LeMans 24hrs aint no SIM, but it's FUN!

Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car accurately.... But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive the cars! I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. Lol SpeedFreek

Sure non-sims (everything but GPL??) can be fun, but is this a N3 non-sim or a SOS '37 non-sim? Most seem to think it's a lot closer to SOS '37 (or Test Drive 5) than the other end of the spectrum. Marc.

Nearer to N3 than SOS '37 definitely! I would put it just below TOCA2, but way above NFS or Test Drive! It is more "realistic" than the original GranTourismo, because the cars performance degrades after abuse! Lol SpeedFreek >Sure non-sims (everything but GPL??) can be fun, but is this a N3 non-sim or >a SOS '37 non-sim? Most seem to think it's a lot closer to SOS '37 (or Test

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>Drive 5) than the other end of the spectrum. >Marc. >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car >> accurately.... >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive >> the cars! >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. >> Lol SpeedFreek

Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1 or prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night (after I sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put it all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. Andi.

On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0000, said person(s) Indycar, Indycar 2, NASCAR, NASCAR 2, NASCAR 3, Sports Car GT, MGPR, Soda, DTR, need I go on? Umm.. I don't like GPL.. so that idea is ummm... wrong. And figure out that sex on a washing machine at full cycle really is pretty damn cool. And take 2 Prozacs and stand upside down in your chair. No, the above line should read... "Go out there and hold the joystick as if you were actually going to get to drive the thing" Ohhh buddy.. I tell you.. A moving sun is THE thing I look for in a racing sim. I can get the same effect by taking a flashlight and staring into it while it's on. LOL! Where? Oh, you mean when you rub against the velcro walls? ...and it sure aint no fun neither. You are definitely the target group they were looking for. Let's see.. gas, brake, steering wheel.. No stop the insanity.. too many variables.. Paradox, Paradox, Paradox! With Trojan Gold sensitive you get about 33% more sensitivity. Speedfreek, the fact remains. they should not have advertised the game being a sim that has the most accurate physics model "unsurpassed" by any other sim. hell, NASCAR Revolution has better physics model than this total piece of cow dung. - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever Techware Motorsports http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

It's more of a Grand Turismo non-sim. It's FAR better than SoS '37, and I really can't compare it to N3. N3 is a sim which fails to be a really great sim like GPL is, Lemans doesn't pretend to be a sim. It's an arcade game, it's presented as an arcade game, and it plays like an arcade game. But a damn good arcade game. But they really should remove the 'real world physics' hype from their site, that's simply not true. Andre On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:39:42 GMT, "Marc Collins"

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>Sure non-sims (everything but GPL??) can be fun, but is this a N3 non-sim or >a SOS '37 non-sim? Most seem to think it's a lot closer to SOS '37 (or Test >Drive 5) than the other end of the spectrum. >Marc. >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car >> accurately.... >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive >> the cars! >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. >> Lol SpeedFreek

Try the bumper vieuw, that's a lot more fun, gives you a much better feel of speed. The lack of multiplayer is a real shame indeed. Andre On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:15:41 -0000, "Andi Cole"

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>Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1 or >prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night (after I >sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console >crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put it >all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. >Andi. >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car >> accurately.... >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive >> the cars! >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. >> Lol SpeedFreek

Hmmm I'm being flamed for expressing an opinion. I said nothing offensive, but here I am having the***taken out of me......

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>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0000, said person(s) >>Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >>what other racing "game" IS realistic? >Indycar, Indycar 2, NASCAR, NASCAR 2, NASCAR 3, Sports Car GT, MGPR, >Soda, DTR, need I go on?

Nascar3? realistic? Hahahahah!!! ROTFL!!! My 8 year old nephew can handle Nascar3!!!! No way is Nascar 3 realistic! MGPR???? The tracks have no camber!! And very little elevation. The cars do NOT handle at all realistically... the way the setups affect the car handling is dubious to say the least.... okay so both these "games" are a little more accurate than LeMans, But they sure aint realistic. I have no experience of the other titles, so I cannot comment on how realistic they are, although Ive never heard SCGT being referred to as an accurate simulation either. So yes, you do need to go on, and find a REALISTIC sim apart from GPL. Nevertheless, GPL DOES have the most accurate physics of any racing sim. So people HAVE been spoiled by it. Now it seems nothing less will do. (Unless you include games like Nascar3, which are a LOT less accurate than GPL!) So that idea is NOT wrong. Whatever turns you on eh? Now you are just talking nonsense. Well, if you are gonna be like that then NOTHING is as accurate as doing it for real..... doh!!! BTW, most racers use a steering wheel, not a joystick, as joysticks aint REALISTIC. So Im not allowed to point out anything about the way the game looks? Oh, the irony! The sarcasm! I'm cut to the bone here. Maybe try using a high powered Laser beam next time. Your tyres go off if you lean on them too much.. you lose power from the engine and eventually blow it up if you don't "watch those gauges". Where? THERE!!!!! Fun = light hearted entertainment. You obviously like your fun REAL SERIOUS. HAHAHAH!!!! You picked the wrong man to level that one at!!! I am a well known GPL online racer, right from when GPL came out. You don't like GPL? Scared of a REAL sim eh? I'm not. I like a little light hearted entertainment now and then (Le Mans), but I am a die-hard GPL nutter, and we all know just how hard GPL is, don't we...... Ahh... an attempt at *** humour.. anyone laughing? Yes, this is true, I have to admit.. the first level headed thing you said in the whole mail so far... Yup. I said the physics werent accurate right from the off... i.e. see the subject heading of my mail.... my point was that accuracy isn't always required for a game to be enjoyed.... have you addressed this point at all??? NO!!! SpeedFreek

>Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1 or >prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night (after I >sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console >crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put it >all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. The GT2 cars are at least 3-5 seconds a lap slower than the GT1 cars. The "internal" view is the bonnet cam. Or the bumper cam. Only a fool would drive using the "behind" view! No multiplayer IS crap, it's true. Lots of games have no multiplayer, but are still fun. 10 minutes? An in depth trial then?

> GPL has spoiled us by giving us the most accurate physics yet > and to be honest, I only need 1 game like that. I mean, it's > taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I just don't have > the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car > accurately.... I would say then that you are missing the point. Once you master a realistic simulation there should be very little in the way of 'retraining' necessary to master another sim of equal quality. The laws of physics themselves are after all immutable. Different simulations will of course model those laws in different fashions, but as the accuracy of simulations increase the differences between any two simulations decrease until the simulations themself become immutable. Do you really think A.J Foyt, Dan Gurney, or Mario Andretti really had to sit down and think hard about the differences between driving a stock car, an open wheel car, and a sports car? They were (well are if Andretti does indeed return to Le Mans this year) drivers, the have mastered the art of driving. Isn't that the goal of simulation racing as well? - George

Okay, you got me! In my case it's actually learning how to set up the GPL cars for my style that has taken all the time, not learning to drive them. And the other problem is how simulations convey the attitude of the car to the driver. You can't feel the car through your ***like in a real car, so the sim has to convey everything through sight and sound alone. This means that racing simulations may end up being harder to learn than real cars!! ;-) So learning how to find the limit in a new sim is less instinctive than in real life! Hehe.. so now I can drive GPL, does that mean I can drive any sim? It probably does, but with each new sim it's a case of finding out how to set up the car to be fastest that takes all the effort... (except for Nascar3, one of the few sims to give you decent setups to begin with!) Maybe what I meant was that I can't be bothered spending all the time it takes to get up to speed... I thought I knew how to drive racing sims before GPL came along, but it has shocked me how hard it is to go really fast in GPL. It's like I got up to 95% speed in the first 3 months, and the other 5% has taken 9 months! (Ouch!) And I'm still not fast enough.... Good point well made though, George. From Lol SpeedFreek

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>> GPL has spoiled us by giving us the most accurate physics yet >> and to be honest, I only need 1 game like that. I mean, it's >> taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, I just don't have >> the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car >> accurately.... >I would say then that you are missing the point. Once you >master a realistic simulation there should be very little in >the way of 'retraining' necessary to master another sim >of equal quality. The laws of physics themselves are >after all immutable. Different simulations will of course >model those laws in different fashions, but as the accuracy >of simulations increase the differences between any two >simulations decrease until the simulations themself become >immutable. >Do you really think A.J Foyt, Dan Gurney, or Mario Andretti >really had to sit down and think hard about the differences >between driving a stock car, an open wheel car, and a sports >car? They were (well are if Andretti does indeed return to >Le Mans this year) drivers, the have mastered the art of >driving. Isn't that the goal of simulation racing as well? > - George

How do you get the bumper view? I can find nothing that tells you how to. Andi.

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> Try the bumper vieuw, that's a lot more fun, gives you a much better > feel of speed. > The lack of multiplayer is a real shame indeed. > Andre > On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:15:41 -0000, "Andi Cole" > >Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1

or > >prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night (after I > >sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console > >crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put it

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> >all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. > >Andi. > >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, > >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving > >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game > >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL,

I > >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car > >> accurately.... > >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all > >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the > >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real

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> >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! > >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is > >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of > >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive > >> the cars! > >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. > >> Lol SpeedFreek

How do you get to the bumber view? Andi.

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> Try the bumper vieuw, that's a lot more fun, gives you a much better > feel of speed. > The lack of multiplayer is a real shame indeed. > Andre > On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:15:41 -0000, "Andi Cole" > >Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1

or > >prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night (after I > >sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console > >crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put it

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> >all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. > >Andi. > >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, > >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving > >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game > >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL,

I > >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing car > >> accurately.... > >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all > >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the > >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real

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> >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! > >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is > >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of > >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive > >> the cars! > >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. > >> Lol SpeedFreek

In the controller options screen under define controllers you set a button/key to change views with... there are 3 views.. behind, bonnet and bumper (well, more like front of bonnet if you ask me!)

In the joystick calibration screen, I assigned the view cam to one of my firebuttons. Andre On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:46:16 -0000, "Andi Cole"

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>How do you get the bumper view? I can find nothing that tells you how to. >Andi. >> Try the bumper vieuw, that's a lot more fun, gives you a much better >> feel of speed. >> The lack of multiplayer is a real shame indeed. >> Andre >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:15:41 -0000, "Andi Cole" >> >Fun!!! how can a game be fun with no multiplayer, GT2 cars as fast as GT1 >or >> >prototype, and no internal veiw. I played for 10 minutes last night >(after I >> >sorted calibrating my FF wheel) driving from behind the car (a la console >> >crap) and when I read that the multiplayer code had been left off, I put >it >> >all back in the box ready for Postman Pat on Monday to take it back. >> >Andi. >> >> Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >> >> what other racing "game" IS realistic? GPL has spoiled us by giving >> >> us the most accurate physics yet and to be honest, I only need 1 game >> >> like that. I mean, it's taken me a year to get half proficient at GPL, >I >> >> just don't have the time to "learn" to drive another class of racing >car >> >> accurately.... >> >> But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! Forget all >> >> the concentration needed for GPL, just go out there and drive the >> >> thing! Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is >real >> >> cool. You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! >> >> Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is >> >> implemented quite well. LeMans sure aint no sim, but there's a lot of >> >> fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive >> >> the cars! >> >> I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. >> >> Lol SpeedFreek

Hehe, a very good point. Given a choice, I'd rather feel FF in my ***and back than in the wheel. Of course, the easier part of learning to drive a sim is that we can crash them without regard. No pain or hosptal bills, and no half million dollar replacement costs. Slot

>How do you get the bumper view? I can find nothing that tells you how to. >Andi. Press F1 a few times. -- * rrev at mindspring dot com * http://www.cabal.net * http://www.sputum.com

Your point is true but it's not the problem here. If they market a game as a pure-arcade game, and target it to the correct focus market, nobody would be reviewing it. After a week, we would all have forgotten it. Just another arcade game. We have nothing against them. Some of them are really fun and ***ive. BUT They producing and developing company has marketed and hyped the title as a serious racing simulator. Some press release focused on realistic game physics, "better than any product on the market". Hence they targeted it to serious racing simulator fans, who bought it thinking it would be realistic. And it was not. This has happened so much in the last year, it's getting worse and worse. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I bet a lot of people have been hanged in your country then. Doesn't allmost EVERY game have quotes like 'SUPERB GRAPHICS', 'EXCITING GAMEPLAY' and 'BETTER THAN CATS!' on the box and their website? Andre On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:18:25 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" >In this country it would be reason for legal action under the false >advertising laws.

Dear James I'm reading this newsgroup to try to find some useful opinions on Le Mans 24Hr before I buy it (or not). If you haven't got anything useful, constructive or even just "mature" to say then please SHUT THE *** UP you ***.

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>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0000, said person(s) >>Okay, so LeMans 24hrs aint a realistic simulation. Apart from GPL, >>what other racing "game" IS realistic? >Indycar, Indycar 2, NASCAR, NASCAR 2, NASCAR 3, Sports Car GT, MGPR, >Soda, DTR, need I go on? >>GPL has spoiled us... >Umm.. I don't like GPL.. so that idea is ummm... wrong. >>But, LeMans is great fun once you sort out the calibration! >And figure out that sex on a washing machine at full cycle really is >pretty damn cool. >>Forget all >>the concentration needed for GPL, >And take 2 Prozacs and stand upside down in your chair. >>just go out there and drive the >>thing! >No, the above line should read... >"Go out there and hold the joystick as if you were actually going to >get to drive the thing" >>Its a great blast, and the changing light as the sun moves is real >>cool. >Ohhh buddy.. I tell you.. A moving sun is THE thing I look for in a >racing sim. >>You get that feeling of being blinded by the low sun at dawn too! >I can get the same effect by taking a flashlight and staring into it >while it's on. >>Also, you have to drive to conserve your tyres and engine, and this is >>implemented quite well. >LOL! Where? >Oh, you mean when you rub against the velcro walls? >>LeMans sure aint no sim, >...and it sure aint no fun neither. >>but there's a lot of >>fun to be had without the 'hassle' of spending a year learning to drive >>the cars! >You are definitely the target group they were looking for. >Let's see.. gas, brake, steering wheel.. No stop the insanity.. too >many variables.. Paradox, Paradox, Paradox! >>I found approx 25% sensitivity works well. >With Trojan Gold sensitive you get about 33% more sensitivity. >>Lol SpeedFreek >Speedfreek, the fact remains. they should not have advertised the game >being a sim that has the most accurate physics model "unsurpassed" by >any other sim. >hell, NASCAR Revolution has better physics model than this total piece >of cow dung. >- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever >Techware Motorsports >http://techware.gtinsider.com >Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:09:47 -0000, said person(s) hey marc... make me - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

Your spelling isn't very good is it?

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>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:09:47 -0000, said person(s) >>Dear James >>I'm reading this newsgroup to try to find some useful opinions on Le Mans >>24Hr before I buy it (or not). >>If you haven't got anything useful, constructive or even just "mature" to >>say then please SHUT THE *** UP you ***. >hey marc... make me >- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever >Techware Computer Services >http://techware.gtinsider.com >Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:37:22 -0000, said person(s)

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>Your spelling isn't very good is it? >>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:09:47 -0000, said person(s) >>>Dear James >>>I'm reading this newsgroup to try to find some useful opinions on Le Mans >>>24Hr before I buy it (or not). >>>If you haven't got anything useful, constructive or even just "mature" to >>>say then please SHUT THE *** UP you ***. >>hey marc... make me

Dearest Marcie Poo, (That better?) Is tho thee same Marc that electronically messaged myself a few fleeting moments ago with filth pouring from thee electronic mail? Did I get all my punctuation right this time? Can you read it now? Do I need some one to translate it for you? Are you that anal-retentive that some one not agreeing with you causes you to go postal? Oh, and if you are the British guy that got upset because I said British Commentary in my review, "postal" means picking up a gun and killing anyone in sight. Glad I could be of service. Love Always, Gunslinger-Poo - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

And I was affraid I would be the only one who liked it.... what a relief, now there's two of us :) Oh wait, all the guys who wrote that they didn't like it haven't actually played it yet. Maybe they'll change their minds once they actually gave it a try... Andre

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OK, come on James admit it - you just don't like it do you?! Andrew ;~))

....although you would have to wonder to why a driver of obvious talent like Zinardi has struggled so much when moving from one type of open wheeler to another. Just a thought. Andrew.

pressing 'insert'... CU Zolli

Heh, forget ALL the pre-release hype! All we can go on is what is printed on the game-box!! And there is NO mention of the most accurate physics ever on the box, so there is nothing to complain about... This is what is says on the box.... Arcade, Championship and Le Mans modes, with round the clock racing, night time driving and realistic lighting effects. The full 24 Heures du Mans experience, officially liscensed from the A.C.O, organisers of the race. 8 spectacular 3-D, photo-realistic tracks. Le Mans Mode featuring real-time 24 hours racing option. A true physics racing model complete with ultra realistic AI. True to life handling, with each of the GT1, GT2 and Prototype cars tuned according to te manufacturers technical data. All the teams featured are authentic Le Mans competitors. That's ALL it says on the box... comments?

First of all, hype is not something that is found only on a box. It's found in press release, previews they send to *** website. Those same websites who will promote it as serious because it's a tight situation (they won't refuse of course). It's found in the promotion they do via advertising. It's done also when they go to conventions and expositions and hype their product. The box is only one of the X number of way to false hype the customer and misled them. So here, pushing the edge of semantics and truth with the usage of the word "true". pushing the edge of semantics and truth with the usage of the word "true". I doubt they used technical data to create their "true" to life handling. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:37:22 -0000, said person(s) >>Your spelling isn't very good is it? >>>On the following date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:09:47 -0000, said person(s) >>>>Dear James >>>>I'm reading this newsgroup to try to find some useful opinions on Le

Mans >>>>24Hr before I buy it (or not). >>>>If you haven't got anything useful, constructive or even just "mature" to

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>>>>say then please SHUT THE *** UP you ***. >>>hey marc... make me >Dearest Marcie Poo, (That better?) >Is tho thee same Marc that electronically messaged myself a few >fleeting moments ago with filth pouring from thee electronic mail? >Did I get all my punctuation right this time? >Can you read it now? >Do I need some one to translate it for you? >Are you that anal-retentive that some one not agreeing with you causes >you to go postal? >Oh, and if you are the British guy that got upset because I said >British Commentary in my review, "postal" means picking up a gun and >killing anyone in sight. >Glad I could be of service. >Love Always, >Gunslinger-Poo >- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever >Techware Computer Services >http://techware.gtinsider.com >Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

On the following date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:45:52 -0000, said person(s) Twas what I thought. James "Gunslinger" Wohlever | | +---()|/|\|()---+ \./ Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com

Real world physics as a "trade description" is a bit open-ended. I'm sure having G= 9.8 ms-2 is enough. Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

>And I was affraid I would be the only one who liked it.... >what a relief, now there's two of us :) >Oh wait, all the guys who wrote that they didn't like it haven't >actually played it yet. Maybe they'll change their minds once they >actually gave it a try... I do kind a like it. It's very good in the area of Flags, changing weather, etc... however Setup is real weakness Drivign just doens't feel anywhere near right. It's all just a bit arcadey that said, i don't think in a 24 hr race i could bear a too realistic a car anyway :) It's not a bad game, no, it's does have some nice features... the driver career progression is a good feature. It's be a lot better with a more TOCA2 physics system (not gpl... it would be too damn hard over a 2-3 hour stint), with more setup options. oh, and a***pit view. Why no***pit view? "Realhelmet" view nee Rally Champ/TOCA2 Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

OK, fun over. All that stupid ranting of mine wasn't very stylish, outrageously over-the-top and totally undeserved. Please accept my sincere apologies.

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>On the following date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:45:52 -0000, said person(s) >><yawn> >Twas what I thought. > James "Gunslinger" Wohlever > | | > +---()|/|\|()---+ > \./ > Techware > Computer > Services >http://techware.gtinsider.com

On the following date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:05:24 -0000, said person(s) No problem. I too acted childish. No hard feelings. :) - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:

James Wohlever skrev i meldingen ... Hey guys, stop it!! You're being (hold breath and curse) *nice people* here!! Shaaaaameee!!!! :-) mk

Moreover, this business of making all three formulae roughly the same speed has put this to rest once and for all. This is a (very) good arcade game. Nothing more. Jeff