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Those movies of Greg Moore's crash and Bandini's crash are really horrible too see... damn, you even see Bandini getting pulled out of the car, while still alive... Andre On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:27:01 +0100, "paddock club" >http://www.walk.to/formula1

Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > Those movies of Greg Moore's crash and Bandini's crash are really > horrible too see... damn, you even see Bandini getting pulled out of > the car, while still alive... > Andre > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:27:01 +0100, "paddock club" > >http://www.walk.to/formula1 -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... He died 2-3 days after from is injuries....

I've read in several different places that he died in hospital from burns the next day? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Indeed, he died three days later after the crash in the hospital. Here's the whole story: http://home.swipnet.se/~w-36707/1967/Bandini_Monaco.htm Andre

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>On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" >>Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. >>Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it >>now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. >THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... >He died 2-3 days after from is injuries....

Guys, I saw the pic Bruce mentioned, more like glanced at it, and I couldn't sleep that night. Makes me sick to think of it; one reason I am happy I wasn't following the racing scene back then. Now, get off the "real fiction" yukky stuff (like they had to show a poor fellow killing himself in a Snowboard race on the news last weekend, I mean, what the f*** is the news about that?!?!),and go do something sensible, like watch a good movie :-) Like the Matrix, LOL, try and see the similarity to our GPL/simming world. Matt

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>Indeed, he died three days later after the crash in the hospital. >Here's the whole story: >http://home.swipnet.se/~w-36707/1967/Bandini_Monaco.htm >Andre >>On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" >>>Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. >>>Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it >>>now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. >>THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... >>He died 2-3 days after from is injuries....

Bruce, Is the book you're talking about the following?: Stanley, Louis T. _Strictly off the record: Grand Prix controversy and intrigue._ London: Salamander, 1999. Do you recommend the book? Thanks, Michael G. Lowery

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> Unfortunately I haven't the book with me (lent to a friend) so cannot > refresh my memory of what was written. Maybe you're correct but I have a > very strong belief that Stanley actually states that Lorenzo died in the > car. > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... > > He died 2-3 days after from is injuries.... > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

The one of Paletti being killed in Canada made me sicker. Both were bad but the one from 82 showed more. If you watch how frantic Peroni was and how he grabs a marshal and pushes him to the car. The guy was putting out the fire at the side of the road! Another marshal, the one trying to get Paletti out of the car had his foot on fire the whole time. Very distressing.

Yeah, I remember that accident very well (it was from the time I started to follow F1), but Paletti died on impact (Broke his neck). Bandini burned to death, screaming. At least we don't get those type of horrible accidents where the drivers suffer long these days. Matt

Yes as you can see in the video he never moved an inch. Not the kind of thing anyone really wants to see. > >The one of Paletti being killed in Canada made me sicker. Both were bad but > >the one from 82 showed more. If you watch how frantic Peroni was and how he > >grabs a marshal and pushes him to the car. The guy was putting out the fire > >at the side of the road! Another marshal, the one trying to get Paletti out > >of the car had his foot on fire the whole time. Very distressing. > Yeah, I remember that accident very well (it was from the time I started to > follow F1), but Paletti died on impact (Broke his neck). Bandini burned to > death, screaming. At least we don't get those type of horrible accidents > where the drivers suffer long these days. > Matt

I cant understand the mentality behind having footage of fatal crashes. It seems sick to me. Espesially the way the is a huge link for sennas crash, ive come across this stuff before and will never knowingly watch any crash that cost a life.

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> Those movies of Greg Moore's crash and Bandini's crash are really > horrible too see... damn, you even see Bandini getting pulled out of > the car, while still alive... > Andre > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:27:01 +0100, "paddock club" > >http://www.walk.to/formula1

Stanley was instrumental in setting up the GP Medical Centre, a mobile facility that attended every GP and major race in Britain and Europe and continues this day in a modified format. The photograph in his book is part of the chapter on the accidents that Louis actually attended and almost every picture in the book was taken by him. According to the details within, Bandini was DOA. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Unfortunately I haven't the book with me (lent to a friend) so cannot refresh my memory of what was written. Maybe you're correct but I have a very strong belief that Stanley actually states that Lorenzo died in the car. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... > He died 2-3 days after from is injuries.... -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Yes, Michael. That's the book and for those interested in that era, and BRM in particular, it is an excellent read. Louis (pronounced 'Lewis', not 'Loo-ee'...as he pointed out to a well-known driver once!) pulls no punches either....there are some controversial statements included. As a point of interest, BRMs greatest successes came when Louis Stanley was at the helm. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > Bruce, > Is the book you're talking about the following?: > Stanley, Louis T. > _Strictly off the record: Grand Prix controversy and > intrigue._ > London: Salamander, 1999. > Do you recommend the book? > Thanks, > Michael G. Lowery > > Unfortunately I haven't the book with me (lent to a friend) so cannot > > refresh my memory of what was written. Maybe you're correct but I have a > > very strong belief that Stanley actually states that Lorenzo died in the > > car. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > > THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD... > > > He died 2-3 days after from is injuries.... > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

You tell me.... I hear of a lot of people who only gained interest in F1-racing after 1st. May 1994. Perhaps it is the fine line between a casual observer of the sport or just a little more interest that keeps to your mind... I dunno. I wasn't one of them. Robert Gravel <[email hidden]> schreef in artikel <m3hn4.68$[email hidden]>... > And that Monaco GP was the first ever that I saw. It was on Wide Worldof > Sports, I was a kid, and its still fresh in my memory. Come to think ofit, > why is it that such an horrific, tragic and regrettable accident happenedon

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Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof of that. It must have been hell....

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> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash

And that Monaco GP was the first ever that I saw. It was on Wide World of Sports, I was a kid, and its still fresh in my memory. Come to think of it, why is it that such an horrific, tragic and regrettable accident happened on the same day that I discovered my most favourite sport, by far ? -- Robert Gravel http://pages.infinit.net/robertg/index.htm > Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof > of that. It must have been hell.... > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash

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> And that Monaco GP was the first ever that I saw. It was on Wide World of > Sports, I was a kid, and its still fresh in my memory. Come to think of it, > why is it that such an horrific, tragic and regrettable accident happened on > the same day that I discovered my most favourite sport, by far ? > -- > Robert Gravel > > http://pages.infinit.net/robertg/index.htm > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bf70b8$b4e28260$9a1140d4@martijnk... >> Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof >> of that. It must have been hell.... >> >> Vinci <[email hidden]> schreef in artikel >> <[email hidden]>... >>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" >>> <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>>> Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. >>>> Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of > it >>>> now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. >>> >>> Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash >> >> > >

I was 9 years old when I watched My first GP. It was in 1978 at Monza. I saw it on TV. It was one of the most horrifying things to see when I was 9 years old. It's not important when he died but how he died. As I look to those photo's I still see that black burning Lotus. Olaf

I asked an acquaintance for, and received tonight, some additional info regarding Lorenzo's accident and can advise that yes, he WAS "clinically alive" when Louis Stanley took that ghastly photo of him in the burnt car. The horrifying thing is that everyone thought he was dead and it wasn't until his "body" was being removed (just seconds after the picture was taken) that a spark of life was detected. Lorenzo never regained conciousness and died somewhere between two and three days after the incident. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I draw your attention once again to the photo in the Louis Stanley book. If > Lorenzo was alive when this was taken then such "life" must have been the > merest thread. Any crying and screaming was well and truly finished. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bf70b8$b4e28260$9a1140d4@martijnk... > > Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof > > of that. It must have been hell.... > > > > Vinci <[email hidden]> schreef in artikel > > <[email hidden]>... > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of > it > > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > > > > > Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I draw your attention once again to the photo in the Louis Stanley book. If Lorenzo was alive when this was taken then such "life" must have been the merest thread. Any crying and screaming was well and truly finished. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bf70b8$b4e28260$9a1140d4@martijnk... > Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof > of that. It must have been hell.... > > Vinci <[email hidden]> schreef in artikel > <[email hidden]>... > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > > > Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I draw your attention once again to the photo in the Louis Stanley book. If Lorenzo was alive when this was taken then such "life" must have been the merest thread. Any crying and screaming was well and truly finished. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > Correct, he was still alive, and his crying and screaming was sound proof > of that. It must have been hell.... > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:56 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" > > >Bandini was 100% DEAD before his body was removed from the Ferrari. > > >Get a copy of Louis Stanley's recent book (can't think of the name of it > > >now): it includes an horrific photo of Bandini's corpse in the car. > > Sure ? I always read that he died 3 days after the crash -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

When I first started watching GP racing in 1981, Gilles Villeneuve was my hero (I had seen his famous lap on 3 wheels at Zandvoort a couple of years earlier). Sadly he perished at the fifth race of the 82 season, at that point i knew something had been stolen from the sport and I still regret that accident ever happened. Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Lorenzo Bandini died three days after his accident (10/5/1967 Monte-carlo hospital, race was held on 7/5/67) but there was no chance of recovery for him as he was dreadfully charred and burnt (must have been hell) if the rescue team had been quicker who knows how his career would have turned out, he was definetly obne of the monaco masters. I am one of those people who became interested in not only f1 but motorsport in 1994 after Imola, this was the first motorsport i had seen (i was about 8 or 9) (i actually listened to the race bon the radio, i can remember what i was doing in the aftermath of the accident in detail, I onkly got the courage up to watch the crash about 6 months ago and refuse to see video's of fatal accidents, i did however see Neil Shanahans fatal accident at oulton park last year which has also had an effect on me. This had such a deep impact on me that ive watched f1 and motorsport eversince. Senna's death opened up F1 to even those who had not been interested in the sport at all. I put senna as my hero even though i have never seen him race. maybe i am just an emotional person i dont know. Rubinio Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I draw your attention once again to the photo in the Louis Stanley book.If

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> When I first started watching GP racing in 1981, Gilles > Villeneuve was my hero (I had seen his famous lap on 3 wheels at > Zandvoort a couple of years earlier). > Sadly he perished at the fifth race of the 82 season, at that > point i knew something had been stolen from the sport and I > still regret that accident ever happened. > Chris

I remember watching Villeneuve at Long Beach that year(on ABC's Wide World of Sports) and seeing him totally overcook a sharp corner at the end of a long straight. He did a 4 wheel lockup stop into the corner run-off without hitting any tires, then he does a reverse burnout and just makes a cloud of smoke, and somewhere inside that cloud he shifts into first gear and continues the pyrotechnics through the corner! I've been trying to emulate his driving style my entire *** life...and have the tickets to prove it!!! Who says kids aren't impressionable? Gary

Yep, Long Beach '82, I have the 1982 season review video (along with all the others!), and Clive James' commentary on that race in particular is brilliant :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

The first GP I ever watched was Monaco '86. I knew nothing about F1, and only tuned in after urging from school friends, but was hooked at once. When I read some back copies of Motor Sport I'd been lent, there was one man who fascinated me, and who I really wanted to see go to the top. I shouted for him all through the race (until he retired on about lap 30). "Never mind," I thought. "He'll come back stronger in Belgium". His name was Elio de Angelis. What a stupid, disgraceful loss. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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> I think you are referring to the battle he was having with > Rosberg in the normally aspirated Williams, Villenueve in the > Ferrari would blast past the Willaims on the Straight and > Rosberg would muscle his way back through the twisty sections, > until GV was a bit too late on the brakes and caused the > incident mentioned above. > Chris

I wonder if Rosberg did one of his infamous "brake tests" on Villenueve. Gary

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> Apparently, Gilles drove road cars this way, too. In Professor Sid > Watkins' interesting book, "Triumph and Tragedy in Formula One", he > describes a time when he was a passenger in a rental car driven by > Villeneuve. Villeneuve's wife lay down on the floor in the back seat in > sheer terror (and she supposedly did this every time she rode with Gilles). > Watkins said that Villeneuve returned the rental car a couple of days later > and it was a complete wreck.

Thats a great story. I'll definately look for the book! Thanks, Gary

I remember an tribute in "Grand Prix International" magazine shortly after Gilles death. It went into detail about his "leisure" vehicles. From what I remember it was quite a brilliant and moving piece of journalism. I might still have that magazine, I'm going to visit my parents later this year so if my Mum hasn't thrown all my old racing mags out I will find it and put it up on the web somewhere if anyone is interested. Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Hi Chris, I would most definately be interested in getting a copy of that article. I hope you can find it! Gary Chris Bloom wrote:

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> > I remember an tribute in "Grand Prix International" magazine > shortly after Gilles death. It went into detail about > his "leisure" vehicles. From what I remember it was quite a > brilliant and moving piece of journalism. I might still have > that magazine, I'm going to visit my parents later this year so > if my Mum hasn't thrown all my old racing mags out I will find > it and put it up on the web somewhere if anyone is interested. > > Chris > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!