OK, FF is essential for GPL but...

...which racing wheel should I get?? The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? or ??? BTW: PC Player (German Mag) reviewed DX wheels (MS and Saitek) and I-Force W. (Logitech?) . I.-Force draws 15 percent of the CPU and DX wheels only 5 percent... Are todays I-Force drivers better? Lutz -- Home: [link lost in import]

Lutz, you're going to get about a 50/50 split on opinion on the question of MSFF vs. Logitech. Really, and with respect, go out a buy one of them from place where you can return it for the other. You're losing a lot of valuable racing time casting about for opinions all the time! Regards, Kurt

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>...which racing wheel should I get?? >The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? >or ??? >BTW: PC Player (German Mag) reviewed DX wheels (MS and Saitek) >and I-Force W. (Logitech?) . >I.-Force draws 15 percent of the CPU and DX wheels only 5 percent... >Are todays I-Force drivers better? >Lutz >-- >Home: [link lost in import]

Totally agree, though I have to add that I don't understand the issue on framerate decrease, I have a MSFF wheel and I don't have any framerate problems... Flatliner > Lutz, you're going to get about a 50/50 split on opinion on the question of > MSFF vs. Logitech. > Really, and with respect, go out a buy one of them from place where you can

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> return it for the other. You're losing a lot of valuable racing time > casting about for opinions all the time! > Regards, > Kurt > >...which racing wheel should I get?? > >The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? > >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), > >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? > >or ??? > >BTW: PC Player (German Mag) reviewed DX wheels (MS and Saitek) > >and I-Force W. (Logitech?) . > >I.-Force draws 15 percent of the CPU and DX wheels only 5 percent... > >Are todays I-Force drivers better? > >Lutz > >-- > >Home: [link lost in import]

In the UK at least, its not necessarily a given that the shop will allow you to do this (take the wheel back and swap it that is). My experience is that PC World are fairly helpful, but expect more of a fight in Dixons / Currys or Comet. (This based on painful experience) In an earlier post, I suggested a FAQ for FF wheels that might allow information to be gathered together to provide a useful resource. For my part, I'm not convinced that it is worth 100 to have a wheel that systematically shakes itself to bits - my trusty TM sprint manages that on its own.

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> Lutz, you're going to get about a 50/50 split on opinion on the question of > MSFF vs. Logitech. > Really, and with respect, go out a buy one of them from place where you can > return it for the other. You're losing a lot of valuable racing time > casting about for opinions all the time! > Regards, > Kurt > >...which racing wheel should I get?? > >The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? > >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), > >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? > >or ??? > >BTW: PC Player (German Mag) reviewed DX wheels (MS and Saitek) > >and I-Force W. (Logitech?) . > >I.-Force draws 15 percent of the CPU and DX wheels only 5 percent... > >Are todays I-Force drivers better? > >Lutz > >-- > >Home: [link lost in import]

-- Steven

I would have to recomend the Act Labs Force RS over both the MSFF and the Logitech. I know everybody has an opinion, but I have tried all 3 and I think the Force RS is way ahead of the other FF wheels on the market right now. If for no other reason, it certainly feels more durable than the rest, and it seems to have a much stronger motor. IMHO Brett >...which racing wheel should I get?? >The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)?

Many of the fastest drivers in the world use non FF and even cheap joysticks. As for me I'm sticking with a TM pro because it works fine. I will switch someday.... JM

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> ...which racing wheel should I get?? > The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? > The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), > but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? > or ??? > BTW: PC Player (German Mag) reviewed DX wheels (MS and Saitek) > and I-Force W. (Logitech?) . > I.-Force draws 15 percent of the CPU and DX wheels only 5 percent... > Are todays I-Force drivers better? > Lutz > -- > Home: [link lost in import]

>The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? The MS wheel is slower (more CPU cycles) though not nearly as bad as the Thrustmaster wheel. The Logitech wheel is a thing of beauty, first rate work there. The pedals are solid enough (haven't hear of any braking) but have weak springs and limited travel - they are fine once you get used to them. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

The misconception on framerate hit on MSFF is outdated now. With the new directX7a drivers, the CPU hits are almost nill (maybe 2 FPS tops). The outdate information everyone is reading is old news before the latest driver release. I would still think logitech has it over MSFF on CPU load since it is USB but no more than 1 FPS. If you have the system like you should have , computer, then by all means, forget the FF wheel and buy a better computer!! PasssedYa

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> >The MS FF (somebody told me that it slows GPL down alot)? > >The Logitech FF (sombody told me the pedals are ***(broke soon), > >but it takes not so much CPU cycles away)? > The MS wheel is slower (more CPU cycles) though not nearly as bad as > the Thrustmaster wheel. > The Logitech wheel is a thing of beauty, first rate work there. The > pedals are solid enough (haven't hear of any braking) but have weak > springs and limited travel - they are fine once you get used to them. > Joe McGinn > _________________________ > GA-Sports Writer > http://www.ga-sports.com/

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Hi! Babi Pangang schrieb: How fast ist your PC (CPU)?? . Do you have a Voodoo3? What about driving with the MSFF switching off FF (in case I don`t like it in GPL). Do you have the same handling as with a no FF Wheel (f.a. the MS Precision Wheel) Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Hi Robert! Robert Jordan schrieb:

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> The misconception on framerate hit on MSFF is outdated now. With the new > directX7a drivers, the CPU hits are almost nill (maybe 2 FPS tops). The > outdate information everyone is reading is old news before the latest > driver release. > I would still think logitech has it over MSFF on CPU load since it is USB > but no more than 1 FPS. If you have the system like you should have , > computer, then by all means, forget the FF wheel and buy a better > computer!!

My Hardware: Asus TX97 AMD K6-2 400 Matrox Millennium II Diamond Monster Voodoo1 32 MB SD SB 16 Do you think it`s fast enough for the MS FF+GPL? BTW: How is the MS FF connected to the PC? My old SB16 has IMHO no midi port if needed... Do they have also a USB MS FF Wheel? BTW2: What about driving with the MSFF switching off FF (in case I don`t like it in GPL). Do you have the same handling as with a normal Wheel (f.a. the MS Precision Wheel)? Thanks! Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Kurt Steinbock schrieb: Which place would take it back after 2 Laps at the Nordschleife? :-) Lutz -- Home: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/8059/

Just do yourself a favor and buy the Logitech. It's a better wheel than the MSFF. It's USB, it doesn't require much from your CPU, and it's solidly built. The wheel on the Logitech is so much better than the wheel on the Microsoft, the only drawback are the pedals, they take time to get used to. "> My Hardware: