read them yet, but am intrigued since I get a stutter in f12002 every 30 seconds or so. Eric remove *** to email On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:06:46 +0100, "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

>Under the F1C section, they state: > >"We are still seeing the same jittery action with the NVIDIA cards that we >have noted in Parts 1 and 2, and the AA also falls a little short of what it >should be doing. As we have stated previously, these are known issues, and >they are being addressed." > >Does anyone know any more about this? I read and re-read the whole thing, >but couldn't find what they meant by "As we have stated previously, these >are known issues, and they are being addressed."

I don't sip anyone's cool-aid :) nVidia says their 50 series drivers are going to fix all of this. We'll see... Personally, at $400-$500 a pop, these cards should ALL be astonishing no matter what we throw at them, without any room for issues. Larry "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (11 lines)

> Apparently you've sipped the ATI kool aid. :) > > ATI has done a great job but the 5900 Ultra is hardly unimpressive. The > only negative press for nvidia is over DX9 pixel shading for Half-life and > other UNRELEASED shooters (meaningless issue to me since I play sims, > sports, rpg's and strategy games - all fine for my 5900U). The 5900U is > perfect for my needs since it has no technical issues (FS2004 and Madden > 2004 glitches for ATI to name a few) and - GASP - it actually outperforms > the high and mighty 9800 Pro in some simulation bench marks (like NR 2003 > and IL2:FB - see the firingsquad review). Hell, I'm running NHL 2004 > 1600x1200 with 4xFSAA - 8xANIS and it's a smooth 80-100 fps. What the

hell > more do I need? > > The nvidia weaknesses are meaningless to my gaming needs and by the time > pixel shader 2.0 is critical to games we'll all be using a GF FX2 6900'sor

Quoted text (29 lines)

> ATI 9900XT2 Pro. :) > > -- > Joe M. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ARvjb.88934$a16.38523@lakeread01... > > They may not have had one. > > > > Apparantly, the 5900 isn't that impressive anyway. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:31:50 -0400, "Pete" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > There has been quite a bit of discussion the last few days over > > > >video card performance and noticed a good piece over at > > > >Anandtech comparing the new mid range cards. > > > > They also have a test showing the FPS in F1 Challenge > > > >that I thought might be of some use. > > > > > > > Its a bit strange they include higher end ATI cards and not the NVidia > > > 5900. Not that it bothers me with a 9700 Pro :-) > > > -- > > > Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove

spamtrap.

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > > Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, > > > please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevent text. > > > Check groups.google.com before asking a question. > > > > > >

>I _really_ want to upgrade my Ti4400, but you know what? I still have a >hard time justifying it. Sure wish I had used the same judgement. I lost my 40-80 fps by *upgrading* Dan